And all the liberals who say the GOP is unwelcoming of black candidates, well, they have a point. Black Republicans tend to be fundamentalists both politically and religiously and the EGOP is clearly embarrassed by and dismissive of such people (white or black).
If you think not voting for them will bring them more to the right after all these illegals become citizens and are able to vote you are crazy. Giving the democrats 20 million more votes will definitely put a nail in the conservative coffins agenda for 25 years at least.
This exact sentiment is what the Republican party stands for at fundraisers and behind closed doors.
Get used to it Republicans....
Ask the third party voters and ball takers how it work out in 2012.
Right, because it is the fault of those who were not interested in voting for the most liberal candidate in the republican field, those people who were being demeaned, and dismissed, those who were treated like third class citizens at the convention, those who decided NOT to sacrifice their principles. It's their fault.
Certainly not the fault of the idiot primary voters in blue states who thought the answer was to nominate a candidate who was philosophically as close to the opposition candidate as possible. Not the fault of the party that allows blue states in open primaries to determine their candidate for president. No, not their fault.
Just to be clear, I voted for Romney, but let the party establishment have their way this cycle and nominate Jeb, or Christie, or several others, and you can blame me and those like me for President Hillary's 2 terms.
I guess the two sides can point fingers at each other all day, but the fact remains that when the republicans nominate someone that everyone at least thinks is conservative, the republicans win.
We had several right here predicting what was going to happen, before and after Romney was nominated. We were ridiculed, shouted down, and drowned out by the cheer squad. And for the life of me, I can't remember even the most pissy of republican supporters coming back and saying wow was I wrong, or maybe we should have been listening. I guess you don't have to listen, as long as the fault always lies with the other guy.
My point is ball taking and third party voting did not make zip, zero, nada difference in the last election. So how do they think it will make a difference( besides getting Elizabeth Warren elected)in the next election.
Apologists, puppets, errand boys, they've brought us what we now have. Enjoy it, you own it.
I guess I disagree. I think voters staying away in droves may in fact be the only thing that will force change in the republican party. Look at the humiliating, crushing defeat to the democrats and Obama in the last presidential cycle. Obama was probably the weakest incumbent president since Carter, and republicans still couldn't pull out the win after riding the Tea Party wave to sweeping victory in 2010. Did the party learn from that, adopt and incorporate the Tea Party philosophy and agenda? No, their response to sweeping victory in 2010 has been to fight the Tea Party and conservatives harder than they fight democrats.
All that to say, the only way meaningful change comes to the republican party in my opinion is not with them losing squeaker elections, but in them seeing the demise of the party itself in the future, barring drastic and swift change. Obviously, considering the party establishment, that drastic and swift change could be either left or right, but if it's left they will no longer be able to pay lip service to conservative ideals and principles, allowing conservatives and Tea Party types to stop fooling themselves into thinking they can change the party.
We are allowing the party to ride the fence, garnering support from conservatives and republicans alike because nobody is forcing them to either be the opposition to the democrat party, or join the democrat party. We are allowing them to lie to us, to pander to us, and to use the boogeyman of democrat leadership into not demanding that our principles, policies, and agenda be respected, upheld, promoted, and implemented.
Just my opinion.
Get your guy elected to your local office. Take the next step from there. That's how it works. If you think a third party is how to do it knock yourself out. But no crying when it works out you aren't even on the radar screen when all is said and done.
If you can't do that.... offhand I'd say the prudent move was to do the best you can with what you have been given, not complaining you weren't given what you wanted. In fact I have never seen a situation in life (or death) where that wasn't the best move.
Isn't that what you keep advocating that all formerly republican voters do?