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From: Anony Mouse
18-Mar-14

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A little PSA for you Win XP guys. With support for that OS over and done with, your alternatives are limited.

If you go the replacement route (new computer), you might find some Win 7 machines from Dell and HP (business side of their sites). Win 8 with its messed up Metro is supposed to get an upgrade to Win 8.1 with more of a traditional Windows appearance.

You could spend money and buy Win 7 or 8 to install on your old computer.

And then there is Zorin. (from Link)

"Soon, very soon, Windows XP will be defunct. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of PCs will wind up seemingly worthless. And so the Linux cry of “Carpe Penguin” is heard around the world. Although I’ve gone on the record to say that the death of Windows XP shouldn't be the sole rallying call for Linux, it's certainly a moment to be seized. This is the perfect time for Linux distributions, such as Zorin OS.

The Zorin OS is unique in the world of Linux in that it wants to embrace the Windows crowd and show them they can feel at home anywhere. To that end, Zorin OS goes out of its way to emulate Windows XP and even Windows 7. It does this by employing a user-friendly, Windows-like desktop that anyone can use. Oddly enough, in this Unity-, GNOME-, XFCE-, KDE-dominated world of Linux, Zorin OS opts to roll out their own desktop environment (Zorin Desktop Environment), along with the Zorin Menu, to create an interface that's both amazingly familiar and unique."

I recently installed Zorin on an older Toshiba laptop that had XP on it. Zorin installed easily and the laptop ran like a much newer machine. It looked and ran like XP...but as fast as a new machine. A few tweaks and I gave the computer to my non-techy 93 year old mother and she has found it easy to use.

Installation was pretty straight forward. Back up your files, insert the live CD and let Zorin create its own partitions and install. Re-install your data.

Those that have used open source software should have no problems with the pre-installed programs: FireFox, LibreOffice (OpenOffice), Thunderbird.

Best of all, it is free. You end up with a basically new machine that will run great. Linux has less operating overhead than Windows, so runs well on older computers.

Anyhow, thought I would pass on this bit of info.

jack

From: slade
18-Mar-14
Thanks Jack,

I was dreading the change.

From: tonyo6302
18-Mar-14
Anony Mouse,

Some of us Windows PC dummies use after market Registry Cleaners, such as RegZooka, from Zookaware.

For us really really dumb Linux people, is there aftermarket software for Linux Operating Systems to keep the PC healthy and fast?

Tony

From: Woods Walker
18-Mar-14
LOL! I thought this thread was about ammo!

Other than that I have no idea of what you're talking about.

From: Anony Mouse
18-Mar-14
Actually, I have never had to use any sort of program like those which I need for my Windows machine.

Between regular system updates, my Linux computers never seem to have many problems. I (heaven forbid!!)do not even have a firewall or antivirus running. Of course, I do not do games, porn or any of those sites where these sorts of infections seem to come.

While on computers, really strange thing today. Neighbor across the street was picking up a wireless network named "FBIVan". My phone did not pick it up (weaker radio antenna). Was a secured network and came and went during the day. WiFi doesn't have a great range without special gear and we saw no unusual vehicles in the area (live in the country). Weird.

BTW: be glad to burn a few copies of Zorin if anyone interested.

From: Bowfreak
18-Mar-14
Jack,

I still run XP at work and am debating what to do.

Is my machine going to spontaneously combust if I don't upgrade?

Also...my only issue with going to something non windows is that ALL of my spreadsheets at work are built in Excel and in my very limited experience with open office I didn't feel it worked well.

From: slade
18-Mar-14
Jack,

Count me as interested. Thank you. I have never been happy with Win 7 that's on my laptop and did not want to replace my XP pc.

From: GregE
18-Mar-14
Another XP fogie here trying to figure out what's next.

From: Anony Mouse
18-Mar-14

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Bowfreak...XP will no longer be supported. That means that there will be no fixes for security problems that are discovered. Considering the amount of code used in operating systems, Microsoft, Apple, Android, etc. all regularly provide updates to their operating systems to fix small problems, security openings and such.

Thus XP will become increasingly open to malicious attacks because there will be no fixes. XP has been around for a long time and has had several upgrades (SP1, SP2, etc.) plus regular fixes. Win 7 still gets them.

XP at work presents two big problems. First, it is really outdated and no longer supported. For a business, this is just asking for trouble. Second, proprietary software. Is there an update for it that will run under a newer OS? Can it be ported? Can you find an alternative to replace it? Likely, it could be run in a virtual computer, but that presents problems if the software is designed to run a particular machine--you may then have communication problems.

WRT your spreadsheets in Excell...have you tried importing them into a LibreOffice spread sheet? Most of mine transferred with minimal problems and were easily fixed. Cost was great (free). With MS Office, you will have to purchase the newest version because the program itself will not run under Win 8 (spreadsheets should import OK).

My son used OpenOffice all through high school and had no problem with his files on the school's Microsoft Office computers...even his power points worked.

If your business is your own, might be worth seeing if you can hire a computer geek kid from high school or local community college to look over what you have, your needs and help you with the upgrade transition.

Slade: nice thing about Linux is that you can put a live CD in your computer and check it out without installing (you need to set your boot options to use optical drive and/or USB ahead of hard drive boot...easy). With the newer Windows machines, a little harder to set up a dual boot (select OS at boot--you can run either Windows or Linux). I bought a nice small (similar to the size of wireless mouse transmitter)USB stick and installed the Mint Linux I use on it for my Win ultrabook. Running from the memory stick almost as fast as the hard drive. Running from the optical drive is slower than it would be running on the HD as all access is as fast as the optical drive, which is slower than a HD. But you can test Linux out and get comfortable before actually installing.

jack

Pic is a screen shot of my Mint Linux laptop...running Mint 15 Cinnamon with Cairo-dock. The icons at the bottom act similarly to a Mac. The lower left corner shows the 4 desktops I use while computing. Neat and clean.

From: AZOnecam
19-Mar-14
MS painted themselves into a corner. Win 8 blows, which they know, so they have to migrate their users to Win 7. How many software companies are steering their users away from their flagship product?

You don't have to be particularly tech-savvy to recognize how Microsoft has lost the tech battle, and while they try to catch up, their competitors are surging forward.

IBM, Compaq, HP, Microsoft, the "big players" a while back are dinosaurs.

The playing field is much different these days, and those that rested on their laurels are a generation behind.

Those who innovated new technologies and new ways of thinking about how people use technology are the ones prospering.

From: Glunt@work
19-Mar-14
The ability for incredibly smart folks with huge budgets to release crappy products and be surprised amazes me. Did MS hire the Crystal Pepsi guy to run the Win 8 focus groups?

From: Jim in Ohio
19-Mar-14
Bought me a Dell Windows 7 Desktop to replace my XP. Loved that XP computer and would still be using it but the hard drive is going out.

From: Anony Mouse
19-Mar-14
Jim...HD replacement very very easy. Just a few screws and no major expertise needed. If you even wanted to keep XP, you could.

From: Anony Mouse
19-Mar-14

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For those of you that want to stay with XP, see link. There is listed some things you can do to keep running XP with lesser risks.

I have a few CDs on hand that I would be willing to burn with Zorin or some other version of Linux. Check out some of the popular ones like Mint, Ubuntu, etc. There are some really small (in size)distros that run on older hardware (XP--see article) which can make the older hardware perform better.

Two ways to save money by not having to purchase a new computer.

Contact me if interested.

BTW: those who have/want Amazon Prime. Free 2-day delivery (if you buy a lot through Amazon)and access to Amazon Instant Video streaming and a few other bennies. Today is the last day you can purchase it for $79. Its price is going up to $99. If you have and want to get another year's subscription at the old price, you can do so by:

1. Cancel auto renew. 2. Purchase a gift card of Amazon Prime for yourself and set the delivery date to the date of your present subscription's expiration. Save yourself $20.

jack

From: Anony Mouse
19-Mar-14

From: Anony Mouse
20-Mar-14
Deal of the day: Freedom Pop

Unlimited voice: unlimited text: 4G Data for $5.75 and FREE activation. BYOD

From: HA/KS
20-Mar-14
They refuse to talk unless I give them contact info, mouse!

From: Two Feathers
20-Mar-14
I'm one of those XP guys that's going to have a problem. The last time I took my tower to the "fix it shop" they told me it was wore out. Either a mother board or hard drive was fixing to die but hasn't.

I am computer illiterate.

"If your business is your own, might be worth seeing if you can hire a computer geek kid from high school or local community college to look over what you have, your needs and help you with the upgrade transition." Good Advice!

From: tonyo6302
20-Mar-14

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Anyone remember these?

:^)

From: Anony Mouse
20-Mar-14
Henry...so? They need certain info from you to be able to provide info/service.

BTW: I highly recommend TING which runs on Sprint network. The absolutely BEST customer service I have experienced in years. No phone tree and they answer within a few rings. Customer service rep will email a contact ID within minutes after talking to them. When I had a small problem that needed to be fixed, I actually talked to the same rep who remembered my name!

Rates good: $6/month per line, varied rates for minutes/texts/data. They will auto raise or lower your bill depending on what you use...I have gotten credit for my next month's billing.

I have 2 smart phones, 500 minutes talk, 1000 texts and 100 G data for less than $30/month (before taxes and required fees).

Two Feathers: not much of a fix-it shop...sounds like they want to sell you a new computer. Some free diagnostic tools available. Hard drives easily replaced (you should have all your data backed up anyway as you have been warned! LOL)

Computers do wear out and have a lifespan. There are ways to extend that...from replacing components, total rebuild or a less demanding operating system (if it is not a physical problem). My mother has one of my old Toshiba laptops running Zorin--it's at least 10 years old.

Help is available.

jack

From: HA/KS
20-Mar-14
Use it every week on my computer, tony :-)

From: JD
20-Mar-14
Just switched from XP to Win 7 at work. I already like it better.

Use Win 8 at home...PITA!!!! (course I haven't done the 8.1 thing yet)

From: AZOnecam
20-Mar-14
migrate to Apple.

From: Anony Mouse
21-Mar-14

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Unless you have a need for high end graphics and photos, you pay more for an Apple's name than either capability or components. No knock on Apple, but for the majority of computer users and what they do on them, the PC will provide best personal use for the buck.

Two things:

1. First, and most important: Hard Drives fail--back up your data.

There's No Excuse for Not Backing Up Your Computer

2. A great deal on top of the line Chromebook(refurbished)--$150. This is a great computer for a back up or second one for wife/kids.

Chromebook

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If you're like me, you've been thinking of picking up a Chromebook as a backup laptop for awhile, but $200-$300 is just a little more than you want to spend. If that's the case for you, then today's the time to strike, with Amazon offering a refurb of one of the best models out there for only $150.

While most Chromebooks utilize underpowered ARM processors, the Acer C720 has been lauded for its best-in-class battery life and speedy performance, powered by an honest-to-goodness Intel chip. It's also the Commerce Team's choice for Best Chromebook and Best Cheap Laptop. Even if Chrome OS doesn't check all of your boxes, this laptop is perfectly capable for word processing, web browsing, and the like, and it costs less than your average monthly cable bill. [Amazon]

Update: They also have the C720P available for $220 refurbished. This model adds a touchscreen and double the flash storage. (Thanks Core.2!)

From: Jim in Ohio
21-Mar-14
Can't even fire my old XP up. Guess it is retired for good. That thing is like a tank, it must weigh 50 pounds. I had it backed up on Carbonite and some portable disk drives but still would have liked to fire it up.

Anyway my Dell Windows 7 desktop is doing everything my XP did including the remote and all the stereo speakers from my old computer.And it is a heck of a lot lighter.

From: Anony Mouse
21-Mar-14
Jim...glad you have back up. From what you said, your old computer's HD is going/gone. You can still probably gain access by making sure your BIOS boots from the optical drive before the HD (easy to do)and putting a recovery disc (Old XPs used to come with recovery discs)or a Live Linux CD. Once booted, there are a lot of free diagnostics that you can find out just what is failing.

Links of the evening:

This is no way to buy a Windows PC

Intel's desktop of the future very tablet-ish, tired

From: Anony Mouse
25-Mar-14
Just an upadate:

Article from Infoweek addresses the XP is dead issue and presents 9 options for dealing with it.

Offer on Zorin or other Linux distribution I have is still on table.

jack

From: Anony Mouse
25-Mar-14

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Factoid: 95% of ATMs run a version of XP.

A scam where compromised ATMs can spew cash upon receiving a txt message! (link)

From: Anony Mouse
25-Mar-14

Anony Mouse's Link

A little FYI on the relationship between Android, Google Chrome and Linux.

From: Jim Moore
26-Mar-14
Jack, sent you a PM.

From: Anony Mouse
26-Mar-14

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Jim...replied.

Tonight's deal: Get a refurbished Acer C710 Chromebook for $139.99

From: MI-Bowman
26-Mar-14
Is a chromebook good? One of my kids needs a laptop.

Cnet is a great site.

From: Anony Mouse
26-Mar-14
For the money, I would purchase a Chromebook before I spent more money for a Win 8 or Apple. Better bang for buck.

Not a great gaming computer I would guess, but I know little about computer games.

For school, email, browsing think that this would be a very good deal. Our school is using Google cloud for teacher's homework/classwork assignments, submitting homework and papers, etc. Chromebook was created with Google in mind.

Remember, while the Chromebook is oriented towards being connected to the Internet (wi-fi)and has a rather anemic hard drive, it is easy to add external storage via a USB drive, thumb drive or SD card.

For a kid taking it to school, the price is great if damaged as you could actually get a couple and put one away for a spare.

If I needed a machine now, I would definitely consider buying a couple just because of the price.

YMMV

jack

From: MI-Bowman
26-Mar-14
I will have my kid check it out. Thank you.

From: bluedog
26-Mar-14
Looks like Crucial has ssd drives for that Acer.. think they have a 240 g for $119. Be slick. sure you can up the ram cheap.

I'm tempted Bet i've got some ram sticks that would fit.

Know I'd be ruining the cheap rig concept..just me. I've got a toshiba laptop with the i5 in it..maybe 4 or 5years old..run 8G ram just cuz it's cheap and a 240 ssd. works for me. Still cheap, got the laptop free from brother when he decided he wanted a lighter setup for his Hong Kong, Little Rock and Savanna trips.

From: MI-Bowman
26-Mar-14
How secure would it be?

From: bluedog
26-Mar-14
Considering dusting off my ancient celeron powered lap top toshiba and trying Zorin or chrome in it.Use it in my garage if nothing else. it's just laying around. it has XP pro in it at present. My i5 toshiba has 7pro and i'm very satisfied with it.

From: Anony Mouse
26-Mar-14
The Chrome OS is probably a lot more secure than Windows and Apple's IOs.

Google paid over a half million dollars to a Hackingfest to attack the Chrome OS. The holes that were found were patched immediately.

Depending on how one uses a computer (any one)and what websites one visits, one's risk will vary. I run my Linux computer without firewall or antivirus and have done so for many years without any problems. Of course, I avoid much and am very careful as to what I open...even from friends ;o)

BTW: Microsoft just released the code for MS-DOS if anyone really cares. LOL

From: Anony Mouse
05-Apr-14
Been a busy week and just getting around to taking care of some business.

First, Jim Moore...check your Pms. Need some info from you before I burn the disk for you.

Next, wanted to pass on a really good deal that I came across a few days ago. For the price, this is a really good deal if you have an old XP computer you would like to get rid of and replace with a newer machine and avoid having to deal with Win 8. For most users, this computer will handle all your needs. It's only weaknesses are games, hard drive size and lack of an optical drive. The drive and optical weaknesses can be easily rectified via USB connected devices.

Get an Acer C720 Chromebook for $99

http://www.cnet.com/news/get-an-acer-c720-chromebook-for-99/?tag=nl.e796&s_cid=e796&ttag=e796&ftag=CAD7dba523

That's just one possible deal you can get from Best Buy when you trade in your old Windows XP system, which is good for a $100 credit. (see link)

Next, a couple of links about Mint as a replacement for Win XP.

Why Linux Mint is a worthwhile Windows XP replacement

Summary: XP's support life is quickly coming to an end. Fortunately for Windows XP users, there's a Linux desktop--Linux Mint--that has the same look and feel but with far better security and speed.

http://www.zdnet.com/why-linux-mint-is-a-worthwhile-windows-xp-replacement-7000027858/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61

Mint 15: Today's best Linux desktop (Review)

Summary: Mint isn't just an outstanding Linux desktop, it's the best new desktop operating system of any kind available now.

http://www.zdnet.com/mint-15-todays-best-linux-desktop-review-7000015691/

How to install Linux Mint on your XP PC

Summary: Installing Linux Mint on an XP PC is something any Windows power user can do.

www.zdnet.com/how-to-install-linux-mint-on-your-xp-pc-7000027900/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539&ftag=TRE17cfd61

If you are upset with Mozilla's response about the pressure from the hobosexual population, the solution is to drop Firefox and install an alternate browser. When you dump Firefox, make sure to sign the petition at Truth Revolt.: http://www.truthrevolt.org/petition/stop-mozilla-firefoxs-discrimination-against-conservatives

A good listing of browsers can be found at Filehippo:(http://filehippo.com/software/internet/

I am in the process of removing Firefox from my devices as I have found an alternative and am switching to Maxthon...has a lot of nice features, but I am still learning about its use. Might be worthwhile checking out as it runs on numerous platforms and can sync multiple devices. Some nice tools built in and seems to have a pretty good population of add-ons. Read today about some other alternatives that look like good candidates that you might check out:

Palemoon

Waterfox

Comodo Dragon

Epic

Sorta fixed.

Thanks, Dan. Must be brain-loggy this evening. Cannot see why my links did not work. HTML was formatted properly. Been trying to catch up on a bunch of computer stuff as I have not had time to accomplish things this week.

jack

From: bluedog
05-Apr-14
Think you have a glitch Jack. none of your links work..least not for me.

googled and found them though ;)

From: bluedog
05-Apr-14
jack.. I've decided to play with Linux in my old XP Celeron satelite Toshiba. Just used in garage..most important is Alldats shop manuals.

Trying to make up my mind between zorin and mint.. zorin comes loaded with Chrome I see. Chrome is my primary browser of choice. It does appear not impossible to load and run chrome in mint also.. even though Mozilla is standard. Not using Mozilla came long before latest hub bub for me.. Chrome is just soo good to me.

Decisions...

From: Anony Mouse
05-Apr-14
I run Chromium on my Mint linux computer...you can see the icon on my Cairo Dock, two to the right of the Firefox. Chromium is Chrome without Google environment...seems to be almost the same, less branding/focus on Google. I love DuckDuckGo for search engine.

I set up Zorin for my 93 year old mother with a very simple XP interface so she could use the computer. Worked well.

I think that Mint is a far far better OS than Zorin, though. You can make it "XPish" very easily, but the Cinnamon version is just so easy to transition from Windows that I cannot see going "back".

From that screen shot, you can see that I prefer a very clean screen with minimal icons. I love the fact that I can have multiple work spaces (I have 4, but occasionally have 6)--the bottom left. I like workspaces that switch easily via mouse or keyboard. Usually have (had) Firefox, Chromium and Thunderbird in separate workspaces with others open for other programs.

From: bluedog
05-Apr-14
Thanks for info..reckon I'll try mint 16.

Seem to only have blank cds no dvds. I'll try off a usb stick.

Watching the ball game..Target computer is in garage getting xp updates. Hadn't ran computer in over 2 years. Getting NINETY SEVEN Microsoft updates. ;)

From: Jim Moore
06-Apr-14
Jack, bee gone for a week and didn't check the site. Sent you a PM.

From: bluedog
07-Apr-14
jack..

I've got Linux Mint 16 Cinnamon up and running in my garage on my old Toshiba Celeron. Running it dual boot with XP.

I did clean up my old XP and it runs extremely well actually.

Got a short learning curve getting used to Mint..Was pleasantly surprised to discover I can access my Windows partition for files of documents, pictures and music.

Still a work in progress..installed Chrome for web same as my in house Win 7 computer. Still need to install driver for my Canon wireless and odds and ends.

And learn the OS.

Thanks again.

Like I said I've got XP running very well on it. Mint is a nice alternative though and fun stuff to learn.. I have firewall and AVG on my XP...plan on running Mint naked..

From: Jim Moore
08-Apr-14
Just $h!t-canned mozilla on 4 computers. Downloaded Comodo Ice 'Dragon. Seems very fast. Faster than FF I think, though its hard to tell. I think one of the only gripes with it is that its seems to be a slave to Yahoo, which I use for my default search engine anyway. You could probably drag a desktop icon though if you preferred google or some other. Kind of neat. 36 Meg and fast.

From: bluedog
08-Apr-14
I abandoned Fire Fox several years ago... I went Chrome and never looked back. Blazing fast and never a hang.

From: bluedog
08-Apr-14
BTW Jim.. if you dropped mozilla because of the recent firing, it appears Comodo is just a re branded offshoot of the mozilla product.

Linux mint Cinnamon came with Fire Fox in it...I used it 1 time.. just to download Chrome. Of course i guess a lot of people don't like Google either. I do.

My Widows 7 is still by far the best computer I've ever had. It's 10 feet tall and bullet proof.. Doesn't hurt that I'm running an I5 cpu and 8 gigs of ram and a SSD for a hard drive perhaps. ;)

From: Jim Moore
08-Apr-14
I will admit, Dan, that that had a lot to do with it. I am kind of getting fed up with the "tolerant" peoples intolerance. However, I was starting to get some hangups with FF on a couple of my computers anyway. Task Mgr was taching them out as of late with FF. Have been gravitating towards Chrome anyway.

Thought I'd give the Comodo a try. Had good reviews. As a knockoff of FF, it seems to out do its inspiration at this time. I don't think there is any hypocrisy here. Jack is playing with Maxthon and I may try that one too.

Like you, I typically use Chrome on my Windows 7 unit for the most part. I have a desk top using Vista (which I loathe) and it hardly ever gets fired up anymore.

My wifes system is using FF a lot as her real estate program likes that engine a lot better than IE. I think I saw where that particular program would like Chrome but I haven't messed with her system and won't. Thats her decision. I just troubleshoot it when needed.

Work computers are running XP and why they haven't went to 7 defeats me. Support has dried up on XP and I think its going to take one big security issue to change that.

Jack is hooking me with a couple of his OS's (Zorin and Mint). I will load them up on one of my dinosaur units at work to play with.

Fun topic for all that.

From: Anony Mouse
08-Apr-14
Dan: With your Mint, you using MATE or Cinnamon? I found I liked the Cinnamon w/the Cairo Dock best. As seen from my screenshot above, a very simple and clean interface.

BTW, Firefox by Mozilla is open source. Therefore, the code is free for others to use, modify and improve upon. There are a number of FF based browsers that provide tweeks to fit a specific need or "weakness" seen with Firefox. These derivatives have no connection to Mozilla.

That is why Chromium is very similar to Chrome, but free from the dictates/control of Google.

Open Source software has both good and bad aspects. Besides being free, some branches actually improve the original program. Unfortunately, in many cases, this may not be the case. LOL

FYI: Open Office branched to have Libre Office to provide continued development outside of corporate constrictions. I now use Libre and have not followed what OpenOffice has done.

I have found it useful to have several different browsers to use because some sites just run better under the alternative. I am now learning the ins and outs of Maxthon(seems pretty fast), which has the advantage of including both FF and Chrome rendering engines. Nice aspect of it is that it is very cloud oriented, such that I can very easily sync all of my electronics...phone, computers, tablet, etc. Thinking that I will be able to access info that the school's firewall blocks now if on one of my other devices. Will be checking that out when school gets off of Spring Break.

Jim...burning the latest of Zorin (8). Some improvements since last August. Downloads in progress as I type. Does the computer processor handle PAE? Need to know for Mint distro. If you don't know, tell me what processor it has. This is related to 32 bit processors.

From: bluedog
08-Apr-14
jack..

I installed Cinnamon 16 ...As I mentioned the biggest pleasant surprise was finding I could access my Windows XP partition for documents, pictures, etc. Unexpected and very nice.

I'm sure it's very obvious that I am not a computer nerd .. Have had much pleasure over the years messing with them though.. Always been kind of fearless with them. Just make sure I have redundancy on anything I value..

Always figured someday I'd play with Linux. This thread has been the catalyst to at last do that.. Looks like Cinnamon is evolved enough to where it's very intuitive and easy.. Can be as complex as i want it to be..

My Cinnamon came with Libre Office... seems very nice at first glance..

And.... with a reboot i still have my old friend.. XP. It's not like XP is suddenly going to self destruct. For my non commercial personal uses i expect XP to run forever..

Lastly... thanks jack for mentioning "Ting".. I'm one of the last to not have a cell phone. I've looked at Ting's web site and am actually considering for my wife and I.. Be handy if I could call her from the lake and tell her to get rid of Joe the grinder and get the frying pan on.. ;)

From: Anony Mouse
08-Apr-14
Dan...if you do go with Ting, use my referral code.

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From: bluedog
08-Apr-14
Thanks jack.....like most decisions I let them simmer for awhile.. 2 cell phones for $38 a month (plus the bs of course)... seems not too unreasonable.

From: bluedog
08-Apr-14
Here's a really nice thing for anybody using Windows 7... Found it awhile back and it's worth sharing.. Just copy and paste the name for new folder..

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

"1. God Mode It may be hyperbolically named, but Windows 7's God Mode is indeed omnipresent. It conveniently puts hundreds of settings from all around the operating system all in one place.

To turn on God Mode, create a new folder on your desktop--or anywhere you'd like--and name it: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}. Don't include the final period. The resulting folder will contain 270 items, representing virtually every configurable option in Windows 7."

From: Jim Moore
08-Apr-14
Jack, according to the properties on My Computer, it does support PAE. I am a bit weak on RAM (960M) so I hope that is not an issue.

Processor is an AMD Turion 64, 1.79 GHz.

Was thinking this old critter could run a bit better on something a little cleaner than XP.

From: Anony Mouse
09-Apr-14
Jim

Burned and tested the DVDs. Hopefully, they will be in the mail to you either today or tomorrow.

ZORIN 8 ROCKS!

I played around with the Live CD this morning a bit. Even though it is customizable as all Linux distros are, out of the box--wow! Very nice looking and clean. You have a choice on the fee download in Look Changer of Win 7, Win XP or Gnome 2. There is a premium version (small donation) that offers the looks of Ubuntu Unity, Win 2000 (!!!??!)and OSX.

Recognized my wireless network and printer upon boot. There are some hints not found on the Zorin site WRT installation, but easily found with a simple search. Biggest concern is when you get to "log on" set-up...do it one way and it could be a little confusing to non-Linux users.

jack

From: Jim Moore
09-Apr-14
So if this works on my meager little setup, I assume that I could "format C", then just install from the disk? Or will it just take over and not let XP operate in the background?

From: Anony Mouse
09-Apr-14
Jim...disks are in the mail: should receive Saturday.

You could dual boot and keep XP, but why with that machine? Make that decision after using the Live Disk for a while, remembering that Zorin will be somewhat slow due to optical drive access rather than HD. When I dual booted, I had my Linux using MS file structure such that I could access my data from either OS. It became onerous when I found that I rarely booted to XP, so I reinstalled eliminating the XP.

I have a Portege Ultrabook that I dual booted because I found an occasional need to get to Win 7 to help with someone's problem. I played around with Virtual Box and discovered I could run Win 7 in that (MS won't recognize my registration for the copy of their OS which came with the computer. Screw them)--it still works and serves its occasional purpose.

The Live CD will take care of everything. No real need to "format C" as the installation will change partitions. If there is any data that you wish to retain on that computer with XP, back it up to a USB stick, optical disk or external HD.

The nice thing is that you can go through the entire install program to see what the setting options are, but can back out before actual install.

Linux uses a different file formats than MS, but you can read those MS files. The biggest problem switching to Linux is a change in terminology.

I think that you will find it pretty easy to transition to Zorin and will like it. Make sure you report back in a couple of months ;o)

From: Anony Mouse
09-Apr-14

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Here's your deal of the day (For Android users).

50G of backup space and 50 G of sync space: $0.99/ year...and every year!

A mere 99 cents buys you 50GB of iDrive storage -- but you need Android to get it.

Cloud storage is no longer an oddity -- it's a necessity. You need it not only to back up your most prized data (while at the same time keeping local backups, natch), but also to sync your files, photos, and the like between your various devices: phones, tablets, PCs, and so forth.

Ah, but which cloud-storage service should you choose? There are tons of them, and they're getting more competitive all the time. And here's one of the hotter deals I've seen to date: You can get 50GB of iDrive storage for 99 cents per year. The catch? It's for Android users and new iDrive customers only.

In other words, you need an Android device on which to install the iDrive Online app and sign up for an account. Also, I should clarify that you're actually getting 50GB of backup space and 50GB of sync space. That's a little vague, but it's still a pretty spectacular deal if you're an Android user.

When iDrive first told me about this, I was sure they meant 99 cents for the first year, then a more typical $50 to $100 each year after that. But a company rep told me in no uncertain terms: "It will be the same [99 cents] a year from now. [This is not] a first-year discount or limited-time offer."

Also, it's worth noting that, although you need an Android device to take advantage of this offer, once you have your iDrive account, you can use it across all platforms: Windows, Windows Phone, Mac, Linux, Android, and iOS.

Because this offer just went live (I've literally been waiting for them to throw the switch), I haven't had time to put iDrive through its paces. I do know that it can automatically back up your mobile data (including photos and videos), a great perk, and that the Android app has pretty high ratings (4.2 stars on average) on the Play Store.

So if you're in the market for copious cloud storage on the cheap, you'd be crazy not to give iDrive a try. It's a buck. One buck. For the whole year.

From: bluedog
09-Apr-14
Cloud storage is interesting..Be more interesting if i wasn't using a pretty slow dsl ... Uploads are like watching corn grow.

Any cases of cloud companies folding and people losing all their data? Just being paranoid and semi anal..

From: Anony Mouse
09-Apr-14
Dan...Canconical just announced that their cloud storage, Ubuntu One, will go bye-bye this summer. Economically they could not compete with Google's rates for cloud storage. Users have been forewarned so they can make arrangements.

I've started using the cloud more and more for certain activities. A good example is that the school blocks a number of websites (because of their URL or content). For things I want to share with some of the students, I can save the pages in the cloud to view at school.

There are a number of free cloud storage sites. Think, especially now with the iDrive, I have over 100G of free storage accessible from all my devices.

From: Anony Mouse
09-Apr-14

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PSA for the evening.

Link for Win 8 users that wish they had XP:

FORGET THE END OF LIFE WOES: WINDOWS 8 HAS AN XP MODE

From: Jim Moore
09-Apr-14
Jack, thanks for the OS and the advice. I will let you know how she rolls.

From: Anony Mouse
09-Apr-14

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BREAKING: Mozilla Releases Firefox ThoughtCrime Plug-Ins Suite – ‘One-Click’ Report A Christian

via The People’s Cube

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Moments ago Special Investigator, Oleg, sent Sad Hill this breaking ‘EXCLUSIVE’ news from the field. Word on the street is, Mozilla is now working closely with Obama, the EPA, the IRS and the DHS on 4 complementary plug-in suites designed to ‘securely enhance everyone’s browsing experience’:

BIG BROTHER: Mozilla Releases Firefox ‘ThoughtCrime’ Plug-Ins

Mozilla has launched a new browser called BackFireFox. But seriously, folks, what’s the firing of some Mozilla CEO with old-fashioned views on marriage compared to the potential advancements in technology the progressive Mozilla team can unleash once it’s been liberated from this guy’s heteronormative oppression?

All Brendan Eich has ever done was invent JavaScript. But we all know that the world-wide proletarian revolution is being organized according to a different script, which does not involve Java.

Here is just a small sampling of new Mozilla plug-ins, extensions, and themes proposed by us on Twitter hashtag #NewMozillaAdOns.

Drudge Block

Shovel-Ready Jobs Locator

E-Z Tantrum Scheduler

Hyperventilation Tantrum Protocol

The Current Truth status updates

Thoughtcrime Analyzer

“Denounce your Neighbor” auto-fill function

Gulagosphere Migration Tool

Guilt Acceleration Plug-in

Thought-Corrective Action

One-Click Report-a-Christian

Browser Reeducation Camp

Opinion Block Plus

Thanks for the report, Oleg! Future Mozilla Add-Ons we can all look FORWARD to:

Delete HomeSchooler Cache

Reset Tea Party Preferences

Duplicate Hybrid Vehicle Owner

Send Mozilla Bullying Report

Open Oppression In New Window

Reload Dictator 2014

Close All Open Business Tabs

American Citizen Wipe

Child Counter Pro

Diversity Status Bar

Intolerance Chart Generator 2.0

Pin-Drop Conservative Household Target Mapping Heterosexual Site Warning

Boycott Chic-Fil-A Blog Enhancer

Embed ‘Google Does No Evil’ CSS Style Sheet (improved Obama search/result algorithms)

Add Effeminate ObamaCare Hipster Photo To Sidebar

Auto-Select Pro-Socialist MSM Poll Radio Button Widget (WordPress, Apple only)

IP Address Conversion Bot (previously known as Vote Multiplier Extension) etc…

From: Anony Mouse
14-Apr-14

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Remember back when Obama was running for the first Presidential election and the great TBVIEC hisself touted the winderkid's intellect and greatness...?

Remember how the Chicago Jesus was to bring all sorts of magical wondrous unicorns for great accomplishments...

And the technological wonders of the ACA website...

Continuing in the (mis)management of this country's government, the all powerful enforcement arm of Obamunism demonstrates that it too plods down the path of FAIL:

IRS MISSES XP DEADLINE, PAYS MICROSOFT MILLIONS FOR CUSTOM SUPPORT

The IRS isn't exactly known for playing fast and loose with deadlines—your deadlines, that is. But when it comes to its own, its apparently a lot more willing to take their chances. In this case, that means paying millions of dollars to keep running Windows XP long after the deadline has come and gone.

As we all know, Microsoft cut its support for XP on April 8, a date it drilled into our heads over, and over, and over again. Nevertheless, April 8 came and went with the IRS still having failed to update over half of its computers to Windows 7. Of course, with tax day less than 24 hours away, the IRS can't exactly risk leaving any part of its system vulnerable, so it'll fork over millions to Microsoft for custom security and support.

Isn't it about time for Mooch to go on another vacation?

From: Anony Mouse
16-Apr-14

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Here is a deal for those in business having to deal with Win XP death:

GOOGLE OFFERS $100 OFF CHROMEBOOK PRICES TO XP SWITCHERS

"... Amit Singh, president of Google Enterprise, announced in a blog post Tuesday that any business considering Chromebooks will receive discounts on the Chrome devices if they purchase before June 30.

If you purchase Chromebooks through Google's Chromebooks for Business program, your company will receive $100 off each managed device it purchases. Considering the average price of a Chromebook hovers around $300, this is a big deal. In addition, Google is offering the following discounts for employees that need access to desktop apps on their Chromebooks:

1. Business can also get an additional $100 off each Chromebook if you purchase it with VMware Desktop as a Service (DaaS)

2. Companies also receive 25% off Citrix XenApp Platinum Edition (including AppDNA software to speed up Windows XP migration)..."

From: Anony Mouse
18-Apr-14

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Dan (and anyone else using Mint):

Some tips and tweaks that might be of interest.

  • Sitka Gear