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Kerry: U.S. will sign U.N Gun Ban Treaty

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From: tonyo6302 Date: 03-Jun-13

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Kerry says US will sign UN treaty on arms regulation despite lawmaker opposition

Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the Obama administration would sign a controversial U.N. treaty on arms regulation, despite bipartisan resistance in Congress from members concerned it could lead to new gun control measures in the U.S.

Kerry, releasing a written statement as the U.N. treaty opened for signature Monday, said the U.S. "welcomes" the next phase for the treaty, which the U.N. General Assembly approved on April 2.

"We look forward to signing it as soon as the process of conforming the official translations is completed satisfactorily," he said. Kerry called the treaty "an important contribution to efforts to stem the illicit trade in conventional weapons, which fuels conflict, empowers violent extremists, and contributes to violations of human rights."

The treaty would require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and components and to regulate arms brokers, but it will not explicitly control the domestic use of weapons in any country.

Still, gun-rights supporters on Capitol Hill warn the treaty could be used as the basis for additional gun regulations inside the U.S. and have threatened not to ratify.

Last week, 130 members of Congress signed a letter to Obama and Kerry urging them to reject the measure for this and other reasons.

"As your review of the treaty continues, we strongly encourage your administration to recognize its textual, inherent and procedural flaws, to uphold our country's constitutional protections of civilian firearms ownership, and to defend the sovereignty of the United States, and thus to decide not to sign this treaty," the lawmakers wrote.

The chance of adoption by the U.S. is slim, even if Obama goes ahead and signs it -- as early as Monday, or possibly months down the road. A majority of Senate members have come out against the treaty. A two-thirds majority would be needed in the Senate to ratify.

What impact the treaty will have in curbing the estimated $60 billion global arms trade remains to be seen. The U.N. treaty will take effect after 50 countries ratify it, and a lot will depend on which ones ratify and which ones don't, and how stringently it is implemented.

The United Nations has organized a high-level signing ceremony at U.N. headquarters on Monday -- a sign of the treaty's global importance -- and several dozen countries are expected to sign, the first step to ratification.

The Control Arms Coalition, which includes hundreds of non-governmental organizations in more than 100 countries that promoted an Arms Trade Treaty, said it expects many of the world's top arms exporters -- including Britain, Germany and France -- to sign alongside emerging exporters such as Brazil and Mexico. It said the United States is expected to sign later this year.

The coalition noted that more than 500,000 people are killed by armed violence every year and predicted that "history will be made" when many U.N. members sign the treaty, which it says is designed "to protect millions living in daily fear of armed violence and at risk of rape, assault, displacement and death."

Many violence-wracked countries, including Congo and South Sudan, are also expected to sign. The coalition said their signature -- and ratification -- will make it more difficult for illicit arms to cross borders.

The treaty covers battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, missiles and missile launchers, and small arms and light weapons.

It prohibits states that ratify it from transferring conventional weapons if they violate arms embargoes or if they promote acts of genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes. The treaty also prohibits the export of conventional arms if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals.

In addition, the treaty requires countries to take measures to prevent the diversion of conventional weapons to the illicit market. This is among the provisions that gun-rights supporters in Congress are concerned about.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/03/lawmakers-urge-obama-to-reject-un-arms-treaty-as-it-opens-for-signature/#ixzz2VBxC7h5K

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/03/lawmakers-urge-obama-to-reject-un-arms-treaty-as-it-opens-for-signature/#ixzz2VBx5vgHH

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/03/lawmakers-urge-obama-to-reject-un-arms-treaty-as-it-opens-for-signature/

From: Nomad Date: 03-Jun-13
Will it include running guns across the mexican border to drug cartels?

From: bad karma Date: 03-Jun-13
Of course we will. One easy way to predict what they will do is to figure out the dumbest thing they could do, and wait until they do it. You'll be right a hell of a lot of the time.

From: farfromflinging Date: 03-Jun-13
But Obama doesnt want our guns.. Really, and even if they can take them using this, trust that they wont.. ever..

Not.

From: Shuteye Date: 03-Jun-13
I think they should just sign a law making murder, rape and drugs illegal. That would certainly save a lot of lives.

From: trublucolo Date: 03-Jun-13
Way to go Shuteye...complicate things:-)

From: orionsbrother Date: 03-Jun-13
Does anyone here really expect them to do anything other than sign the dang treaty?

From: Salagi Date: 03-Jun-13
" The treaty also prohibits the export of conventional arms if they could be used in attacks on civilians or civilian buildings such as schools and hospitals. "

That would cover any weapon ever made.

This is scary stuff right here.

From: BowSniper Date: 03-Jun-13
The problem is that once signed, the treaty ca sit forever awaiting ratification by the Senate. So even though this Senate will not ratify the stupid UN treaty, down the road another group will...

From: BowSniper Date: 03-Jun-13
The problem is that once signed, the treaty ca sit forever awaiting ratification by the Senate. So even though this Senate will not ratify the stupid UN treaty, down the road another group will...

From: Woods Walker Date: 03-Jun-13
"...shall not be infringed."

These three words that our founders wrote concerning the the right of the people to keep and bear arms trumps anything this current crop of a-holes that occupy our government for the moment can come up with.

They can sign anything they want but they may as well sign used toliet paper because they both contain the same thing....a lot of crap.

I can't wait for the UN to come knocking on our doors to tell us what weapons we can and can't have.

From: buckiller Date: 03-Jun-13
It's not scary at all. Just be prepared to die for your gun rights. I'd rather resist Tyranny standing on my own to feet than cowering in servitude on my knees.

And yes, everyone who resists tyranny in this country will be labeled a terrorist. Might as well get used to that title right now because that is where things are headed unless we change course.

From: tonyo6302 Date: 04-Jun-13
So . . . . how many of you have called your Senators yet?

From: tonyo6302 Date: 04-Jun-13

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Get on board. Everyone call your Senator.

DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

From: BowSniper Date: 04-Jun-13
Good reminder to write. Just send letters to both my senators today. In Maryland, they will sell out the Constitution in a second to follow Obama to the gates of hell. But still have to write in opposition.

Somewhere there is going to be a stack of letters. And we need to have more in the opposition pile.

From: The Old Sarge Date: 04-Jun-13
They can sign all the treaties they want. None of them means a damn thing without Senate ratification.

From: NvaGvUp Date: 04-Jun-13
This can't be true. The great, wonderful and all knowing GJ has told us that Obama is pro 2A and that anyone who believes otherwise is PARANOID. And we all know GJ is never wrong.

From: tonyo6302 Date: 04-Jun-13
"NvaGvUp, GJ didn't have any trouble making Liberals look bad. Fun to watch."

Fixed it for you,Sleepy.

Here is your warning Sleepy: NvaGvUps comments were germane to the subject matter. Yours were argumentative.

You are at strike two already.

You have been warned.

From: tonyo6302 Date: 04-Jun-13
Sleepy, I am uninterested in your personal wars on the CF.

. . . . but . . . ,

I am truly interested in your thoughts on the U. N. Gun Ban Treaty.

From: Woods Walker Date: 04-Jun-13
You actually expect a THOUGHT from 40 winks? Are you ever going to be disappointed!

From: WV Mountaineer Date: 04-Jun-13
Sleepy has to contact his union rep. to get his stance on it.

From: tonyo6302 Date: 04-Jun-13
Fair is fair, WW and WV Mountaineer, and I am not saying we are in disagreement.

However, start your own Sleepy thread. This one is about Kerry, Obummer, and the U. N. Gun Ban Treaty.

Strike two to each of you. You have been warned.

From: Shuteye Date: 04-Jun-13
Gun owners will see who votes in favor of it. That is a good thing for us in the next election.

From: Destroyer350 Date: 04-Jun-13
Even though it will not be ratified he is going to sign it the 1st week of August during summer recess so there can't be any outcry.

From: Woods Walker Date: 04-Jun-13
Strike two?? I understand the strike for the "thoughts" comment, but what was my first strike?

From: orionsbrother Date: 04-Jun-13
"I do not see how it could ever be ratified. Especially after 14 when the dems take a beating."

I don't see how a politician can decree that an airport be dug up in the middle of the night, toll bridges and parking meters can be sold off, white guys with outfit connections get city minority contracts, sealed court records get unsealed for candidates, gangbangers get used as campaign workers and dead people vote, a lot. Yet that and lots more has and will happen, hammer.

Don't think that anything is beyond democrats with links to Chicago. 2014 elections are not a lock by a long shot. Look at who's voting, look at who's suppressing opposition votes, look at who's counting the votes.

From: tonyo6302 Date: 04-Jun-13
Woods Walker,

Me no count good.

Tony

From: trublucolo Date: 04-Jun-13
It's off to timeout for Tony until he learns to count fair. I thought the extra point was for WW and WV doubling up on sleepy and I was suspecting tony of being a progressive vote counter, -they count like that too! :-)

As to the thread itself...Kerry is a bootlicker. He has always been a freeloading mooch and obama gave him a bone with the State Department assignment. Kerry has never stood on his own and to expect him to do anything other than what Valerie Jarrett wants is laughable.

From: Woods Walker Date: 04-Jun-13
"As to the thread itself...Kerry is a bootlicker. He has always been a freeloading mooch and obama gave him a bone with the State Department assignment. Kerry has never stood on his own and to expect him to do anything other than what Valerie Jarrett wants is laughable."

I agree 100%. Well stated.

From: Bluetick Date: 05-Jun-13
If Foinstoin's bill didn't pass the Senate, I hardly expect this to be ratified. It will be yet another well deserved humiliation for these a-wipes.

From: Owl Date: 05-Jun-13
" Kerry called the treaty "an important contribution to efforts to stem the illicit trade in conventional weapons, which fuels conflict, empowers violent extremists, and contributes to violations of human rights."

- So, using that rationale, the UN should disband and the POTUS (or his AG, in the least) should be doing serious jail time.

From: tonyo6302 Date: 05-Jun-13
I just want everyone to know that I did not remove Sleepy's post.

Also, since the Air Force veterans at work have successfully taught this Marine to read and write, I will ask them if they will place me in time out, and teach me some cyphering too.

:^)

Back to the Treaty; I am still aghast that ANY American would sign ANY treaty that gives U.N. Control over anthing in this country. I just do not understand that kind of thinking.

From: The Old Sarge Date: 05-Jun-13
Tony, You answered your own question. These dipwads are not true Americans.

From: Owl Date: 05-Jun-13
"Back to the Treaty; I am still aghast that ANY American would sign ANY treaty that gives U.N. Control over anthing in this country. I just do not understand that kind of thinking."

- tony, The folks in central planning have been thinking globally in more terms than firing missiles at Arabs. It is, apparently, intellectually and morally progressive to subjugate one's neighbors to a remote bureaucracy who would regard Virginians in the same capacity as Afghanis.

TOS is right. These folks see themselves as "global citizens" first and foremost.

From: Anony Mouse Date: 05-Jun-13
Too many people do not understand that the progs think long term...an most citizens have a real problem dealing with the moment.

1. The immigration bill is not expected to pass the Senate even by the Dems. Still, it becomes an anti-Republican message that "immigration reform" was blocked by the obstinate racists R's and becomes another meme in an attempt to regain the House.

2. When something eventually passes (and you can be sure it will), an immigration legislation will enable the Dems to be in a position that the Republicans will never win another election because the majority of those new voters will be beholding to the progressive controlled government tit.

3. That UN resolution signed under the Obama administration will then be ratified and become law...gutting the 2A as it cedes more US sovereignty to the UN.

Why we allow our country to continue to be part of an organization that has failed in its mission and demonstrates its insanities when it comes to NK, Iran and AGW is a sign that we will allow the progs to make our Constitutional rights just words.

The left will continue to push those that believe in our Constitution and its philosophy of maximum individual liberty into a corner. A second revolution will be forced upon this country if freedom is to survive.

From: FraDiavolo Date: 05-Jun-13

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In the interest of helping you boys sleep a little better, I've provided a link to a clear concise article on exactly what this treaty will do. Please note that your 2nd Amendment rights are not jeopardized, that your guns are not being grabbed, and that we are not submitting to a new world order. Also that the sky is not falling.

"WHAT WILL AN ARMS TRADE TREATY NOT DO?

According to the U.N. Office of Disarmament, it will not do any of the following: interfere with domestic arms commerce or the right to bear arms in member states; ban the export of any type of weapon; harm states' legitimate right to self-defense; undermine national arms regulation standards already in place.

The National Rifle Association, the powerful U.S. gun rights lobby group, is strongly opposed to the arms trade treaty. The group has vowed to fight the convention's ratification by the U.S. Senate if Washington backs it at the United Nations.

The NRA says the treaty would undermine gun ownership rights under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

The American Bar Association, an attorneys' lobbying group, last month disputed the NRA position, saying in a paper that "ratification of the treaty would not infringe upon rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment."

From: slade Date: 05-Jun-13
It won't do or lead to to anything against the 2nd, just like the IRS would never lead to or do anything against American citizens.

forWARD!

From: tonyo6302 Date: 05-Jun-13
Fra,

Trusting the U. N. promises of leaving the 2nd Amendment alone is just like believing that Obummercare would decrease the costs of insurance premiums, eh?

Tony

From: Seapig@work Date: 05-Jun-13
What would be covered? "The current draft treaty says that the following weapon types will be covered battle tanks; armored combat vehicles; large-caliber artillery systems; combat aircraft; attack helicopters; warships; missiles and missile launchers; small arms and light weapons, ranging from assault rifles to handguns."

That pretty well covers everything that I've got.

WHO WANTS SUCH A TREATY?

Human rights groups, arms control advocates want a strong treaty that imposes tough new standards on the largely unregulated arms trade.

Doesn't that sound a lot like the whine the gun control advocates use here in the states?

Lets just ignore history, forget past experience, never mind the most illegal, law breaking, constitution shredding administration EVER has "reversed course" and now supports this treaty.

Yeah, right, they're not after our guns.

Mike

From: Woods Walker Date: 05-Jun-13
Okay....and we're supposed to believe what the American Bar Association says....riiight.....

A bunch of lying, coniving lawyers doing more lying and coniving. I trust them about as far as I can throw an anvil upwind in a hurricane...with my bad arm!

From: tonyo6302 Date: 06-Jun-13
I called and emailed both my Senators, specifically about the U. N. Gun Ban Treaty. Both my Senators are Democrats.

This is Sen. Warner's response ( from his office I am sure ).

Is it just me, or did anyone else see that there is no mention of the U. N. Treaty?

Dear Mr. Oliver,

Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts on legislative efforts to reduce gun violence in the United States.

On December 14, 2012, 20 innocent children and six adults lost their lives in one of the worst, most tragic shootings to ever occur in the United States. As a parent of three daughters, this was the ultimate nightmare. Like the Virginia Tech and Columbine shootings, this tragedy unfolded in what was once regarded as a safe haven free o f crime and violence: a school.

I own firearms and am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment constitutional right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. However, I also recognize that, like with many of our constitutional rights, our Second Amendment rights are not without limits. It is unfortunate that a tragedy of this magnitude is what is needed to prompt action, but we need to take meaningful steps that will help us best avoid these kinds of mass shootings in the future. The status quo is not acceptable.

During the Senate's recent consideration of the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 (S. 649), I was very disappointed that we could not reach the necessary 60 votes for passage of a reasonable, bipartisan amendment to strengthen background checks. This compromise legislation put forward by Senators Manchin and Toomey would have closed the gun show loophole and prohibited the commercial sale of guns to those who are seriously mentally ill or have a criminal record while also upholding Second Amendment rights. Furthermore, its failure, which occurred one day after the sixth anniversary of the Virginia Tech tragedy, jeopardizes passage of the underlying gun safety bill, which includes ou r bipartisan CAMPUS Safety Act.

There was also significant debate over proposals to ban certain types of weapons and magazines. I voted against these bans because, after talking to numerous experts, I believe the most effective thing we can do to reduce gun-related violence and keep guns out of the hands of those prohibited by law from possessing them is to pass a strong background check law.

Moving forward, I believe that the Senate should continue to work to pass effective measures that will help to keep our children and communities safe. These include broadening background checks for gun purchases, making improvements to our mental health system so we can provide help to those with dangerous mental illnesses before it is too late, as well as measures to prevent gun trafficking, ensure all appropriate records are submitted into the background check database, and improve school and campus safety.

Again, thank you for contacting me. For further information or to sign up for my newsletter please visit my website at http://warner.senate.gov .

Sincerely, MARK R. WARNER United States Senator

From: Spike Bull Date: 07-Jun-13
The usual political drivel. He sounds remarkably like DB. He doesnt ever really address what you said, he just dances around the truth while campaigning and promoting the party line.

From: The Old Sarge Date: 07-Jun-13
According to the U.N. Office of Disarmament ...

Enough said ...

From: The Old Sarge Date: 07-Jun-13
If you trust the UN, do a bit of research on how they handled the situation in the Congo back in the '60s.

From: Hunting555 Date: 07-Jun-13
Fra.....

Well, another monkey just fell off the ladder trying to reach the banana. I think I'll just shake my head and walk away. He's proved time and time again he'll never learn!

If you're wondering, check the phsyc 101 thread....


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