does anybody know what the generic name of the herbacide that will not harm broad leaf (i.e, clover chicory,brassicas,etc...) and will target grasses?? or better yet the best place to buy them online, starting to get ready to do my food plot prepwork next month- thanks
Post or Post Plus, I don't know any "generic" brands
I've used Poast or GrassGetter and it works really well for witchgrass and crabgrass. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have any effect on the standard lawn grasses. I had to buy 2.5 gallons plus a wetting agent (the wetting agent was cheap, the Poast was pretty expensive as a one time charge). I had to special order these from an agricultural store mainly because there aren't many farms in MA.
If you haven't round-up'd the area (the generic version is cheaper), I'd recommend that to get rid of all the junk that Poast won't kill after the plot is up. Otherwise the plot will get weedy very quickly.
Assure II, Poast Plus, Select are all grass killers that will work good with legumes. I did find a product that might work it is called Vollunteer ( Spelling not for sure) I is a product simillar to Select. ( cheaper too) It is around $106.00 a gallon. It is used in the ounces per acre. It is not labeled for food plots but if it is all clover or alfafa it might be alright. I would go to a garden center tho and check what they have. I know I can get this in Nebraska but don't know about your State. I have the broadleaf weeds in a broadleaf plot. So I use a product like Round-Up in a hand sprayer and just spot spray. Well hope this helps you out...
They have some good easy to read info here
Arrest is the one I just Purchased at Gander MTN(If it works I'll be buying more).Its Suppose to NOT harm Broadleafs. I will be using it this spring. My plots(Clover/Chickory) are slowly being invaded by grasses and I dont want to do a total kill-off (to expensive to start over again). My plots have been in for about 5+ years now and have been real good grass wise till last season. If I'm starting a new plot I use the "Industrial Grade"(higher %) ROUNDUP and mix it heavy. This new stuff(Arrest), I'll use at MFG recomendations...Jeff
Round-Up is a non selective herbicide. Kills any kind of plant grass or broadleaf. It is a glyphosate compound. Any other questions let me know. I used to custom spray for farmers. Don't know all the answers cause they change names on these chemicals so often. But may get you in the right direction.
Contact your local county Extension Office. They are through the land grant colleges in the US, and they will probably be able to help you...
I attached a link to help you find the local office and the website for the Mass. Ext. service...
"Roundup" you can get at any Menards/ Loews/ or just about any hardware/nursery. It comes in different % concentrates, I like the Highest concentrate(Which cost's more of course). It's pretty potent but once sprayed you can usually plant over it in around 10 days, total kill-off is about 2 weeks or so. Watch what you spray with it, if it comes in contact with most any plant it will kill it...Jeff
thanks guys i plan t use round up in the spring and hopefully maintain with a broadleaf safe type of spray
Envoy isn't generic, costs about $125 per gallon, but will cover 8 acres. It kills grass. I spray it over conifers such as white and norway spruce, white pine, scotch pine. I've sprayed it on clover fields, over biologic maximum, etc. I even spray it on my irises at home next to the front porch, it's much easier than pulling the grass out and doesn't harm the irises. It doesn't kill broadleaf, but does kill grass.
Don't spend the money for name brand "Round-Up", just use anything with glyphosate as the active ingredient (which is what Round Up uses). We can usually buy 2 1/2 gallons of Razor Pro concentrate for about $60, and it already has the surfactant added.
8-10 oz. of Select , 1 Qt Crop Oil per acre will kill grasses in clover , soybeans , alfalfa . Probably would work in chickory and most other broadleaf crops .
Sorry Plowjockey, I didn't see the glyphosate part of your post earlier.
That's OK Big Ern... If any of you can get to a farm service where they have generic "round up" in bulk it is even cheaper yet. I think we sold some for around $15 to $20 a gal last year. And if you really want to sting the weeds a non-ionic surfactant mixed in makes it absorb in to the plants better.
ACE hardware sells a generic "roundup" produce at about 1/2- 2/3 the price of the real stuff. Reading the contents, looks like the same stuff. I've used both and cann't tell the difference in their performance. Both kill any vegetation it gets on.
i use round up 10 days before i plow and rake and seed works like a charm
i use round up 10 days before i plow and rake and seed works like a charm
If are lucky enough to have gotten your pesticide applicator liscense, your options are endless. #1 thing to keep in mind with glyphosphate is never go under the recommended rates or your just fertilizing the weed. If there is a Southern States or Royster Clark in your area they will gladly help you out far as choosing a burn-down or a selective herbicide. Hopes this helps and Good luck
NCDixieboy... Boy you got that right. I have a custom applicator license and you can get about anything you want. But be sure if you use those restricted items keep records. The place I work for had a little glitch in the records someplace a few years ago and got a fine... Oh and I tell ya when you get to apply chemicals for farmers all over 3 to 4 counties you get to see and ask about alot of good hunting areas.. I have seen fields that had 10 acres around timbers chewed down to where they would not yield anything.. Kinda easy to get permission in those spots.. Just getting the time to hunt is the next thing for me. Fall harvest really puts a bite on it..
I have had much better luck with RoundUping an area in the late summer, early fall and letting it overwinter so the grass and other junk can rot down. Then in the spring when the ground is still pretty wet, I disc the area with a small farm tractor (I don't know how an ATV disc would work). This works really well at preparing a good seedbed -- much better than trying to disc (or plow in the rocky soil here) the hardpacked sod in August.
I'm sure if you've got access to big farm equipment, you could prepare a good seedbed at any time.
Anyone know where I can mail order some ammonium sulfate, either in liquid(1 or 2.5 gal) or water soluable granular form? I'ld like to add it to my glyphosate (roundup) sprayings.
Do you live close to any type of farm store or grain elevator that handles chemicals? If they sell any type of Round Up or it's generic they should have ammonium sulfate. If they don't have that try a non-ionic surfactant... That will help the plant take the chemical in better too. We use a combination of both when we spray fields here in Nebraska.. But I have had good luck with just plain glyphosates.. Just mix it for the heavy rate and don't skimp. Just be sure if you get the granular type of AMS be sure it is disolved or you will be unplugging nozzles... Hope this helps you....
Correct me if I'm wrong but was told not to use Poast Plus on chicory. Just Poast.
At Fleet Farm (WI) they have what's called Pronto Big N'Tuf which is a generic Round Up. 2-1/2 gallons for around $80. The Round up is somewhere around double that price. Same inert ingredients. 2 quarts per acre in 25 gallons of water and it kills most everything, but I usually spray it in the spring so I mix 3 quarts per acre just in case some unexpected rain shows up. Nothing I've seen in the fields survives that level of chemical including small shrubs.
I buy generic roundup ( there are many brands) at my local ag chem dealer ........... last year I paid $16.00 per gallon ......... thats $40 for a 2 1/2 ................ BTW ....... there is no need to apply at rates greater than 1 qt per acre , that will kill most anything you are gonna have especially early in the season ( 1-1.5 pints is plenty for new growth 6-8 inches ) ........... using higher rates does not kill weeds any deader nor make it rainfast ( once roundup has dried on the plant it is pretty much rainfast ) ........... the only thing using high rates does is help the chemical companies make more money .
oh BTW .......... I worked in the business for 28 years
Buckhunter is right on track as far as using high rates of RoundUp. While going from the lowest labeled rates to the higher labeled rates can sometimes improve control or speed up results, using too high of a rate actually can keep tough weeds with big root systems from being killed. RoundUp has to translocate to effectively kill roots, and too high of a rate can cause the tops to burn off before the glyphosate has a chance to translocate to the rest of the plant. RoundUp kills slowly! It is supposed to kill slowly.it will usually take at least a week to have visual results. The chemical companies want their products to work, so the recommend rates that work very well. Also, applying more than a labeled rate is against the law, so be sure to read the labels of ALL herbicides before you use them.
One other thing about Glyphosate:
It binds very tightly to soil particles, so there is absolutely no soil or residual activity. It will kill pretty much anything green that it touches, but will have NO activity on weeds that haven't emerged yet. That also means that there is no potential for the glyphosate to affect your crop planted after spraying.