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Was feeling a little bummed

Well I was feeling a little bummed out because i am not home hunting this weekend. My wife is from Oklahoma and her aunt is turning 100 today. They are having a party for her. We flew out here to visit and i do enjoy meeting with her family.

The best thing has happened though - had offers from different family members to come back out and hunt here in Oklahoma and one even has several farms in Kansas!

So not feeling to bummed out anymore - wanna do some research now and see what all i need to do to get a license. Will be headed home on Monday and from tuesday until gun season starts i will be in a tree!

OK reduced its buck limit to 2 a few years ago so the deer hunting there is probably ruined by now. KS only has a 1 buck limit and I figure by simple logic the deer hunting there has to be bad .

But I would go check it out anyway if I were you. You might be pleasantly surprised

LOL - yep hopefully WV Will follow in TN’s path and we will see our WV big buck certificate program entrees decrease just like entrees have fallen in TN’s Deer Registry after they lowered the limit from 3 to 2! Too much Greg - reminds me of old times!

Yeah, I’m sure the Covid pandemic that shut everything down had no role in people not taking their deer to be scored. Everything in the nation shut down except for TN deer scoring .

Death be damned, I’m going to score bucks !!!

JayD, u just said the chance of going to a 1 and 2 buck state helped bring u out of a depression ?

Go, see it. Enjoy yourself

LOL not going to get into this with you after this post - Its the opportunity to hunt the state - their limit had nothing to do with it LOL.

But gosh get over using the pandemic excuse for TN. Again WV pretty much half the size of TN and for the past several years WV has produce quite a few more entrees into the WV Big Buck Certificate Program than what TN has done. (Lets not forget TN qualifications for their Registry are lower than WV)

Umm pretty sure WV went through the pandemic as well - and WV did it and the limit was at 3. Oh just going off the top of my head with numbers - 2021 WV entrees 120 TN 60 and 2022 WV 93 and TN 34! Didn’t realize the pandemic was still hurting TN so much. Keep bringing up these wonderful excuses.

And i am sure there is no way possible that what WV Biologist put in the report where they did not recommend lowering the limit because it could have the opposite effect - which could result in more deer, causing habitat degradation and in turn might lead to smaller deer and smaller racks. Sure that might not be happening in TN right - its the nasty pandemic which is still causing people in just TN to not have their Bucks messured! ROFL too funny.

Good luck Greg - hope you have a wonderful season!

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda

You can’t have it both ways The first argument was so few 3rd bucks are killed that it’s negligible , then argue that,

Not killing that “negligible “ amount will result in overpopulation of deer herd, habitat degradation, and smaller racks.

Either it’s negligible or it’s not. It can’t be both.

Wildlife management 101 teaches that population is controlled by controlling the female population of an animal . The does are the ones that have fawns. When every other state in the nation wants to control a deer population they target does. WV has even done that in the past so it does work here as well.

NDA just recently gave a red flag warning to WV about low antlerless harvest rates in the last few years. WV antlerless harvest rate compared to buck harvest rate is moderately lower than compared to other states in our region. That’s what needs to be addressed to control population and prevent habitat degradation and poor herd health. TN got a red flag warning too so it looks like they need to increase doe harvest as well

OK went thru this transition about a decade ago , give or take a year, . The hunting has improved, the hunters are happy , the deer herd didn’t crash, and OK is killing some pretty good mature bucks.

I spoke with TN game and fish Chief as well as their main deer biologist. The same thing is beginning to occur there. After a few years the same thing will occur here.

Have a good season JayD Go hunt Ok and KS You’ll probably need to buy a bonus point and wait a year to get a KS tag. U can buy a bonus point next year. It’s too late this year. It usually takes at least 1 point to draw a KS tag .

You know Greg - just tired of debating with you because you just go overboard anymore and then when i give it back - you whine about it.

Lets just stop with the yadda yadda comments and stick to facts and i will be fine debating with you.

First off - WV being red flagged - umm wasn’t TN as well? LOL and the NDA is a joke anymore - just wonder what the next 3 or 4 letter intials they will use for their organization when this one folds like qdma did?

And again i know you disagree with it but pretty sure our biologist say 77 doe need to be killed for every 100 bucks to keep our herd’s population stabilized.

(You can’t have it both ways The first argument was so few 3rd bucks are killed that it’s negligible , then argue that,) Need for you to explain this comment to me - your side was the one saying too many were killing 3 bucks in WV then the numbers came out and hardly anyone was killing 3 bucks. Then it was your side who switched to well since no one is hardly using a third tag why keep it. My argument has never changed.

Thank you for the advice on obtaining the hunting licenses i really do appreciate it - to be honest - hunting with a recurve and going to Kansas is probably not a wise decision for me LOL something tells me limiting my shots to 25 yard’s probably would not offer great results for hunting in Kansas.

I do like the idea about hunting OK , just to let you know though about OK - i spoke to quite a few of my wife’s relatives here amd they all say that over the past few years the population has exploded. One of them took me on a horseback ride and we saw over 500 deer! His grandkids are grown now and even though they live in Ok they go elsewhere to hunt - he wants me to come out and hunt and give him some pointers on bowhunting- he has never done it before. Told him he shouldn’t have much of a problem though - i saw him run down a armadillo and catch it by the tail! LOL he is in his late 60’s.

Once again i am going to say thank you for your commitment as commissioner - I don’t agree with some of your thoughts but i do think you are committed to it and you are doing what you think is best for WV.

Yadda Yadda Yadda is just plain nasty ?

It was voted one of the top 5 funniest Seinfield episodes .

I apologize if i offended you

LOL

Look up the definition for yadda yadda.

LOL its not far off of one of the definitions of being called a dingleberry about ones opinions.

Its all good though - throwing out that stuff keeps you from answering the questions you just don’t want to answer.

yad·da yad·da yad·da /?yäd? ?yäd? ?yäd?/ exclamationINFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN used as a substitute for actual words where they are too lengthy or tedious to recite in full. "boy meets girl, boy loses girl, yadda yadda yadda"

Here’s the definition. Not sure how it relates to anything else but whatever.

Lol…

We got crossbows here in WV under the same wise tutelage as we had pushing the NDA’s recommendations. I thought a commissioner represented their state. Not a national organization that makes money selling their brand.

Anyways, that had to do with the OP’s original post about as much as any other contributing comment.

Which is why the question was put on the DNR spring questionnaire at least 7 times , which is what Commission uses to gauge public opinion. And 2 surveys from DNR were done by DNR to gauge public opinion on the subject of the buck limit. Each questionnaire and both surveys showed that a majority of the citizens preferred a 2 buck limit. Public input was sought 9 times over a decade and each time a majority of the public indicated they preferred a 2 buck limit. The latest questionnaire was 70%-30% in favor of reduction. I would argue that is representing the will of the public . 86% of the commission appeared to have agreed.

The commission didn’t legalize crossbows. That was done by legislature. Any new weapon has to go thru legislation, that’s not in the hands of the commission. Once the law was passed the commission was tasked with the job of establishing a crossbow season. The commission sets seasons and bag limits. It does not approve new hunting weapons.

I never have ever received a questionnaire on any subject. How do they choose who gets one?

I never have ever received a questionnaire on any subject. How do they choose who gets one?

The surveys are sent out on a random basis.

The questionnaires are available in March every year. They are given out at the district meetings each year. Each DNR district has 2 meetings spread out over a 2 day period. These are advertised a week or two ahead of time. For the last several years they have been available on the DNR website during that time to print off and send in.

While the surveys are randomly selected by a computer, the questionnaires are available to anyone that wants to send one in . They are the ones that go out every spring with all the proposed regulations changes for that year.

The process is that at Feb. Commission meeting all the proposed regulation changes are discussed. Then in March the proposals are distributed to the public at the district meetings and available on DNR website. The DNR gets them back and tabulates results then at the April meeting the commission reviews the results and votes on the proposals. It’s done then so the regulations can get changed and printed so they can be available to public around the first of June

amazing how a simple little post can turn in to yada yada.

keep on preaching the lower limit LOL so when WV turns into TN and our Big Buck entrees decline just like TN's has - what will be your answer then? This past year if I recall correctly WV had 93 entrees and TN had 39, the year before I think WV had 120 and TN 66! ROFL. Oh and let's see TN is about twice the size of WV and double the amount of hunters! Oh that's right TN is still going through covid and here in WV we have wiped covid out I guess? LOL

Oh, has TN started shooting more doe than bucks? LOL I know the answer.

Yep let's follow everyone but our own professionally trained biologist - you know some of the worlds best and former director McDaniels "Dream Team".

Regardless, I am still happy about finding some new spots to hunt and I am really happy because I am sitting in a tree in good Ole WV where we produce about 3 times as many big bucks in our Big Buck Program then what TN does! LOL

Not at all picking sides here…. I have a serious question.

Could it be that in TN, with the lower limit, hunter’s are passing on bucks that would barely meet the big Buck entry score since they have limited tags but would have previously shot with more available tags? I admittedly have no idea what the average entry scores looked like before and after the # of entries.

Some may not agree, but I will personally be more selective with that 1st buck tag once the reduced limit takes effect than I have been in years past.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Jeremy- i get where you are coming from - I might have even said it was feasible to say that the first couple of years after lowering the limit. It's been like 7 years now - shouldn’t there be more mature deer by now?

You know the report our dnr put out on 2 different occasions - recommending not to lower the limit - Several on this forum said our dnr said it would have no negative impact - so we should try it. That was not the truth at all! In that report our biologist said it could have the opposite affect and lead to habitat degradation, resulting in smaller racks. Could this be happening in TN? I am not saying for certain that is happening but it does make you wonder why their big buck entrees have declined. I can tell you right now with 100% confidence- it ain’t because of covid. LOL

It’s a simple fact. It really is. Not because I say so. But, because the facts say so. Look at Facebook. Look at all WV hunting sites. There is a lot of bruiser buck’s hitting the ground in this state. A lot. Regardless of location, there ARE big bucks every where. They might not be on hoppies back 40. Or Cory’s timber company land. Or, Greg’s farm. But, they are here and in really good numbers for the environment we have statewide.

It’s been said in the past in tones of smart assness, that social media wasn’t reliable for such evaluations. But, it’s good enough for propagating qdma practices I reckon? It’s Just not acceptable for reliable sourcing of your average joe showing off a big buck he’s killed in WV. But, I don’t suspect reality played any part in the sell out for a lower limit. Just the notion of controlling the other guy to benefit an agenda.

As in most things concerning politics, it’s an ugly business representing an agenda. Or, cherry picking tidbits of info versus the data that is available. Some people are made for it though.

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