TBB
Thinking of staring the NBA. National Bow association because after they go for our guns the bows will be next. Then the knives and bats. Then they will want to chop off our hands so we cant use those as a weapon.
Its all for the kids after all.
They need to buzz off and leave our weapons alone.
Bad things happen sometimes. Its the cost of a free society.
I'm not sayng don't join, they accomplish a lot. Just saying don't blindly trust any organizationthis big that exists only when the threat they fight against exists. The worse things are for gun owners, the better the NRA does. Don't think for a minute that simple concept goes unnoticed to the NRA.
*Tightens strap on tinfoil hat
Muddy, no disrespect sir, but just what is an " assault " rifle? If you are referring to the AR 15 types, I use mine to assault coyotes and pigs. When I am not using them , they reside in my gun safe where they behave themselves exactly as my lever guns, my bolt actions , and my single shots. Ain't caught 'em misbehaving yet ! And as for the plastic gun, that was the drivel started by the anti-gun crowd when the Glock pistol made it's debut. Sorry to be the one to burst their bubble, but it just ain't so ! You have to have some steel parts if you want to actually FIRE a gun.
Only a spring.
My wife is an NRA member but I'm not. I was for many years and my dad was a member from 20 years old to 97 years old. They do a lot of good but waste more money than Obama and Michelle. Their book work is just absolutely awful. Year after year I would pay and then get a letter that my membership was expired. I talked to them on the phone and they would apologize but it kept happening. I just decided not to put up with it any more.
Example facing us soon (H/T:Weasel Zippers)
82 House Dems Send Letter To Obama Asking Him To Issue Decree Banning Import of “Military-Style Firearms”…
According to Dems anything more advanced than a musket is a “military-style” weapon.
Washington, D.C. – Today, Representative Eliot L. Engel (D-NY), Ranking Member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and John Conyers Jr. (D-MI), Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee, led an 82 member letter to President Barack Obama urging him to renew enforcement of the ban on imported military-style firearms that was previously enforced during the H.W. Bush and Clinton administrations. Enforcing this ban would serve the dual purpose of improving public safety in the U.S. and reducing drug-related violence in Mexico, where there have been approximately 70,000 organized-crime related deaths since December 2006. Imported military-style firearms have been used in recent mass shootings in the United States and are frequently trafficked into Mexico where they fall into the hands of the country’s brutal drug trafficking organizations.
Enforcing the import ban would require no congressional action as the President has very broad authority under the 1968 Gun Control Act to prohibit the importation of firearms and ammunition unless they are “generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.”
Ranking Member Engel said: “Military-style firearms should have no place in our communities. Restoring the import ban is a no-brainer that would require no legislative action, would make our nation safer and would support neighboring Mexico where drug violence is fueled by firearms flowing south from the United States.”
Ranking Member Conyers said: “We must do all we can to reduce the unacceptable level of daily gun violence in America, and I believe we can do more to address the problem of military-style assault weapons imported into this country. I ask that the President and the Administration take steps to update and reinvigorate this ban and help keep more of these weapons from getting to our streets.”
One or all, take your pick. I've been members of all at one time or another. Currently RMGO.
Hammer's Link
Here is a link and a video to a plastic gun that used a nail for a firing pin and it held up for at least 2 shots according to the story.
That right there is why I've been a member since I was 16, a life member since I was 25, and an endowment life member for the past 15 years.
Are they perfect? Hell no. But I firmly believe that they are THE reason why we still have the 2A rights that we still have.
Imagine if even HALF of the people who own firearms became members....the anti-gun politicians would be p***ing blood!
For whatever little pizzant things you might object to, all you need to remember is this:
The gun-grabbing, Anti-2A liberals on the left fear the NRA with everything they've got. They know how politically powerful the NRA can be come election time and it scares the pants off them.
I'm a member because of all of the Pro 2A organizations out there, they are the most organized and in my view the most effective organization on the national front line of the assaults on the 2A.
"Yeah, Obama/Reid/Schumer/Pelosi confiscated all my firearms. But at least crossbows aren't legal during the archery season, and that's good enough for me!"
I fear we have all been put on a government watch list and the bold print is the way they identify us.
Agreed.
Would you hold it? NOT ME!! LOL
The crazy part is that it wont be to long and the technology will be there to make guns like that on a regular basis that will be of decent quality.
Heck even the add-ons box is showing bold print.
What did you do NGU? LOL.
Like sundowner, some day I may own firearms, it sounds like it could be fun!
I don't want to see Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton with no pants!!
The NRA helps protect the 2A and they have a much louder voice than I do.
I do not hunt with a crossbow.
If they can rob you of your birthright to keep and bear arms, then they can rob you of all your other birthrights also. If one is compromised then none of them are safe.
The 2nd amendment would be a shadow of it's self if it weren't for the NRA. They typically rank and the most effective lobbying organization in D.C. and for good reason.
Many complain about their marketing but. imagine what folks would be complaining about if the NRA didn't do what it does...and well.
The NRA is the most effective group (IMO) for combating the left's ANTI agenda!
The crossbow argument is lame in my opinion. I had to use one before I had total shoulder replacements in 2012/13. They are not what everyone thinks they are.
Someday we may be reduced to concealed carry crossbows when the gun grabbers get their way.
It was the NRA that ponied up with money and lawyers to defend Urban Bowhunting in Virginia. The ATA was the lead, then the NRA stepped in with the cash and expertise, to help the ATA win the fight.
P & Y ? VBA ? No where to be found, Archers in the Old Dominion were left high and dry, except for the ATA and NRA.
Undoubtedly the most powerful Gun Rights group out there. If 25% of gun owners were members, I believe that we'd see very little legislation that hurt our cause.
Pretty pathetic when out of an estimated 80 to 100 million gun owners only 5 million join. $25 a year people.
I support them fully, and NO I don't agree with all of their positions. I am also an NRA Recruiter, and usually use my small commissions to buy memberships for the truly stubborn.
For those who choose not to join, I sincerely hope that you choose another organization or three to support. Gun Owners of America (GOA), is one worth checking out. They are a No Compromise Gun Rights Group that makes the NRA look like sissies. I support them both. And several others.
We all have to ask ourselves, what do we stand for? And how will we support those that fight along side of us?
NRA Memberships make great gifts, and you can add a spouse or a kid (or anyone) as an Associate Member for $15 (no magazine).
And for those who say they get bugged all the time for more money: Really? So all those spam emails and regular junk mail you get are ok, but a couple of calls from the NRA are too much to take?
This is from the FAQ on the NRA site:
Q: How can I reduce the amount of mail I receive from the NRA?
A: Simply email us at [email protected] or dial 800-NRA-3888 and request to be placed on the "Do Not Promote" list. This will significantly reduce the amount of mail you receive without affecting important mailings, magazine service, or your membership renewal.
As others have mentioned, they are not perfect and I disagree with them in some areas, but the areas where I do agree with them and the tangible good they have done for me as a gun owner AND a free American far outweigh any negatives.
Sorry. I was a life member and have given them thousands of dollars during my lifetime to protect my gun rights. I flat out quit them, I've been removed from their membership rolls. Made it very clear to them I'm no longer their man. Still wanting to file a class action lawsuit to get my donations back because of the NRA's misuse of those funds. The NRA wasn't standing with the Bundys, they are standing with their good friend Harry Reid.
juneaulongbow's Link
$20 for a year...
$35 at NRA.
I'm not a member at either one, just playing devil's advocate.
The NRA is the 3000 pound gorilla in the room.
I realize $20-35 isn't much money but I have other financial obligations and honestly it's not really on my mind to join. I really don't join many organizations. I don't care to be hassled by the NRA or get junk mail from them. I've seen a few other complaints in some of the posts above.
If everyone on this thread promises to join the GOA, I'll join too. They are "the only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington." - Ron Paul
You may want to find out just who was the most active and influential pro gun group who recently worked to recall two anti-gun Colorado legislators. How tangible is that? They also worked w/ Magpul to put Colorado gunowners at the front of the line for high cap magazines when they were outlawed. They also worked with county Sheriffs to encourage non enforcement of those new gun control laws. Is that tangible enough for you? Others may have other examples.
Ron Paul ineffectual, why because Republicans subverted him as well? LOL.
I am all for supporting the NRA if you want to but calling GOA ineffective is patently false. I have supported both and other groups too and will continue to do so.
Geez, man, lighten up on GOA and RP. They are on your side.
If you asked 10 rabidly anti-gun legislators who the GOA was I'll bet that 9 would have no idea what GOA even stands for.
People should belong to NRA for the reasons you stated. GOA is a fine organization. Just want people to know first hand that belonging to both or either is money well spent.
I'll take that $10 bet too. I'll start with the two Colorado legislators. John McCain, Harry Reid, Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Diane Feinstein, Peter Buckley, John Hickenlooper, Michael Dembrow, Cuomo, Bloomberg. I guarantee you every liberal gungrabber out there knows who Larry Pratt is.
Now pay up. :>)
Oops, guess it wasn't $10. I'll take a cup of joe.
Sorry Nar...they're definately on the team, but still in the "minors".
Nothing minor league about him. Smart. He is a playa. LOL.
If there were 10 minor issues (like crossbows) on which I disagreed with the NRA, I would still support their efforts to fight for the 2A.
Ace's Link
Get on board people, both of these organizations need us. And they are both damn effective. The NRA because of their size and reputation, and GOA because they DO NOT compromise. They are a force make no mistake about that.
And now for the Soapbox portion of this message:
If you don't help, these groups are doing it anyway, just less effectively, so you are essentially free loading on the rest of the members.
Speaking for myself, if you can't afford it, really can't afford it, or choose to support other pro rights organizations, I am OK with that.
But if you're just lazy or too cheap to join, then I resent having to carry people like you. Lot's to do, easy to pass the buck, but my gun rights mean too damn much to me not to fight for them, and fight hard.
I'm glad that most of the best people I know are on my side!
I must say though that I am disappointed with the NRA for endorsing Mitch McConnell for Senator in 2014.
They got involved in Montana politics and sided with the game farm industry first. Sportsman across Montana were fighting for our wildlife and they took the wrong side. No side would have been better.
The sided with the outfitters on a bunch of issues too. I-161 was one of those.
The worked with the tea party during election time and got good moderate republicans defeated in primary elections.
I'll never be a NRA man again.
So what do you do?
If you don't support a 2nd Amendment group like NRA, GOA, some state chapter in your area or another 2nd Amendment organization you don't deserve the 2nd Amendment protections others are fighting to protect. Where are the ethics in that?
That is my opinion although several others here obviously disagree.
Interesting...... fundamental rights eligibility measured according to check book donation to a political organization..
Shoots-Straight's Link
They want to test and slaughter our elk herds in the name of Brucellosis, and use hunter dollars to pay for game proof fencing around range lands.
They want Bison to be controlled by the Department of livestock.
They attack our stream access laws and side with the ultra wealthy to overturn them.
They back the ultra wealthy in trying to take our best hunting grounds. (See link) The guy that wrote the LTE is one of our Tea Bagger Senators, telling us whats good for us. He won't deny that label. He hates sportsmen.
They fought for a law that put limits on elk herds in the state of Montana, and those objectives were picked by the livestock industry.
So that's why I'm not joining or supporting the NRA here in Montana. They support the Tea Baggers here.
They are for gun rights though.
Self protection is indeed a fundamental right. Every person on the planet deserves that right. Failure to support organized groups that defend that right is a failure of the individual to support those political organizations or even politicians that believe in that fundamental right. If you can't afford it, that is understandable. By your vote it is not, at least not to me. Your mileage may very.
You put sportsmens issues above the fundamental human rights of the individual to self protection.
As a Libertarian and TP supporter over establishment Republicans, I don't believe those two issues to be mutually exclusive in most cases. Though I must admit, I haven't given them much thought.
I think you have some confused TP legislators if all the cases you state are factual. I don't know about internal Montana politics to any great degree so find it difficult to respond to them.
I suspect, since you use the insulting liberal term "teabaggers", you may be painting the TP with an unnecessarily broad brush. That has been my experience with those who use the term. That, or they're not really conservatives at all.
