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Beendare 20-Nov-14
Coyote 65 20-Nov-14
Anony Mouse 20-Nov-14
spudwrench4rp 20-Nov-14
Beendare 20-Nov-14
Joey Ward 20-Nov-14
SteveCOontheroad 20-Nov-14
Dave G. 20-Nov-14
Beendare 20-Nov-14
Joey Ward 20-Nov-14
Jim in Ohio 20-Nov-14
spudwrench4rp 20-Nov-14
From: Beendare
20-Nov-14
My goal in a few years...find a chunk of property and build a home off the electrical grid. Has anyone done this or can you point me to any examples/research?

I've heard some folks comment they scuttled off the grid home plans as they cannot get a mortgage or HO Insurance.

One would think that in the right climate with sun and wind and backup generator it would be pretty easy to do these days.

From: Coyote 65
20-Nov-14
I have a good friend that is almost off the grid. He lives in Las Cruces NM and is an engineer for the powerplants in Deming and Lordsburg. It is a hobby with him to get off the grid. NM has a law requiring the electric providers to buy power from homeowners who install windmills photovoltaic etc. He feeds his excess power back into the grid and gets a small check from the power company once a year. The only time he buys from them is during a hot spell when the AC runs a lot.

Now the bad part. He has over 40,000 invested in photocells. He does not have the battery capacity to store his excess power, he is using the electric provider as his storage system. He is living in a 2000 sq ft house that is of block construction, so his insulation is not the best. They do use a pellet stove for heat in the winter with a propane furnace for backup. Uses all LED lighting. But has a computer system that dims the lights when it is turned on.

I live in a log cabin that for the first 8 years of its live was off the grid because there was no grid. My dad built the cabin and they used kerosene lights and a camping stove for cooking. He took an old refrigerator (the ones that used to have the compressor as the bottom third) cut off that third and laid it down and had a huge ice chest. Water was hauled in until a community well was put in.

Right now as I speak I can tell you the biggest draw on electricity is the hot water heater and the range. The electric dryer is probably next.

If you were to use propane for hot water and for cooking and for drying clothes you could probably get off the grid as long as you do not have air conditioning.

Terry

From: Anony Mouse
20-Nov-14
How big of a home are you looking at? I met a couple who built one of those tiny homes like these on a trailer and live pretty much off the grid year round. They parked their home on a small lot backing up to a national forest and live small.

Electricity: solar panels and a propane powered generator.

Water: well

Heat: small woodstove/propane back-up

Compost toilet/grey water septic field.

Think their square footage is less than 500 sq. ft. He does have a nice insulated pole barn for his man cave/toys.

They like "living small" with the benefit of minimal housecleaning/maintenance and being able to travel.

20-Nov-14
We've been off grid for 5 years. Our system consist of Eight 240 watt solar panels and Eight 6 volt batteries, 24 watt 2500v invertor. Total cost $4500 ( does not include generator)

We run a dishwasher,washing machine, small chest freezer, lights, soft start pump for water pressure. hair dryer(the wife)toaster, small hand tools We're in Western Montana and rarely need to run our generator between late Mar to late Oct, during the winter months depending on the amount of partly sunny days, we'll usually have to run the generator every other day for about 3 hours.

It's very doable, you just have to adapt to when you use the high wattage things and always remember to turn things of when they don't need to be on...

We have home owners insurance and their aware we live off grid two and a half miles up a non county maintained Forrest Service Rd...

If or when power comes close I'm not sure we would hook to it...

From: Beendare
20-Nov-14
I'm thinking 2,500 sqft or so with a big shop. I know it can be constructed to be ultra efficient. Heck a buddy just bought a ranch with the house built decades ago [?] of adobe blocks with interior walls 16" thick- like the Ca missions of the 1800's and that house is super efficient.

It has a wood fired boiler that circulates hot water under the saltillo tile floors to heat the whole house- doesn't need air conditioning.

i'm thinking if developing the property is prohibitively expensive- like running utility lines in a long ways- the property will be cheaper.I've heard stories of utility companies wanting $100k to bring in power a long ways. Clean water is of course a priority...

From: Joey Ward
20-Nov-14

Joey Ward's Link
Check out this link...............

http://codylundin.com/codys_house.html

Has some good info you may be interested in.

20-Nov-14
If you have surface water and fall on the property you should also look into hydroelectric plants. These are available in widely varying capacities.

Currently solar isn't very efficient and the batteries and panels have a relatively short working life. I know of a couple homes that have installed propane gensets and use those rather than replacing the panels.

From: Dave G.
20-Nov-14

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I admire anyone who has the wherewithal and ability to live off the grid. IMO, it takes a rare breed of individual to do it.

I tried it for about 6 months, but having to push that damned wheel every time Mary Ann wanted to watch Oprah got old real fast. :^)

From: Beendare
20-Nov-14
Joey, thx for the link....might be too earthy for me..no way my wife is living in a rammed earth home

From: Joey Ward
20-Nov-14
Well, the concepts can be applied to conventional style too.

:-)

20-Nov-14
Beendare. Are you running that generator on propane?

20-Nov-14
Sorry...that question was actually addressed to Spudwrench. I have a 1000 gallon propane tank buried on my property and have been considering converting my generator or getting a new one that runs on propane.

No way I can live off the grid all the time but I'd like to be able to do a month or two without to much effort.

From: Jim in Ohio
20-Nov-14
Most of my neighbors live "off the grid". The Amish around here all live without electricity. Yet they are very successful, making furniture, repairing tractors, running small engine repair shops, machine shops, and being very successful financial.

They run their machines off compressed air run by stationary engines, run by diesel, gasoline or natural gas.

They have hot running water, heat from natural gas or propane and do their transportation by horse and buggy. They will hire drivers to take them shopping or on long trips.

20-Nov-14
Straight —» Arrow My 12K generator does run on propane.... It's over kill for charging the batteries, so we usually will run the dishwasher and washing machine, and any other high wattage devises while doing so... I also have a 2500 Yamaha (gas) which is just enough to charge and run some lights and the computer without overloading it..

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