Seattle Socialist Group Pushing $20/hr Min. Wage Offers $13/hr for Web Developer
It’s sometimes said that if some people didn’t have double standards, they’d have no standards at all. That applies to the Freedom Socialist Party. (continued at link)
The liberal progressive Obamunists have made great publicity with their war on the Republican Party with the meme of a "war on women"; yet time and time again it has been shown that they themselves are complicit as described in the linked article. LOL
Clueless.
"But I meant well" is their religion's absolution.....
Obviously, you're a product of common core.
"In the real world, when negotiating, you always start high."
True, but you don't start so high that you're dropped from any negotiation because you're deemed unrealistic.
In the real world, half of that $20 starting point (which is actually $10, not $13) would be a more reasonable starting point for negotiating.
Following your model, that halfway point for Seattle would actually be $14.66 (based on a minimum wage for Washington state of $9.32.
My point was that a $20 starting negotiating point is/would be ludicrous, and half of that would be a much easier sell.
The oppposite is also true.
Two things that should be required before you graduate from high school;
Care for an infant 24-7 for a week
Help run a business with multiple employees for a week
I guarantee if these liberals spent some time in my shoes in the real world....they wouldn't think the way they do
Neither are you "doc"!
In this world one gets paid what they are worth. Unskilled labor is worth $7.25. If it where automatically and artificialy set at $20. What of those semi skilled workers is it fair that hey are making the same as a part time worker or drop out burger flipper?
So if we give the semi skilled 30, what then of the skilled and so on up the ladder.
Your Henry Ford scenario is flawed. He knew the workers would never work in his sweat shop at the low prevailing wages. It would be better and easier for them to go be coopers, shoemakers, wainwrights etc. So that greedy capitalist Ford raised his wages to keep workers so he could realize his dream.
Same mechanics work today. You get paid what you are worth to the boss.
Do something worth more than $7.25 and you'll be paid more than $7.25, if they insist on paying you minimum wage and you are really worth more, someone else will obviously pay you more.
I'm a headhunter, I deal with people and their careers and their salaries every day. Why should a business owner be forced to pay an employee something other than what he thinks they are worth? Oh yeah, I forgot, it's because they didn't build that. The business owner should remember that the Federal Government is responsible for his success, it's wasn't his efforts, and his risk and his sweat. Funny how most of the people who feel this way work for governments, schools, unions etc.
Do Liberals realize that they're beyond Liberalism on this, they're espousing full blown Socialism?
Matt Finney, you may want to take an economics class or two. It sounds like you could use them.
On second thought...never mind. It'd just be a waste of the instructor's time.
BTW, how I vote has absolutely nothing to do with my next pay raise. How I perform my job and how those on my staff perform theirs determines that.
And lastly, hold the fries.
Yes, they do realize it. Full blown Socialism is their goal.
Maybe they will disappear after the elections.
You know, like greasy, disease infested rats, sliding back into their dark filthy sewer hole.
Mike in CT's Link
Last time I checked Sparky 1914 was a bit before 1938, the year the minimum wage law was enacted (see link). If you're not sure about the math get a few liberal troll friends and between the 3 of you you'll have enough fingers and toes to do the math.
As to the second part about workers affording one of his cars, again your ignorance of the facts is truly staggering.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/
Even Paul Krugman who is wrong on economic matters almost as frequently as you saw the wisdom in this action.
Apparently the stockholders and BOD do....what's it to you anyway what a CEO makes? Other than envy....'Sides I think professors, assistant prof's and research assistants are not worth what they are paid. However that falls under the category of NMFB.
Minimum wage is entry level. Raise it and you will slam that entry door to a great many people getting and having jobs.
For that matter.... much of the "child" labor laws have screwed this country up. It's near impossible to hire a even a high school kid for all the rules.... once hired there is very little they are allowed to do. So kids are raised not having the self discipline learned by good honest hard work. Learn very few actual skills. Denied the self reliance of having made their own spending money, learning to save for what they want. Given an "allowance" that they will never appreciate nearly as much as money they earned by their labors.
They are however allowed to sit around, play video games, watch movies, hang out at mall's etc. bored and looking for trouble. All they learn is avoiding hard work and develop a completely bloated self centered self image. Learn to become liberal leftists who think the world owes them something for simply existing.....
That pretty much tells us what sort of job Dock has doesn't it? I wonder who is paying his bills.
By the way, all of us who own (or have owned) a business, should be enlighten Dock with the stories about the weeks or months we got NO income? Minimum wage? yeah right! When you are an entrepreneur, you pay yourself after the employees get paid, and the rent gets paid, and the supplies are ordered. Sometimes, you get no pay check, and the risk is all ours, so too should be most of the reward. Sorry O, I sure as hell DID BUILD THAT!
Now thats Spouting some aged academic BS- not even close to the real world.
I've actually run a company for 37 years and I can tell you your statement is far from real life.
You said "These guys are voting in the best interest of billionaires, while voting against their own pay raise (everyone in the middle class would also see a raise due to workforce competition)."
Have you ever looked at who donates to what parties. Democrats take in a crap ton more money from billionaires then republicans. What in the H are you talking about. Do some ^&*^ research.
You are spouting political talking points that are based on lies.
At Dock's last performance review he asked if he was going to get a raise. The answer disappointed him, his boss said: "A raise? Hell, the only reason I pay you as much as I do, is that it would be a violation of federal law to pay you any less".
If it's a teacher...... I'm sensing tenured.... on cruise control... thinks the whole world should be....
Country really need to get rid of that tenure hammock.... obviously creates a lazy sense of entitlement.....
This past year I received well over a 10% raise not including a bonus. Wanna know why? Wanna know why this Sr Machine Designer of automation with only a two year degree was rewarded in such a manner? I add value to my company. I have busted my ass , not by doing minimum skill jobs, but by taking on more and more responsibilities while adding skills that make me a valuable asset..
If your greatest skill is to ask " do you want a large fry with that?" Then guess what? You're worth $7.25 an hour. Period.
Minimum wage was never intended to support a family. Stop pretending it was.
cool, I suggest you tip them as you walk out then. I'm sure you could afford it as well....
When it gets hard to fill those positions and they don't have 50 applications for every opening the pay will go up.... guaranteed.
You guys are totally clueless as to what even a $7.25 an hour pay rate works out to actual labor costs in the end. Unemployment, workers comp, SS, TDI, healthcare and other benefits, not counting the time, expense and paperwork to deal with just having one person on the payroll. You wouldn't know because you've never created a job, hired anyone or had to make a payroll in your lives. If you had we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
The government both fed and state is oppressive in their reports and requirements. Withholding, filing other peoples taxes FOR them, in essence being the tax collector for the government.... It would be an entirely different country if each person had to sit down, use THEIR time to fillout the forms and write that check every month or every quarter to the government out of their own account. Then they would really see what's going on in this country rather than look at a "refund check" as a bonus every year....
I've had more than a couple years lately where minimum wage was lookin' pretty good when you put in 70-80 hour weeks for less, sometimes nothing, even red numbers for a while. Please excuse me if I seem less than sympathetic.
If you aren't makin' it part time, get more work, get another job. Same applies if 40 hours isn't enough. If all you can do is change out fry baskets then do something to improve your skills, night class, show some initiative, something. Start your own business. If not... you are where you are because you chose not to change.
But back to the OP..... yeah, the hypocrisy so thick you could cut it with a knife.....
100% yes.
Close the border; enforce immigration laws. Then turn labor laws, unemployment insurance, welfare, environmental regulations, etc. back to state control.
If a state or lesser government unit wants an $87.50 minimum wage, let them have it. We would soon learn the impact of a high minimum wage. Maybe we would all soon be clamoring for it where we live. Our local politicians would have to listen because they have to live with us.
Socialist Party: There Should be a $20 Minimum Wage, But Our Employees Should be Exempt
In a story broken by Pundit Press, the Seattle Socialist Party is offering Web Developers employment at $13 an hour, despite pushing for a $20 minimum wage.
Now, in a follow up interview, the party insists that it should not be held to its own standards.
“We’re practicing what we’re preaching in terms of continuing to fight for the minimum wage,” Doug Barnes, the Freedom Socialist Party’s national secretary, told the Huffington Post. “But we can’t pay a lot more than $13.”
Apparently completely unaware of his own hypocrisy, Barnes added that he personally supports a $22 an hour minimum wage.
Socialist Party: There Should be a $20 Minimum Wage, But Our Employees Should be Exempt by Aurelius • October 20, 2014
In a story broken by Pundit Press, the Seattle Socialist Party is offering Web Developers employment at $13 an hour, despite pushing for a $20 minimum wage.
Now, in a follow up interview, the party insists that it should not be held to its own standards.
“We’re practicing what we’re preaching in terms of continuing to fight for the minimum wage,” Doug Barnes, the Freedom Socialist Party’s national secretary, told the Huffington Post. “But we can’t pay a lot more than $13.”
Apparently completely unaware of his own hypocrisy, Barnes added that he personally supports a $22 an hour minimum wage.
“The right-wing attack is very hypocritical,” Barnes continued. “These are the same people who fought against the minimum wage and support companies like Walmart.”
Barnes is unaware, it seems, that conservatives who blasted the Socialist Party’s ad did not do so because they want a $20 minimum wage, but because the Socialists did, then wanted to pay their workers less.
Barnes ironically then complained that the Socialist Party could not afford to pay much more than $13 an hour. Again, he is apparently unaware that this is the same reason small businesses are against the law.
Doclogic at its best...
I think if you're really a big shot in the Dem. party you don't even have to pay your illegal nannies at all.... just feed em and keep them locked up in the basement.... hey, they have cable....
"But like me, theres a growing sentiment that the right to conduct business is earned by being a good corporate citizen —
by producing products and delivering services responsibly, hiring responsibly, generating profits responsibly, and finally, sharing profits with those who help produce them and with the wider community from which the revenues are drawn."
It's a beautiful thing, like soft puppies, rainbows and unicorns. 'Cept it's being advocated by those who have never run a business. And never will.
Let's remember this astute prediction as Nov 5 comes around.
I can hear Doc now: "But, but, but.... NONE of the races won by Republicans were 'major!'"
Pete
You will stop after the elections anyway, troll.
That's when your pay stops.
That alone tells me nothing. Where they are located, by district, may or may not mean anything. It depends upon how many, where, and what percentage vote a certain way. If you are just a talking point repeating robot with no synapses firing, then I expect a post like that.
There seems to be a pattern that is discernible to all but the Obamunists who blot out the world seen through their rose colored glasses with the fog of party talking points.
With all the talk of "living wages" and "increase of minimum wages", it seems that there is a disconnect with reality...the Dems have been shown to pay women/interns less and seem to find excuses for their failures of actions. In their world, words speak louder than action.
The GOP will pick up house seats in this election. And the unknowing will believe it is a messaging problem on the part of the Democrats instead of America reacting to almost six years of worse than epic failure.
— Then His Team Was Fined $500 and Coach Suspended for an ‘Absurd’ Reason
Eight-year-old Elijah Burrell had just intercepted a pass late in the game and did what came naturally.
The kid in the #2 jersey tucked in the pigskin and headed for the end zone. Touchdown! Elijah’s first one ever.
Except there was one big — and expensive — problem with the otherwise happy moment.
His undefeated Lawrenceville Black Knights were ahead 32-0 in the fourth quarter — and Elijah’s interception return for a touchdown eclipsed the peewee league’s 33-point mercy rule, WGCL-TV in Atlanta reported.
The penalty? A $500 fine. But not only that: The Knights’ coach earned a weeklong suspension.
Elijah’s mother, Brooke Burdett, said her son was “beyond excited” in the moment and wasn’t thinking about the mercy rule.
“He had no idea,” she told WGCL. “This is his first year. This was his first touchdown. He is an 8-year-old boy making a pick-six.”
Burdett said the team would have accepted a $100 fine but the $500 penalty and the coach’s suspension is excessive, particularly because her son wasn’t trying to run up the score. In fact, she said, the Knights tried to let the other team score on the next play but the other squad refused to catch the ball.
“For the league to think we intentionally went out there to run the score up is absurd,” Chando John, another football mom, told WGCL.
John has been connected to the Knights for three years and said she’s tired of the mercy rule.
“How do I explain to an 8-year-old kid that your coach has been suspended because your teammate unintentionally scored?” John asked.
DEMS ON FEC MOVE TO REGULATE INTERNET CAMPAIGNS, BLOGS, DRUDGE
In a surprise move late Friday, a key Democrat on the Federal Election Commission called for burdensome new rules on Internet-based campaigning, prompting the Republican chairman to warn that Democrats want to regulate online political sites and even news media like the Drudge Report...
Mooch (under this journalist's impression)is in the same category of rule maker as those faceless bureaucrats that sit behind desks and procreate reams and reams of rules and regulations to control our lives. However, in Mooch's case, kids get inedible lunches while she feeds at the trough.
He got his azz handed to him on at least two threads I've been following and appears to now be too embarrassed from being outed on his own stupidity to respond.
Too bad as I have another gift:
Hit the cc button for translation.
This is a perfect example of how the TBVIECian mind works: tell them something that they have an innate belief in, and it does not matter what they are provided--it will be accepted based upon belief.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SMpyIotUwoo
Yes.
Minimum wage increases are pay cuts for the middle class.
Smaller middle class with a larger upper class is the result and the upper class convinces people to blame the corporations when the actual cause is the minimum wage.
If the Democrats really wanted to help the worker rather than themselves they would push wealth distribution through Earned Income Credit.
HA/KS's Link
From the link:
Since 2000, Congress has beefed up the earned income tax credit, and expanded programs providing direct benefits to low and middle income workers, including ObamaCare and Medicaid, food stamps, and rent and mortgage assistance.
Those buy votes but do little to encourage work.
