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joshuaf 16-Dec-14
Jim in Ohio 16-Dec-14
HuntHard 16-Dec-14
DL 16-Dec-14
sureshot 16-Dec-14
Hunting5555 16-Dec-14
gadan 16-Dec-14
Shuteye 16-Dec-14
DL 16-Dec-14
Bowfreak 16-Dec-14
Shuteye 16-Dec-14
TD 16-Dec-14
Jim Moore 16-Dec-14
DL 16-Dec-14
TD 16-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 16-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 16-Dec-14
HA/KS 16-Dec-14
sleepyhunter 16-Dec-14
Narlyhorn 16-Dec-14
Sixby 16-Dec-14
BowSniper 16-Dec-14
Sixby 16-Dec-14
FraDiavolo 16-Dec-14
NvaGvUp 16-Dec-14
bluedog 16-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 17-Dec-14
Hammer 17-Dec-14
sundowner 17-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 17-Dec-14
Owl 17-Dec-14
Hammer 17-Dec-14
Jim Moore 17-Dec-14
CTCrow 17-Dec-14
bad karma 17-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 17-Dec-14
TD 17-Dec-14
Pat C. 17-Dec-14
joshuaf 17-Dec-14
joshuaf 17-Dec-14
DPowers 17-Dec-14
Owl 17-Dec-14
Owl 17-Dec-14
Hammer 17-Dec-14
Owl 17-Dec-14
gflight 18-Dec-14
CTCrow 18-Dec-14
CTCrow 18-Dec-14
joshuaf 18-Dec-14
Sixby 18-Dec-14
Thumper 18-Dec-14
slade 18-Dec-14
Kathi 18-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 19-Dec-14
joshuaf 19-Dec-14
slade 19-Dec-14
joshuaf 19-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 19-Dec-14
joshuaf 19-Dec-14
Dogsoldier 19-Dec-14
From: joshuaf
16-Dec-14
Jeb Bush announced today, to no one's surprise, that he is running for President.

What are your initial thoughts? My initial thoughts are, of the people currently being talked about as possibly running for the GOP nomination, the only guys I'd vote for Jeb Bush AHEAD OF are Romney and Christie. Just about everyone else I would vote for before Bush.

From: Jim in Ohio
16-Dec-14
He is big on giving amnesty to illegals. One Republican I would never vote for.

From: HuntHard
16-Dec-14
I will not be voting for him....conservatives will be staying home for sure....The establishment is in with the dems they this is all for show in terms of elections.

From: DL
16-Dec-14
So let's give the whitehouse to the female version of Obama?

From: sureshot
16-Dec-14
Be careful what you say......this could be a Clinton - Bush rematch!

From: Hunting5555
16-Dec-14
Some place way down south would have to freeze over before I would EVER voted for him!!!!

From: gadan
16-Dec-14
No to Jeb. The DC corp is nuts if they think he'd be viable.

From: Shuteye
16-Dec-14
I wont be voting for Bush or Christie. I would vote for Romney. Just about every thing he said has come to past and the economy would be way better. We are screwed since the Republican big wigs will pick who they want to run and they can kiss my you know what. I might change my mind if the Republicans grow a set of balls and do something with the house and senate next year but I'm not holding my breath.

From: DL
16-Dec-14
I'm horribly disappointed in what choices we have been offered in decades but to give the Hilldabeast the White House makes me suck inside. Have you been happy with the last 8 years? Giving that witch the Presidency is unacceptable. If you can't vote against her don't complain about the crap that's coming.

From: Bowfreak
16-Dec-14
I would never vote for Jeb, Romney or Christie in a primary. I would hold my nose and vote for them in the general. The thought of any of these guys being President only slightly repulses me less than the current Bozo in Chief.

From: Shuteye
16-Dec-14
DL, I haven't missed an election since Goldwater. However, if the Republicans won't come up with some new blood they need to be taught a lesson. I don't think Hilldabeast will ever see the day that she is predident. If she does make it the Republicans are to blame for being eunuchs.

From: TD
16-Dec-14
It's a decision made by a small group of "power brokers" behind closed doors. They seem to think they can get anyone in they back.

I have a feeling they aren't even a majority of the establishment GOP.

A desperate attempt to regain past glory. They know their influence has been reduced to pretty much the sidelines. This is their Hail Mary to the endzone as time expires.

Just don't see how this would get any traction at all. I don't know a single person, even stanch republicans, who would vote for him.

From: Jim Moore
16-Dec-14
Why can't the conservatives come up with someone who has a shot? You run Bush against that fake indian b!0tch and he'll lose. The socialists have to be rubbing their soft little hands together about this. More money at the trough.

From: DL
16-Dec-14
Bush, Christie and Romney are capable of raising 80 million to compete in the election. That's their qualifications. Sad

From: TD
16-Dec-14

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I just read a story that he announced he was going to "actively explore" a run for the presidency. Usually that means "lets see how many folks can we dredge up who will donate large sums of money". It ain't going to be grass roots, that's for sure.

I think when they get their explorers map and compass out they will find they are surrounded by ocean, out on an island....

I still think it's a handful of folks promoting the idea, they really are kind of clueless outside their little circle....

From: Dogsoldier
16-Dec-14
Bush, Santorum, Romney...

The neocon establishment will have 20 guys on the stage this time to drown out conservative,tea party, libertarian candidates...

I'm sticking with Rand Paul because I know who his father is.

I'm going to be a republican delegate again and he is the only guy that will get my votes.

Let them nominate Bush or another neocon and I will gladly vote libertarian.

From: Dogsoldier
16-Dec-14
And I will not hesitate to bring up all the cheating ,scripted votes, disqualifying elected delegates that the Romney camp and the establishment pulled last time.

From: HA/KS
16-Dec-14
Libertarian and rino are two sides of the same coin.

Much as I do not like romney, I would take him over bush.

From: sleepyhunter
16-Dec-14
I'd like to see Ted Cruz run for President.

From: Narlyhorn
16-Dec-14
OH, PULEEEZE! This fiscally conservative Libertarian considers a RINO to be the same as the anti-Christ now in office!

From: Sixby
16-Dec-14
The fix is in. The media , including Faux, is already marginalizing every one except Bush. What a bunch of losers!!! The mantra is already , Oh how intelligent and He is the only one that has a chance of winning. It literally makes me sick to see this but Hey, Why should we expect better out of the establishment. God bless, Steve

From: BowSniper
16-Dec-14
I could not vote for Jeb Bush, but not because I feel there is some narrow definition of what a 'real republican' should be. I am just opposed to these political dynasties - be it Bush, or Clinton, or Kennedy. The American Presidency is not meant to be a family business. That is why we booted King George and his cronies.

I would like to see a moderate business minded individual like Romney, or someone with a libertarian streak like Rand Paul, or someone that speaks plainly and clearly with the confidence of Reagan like Huckabee. Would give them all a chance to earn the nomination. And hopefully without destroying each other in the process....

From: Sixby
16-Dec-14
Gw was president and I believe Jeb was governor of Florida when Terry Shaivo was brutally murdered by the state of Florida.

Nuff said.

God bless, Steve

From: FraDiavolo
16-Dec-14
The Bush family is very powerful, unfortunately. They suckered the Republicans into nominating GW, although he wasn't one-tenth the man McCain was (at that time). Me, I don't really care, because as many here have noted they're really only a less hypocritical version of Obama. That is to say, they don't even pretend to decry the corporate oligarchy that America has become.

From: NvaGvUp
16-Dec-14
"What are your initial thoughts?

God help us.

From: bluedog
16-Dec-14
Kyle... check your pm....

From: Dogsoldier
17-Dec-14
Romney?....No way I'd vote for cheating,fixed scripted votes, stripping elected delegates of their rightful seats Romney! Illegal rule changing Romney.

I am against voter fraud!

Want more of the same? Vote for Romney!

From: Hammer
17-Dec-14
LMAO. Just what we need...Another Bush to blame!

He will NEVER stand even the slightest chance. I predict he will drop out early.

America is NOT ready for another Bush. Gosh don't they get it? We hear it is Bush's fault still and that will be attached to Jeb. Period. They are related so they think alike is what the common man will think.

This is a really bad idea and I hope he does not win the nomination. I will NOT vote for him.

From: sundowner
17-Dec-14
Take Jesse Jackson's advice......

"Stay out da Bushes!"

From: Dogsoldier
17-Dec-14
LMAO

From: Owl
17-Dec-14
"What are your initial thoughts?"

-"Right wing" is conclusively redefined as anything marginally right of a Clinton. The EGOP might as well be Hillary's handbag. They are no further removed than that from her or abject statism.

I'd rather the Dems ruin the country than have our destruction co-opted into the GOP. There are no options if both parties represent big government.

17-Dec-14
My opinion is that the more conservative the GOP candidate the less chance there is they could possibly be elected. Any true conservative stands a snowballs chance in you know where of beating Hillary. Jeb is moderate but he is a Republican and for me that's better than Hillary.

To me it's a matter of standing my ideological ground and insuring eight more years of what we have now or compromising a little bit and having someone with broader appeal that can win one for the good guys.

From: Hammer
17-Dec-14
I am not sure what this Hillary thing is all about on this site but does anyone think ANYONE including me couldn't beat her? She has no chance. She might win the nomination but I doubt it and if she does she will get hammered in the general. I use to think otherwise but she is not liked now. She's a lying ole hag

17-Dec-14
I think you are out of touch with the most of the general population if you think that hammer...It's gonna be damn hard to beat any democrat becuase of the majority of people in this country who live on the dole.

From: Jim Moore
17-Dec-14
SA swings, it's a hit and it is outta here!

I've maintained that we would be a long time, if ever, seeing a white, straight, conservative (even marginally) man in the WH again.

I hope I'm surprised, but I don't think so.

17-Dec-14
If he wins the nomination, I wii vote for him while holding my nose. Say what you want about Romney but he would have been much better than what we got!

From: CTCrow
17-Dec-14
You can always vote for Hillary or stay home if you don't like the republican candidate. I'm sure thats a better choice, right?.

From: bad karma
17-Dec-14
Words cannot express how unenthusiastic I am about Jeb Bush running for the presidency.

That being said, if he gets the nomination, I sure as hell would not want Elizabeth Warren or Hillary in the White House.

From: Dogsoldier
17-Dec-14
The reasons Hillary or Warren is a serious threat...

1-There is a civil war going on in the Republican party.

2.Many want to see the first female president just like many who voted for Obama just because he is half black.

Many conservatives, libertarian, tea party are now fed up...

Fed up because they keep nominating Rino republicans that are no different then the democrats.

If Romney had been elected we would be at 18 trillion in debt like we are now. Romneycare, has a worse record then Obama on guns....Both Obama and Romney are for big government. That's a fact.

Cheating, fixed scripted votes, stripping elected delegates of their rightful seats, Illegal rule changing, refusing to follow their own rules at caucuses was the cherry on top.

How any of you could vote for candidates such as Romney that do these things baffles me...

From: TD
17-Dec-14

TD's Link
Michelle has it all.... smart, looks, and not afraid to tell it like it is.... she has this one pinned to the mat....

From: Pat C.
17-Dec-14
No to Jeb !

From: joshuaf
17-Dec-14
"having someone with broader appeal that can win one for the good guys"

You mean someone kind of like....Bob Dole, John McCain or Mitt Romney? Those worked out pretty well, huh?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me FOUR times? Nope.

From: joshuaf
17-Dec-14
"I think you are out of touch with the most of the general population if you think that hammer...It's gonna be damn hard to beat any democrat becuase of the majority of people in this country who live on the dole."

Considering that the GOP currently holds both the Governorship and both legislative chambers in 23 states, while the Democrats only hold all 3 in 7 states, I'm going to say that maybe it is you who is out of touch with most of the general population.

From: DPowers
17-Dec-14
x2 Joshuaf. If Christie, Romney, or Bush is the nominee, we are in for four more years of a democrat in the Whitehouse. It is like we have two democrats running regular and lite.

From: Owl
17-Dec-14
I cannot see the victory in voting for someone who has the same macro policy as the enemy. As it stands, the GOP, nominally, has the gun issue.

From: Owl
17-Dec-14
And that's about it.

From: Hammer
17-Dec-14
Aren't we all jumping the gun? He still has to win the nomination 1st. I don't think he will

From: Owl
17-Dec-14
Hammer, there is a fairly good ground game splitting the conservative vote and, thereby, nominating a leftist.

18-Dec-14
"Considering that the GOP currently holds both the Governorship and both legislative chambers in 23 states, while the Democrats only hold all 3 in 7 states, I'm going to say that maybe it is you who is out of touch with most of the general population."

I am well aware of this....I live in the redest of the red states. I don't even know a democrat and it amazes me....but O won twice becuase the GOP is divided over ideology.

I do not believe a real conservative has the proverbial snowballs chance of winning becuase they loose the center and no longer can hold a majority.

To me the real questions is how much conservatism can you get away with and still win.

From: gflight
18-Dec-14
Just vote no to a Republicrat Oligarchy....

From: CTCrow
18-Dec-14
Regardless of who runs on the republican side we will loose.

Why? Because we are all dibided. Do you think a democrat will vote for a republican because he/she doesn't like the democrat candidate?

NO THEY WON'T.

So, if you don't like the republican and you don't vote is like voting for the other side.

From: CTCrow
18-Dec-14
I vote for the lesser of 2 evils. A real conservative will never get to the balot.

You tell me how not voting for the republican or not voting helps you.

From: joshuaf
18-Dec-14
"I do not believe a real conservative has the proverbial snowballs chance of winning becuase they loose the center and no longer can hold a majority."

So apparently you think a real liberal has a better chance of winning the "center" than a real conservative does? Why is that? Do you think people in the "center" who voted for Obama did so because they loved his policies a lot more than McCain or Romney, or because a lot of them had an onset of white "guilt" about the idea of voting "NO" against a Black man running for President? Neither McCain or Romney were "real conservative" and all the pundits told us they were the most "electable", and yet not only did they not win, they both got trounced.

From: Sixby
18-Dec-14
The only place that the left wins is in the liar department. This includes the media who not only are partakers but also propogaters of their lies. The best and most effective lie of all is that a conservative cannot win. It is only true when many of the so called conservatives buy into the lie and vote for a rino while they hold their noses. Also these guys are a lot like pot smokers and drug addicts, They cannot stand it unless you drink the coolaid with them/. Their mantra is that you cannot afford to vote your conscious and a vote for right is actually putting a liberal into office. Every election we hear the same old swill and several times in spite of many holding their nose and voting for the rino the left has won. HMMMMM maybe someday the Republicans will wake up to the fact that a huge portion of the base will not elect their rino cantidates. Jeb Bush is the worst of the worst and a participant in the murder of Terry Shiavo to boot. He is the last man on earth that I will ever cast a ballot for even if Hilarious won because of it. I refuse as an American and a free man to not vote my conscious.

God bless, Steve

From: Thumper
18-Dec-14
Bush, Paul, Romney, and Cruz only get my vote if they are nominated.

From: slade
18-Dec-14
""You tell me how not voting for the republican or not voting helps you.""

Here's how it helps.

From: Kathi
18-Dec-14
I would never vote for Jeb Bush. I'd never vote AGAIN for Romney or McCain for obvious reasons. Rand Paul seems like a different candidate than the one I remember from 2010.

Christi??..can you see, with his temper, his finger on the "red phone." On second thought...well, never mind.

Ted Cruz..maybe.

Who I really like but is probably unelectable is Bobby Jindal.

19-Dec-14
this thread is the perfect mirror to the current republican dysfunction.......

From: Dogsoldier
19-Dec-14
I think you guys are getting scammed when it comes to Cruz.

Ties to Goldman Sachs and he is from Canada. Does anyone know how long he has lived here? I was doing a search on that and I couldn't find anything. I don't feel comfy supporting a man that wasn't born and raised here. That matters to me....I seem to remember a lot of hoopla over Obama's birth place...To me its important no matter what party they are in.

He talks like a chicken hawk warmonger and being 18 trillion in debt that just makes me nervous.

I don't trust him. I can see him winning and just like Obama...completely change and break all kinds of campaign promises.

I want a man or woman in there that even if there were 1000 school shootings in 1 day...that he wouldn't cave and sign a bunch of new gun laws.

Or if another 9/11 happens I'd like to know that he will still follow the constitution and protect our unalienable rights no matter what.

From: joshuaf
19-Dec-14
Dogsoldier, spend a few minutes reading Ted's bio on Wikipedia and I think you might change your opinion of him.

His father is a Cuban immigrant, his mother was born and raised in Delaware. They were living in Alberta in 1970 at the time of his birth because they were working in the oil business there. They moved back to the states in 1974, when Ted was 4 years old. My guess is that he wasn't unduly influenced by living in Canada for the first 4 years of his life.

He's kind of like Forrest Gump with all the stuff he's done and been involved in in his young life. Pretty amazing, actually. My guess is that he's probably by far one of the most accomplished Legislators in Washington, especially for his age.

From: slade
19-Dec-14
Your wasting your time joshuaf on anti anything republicans and paulbots.

From: joshuaf
19-Dec-14
slade, in that regard, I would also point out that Ted Cruz is vastly more qualified for the office of President than Rand Paul is, by any objective measure.

From an experience standpoint, Rand Paul isn't that much more qualified than Obama was when he ran for President. I'm all for the idea of the "citizen" legislator, but I'm a lot more comfortable with that for someone who is running for Congress or the State Legislature than for President.

It's an open question whether Rand Paul will even run for President this go-round. He was hoping to get the law in Kentucky changed so that he could run for President and for re-election to the U.S. Senate at the same time, but both chambers of the Kentucky legislature are not controlled by the Republicans, so it's looking grim for his hopes of changing that law. Looking like he will have to decide to do one or the other, not both. My guess is that he will decide to stay in the Senate and run for President next time, whether that be in 2020 or 2024.

From: Dogsoldier
19-Dec-14
It doesn't matter at all and I mean AT ALL what their "qualifications" and "accomplishments" are!

Hell everyone in Washington are the most "qualified" and rich people out there!!!...LOL...George Bush was president of the united states!!!...SOOO frikkin what!!!...

These people that are in office are ALL VERY "qualified" and have a laundry list of "accomplishments"...They went to Harvard!...These people are Ivy league!!!...Their rich!!!

NONE of that matters!....We see how they are!...They are NOT decent people! ...They are a bunch of lieing, cheating, sell outs!!!

These people have turned your grand kids into debt slaves!!!

Are they going to obey their oath to the constitution or not? Are they going to restore our unalienable rights or not?

Are they going to get my grand kids out of debt slavery?

THATS what matters!...Damn their "qualifications" and "accomplishments"!

From: joshuaf
19-Dec-14
"It doesn't matter at all and I mean AT ALL what their "qualifications" and "accomplishments" are!"

It's not the only thing that matters, but to say it doesn't matter AT ALL is one of the most absurd things I've ever seen anyone say on this forum. And that's saying a lot. Republicans bitched and moaned about Obama's lack of experience (in business, government or anything else), among other things, when he ran for President. We would be utterly hypocritical to hold the Republican candidates to a different standard, no matter what their ideology is and how much we may agree or disagree with it.

And the people that are in office are NOT ALL very qualified to be there. Another absurd statement, which, by the way, includes Rand Paul and Ron Paul as well, the way you put it.

From: Dogsoldier
19-Dec-14
Josh...Everyone in congress, judges, senate are ALL VERY accomplished and rich.

Rand Paul and Ron Paul are doctors!...I'd call that VERY accomplished!

The difference is Ron Paul never sold his soul. He had a consistent constitutional voting record that spanned 30 years.

He was the most consistent and conservative person on the stage.

"Washington doesn't need another lawyer it needs a Doctor."

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