What are your initial thoughts? My initial thoughts are, of the people currently being talked about as possibly running for the GOP nomination, the only guys I'd vote for Jeb Bush AHEAD OF are Romney and Christie. Just about everyone else I would vote for before Bush.
I have a feeling they aren't even a majority of the establishment GOP.
A desperate attempt to regain past glory. They know their influence has been reduced to pretty much the sidelines. This is their Hail Mary to the endzone as time expires.
Just don't see how this would get any traction at all. I don't know a single person, even stanch republicans, who would vote for him.
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I think when they get their explorers map and compass out they will find they are surrounded by ocean, out on an island....
I still think it's a handful of folks promoting the idea, they really are kind of clueless outside their little circle....
The neocon establishment will have 20 guys on the stage this time to drown out conservative,tea party, libertarian candidates...
I'm sticking with Rand Paul because I know who his father is.
I'm going to be a republican delegate again and he is the only guy that will get my votes.
Let them nominate Bush or another neocon and I will gladly vote libertarian.
Much as I do not like romney, I would take him over bush.
I would like to see a moderate business minded individual like Romney, or someone with a libertarian streak like Rand Paul, or someone that speaks plainly and clearly with the confidence of Reagan like Huckabee. Would give them all a chance to earn the nomination. And hopefully without destroying each other in the process....
Nuff said.
God bless, Steve
God help us.
I am against voter fraud!
Want more of the same? Vote for Romney!
He will NEVER stand even the slightest chance. I predict he will drop out early.
America is NOT ready for another Bush. Gosh don't they get it? We hear it is Bush's fault still and that will be attached to Jeb. Period. They are related so they think alike is what the common man will think.
This is a really bad idea and I hope he does not win the nomination. I will NOT vote for him.
"Stay out da Bushes!"
-"Right wing" is conclusively redefined as anything marginally right of a Clinton. The EGOP might as well be Hillary's handbag. They are no further removed than that from her or abject statism.
I'd rather the Dems ruin the country than have our destruction co-opted into the GOP. There are no options if both parties represent big government.
To me it's a matter of standing my ideological ground and insuring eight more years of what we have now or compromising a little bit and having someone with broader appeal that can win one for the good guys.
I've maintained that we would be a long time, if ever, seeing a white, straight, conservative (even marginally) man in the WH again.
I hope I'm surprised, but I don't think so.
That being said, if he gets the nomination, I sure as hell would not want Elizabeth Warren or Hillary in the White House.
1-There is a civil war going on in the Republican party.
2.Many want to see the first female president just like many who voted for Obama just because he is half black.
Many conservatives, libertarian, tea party are now fed up...
Fed up because they keep nominating Rino republicans that are no different then the democrats.
If Romney had been elected we would be at 18 trillion in debt like we are now. Romneycare, has a worse record then Obama on guns....Both Obama and Romney are for big government. That's a fact.
Cheating, fixed scripted votes, stripping elected delegates of their rightful seats, Illegal rule changing, refusing to follow their own rules at caucuses was the cherry on top.
How any of you could vote for candidates such as Romney that do these things baffles me...
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You mean someone kind of like....Bob Dole, John McCain or Mitt Romney? Those worked out pretty well, huh?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me FOUR times? Nope.
Considering that the GOP currently holds both the Governorship and both legislative chambers in 23 states, while the Democrats only hold all 3 in 7 states, I'm going to say that maybe it is you who is out of touch with most of the general population.
I am well aware of this....I live in the redest of the red states. I don't even know a democrat and it amazes me....but O won twice becuase the GOP is divided over ideology.
I do not believe a real conservative has the proverbial snowballs chance of winning becuase they loose the center and no longer can hold a majority.
To me the real questions is how much conservatism can you get away with and still win.
Why? Because we are all dibided. Do you think a democrat will vote for a republican because he/she doesn't like the democrat candidate?
NO THEY WON'T.
So, if you don't like the republican and you don't vote is like voting for the other side.
You tell me how not voting for the republican or not voting helps you.
So apparently you think a real liberal has a better chance of winning the "center" than a real conservative does? Why is that? Do you think people in the "center" who voted for Obama did so because they loved his policies a lot more than McCain or Romney, or because a lot of them had an onset of white "guilt" about the idea of voting "NO" against a Black man running for President? Neither McCain or Romney were "real conservative" and all the pundits told us they were the most "electable", and yet not only did they not win, they both got trounced.
God bless, Steve
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Christi??..can you see, with his temper, his finger on the "red phone." On second thought...well, never mind.
Ted Cruz..maybe.
Who I really like but is probably unelectable is Bobby Jindal.
Ties to Goldman Sachs and he is from Canada. Does anyone know how long he has lived here? I was doing a search on that and I couldn't find anything. I don't feel comfy supporting a man that wasn't born and raised here. That matters to me....I seem to remember a lot of hoopla over Obama's birth place...To me its important no matter what party they are in.
He talks like a chicken hawk warmonger and being 18 trillion in debt that just makes me nervous.
I don't trust him. I can see him winning and just like Obama...completely change and break all kinds of campaign promises.
I want a man or woman in there that even if there were 1000 school shootings in 1 day...that he wouldn't cave and sign a bunch of new gun laws.
Or if another 9/11 happens I'd like to know that he will still follow the constitution and protect our unalienable rights no matter what.
His father is a Cuban immigrant, his mother was born and raised in Delaware. They were living in Alberta in 1970 at the time of his birth because they were working in the oil business there. They moved back to the states in 1974, when Ted was 4 years old. My guess is that he wasn't unduly influenced by living in Canada for the first 4 years of his life.
He's kind of like Forrest Gump with all the stuff he's done and been involved in in his young life. Pretty amazing, actually. My guess is that he's probably by far one of the most accomplished Legislators in Washington, especially for his age.
From an experience standpoint, Rand Paul isn't that much more qualified than Obama was when he ran for President. I'm all for the idea of the "citizen" legislator, but I'm a lot more comfortable with that for someone who is running for Congress or the State Legislature than for President.
It's an open question whether Rand Paul will even run for President this go-round. He was hoping to get the law in Kentucky changed so that he could run for President and for re-election to the U.S. Senate at the same time, but both chambers of the Kentucky legislature are not controlled by the Republicans, so it's looking grim for his hopes of changing that law. Looking like he will have to decide to do one or the other, not both. My guess is that he will decide to stay in the Senate and run for President next time, whether that be in 2020 or 2024.
Hell everyone in Washington are the most "qualified" and rich people out there!!!...LOL...George Bush was president of the united states!!!...SOOO frikkin what!!!...
These people that are in office are ALL VERY "qualified" and have a laundry list of "accomplishments"...They went to Harvard!...These people are Ivy league!!!...Their rich!!!
NONE of that matters!....We see how they are!...They are NOT decent people! ...They are a bunch of lieing, cheating, sell outs!!!
These people have turned your grand kids into debt slaves!!!
Are they going to obey their oath to the constitution or not? Are they going to restore our unalienable rights or not?
Are they going to get my grand kids out of debt slavery?
THATS what matters!...Damn their "qualifications" and "accomplishments"!
It's not the only thing that matters, but to say it doesn't matter AT ALL is one of the most absurd things I've ever seen anyone say on this forum. And that's saying a lot. Republicans bitched and moaned about Obama's lack of experience (in business, government or anything else), among other things, when he ran for President. We would be utterly hypocritical to hold the Republican candidates to a different standard, no matter what their ideology is and how much we may agree or disagree with it.
And the people that are in office are NOT ALL very qualified to be there. Another absurd statement, which, by the way, includes Rand Paul and Ron Paul as well, the way you put it.
Rand Paul and Ron Paul are doctors!...I'd call that VERY accomplished!
The difference is Ron Paul never sold his soul. He had a consistent constitutional voting record that spanned 30 years.
He was the most consistent and conservative person on the stage.
"Washington doesn't need another lawyer it needs a Doctor."