Reduced Buck Limit Passes for 2024?
West Virginia
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Surprised this has not been mentioned yet?
Should have happened years ago…
Ok so someone explain how this is going to work? Is a bowhunter still allowed to buy extra tags and harvest 2 bucks then he/she is done buck hunting for the year?
Or are you only allowed to take 1 with archery and 1 with gun /muzzleloader?
I believe it's the same as before just that it's 2 instead of 3 now for some. So you can take 2 bucks anyway you would like. Myself living in the cwd area - I can still harvest 3 bucks. I believe Senior lifetime license holders are exempt from the new limit as well and can still harvest 3.
2 bucks seems reasonable to me, who needs to take more that that. A doe contains meat too. Some states also only allow a non-resident to only take 1 buck.
All this for crossbows.
“There’s change coming! You can bet on it!”
The exact words of our resident commissioner. That he deleted. Along with all his other posts.
I’m fine with it as long as there’s opportunity for two weapons. I just find it ironic that we get crossbows. Which are proving to be much more deadly than vertical bows. I was wrong about that. But, the point is let’s put more heat on bucks when they are more vulnerable. That’s a good trade off isn’t it. A written law saying you gotta stop will keep everything in check. Like it always has.
What’s a senior lifetime license holder? Someone who buys his lifetime license after a certain age or one that may have bought it 30 years ago but has to wait until a certain age to kill 3 bucks? I must say I was wrong. I did not think that would pass due to the loss of income. The state does have more money now so that may play into it
The lost revenue by reducing the buck limit was never discussed by those bent on getting it reduced. At least there was nothing discussed here that I remember.
Considering the politicing and that a main player or three in the movement are regular contributors to WV bowsite, I’d thought we’d heard about it.
The dnr will struggle until they get legislative help in higher license fees and tags. It’s gotta come from somewhere.
Never discussed by who? Who didn't discuss revenue loss? That's my question.
Also, projected revenue loss was extrapolated by years without revenue loss. You simply can't use 1995 revenue to predict anything.
Here's revenue totals when we went to a two buck limit.
1994 sales. 13,209,619 1995 sales. 13,283,705
Also..... Sportsman license sales also increased
However, additional tags sales did go down but the DNR saw no net decrease in revenue.
It's harder to struggle with high Marcellus shale payments and a 60 million plus endowment.
Yes, license increases are coming. That's what happens when they haven't been raised since 2005. I'll gladly pay more.
All this for crossbows?
“There’s change coming! You can bet on it!”
Was your quote of another person his statement in regards to crossbows or a lower buck limit?
Really not cool to cherry pick a quote without the context in which it was said.
And if change needs to happen with crossbows then so be it. The president of WVBA said the very same thing was coming in the future.
In all the bickering back and forth on this subject, no one on the buck limit side seemed concerned about lost revenue with less buck tags sold. Not to mention, If revenue were so good, why do master degree and better dnr employees make what a Walmart cashier makes?
I’m not cherry picking anything. It’s what Greg claimed on one of the many threads discussing a lower buck limit.
Who said I was against license increase? You must have missed the thousand times I’ve said increase them.
Why are you so confused? This is what you’ve worked so hard for. It isn’t new news. Or news at all really. It’s just the way it is.
Nothing biologically was used to push it. Revenue surely wasn’t a concern. Nothing concerned you, Greg, or anyone else hell bent on changing the buck limit. It was a one way street. At any cost. From the continued insinuations down to the bubba talk describing anyone who didn’t see it the same. Because you rationalize different doesn’t change anything.
Revenue loss is minimum. Roughly the equivalent of losing a penny from $2.00. So, it was never a great concern of mine since it has such minimal effect. It was even less of a concern for me once I looked at the 1994 and 1995 annual report from WVDNR.
Nobody said you were against a license increase.
I'm not confused.
Saying nothing biologically was used to push the limit reduction simply isn't true.
What doesn't change is life goes on. The reduction will hopefully work. It's what happened. I promise it's not the end of the world, the end of anybody's heritage, or the end of ones ability to feed their family since the total limit is still the same
Enjoy the hunt.
Well I have a lifetime license so I can still kill 3 bucks if I want to. I never do the does eat just as well. Brown it’s down
Well I have a lifetime license so I can still kill 3 bucks if I want to. I never do the does eat just as well. Brown it’s down
Well nothing biologically was used? ummm not for sure if there was any hardcore proof that backed up any of your theories or observations.
Just a lot of stuff was left out of some the points that those who favored lowering the limit said or maybe fibbed a little bit on. One was saying that our biologist report (I believe you all call - the white paper) said that lowering the limit would cause no harm. Well actually they did say lowering the limit wouldn't bring about the results that you wanted and could have such effects as habitat degradation - resulting in the opposite of what your theories are promoting. I think they said the only thing that lowering the limit would do was give some of you the PERCEPTION that something was being done.
And yes it has caused the end of some heritage - heck I know quite a few people who have stated they are not going to plan to go to their camps for muzzleloading season and hunt other states now.
I agree life goes on - it's what happened - but this statement from you sort of concerns me now - "The reduction will HOPEFULLY work" -- Sorry I thought for years you all told us without a doubt it will work.
I dont see that it matters a lot , Very few hunters killed 3 bucks anyway right
LOL the opportunity to hunt 3 or 4 seasons has been taken away and your right hardly anyone killed 3 bucks - it wasn’t an issue that needed dealt with.
Those armchair biologist know it all though. LOL well HOPEFULLY they do! LOL
So If I am understanding this right you can still that 3 bucks in the CWD areas. That makes up a lot of the eastern Panhandle. So really no changes there.
The opportunity to hunt three or four seasons has NOT been taken away!
Jayd,
This answer is copied from someone else but 100% addresses your concerns.
The net result of lowering the limit should actually be improvements in herd performance and LESS habitat degradation.
Of course, this would assume there are ample opportunities allowed to kill female deer. If not, the attributed statement reeks of misguided "buck only" deer management.
Ongoing deer populations are almost totally controlled by the doe harvest. The only way there could be habitat degradation would be via too many deer for the habitat. The "professional" prescription for this is to INCREASE the DOE Harvest.
Ironically, reducing the buck limit is often a "prescription" for increasing the doe harvest. Many areas in Tennessee and other states, even have "earn-a-buck" criteria FORCING the harvest of a female deer BEFORE a single buck tag is issued to the hunter.
Most hunters today have a "practical" limit of "harvesting" somewhere between 1 and 4 deer annually. They simply do not have the time, willingness, nor the resources to "mess" with the dragging out & processing of any more deer than that in any one year.
I suspect close to half all deer hunters today are "one & done" annually, in that once they kill "a" deer, they're done deer hunting until the next year.
At this same time, most hunters prefer to kill bucks over does, and so long as the buck limit is the same as their "practical" limit, many hunters will simply shoot a buck, any buck, every time instead of shooting a doe. This is perhaps the main reason "earn-a-buck" can so very quickly & dramatically reduce deer populations (even though fewer bucks get killed, more doe get killed).
IMO, the ONLY way in which there should be concern of habitat degradation (after reducing a buck limit from 3 to 2) would be more due to biologically UN-SOUND deer management under which there simply is not enough doe-harvest opportunities for the hunters.
Someone is a tad worried more about your biologist misguiding you.
Assuming reasonably ok deer management, going from a 3 to a 2-buck limit should not make any huge difference. It's just that those differences should be in the opposite direction from what you were told. The long-term TRENDING of this rather small "carburetor" adjustment are likely to make a noteworthy difference for the better (in terms of herd health) over time, like several years from now.
Sound familiar?
Who is it from? What was their research to come up with this because research from PA and NY doesn’t jive with what this person is saying.
Why is it very few hunters kill 3 bucks ? They buy the extra tags correct Could it be the bucks are not there to kill ? i know here in Mason co the ratio is 6 to 1 maybe more in some areas .
Why is it that the majority of hunters don’t even kill 1 buck?
And again yes heritage was taken away by this decision.
And again the response quoted from SOMEONE just shows more of their wrongful opinions and nothing based on the facts or real research. Loved that the person brought up Tennessee - LOL - since they lowered their buck limit - the doe harvested has went down and not up! When you look at the 8 year average from before the limit reduction to after lowering the buck limit- it’s went down by an average of 8,000 antlerless per year!
The research from PA and NY stated that a buck reduction plan has shown no effect on the harvesting of does and those studies also said there was no influence on breeding by deer as well - such as your whopper that there will be a more intense and shorter rut! All things that you all said will happen there is just no evidence that it will happen!
Oh and let’s not forget that since TN reduced their limit, their trophy entrees to the deer registry has went down! LOL Maybe as hunters let’s look at the facts and not misguided opinions from the armchair biologist here who wanted us to follow the example of a state (TN) whose trophy entrees has dropped and are only about half the yearly amount of WV Big Buck entrees even though TN is about twice our size. Oh and as stated above their antlerless harvest decreased instead of increased like we were told by some that it would.
Jay d , What heritage has been taken away ?
For some it’s the opportunity to hunt bucks all 4 seasons — for others it the opportunity to hunt the late season. Again I know quite a few people who are already planning to hunt other states now. I will never buy a tag again in WV - I will either use my lifetime license or if hunting on my place just use a landowner tag. So thank you commissioners for saving me money.
All because some spewed forth their unproven opinions - opinions that research and the numbers just don’t back up.
You can still hunt all 4 seasons . Why is it you need to kill a buck in every season , I would rather bow hunt my 2 bucks and if iam lucky enough to kill 2 mature deer . I can still go to deer camp for the companionship its about friend and family. an in that is where the you find heritage .
That’s great for you Hoppies but some people prefer to have the opportunity for a buck - and most of the guys I know kill doe as well.
I have not shot multiple bucks for a couple of years now - but when it happens I still like the opportunity to be able to hunt a nice buck say during the heritage season as well
It’s no difference then hunting another state for a buck - it’s not about being a game hog like some want to accuse people of doing yet that same person doing the accusing will go to another state for the opportunity to hunt an additional buck.
Jayd,
Let's not play unaware. The reply is copied and pasted from where you went on a Tennessee Forum asking about the two buck limit. I found it inadvertently with a Google search of two buck limit in West Virginia.
Your heritage is safe. Some slight decisions that could possibly affect your hunting season will have to be made on occasion, but that's not even the case if you aren't buying anymore tags and live in a cwd zone, your life as a hunter is all but exactly the same. Not sure why you feel victimized when your the one saying landowner privilege in a county where the limit stayed the same.
Jayd. You know quite a few people who will hunt other states because of 2 buck limit , well i know a lots of hunters who hunt other states ( OHIO ) because of 3 buck limit and lack of mature deer to hunt in wv . Maybe lowering the buck limit down will not have any effect on age of bucks and high doe kill ,We will never know until we try it for few years .
LOL oh Cory sometimes I don’t know if I should laugh at you or be afraid that you are a stalker!
And again why can’t you answer with research or do you always answer in a way that is questionable?
Yep I wanted to see what people in TN are thinking - please tell me how this is wrong? Got some interesting answers
And again why are you making this about me instead of the questions at hand?
So let’s see if you can answer 1 question about the issue - where has lowering the buck limit had any effect on the antlerless harvest? Check TN and the antlerless harvest there prior and then after the buck limit was lowered.
From here on out how about just sticking to the issue! Oh that’s right you have trouble coming up with any real research or facts to back yourself up.
But Hoppies the people you know in WV still had the opportunities to hunt areas with mature deer/trophy deer opportunities- such as the 4 bow only counties, WMA that have restrictions or the many hunting clubs that have restrictions. There was no need for them to go to another state they had that opportunity all along right here in WV.
Why would a hunter drive to bow only counties . When they can drive 30 min or less and hunt on private land in ohio . Ever hunt those counties they are not for every one and rough hunting also plus private land hunting is hard to find . I can drive 30 min and be sitting in my stand by prime Ohio bottom land , and have just as good if not better of chance of taking a 4year old buck i hunt both states and some do but many only hunt Ohio , its like nite and day on the quality of bucks you will see , and over the years people from WV have leased or purchsed land and have hunt camps . plain and simple the hunting is just better...
I Am happy for you - Hoppies - enjoy what you have and hope you have continued good luck
Jayd,
Are you removing the trophy deer from four bow hunting only counties when comparing WV and Tennessee?
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2023/02/06/tennessee-deer-hunting-harvest-2022-23-third-straight-year-growth/69768224007/
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2021/02/04/tennessee-deer-harvest-largest-six-years-coronavirus-hunting/4327758001/
And Maybe Tennessee decided to KILL does in cwd areas and now there are less does to kill, therefore harvest goes down.
Not sure that the population in the eastern panhandle is any less than pre cwd.
3.5 goes up Yearling goes down ?? Probably won't work??
Are the 4 bow only counties not part of WV anymore? Why in the hell would you want them not included?
So should TN take the entrees off that would not meet WV qualifications since their qualifications are not as high as WV? Ask a stupid question - get 1 back.
You all and your little your little charts - you do realize there has been a nationwide trend with 1 1/2 year buck harvest decreasing right?
Well except for - doesn’t OH still have a pretty high 1 1/2 year old harvest? What’s there limit? LOL
Wasn’t it Chad Grove who posted the research especially for you Cory where it stated that in PA they more or less would have saw the 1 1/2 year buck harvest decrease without implementing the antler restrictions- might have taken a few years longer. Just like our biologist told you that has been happening right here in WV all along because hunters have taken the issue on upon themselves.
Oh on the wvsportsman page I am starting a “Where is Jay “ blog so you and Jeremy will have a little bit easier time of following me across social media. Rofl
Maybe because the bow only counties are a one buck limit with archery only and you are using them to see how effective going from a three buck limit to a two buck limit would be? Constant variables help with comparisons.
As for Pennsylvania, I'll trust Gary Alt.
As for wvsportsman, I don't have any concern about where Jayd is, nor do I have any concern about any of your social media. Zero.
A simple Google search for two buck limit in WV unearthed your Tennessee forum post by coincidence.
LOL I don’t know about that you’ve mention my social media on here a few times. So let’s start at zero now and i will be good with it because it’s getting a little creepy.
Sorry I am looking at comparing each state’s deer management practices and in my opinion the whole state should be compared but you have given me an interesting idea for this evening so thank you!
Funny part is both of you two are too old to have any benefits from the lower buck harvest if there really is a benefit. The only way the average buck harvest gets bigger is hunters start passing up smaller bucks and they already have. LOL
44 of 71 bow entries in 2021 were from the four bow only counties with a ONE buck limit and ARCHERY ONLY. That's 62%.
Not sure you can use one buck limit stats to prove a three buck limit is working. Constant variables.
https://wvdnr.gov/hunting/state-records/
You are exactly right Jack!
So in 2021, 120 bucks met the WV requirements to the WV Big Buck Certification Program for Bow, Crossbow, Gun and Muzzleloader. Out of those 120 bucks - 66 of them came from other counties other than the 4 bow only counties.
Now are the bow only counties impressive - yep they sure the heck are - is it because of the limit or being bow only - I tend to think being bow only but it is a combination. Does that mean we should make the whole state bow only and 1 buck limit? Should we make all of our streams fly fishing only and catch and release? To me that is just ridiculous to think about - it should be a mixing of regulations across our state just like our professional biologist had in place. Yet we follow the advice of our armchair biologist now with this supposedly transparent commission. LOL
Now in TN for 2021 they had 60 entrees into their similar program but their requirements are actually lower than what WV are. So if you use the same requirements for TN bucks as in WV that number drops to 49.
So lets compare the numbers:
taking nothing off of either state numbers:
WV 120 bucks meet the requirements TN 60 bucks meet the requirements
take off WV bow only counties
WV 66 bucks TN 60 bucks
take off TN bucks that don't meet the WV requirements
WV 120 bucks TN 49 bucks
Lets just point out the fact - TN is almost twice the size of WV.
So Cory - you really want to use the stats to show that dropping the limit from 3 to 2 ( in what some on your side say is the only case study state to use) has worked anywhere and that its better than what WV is already doing? And again their anterless harvest has went down after the buck limit reduction took over not up like you and others have said it would. Oh and let's just throw out that theory BOJ claims will happen about a shorter and more intense rut will happen since the professional researchers from PA and NY state that it has no effect on breeding whatsoever.
Hey this has happen though - I just hope you all stay as vocal about WV deer harvest being buck heavy in the future under your miracle cure- lower limit - as you have been in the past.
I'm 45. Hopefully, I have plenty of time to enjoy it.
Jack - who you calling old! ROFL
If you are primarily a bowhunter, then your season hasn't changed you can still by tags and take the same gender deer you always have. (if I understand the regs correctly) For you guys that are a 2 buck limit, well you got your way.
Cory take the archery only part out of the equation and it wouldn't be long before it matched the others, it has very little to the fact that its a 1 buck county.
my career has allowed me to live in a lot of states across this country and was blessed to hunt each one of them but I must say that after living in WV and joining this site and following this forum that this has to be the hands down dumbest bunch of crybabies when it comes to whitetail deer hunting that I've ever encountered. what I'm seeing is a small handful of people that want the state DNR to write the rules pertaining to deer hunting to accommodate what they think works best for "them". it's a very selfish way to be and from what I'm reading has absolutely no credible proof other than their ideas will take revenue away from the state. it's been said over and over that very few hunters actually fill three buck tags anyway so why take the funds from extra tags from the state DNR? the more I read the more this sounds like something our current administration would come up with. if it sounds like a totally backwards idea that will cost the people then go after it 'man'. no common sense thought and real world research to actually support the long term effects. especially from a financial standpoint. just an opinion from someone on the outside looking in, y'all
Gotta agree with jonquick. It it isn't going to effect anything then why change it? We will just lose money
Jonwick, hey lighten up. Go to the kansas bowsite and its ten times worse, maybe 50 times worse. Missouri's not bad, but then again they'd shoot anything and everything but they rarely get on bowsite. Just saying everybody has an opinion. For me, I'd rather see a 1 buck limit any weapon, 2 is ok, not a fan of 3 bucks. I could see 1 buck per season though. 1 buck for bow, 1 for rifle and 1 for muzzle loaders and you'd buy a license per season. And as far as worrying about DNR funds, I don't care how they make they're money.
Yea 1 buck per season and you can of course hunt with your recurve during those seasons. Lol
Yea 1 buck per season and you can of course hunt with your recurve during those seasons. Lol
I don’t know I think we should just start hunting with either cameras or maybe a tranquilizer gun or maybe a tranquilizer arrows - sort of be like a catch and release type hunt.
JR you could shoot every spike you see then and just wait for them to wake up.
Heck yea. But then I wouldn’t get any back straps
JR - That’s what grocery stores are for - stores are much cheaper to get your meat from as well. I was informed about that several years ago on this very forum!
I assume the buck limit decision was made by the same people that made road hunting legal in WV. I didn't believe it could be true myself but feel free to look it up. loaded firearms in vehicles during hunting season in WV is legal. that's another BIG hit to the revenue for the DNR. tickets for having a loaded weapon in a vehicle made the DNR a load of money. just like extra deer tags. it's like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
No, the assumptions are incorrect. The legislature changed the law on having a loaded weapon in a vehicle. And no, the DNR didn’t make any money for citations for loaded weapons in a vehicle. DNR doesn’t make any money from citations and fines unless it includes a “replacement “ value . Fines for DNR violations go to the county the violation occurred in .
so the DNR wasn't involved in any way? hmmm...but it was signed into law and we all know who did that and why. either way, ethical WV hunters loose and the slob hunters win and, WV counties 'according to you' loose out on extra revenue.
Well, I know the guy who entered the bill - he is a serious gun and 2nd amendment advocate. I know he had discussions with DNR on the bill because I do not think they were a fan of it - I could be wrong. I think there may even be some wording in the bill about if the loaded gun in a vehicle is for the purpose of hunting then it’s not legal but not for sure on that.
His purpose for the bill at least from my talks with him were that of self protection. With all the crazy stuff going on in this world anymore - part of me says I can’t blame him.
Depends on what a loaded weapon means, does it mean a round in the chamber or if the magazine is loaded. God knows when I gun hunted I didn't see anything wrong having a weapon in the vehicle with rounds in the magazine. Who hasn't had a pistol in the vehicle with rounds in the magazine. Are we talking that is considered loaded. I owned a 30-30 for years, never felt there was an issue having a magazine with rounds in it and it was stupid to load and unload the damn thing as long as no one was in the back of the vehicle with it, same with a shotgun. I would open the breach for extra safety precaution. To tell the truth, all my weapons are loaded to the point the magazine is loaded, and that's all the time. I mean they are locked up, but I never want to have to load my magazine if some one knocks my door down. And, I seriously won't believe you if you said you carry a firearm in you vehicle and you tell me you don't have the magazine in it already. So, yes I agree with bill as long as it does not consider rounds in the magazine constitutes being loaded.
With this new law people can carry loaded (cartridge in chamber) rifles and shotguns in vehicles and utv/atvs.
So am I confused. Is it legal to carry a loaded rifle in my truck? Never know when I have to bail out fast when a big buck crossed the road
that's what it's all about jimmyjumpup. allowing the slobs to snipe deer and turkey along the roads all in the name of personal defense. in no way can allowing a fully loaded hunting weapon ride in or on a vehicle be safe. this is one of the dumbest things I've heard where hunting safety is concerned. come on y'all...get your heads out of the sand and open your eyes. this is just plain stupid.
The loaded carry vote wàs to appease citizen defense league and get a good NRA ratings.
It's a slap in the face to DNR law enforcement trying to do their job. It goes against hunting ethics making crossing the line of ethics slightly easier for an on the fence hunter.
Bad law. Bad decision. One could already conceal carry loaded.
Ok I just read some more on the bill - must admit haven’t paid much attention to it until now.
It allows for a person to have a loaded gun in their vehicle UNLESS the reason for doing so is to hunt wildlife! That sure as heck doesn’t seem like a slap in the face to me.
The representative who was the lead sponsor talked to me a bit about the bill. It was to allow faster or better protection of one’s self.
seriously are you going to tell me that the slob hunters who hunt from their vehicles haven’t been doing this already anyhow? LOL come on man! LOL
This allows for the honest citizen to be able to defend themselves and that’s it. The slobs have been doing it for years.
House bill 4048
AN ACT to amend and reenact §20-2-5 of the Code of West Virginia, 1931, as amended, relating to removing the criminal prohibitions against carrying loaded long guns, nocked cross bows with a nocked bolt, or bows with a nocked arrow in a motor vehicle; and removing prohibitions against carrying long guns, cross bows, or bows, that are not in a case or taken apart, in motor vehicles during evening hours.
Not sure how. Many honest citizens rely on the old 30-30 or nocked bow for self defense in a vehicle instead of the concealed 9mm that was already legal.
I have to say it would be easier to defend myself with my handgun than a rifle. And yes the good ole boys already have a loaded rifle for hunting and a handgun for self defense. I don't rifle hunt anymore so I carry by pistol. But even if you rifle hunt it would seem to me that it would still be easier to defend yourself with a pistol.
JR - this guy is more into his AR-15's and such guns. Think he sees Antifa antics becoming the norm. Guess quite a few others agreed with him since it passed and Big Jim even signed it into law.
Again I need to look into it further but I believe it states that you can have a loaded firearm in your vehicle unless you are going to use the firearm to hunt wildlife.
Reading the text, I'm not sure where it says anything omitting going hunting.
And who decides if you are "going to use the firearm to hunt"?
"The totality of the circumstances" can be pretty subjective I think. I'm sure some situations could be very clear but not all.
It will help the good ole boys. They could be driving down a back road looking for deer to shoot but could not be arrested unless caught in the act. They will just say they are protecting themselves.
Poachers are going to poach period /. People who do this sort of hunting ( If that is what you call it) are going to do it not matter what the law is . Do we really think this new law is going to cause people suddenly to start poach ?
I guess you are right. They probably already carry loaded rifles anyway. So now that I think of it no big deal.
Laws are only to appease the people who obey them.
That is true and I am too old at this point to worry about it.
You have to give them time. A couple night time kills and it'll get boring and soon it's time to start trespassing on JayD's place and shooting his herd up. Almost legal but it's a progression, some reach satisfaction quicker, some don't. Some day that road hunter will graduate, start hunting with a bow and become a upstanding example of a true sportsman, or not.
LOL. First they have to hit Nyati's place. My place is posted so I am ok. They won't hit posted land.
Hey come at your own risk! I got the zombie deer here - they will rip you apart! LOL
Looks like we have a plan here - Koogie is hitting my spot, JR is on the commissioner's place and I will hit JR's place while he wipes out the trophy spikes at the Commish's ranch!
Jack, I knew a guy in Georgia once, my brother said don't tell him about any nice buck you have. Said he'd sneak out there at night time until he killed it, with his bow saddled with a small spot light attached to his bow. He wasn't just some old low life but was my brother's partner. He had money but no honor.
But I have him beat, no money and no honor, LOL
Wow I’ve heard it all. I am looking forward to being able to have my recurve in the front seat beside me with the arrow on the string across my lap and hanging out the window.
JR - you know you are getting one of those airbows now!
Yep. There will be a season for them soon.
Yep. If they are voted fair bow equipment, It’ll likely come with the results of WV becoming a one buck limit state too.
If past history is to be considered relevant.