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Put your faith in Him, not in a Catholic priest.

Matt, how do you benefit from trying to convince others that God doesn't exist? What is your purpose? Is it in some way hurtful to you that your fellow man may have faith in a Higher Power?

Excellent post, sundowner.

To ME God does exist !!!!!!! I have Faith.

In the atrocities that happen against man it is Satan's doings NOT God.

My beliefs are just that MINE.

God does not promise a perfect world or that all persons are good. He provided us with the means, a brain to think for ourselves, to believe in him or not.

Never did actually believe in any gods. Attended Sunday school without thinking much about why until I had the realization one day while actually reciting that week's assignment, that I DIDN'T actually believe a word of it to be true....and that I was expected to accept it as fact. Never went back.

I did enjoy the video. Have seen and enjoyed several of his shows on TV. Always seems to put things in a way that explains without getting TOO technical and boring the audience, yet without being so simple as to miss the point of educating the audience. Sort of reminds me of a particularly good teacher we had in junior high math and science. He wasn't as physically expressive as Tyson, but was quite verbally expressive of the JOY of learning the subject matter, and of the importance that it might have in our later life. Very effective teacher when dealing with the 13-yo mind. Knew how to get and keep our attention, and get the point across.

I think the video does a good job of making the point that religion and government should remain separate for the benefit of all, believers and non-believers. Ample proof of that around the world and throughout history.

You almost can't have a conversation about religion without hearing about Catholic priests abusing children. Is it pure hypocrisy, or something else that makes people omit the fact that somewhere in the neighborhood of 350 teachers have been charged with abusing children this year? This seems to be a growing trend among teachers, especially female teachers. Or has is possibly always been happening, we've just been blissfully unaware?

Is anyone investigating the system that produces so many professionals who go on to commit crimes against children? Are teachers crimes against children somehow not as bad as Catholic priests crimes against children?

There has to be another forum that would satisfy your desires and tell you want to hear, whatever that may be.

The video? Dont care! Didnt even click on it. Better things to do.

I also experienced the bad side of the faith. Nearly every Church she attended had their story of a Priest that molested children. I knew three men that had experienced this. The one had his life ruined by the experience.

I never understood why the Catholic Laity didn't rise up and demand that they allow married Priests. Being sexually abstinent simply doesn't work. I might even join the Church if they did.

Your faith seems shallow my friend.

You probably will not find the answers you seek here on a bowhunting website.

Those who sincerely seek God, with an open mind and heart, will find Him. Study your Bible if you have one. God will reveal Himself to you if you allow Him to.

Your faith seems shallow my friend.

You probably will not find the answers you seek here on a bowhunting website.

Those who sincerely seek God, with an open mind and heart, will find Him. Study your Bible if you have one. God will reveal Himself to you if you allow Him to.

If one wishes to find Satan, he is easily found.

If one is to find God, one must look where God is.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

The persons who taught me about faith did it with their actions, more than with words or saying "here, read and do this"

Tyson has interesting views and I don't think too many bowhunters would appreciate his alliance with people who hate us at PETA.

dockeater,

Almost all Christians I have known have had their faith tested in one way or another. Right now I am going through a tad bit of trouble too, in that my Mother, and life long good Christian woman in her 80s is having life changing illnesses. I sometimes wonder myself why God would allow that to happen to such a good person. Struggles with faith, mine too, since the beginning of times. Things to ponder . . . . .

Matt;

"Why does God require that satan exist?"

I do believe Satan and God existed at the same time, but Satan tried to take over. The book of Genesis really does not answer that question to my knowledge.

"Why doesn't God stop satan from doing horrible things?"

Oh, God is going to take care of business, and the time has been set and known to all Angels and Demons. Read Matthew Chapter 8 vs 21, and Mark Chapter 1 vs 29

"and the Demons asked Jesus, "Have you come to torment us before the time"?

Satan and Minions already know what is coming, and great big ole arse whupping.

"Does he also reveal himself to Muslims who study the Koran? I assure you that their faith is just as strong or stronger."

You clearly have no understanding of Christianity, Islam nor God.

Interestingly The Muslim faith believes in the same God that Christians do. They even acknowledge Christ as a real historical figure. They do not believe Christ was the son of God. So therefore all the New testament stuff gets thrown out the window for them.

They do not believe you can be forgiven for your sins and if you sin you have to pay for that sin. Believing in Christ to them is the same as believing in another god which is forbidden and punishable by death.

If I am not mistaken(I am not 100% sure on this) the Koran teaches beheading is required to kill the soul or the sinner.

Also many religions around the world believe in a single god. If you have ever read about the forbidden fruit and gods punishment, you will understand that those religions are very likely worshiping the exact same God we Christians do. Just a different name based on language differences.

Since the New Testament stuff is thrown out the window they absolutely don't believe in the same God that Christians do. My God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

The Jews do believe in the Old Testament. But that is the same God

I am trying to say that Muslims believe in the old testament and the God listed in it.

Muslims do not worship the same God. They reject Jesus.

Jews prior to Jesus believed in the promise of a messiah. Jesus is the fulfillment of that promise that they, the Jews, rejected. The Jews now reject God.

Simple isn't it.

It is a mistake to discuss this subject matter, or any other subject, with this troll.

He is only here to create phony controversy for his own amusement.

Also....BK is spot on.

Let it go. Everybody knows why you are mad at God

Seek help. Lots have gone through this. You can too

I believe our difficulty in understanding God comes from our inability to grasp eternity and time. What is pain to eternity? What is yesterday's hardship to the joy of the presence of God?

If you have faith, if you believe, you have the perspective to understand pain are lessons for the living.

I responded to him, but will not do so again.

bk is right.

So we fight against God or we seek him honestly to know him and we seek him in truth and earnestly. We finally either give it up or we see our sinful state and we call upon God to forgive us of our sins and reveal himself to us. We do this in truth and this is what happens.

By grace are ye saved , through faith and that not our own, it is the gift of God and not of works lest we should boast.

According to my own testimony and millions of others at this time God's spirit witnesses with our spirit that we are the children of God. He literally reveals Himself to us and we that were flesh and blood sinners now are born again by the spirit of God. We know we are born again and no man can ever show us differently because the spirit of God himself, Jesus lives in us.

So you may fight God, Claim Him to not exist but I know that He is real and you can never convince me otherwise. I will not taste death but unless you repent and are born again you will die and you will know it. I have eternal life in me and I am in Him. We are one and when my flesh quits I will never know it but I am already in Christ . Its really a wonderful thing and has been my testimony since 1970.

One of the saddest things I have ever seen is people that fight against God while they claim to that He does not exist. Think about it. Talk about confusion.

I cannot and no one here can convince one that insists on not seeking God. But think about it. Why now see if what we are telling you is the truth? If you do not and we are right. Which we are. then you lose the most wonderful thing mankind has ever had offered. Unity with God,.

We are right. We know that. We do not think we know . We do know. Are you honestly willing to bet that we are wrong? If you were you would not be fighting that God that you do not know. Have never known, but can know simply by honestly trying to find HIM.

Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened,. Ask and God will give you his spirit freely.

One of the most powerful and honest things you can tell God if you seek Him is this. God I believe , help Thou my unbelief.

God bless, Steve

It hit me yesterday like a ton of bricks that Matt is actually playing the games and tricks of Lucifer.

This conversation is over for me.

We have seen this so many times around here. Isn't it ironic that the socialist democrats come here to "get us to think" and do so little of it themselves? How many subjects have YOU taken the time to consider that YOU may be wrong about, and possibly change YOUR position? Or maybe the Obamalama syndrome has struck you, and like him, you're perfect in every way, correct in every way, and your opinion is the one everyone needs to think about and conform to, on every subject.

Go away troll. You've become a bore. Where is my troll spray?

Go help someone who needs it. Almost to a man, you socialist democrats come to Bowsite, "to get people to think." The Bowsite community forum isn't frequenting democrat socialist websites, posting right wing propaganda to "get them to think", you people are here, acting like the thinking problem lies with us.

You folks aren't here exchanging ideas, opinions, and philosophies in the off chance that you may better understand the subject matter, or why people who believe differently than you believe think the way they do, you folks come here to tell us how we are wrong, to dispute, demean, disrupt, and denigrate.

There are many brilliant people right here in the Bowsite community forum. If you are too thick, too stubborn, too new, or too partisan to have had one of them change your opinion or your way of thinking or your understanding of any subject, I submit the thinking problem is you, and your ilk. It makes one question the reason for your presence.

I have different opinions than many around here. I have no problem stating my opinions, whether those here agree with them or not. The difference is, I listen to other people's opinions, and sometimes realize that my position is wrong. I have yet to witness a socialist democrat reform a single position on any subject in my 10 years plus of being here.

You won't find any converts here, and one or a thousand of you socialist democrats coming here "making us think" isn't going to convert anyone either. We are by definition thinking people, otherwise we would be democrats.

Thomas Jefferson wrote "It does me no harm for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no Gods.

Wise guy that T.J.

Lastley, no matter what you believe, it is easy to say that if more people were brought up with the the Ten Commandments and tried to live by them the best they can, this world would be much more pleasant to live in.

This is the biggest lie I have ever read on Bowsite.

It is easy to follow the ten commandments, and accept Jesus.

What is hard to do, is lead a sin free life, but there is power in the redemption of Christ that negates all sin.

No truer words have been posted on the Community Forum.

X 3 for ar troy.

Resoved !

Some wallow in the mud and then expect God's grace to take away the temptation and desire to wallow again.

Some have found the wisdom that by God's grace they were warned not to sin but they wallowed any way, and yet they were forgiven of the act but have to make peace with the consequences on their own terms. By accepting this they do not let moral corrupt lead themselves into moral bankrupt.

Missing Strands is also correct on a spiritual level.

Owl nailed the politics, logic.

To quote one of my favorite authors from a children's book "He is not a tame Lion."

Don't waste your time responding to him.

Below is an even better explanation of the tides, but first a question for you;

Which is easier to believe;

A. Gases just met in the big dark expanse of space and haphazardly created all the planets and stars

or

B. There is a God, the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

Explanation of tides as follows;

Genesis 1:1-31New International Version (NIV)

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Genesis 1:14-18New International Version (NIV)

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.

16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.

17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,

18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.

Psalm 8:3-4New International Version (NIV)

3 When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,

Job 39:19-25New International Version (NIV)

( Gods reply to Job )

19 “Do you give the horse its strength or clothe its neck with a flowing mane?

20 Do you make it leap like a locust, striking terror with its proud snorting?

21 It paws fiercely, rejoicing in its strength, and charges into the fray.

22 It laughs at fear, afraid of nothing; it does not shy away from the sword.

23 The quiver rattles against its side, along with the flashing spear and lance.

24 In frenzied excitement it eats up the ground; it cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.

Just in case you missed it Matt, it was God that made the moon, earth, and stars, and set them in place. A far superior explanation than just gas molucules bumping into each other ( that theory never explained where the gas molucules came from )

You don't even have to say that you don't know - we already knew that.

It is likewise impossible to convince a man who actually has the Lord of Glory who spoke the creation into existence simply by speaking the Word and now lives in that person, you are trying to persuade when in fact you state that you know nothing, That you somehow are right or that Islam, who does not know or believe that Jesus is the creator and that Jesus raised Himself from the dead so that He could live in everyone that believes upon Him, is also possibly right. Bleieve me when I say this. I am not afraid nor will ever be afraid that anyone that does not believe upon Jesus or which professes any other religion is right and that I am wrong.

Reason is I know Jesus and He knows me. Really. I do not even believe Jesus is God. I know Jesus is God. How could I deny the one Who really lives in me?

You just do not get it. No real Christian will ever convert to be anything else or believe anything else. We are one with Jesus.

God bless, Steve

You have faith in the big bang theory, and that is ok. However, again, they never explained where those gas molecules came from. The big bang theory is about the most fiction that I have ever heard of. There is absoluelty no proof of that at all.

You want proof, you want to sink your fingers into the holes in the hand of Jesus?

Fact: On the other hand, there were countless witnesses about the life of Jesus. The Desciple John was the only one not hunted down and killed, and lived his life to old age on the Island of Patmos, where via the Holy Spirit, he penned the book of Revelations.

Fact: The Apostle Mathias was a witness, and I got to see where his seemless Tunic is kept while I was in Trier ( St. Peters Church ), Germany this year. This fact is for all that want "Relecs".

Fact: Photo is the Tomb and stone casket containing the body of Saint Mathias. It is located in the St. Mathias Chruch, Trier, Germany.

Fiction: Two unknown gas molecules from unknown origins collided in space creating the big bang, thus creating the universe.

A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

– John 20:26-29

And think of the lives they and Jesus lived. They did not spread a dogma that made them rich or got them laid. If they were false prophets and fiction tellers, they were all miserable failures.

He just as well could have said that leprechauns, superman, and the flying spaghetti monster all gathered together and combined their forces to create the universe.

On the other hand, we have documented history, eye witness testimony, and relics, about the life of Christ.

Conservatives, even at their hardest times tend to steer each other toward God. Whether they are dealing with an illness in the family, loss of a loved one, they create a spiritual family centered on faith.

Libs, on their best day seek to destroy faith - Christian faith specifically, to demean the values of faith-centered people. And most despicably, to use the worst types of tragedies humans endure as a weapon to try to break the faith of others.

The lower left is the dumbest of the dumb. The upper left is made of the intelligent and sophisticated worst of human kind. The truly evil kind.

Doubtful. Christ said "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

Liberalism is giving a fish a day; this way the man becomes dependent on the person doling out the fish. The man does not try to become a fisherman as he operates under the illusion that he does not need to provide for himself but merely wait for the fisherman to dole out his daily fish. This man will always be dependent and that is exactly what liberalism creates and what it desires.

Teaching a man to fish teaches a man self-reliance. The man can now provide for himself and is independent, capable of advancing his life on his own course towards his own destiny.

That is the bedrock principle of conservatism; the self-reliant, self-sufficient, independent individual.

You could not be more clueless is you made a conscious effort.

2 Thessalonian 10-15 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.

And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Jesus Clears the Temple Courts

John Chapter 2:

13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money.

15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”

17 His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”

This does not sound like a Liberal to me.

-I pray others would treat me as I have treated them. I'm lucky in that most people do. Were I as mendacious and duplicitous as some of late, I would definitely want someone to call me out.

You do realize that even the poorest among us in the U.S are rich with respect to the rest of the world? If you live in the U.S., you are rich and that verse applies to you. Scary to think but true.

Leftys don't do any of that. All Leftys do is have the Guvmint raise taxes to destroy the families of the poor via welfare. See Mike in CTs post at the link.

You can even google who gives more of their own money, Liberals or Conservatives. The answer is Conservatives by a far margin.

Please show the post in which I jumped all over Matt.

I merely answered his questions to the best of my ability.

Plus, no one was jumping, Matt started the thread. He merely got responses, some based on his past behavior.

No Christian on this thread took anything out on Matt at all.

That is strike three on ya, in case you missed it.

Tony

I cannot think of a better place for ALL hypocrites to be, than in Church listening to the word of God.

. . . and in regards to ALL hypocrites, in Luke Chapter 5 you will find;

32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

That's right. Not too many athiests can be found in a hot fox hole.

Catchy cliche..... and wrong. But that's just my experience.

Well blue, you can only speak for yourself. No one else.

Nobody said there were no athiests in a hot fox hole. Just not many.

Cliche' or not, it's true.

Have you also been spending time resisting Ra?

Conversly, my Step Son, who was with 2nd Recon Bn and fought the battle of Fallujah back in 2004, came home and reconnected with his faith.

While serving as a Drill Instructor at MCRD San Diego, my recruits always chose to spend Sunday in Church, than spend the day with me. I can only reason that the love of God was a lot greater and more powerful than the love I was showing them.

:D

Also, while at MCRD, the 1rst Recruit Bn Chaplain was a Catholic Priest and Naval Officer, Chaplain Jenson. He was a Marine grunt at the Frozen Chosin in 1950, and made a pact with God that if he survived, he would become a priest. His prayers were answered, he lived, and he honered his word and became a priest. He was even chosen by MGen Grinalds, a Southern Baptist, to review the graduation parade on November. He was only a Navy Lt. Commander ( Army Major equivalent ), but still he, to we Marines, was the most highest dignatary to ever review a parade.

I also got to sat at the same table with Mitchell Page (sp), a Medal of Honor recipient from Guadalcanal action, awarded for his actions defending Henderson Field. He fired his 50 Cal Machine Gun non stop, even when the barrel was glowing red and burning his arms up to his elbows. His faith was remarkable.

"The point is not to ridicule anyone, it's to get people to think."

You are a liar. Plain and simple. A liar.

"Even our soldiers are capable of rational thought..."

Implying that only atheists are capable of rational thought. You are not here to debate, have a conversation, or opening that little narrow mind of yours. You are here to denigrate, ridicule and disparage believers. Be gone liar, your schtick is getting old.

At least I don't have to wonder how much thought you put into denigrating the very people who risk life and limb so you can sit at your computer and spew that kind of mindless, thoughtless idiocy.

I almost never question the time I served in the Marine Corps-literally, almost never.

Then I see a smug little worm like you and that small millisecond of doubt creeps in.

Then of course I see my fellow veterans here and also read the stories they recount of comrades, past and present, the sacrifices they made and can find pity for the ignorance you so proudly display of the sacrifices of better men than you will ever be.

Grow up or get lost.

"I'm just saying that religion, by definition, is irrational.

It's not my opinion."

Actually ....it is.

That comment is disrespectful of our military.

You, sir, are an obvious and despicable liar.

"Even our soldiers are capable of rational thought."

EVEN?! EVEN our soldiers?

Clearly implying that in a soldier's mind you would not expect to find 'rational thought'.

Yeah, that's a tremendous amount of respect.

What a phony!

Not that you were trying to understand the point. It has nothing to do with soldiers necessarily, but rather human nature.

People who arrogantly proclaim "God does not exist" usually do so in a comfortable environment.

Place those same people in a position where they believe their life is in imminent danger, and most will call on God or Jesus to save them. Could be a person trapped in a burning or submerged car......most will plead for God to intervene, no matter how staunch an athiest they thought they were.

I suspect you would do the same, Matt. Or at least I hope you would. And I hope a merciful God would see fit so save you.

BTW, you artfully dodged HA/KS's question:

Do you spend equal time resisting Ra? Or is it only the One True God that has put you under conviction to the point that you can't put Him out of your mind?

But the God you are fighting against does exist....and you know it.

Satan will always fight against Him, and he will use weak people to do his work. Always has.

We see you for who you are. Own it.

"Matt Finney! Matt Finney!"

interesting... why?

.... I don't really care what other people decide.. or whether or not they've heard every side..

Part of my stoic philosophy I imagine... (think "serenity " prayer).. is what it is...

I suspect it's more that you're not entirely certain of the choice you've made and you're looking for someone to validate it for you.

Sorry, wrong number.

Luke, Chapter 4

9 Then he brought Him to Jerusalem, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here. 10 For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you,’ 11 and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”[h] 12 And Jesus answered and said to him, “It has been said, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’ ”[i]

As far as your statement "Unfortunately, in the past and even today there is a lot of military pressure put on soldiers to profess religious belief. "

Where, what branch, and when did you serve?

Outside of recruit training, there is no pressure to attend services. That was my 20 years experience in the Marines.

Yet you insist on proving me right with every thread you post.

You couldn't be more lost and confused if you made a conscious effort.

PS-still dialing the wrong number.

However whether or not you or anyone else is an atheist and not just a deluded person that lies to themselves and then seeks justification for their lies is only something God knows. You probably have such a strong hold upon you and such a strong delusion that you actually think you are right.

When a man's light is darkness then how great is that darkness!!!

Its a sad thing that you proclasimed athiests do. Fight against your own creator when He has undeniably revealed Himself to you.

Matt you are as one beating the air, Waving your arms and yelling futilely. It's all about you cause man you are not effecting any Christian in any way except perhaps angering some that should pity you.

Peerhaps God will have mercy on you and upon your never dying soul. I pray so and hope so because what you face without that is horrible and I do not wish that on anyone.

God bless, Steve

He is afraid.

I feel sorry for him.

Plus, no comments on the Photos of combat and wounded soldiers in prayer.

Matt just keeps ingoring everything but his own thoughts, and never considers the answers he has been given. That, is the definition of a bigot.

Keep rationalizing Matt and you'll be stuck where you are today for a very long time.

You're also proving that denial isn't just a river in Africa.

-Rest easy. The world does not need your youtube links to critically analyze their spirituality.

A leftist athesiest group seized on his diary writings as a young teenager, and exploited the memory of a dead soldier, to the horror of his family. Pure leftist propaganda and exploitation, that you have fell for, hook line and sinker.

In his adulthood, he had come to sense a spiritual power, and was actively seeking answers. He had in his possession, a Quran, a Bible, and other religious books, well worn pages in all of them, and was making an unbiased search of what was in his heart.

I will not place the links here, because I believe you are not interested in finding truth. If you are, do your own research about Pat Tillman.

You GOT YOURSELF Matt !!!! LOL !!!!

Satan is only the greatest deciever when Christianity is true.

ROTFLMAO !!!!!!

-I'll wager hell for my faith in Christ. Are you willing to wager hell for nothing?

Hackbow, atheists require God. That is but one reason it is a religion.

muhammed is dead and Jesus is alive. Choose.

What is your purpose here?

What motivates you to fight against God and believers?

Why are you pushing the idea that "Islam is true"?

Matt, do you consider yourself a "progressive," politically speaking?

That is the complete lack of law and legal limits on behavior.

It is a condition of government, or rather the effective lack of it, and has nothing to do with any belief system.

If you wish to enmesh law and government with belief systems, there are many historical examples that reflect the pitfalls, from ancient Rome to the current Mideast, by way of the European Dark Ages.

Government and law is possible without any entanglement with a belief system. Ants are not theists, but have a well-developed hierarchy and control system that allows their survival as a community.

Atheists have no clue what life would be like without Christian culture because, up until late, Christianity has been the ethical bedrock of our nation.

Why wouldn't we devolve to largely violent, selfish society? Who would stop me from exerting my will over every desire I have? My neighbor? My government? Rule by brute force, ultimately, would be the reality.

It is a sign of a total lack of self awareness that instead of backing down, he doubles down on this pointless tirade.

I agree with Hackbow. When he goes to some Islamic hideout and tells them the same thing, then he might have some credibility. Not much, but some. The reason he does it here is precisely because the decent people here are decent, law-abiding folks that won't behead him for his opinion.

1. You are a buffoon. 2. Nobody here needs a buffoon to tell them how to live their lives. They have lived happy, healthy, productive and yes, in many cases, God-loving lives long before they ever heard of you. 3. That you keep trying to change people here is further sign of record class buffoonery. 4. And even in the face of epic failure, you will continue to try. 5. And your primary method of trying is by telling people here they are unenlightened fools and idiots. 6. Hence, yes, you should keep your mouth shut. Unless of course, you're simply trying to pattern your life after the Dumb and Dumber movies. 7. And, because you are without even a minimal trace of self-awareness, you will not understand one bit of this message.

That is not dogma, that is a fact.

God bless, Steve

I didn't say that. But I agree with it. Go away creep.

You absolutely have a voice. Shout it from the rooftops. You just don't have the right to be heard. You have the right to say whatever you want. No law says we believer's have to listen.

Guys, we need to stop engaging this provocateur. No one is going to change their mind, no matter how enlightening MF's thoughts and utterances are.

Let them post away. There are bigger issues to deal with than a low level liberal and an sexually abused nut job that wants to hold God accountable for what some priest did to him

I hope Doc quits lying about everything on his life and more impotantaly MF gets help for his situation Must be a tough go for both of them

Already happened, see the abortion thread.

"200 comments...a lot more than I expected."

You are welcome. Hey, I have a brilliant idea for you, next time try an honest consideration of the responses. I cliked on your links, and considered all your posts.

A video for you;

By the way, you are in my prayers. ( Russ and bluedog have been for years )

Matt, if you don't like the 'Churchy' version of the Outdoorsman Hymn, here is a contemporary version.

( Nothing wrong with not liking tradional "Churchy" music, I know a whole lot of good Christians that do not }

Enjoy, and just know, that everytime you are climing a tree this fall, you are in my thoughts and prayers.

Tennbow, Phoenix, Bill McNeil and his sons were making this place awesome every day when I joined. That was 20, maybe close to 30 years ago.

I've seen this forum undergo a lot of transformations along the way. In it's current state, we're a lot of "dug in" types with an onslaught of trolls. They're all incarnates of our on-again, off-again self-removed brethren.

Trolls show up, always in pairs always with fake names and back stories. We welcome them in because, quite frankly it's boring when everyone agrees.

I stand by what I've said about conservatives being the ones who look after one another and libs being the ones who look to gov't to solve their ills.

The men and women spilling blood on foreign soil believe in their sacrifice the way our young men and women have been sacrificing their bodies and families for decades. A dedicated leftist would never, NEVER, storm a beach for his or her country.

It's because the libs are weak, they don't have family, religion or even a network of friends to rely on. Only a network of people who would back-stab them at any moment for personal gain.

Who else would start a discussion with the sole purpose of undermining a belief system that actually works? A belief system that creates families and intelligent people?

The left is at war with the concepts that created America. They will fight tirelessly to attack what made us exceptional, they won't rest until we are as weak as the countries we trying to pull out of darkness.

I hope you find your way!

I guess we could say that Bowsite is not perfect, but when someone comes here wanting to "fundamentally transform" us, we should know immediately that they are up to no good and not looking out for our best interests.