Will the eGOP even try to override the President...or submit as usual?
More lessons coming WRT the 2016 elections.
A few Dems in both houses supported the pipeline but as of now, at least four more DEM Senators and ELEVEN more DEM Congressmen will need to change positions in order to get a 2/3 majority in both houses.
So if the veto isn't over-ridden, just exactly how would that be the GOP's fault?
Because it takes a 2/3 majority of the Senate to convict the POTUS once the House votes for the Articles of Impeachment.
That means that even if all 54 GOP Senators voted to convict, they'd need thirteen DEM Senators to vote likewise in order to throw this SOB out.
I hope you're warming up the old "poof" pipes.....
Just how WE THE PEOPLE throw out a POTUS who is in his second term and won't face re-election?
BILLINGS, Montana (AP) — The U.S. government predicts that trains hauling crude oil or ethanol will derail an average of 10 times a year over the next two decades, causing more than $4 billion in damage and possibly killing hundreds of people if an accident happens in a densely populated part of the country.
The projection comes from a previously unreported analysis by the Department of Transportation that reviewed the risks of moving vast quantities of both fuels across the U.S. and through major cities. The study completed last July took on new relevance this week after a train loaded with crude derailed in West Virginia, sparked a spectacular fire and forced the evacuation of hundreds of families.
Monday's accident was the latest in a spate of fiery derailments, and senior federal officials said it drives home the need for stronger tank cars, more effective braking systems and other safety improvements.
"This underscores why we need to move as quickly as possible getting these regulations in place," said Tim Butters, acting administrator for the Transportation Department's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.
The volume of flammable liquids transported by rail has risen dramatically over the last decade, driven mostly by the oil shale boom in North Dakota and Montana. This year, rails are expected to move nearly 900,000 car loads of oil and ethanol in tankers. Each can hold 30,000 gallons (113,600 liters) of fuel.
Based on past accident trends, anticipated shipping volumes and known ethanol and crude rail routes, the analysis predicted about 15 derailments in 2015, declining to about five a year by 2034.
The 207 total derailments over the two-decade period would cause $4.5 billion in damage, according to the analysis, which predicts 10 "higher consequence events" causing more extensive damage and potential fatalities.
If just one of those more severe accidents occurred in a high-population area, it could kill more than 200 people and cause roughly $6 billion in damage.
"Such an event is unlikely, but such damages could occur when a substantial number of people are harmed or a particularly vulnerable environmental area is affected," the analysis concluded.
The two fuels travel through communities with an average population density of 283 people per square kilometer, according to the federal analysis. That means about 16 million Americans live within a half-kilometer (0.3 miles) of one of the lines.
Such proximity is equivalent to the zone of destruction left by a July 2013 oil train explosion that killed 47 people and leveled much of downtown Lac-Megantic, Quebec, the analysis said.
Damage at Lac-Megantic has been estimated at $1.2 billion or higher.
A spokesman for the Association of American Railroads said the group was aware of the Department of Transportation analysis but had no comment on its derailment projections.
"Our focus is to continue looking at ways to enhance the safe movement of rail transportation," AAR spokesman Ed Greenberg said.
Both the railroad group and the Railway Supply Institute, which represents tank car owners and manufacturers, said federal officials had inflated damage estimates and exaggerated risk by assuming an accident even worse than Lac-Megantic, which was already an outlier because it involved a runaway train traveling 65 mph, (105 kph) far faster than others that had accidents.
To get to refineries on the East and West coasts and the Gulf of Mexico, oil shipments travel through more than 400 counties, including major metropolitan areas such as Philadelphia, Seattle, Chicago, Newark, New Jersey, and dozens of other cities, according to routing information obtained by The Associated Press through public record requests filed with more than two dozen states.
Since 2006, the U.S. and Canada have seen at least 21 oil-train accidents and 33 ethanol train accidents involving a fire, derailment or significant amount of fuel spilled, according to federal accident records reviewed by the AP.
At least nine of the trains, including the CSX train that derailed in West Virginia, were hauling oil from the Northern Plains' Bakken region that is known for being highly volatile. Of those, seven resulted in fires.
Both the West Virginia accident and a Jan. 14 oil train derailment and fire in Ontario involved recently built tank cars that were supposed to be an improvement to a decades-old model in wide use that has proven susceptible to spills, fires and explosions.
Safety officials are pushing to make the tanker-car fleet even stronger and confronting opposition from energy companies and other tank car owners.
Industry representatives say it could take a decade to retrofit and modify more than 50,000 tank cars, not the three years anticipated by federal officials, who assumed many cars would be put to new use hauling less-volatile Canadian tar-sands oil.
Most of the proposed rules that regulators are expected to release this spring are designed to prevent a spill, rupture or other failure during a derailment. But they will not affect the likelihood of a crash, said Allan Zarembski, who leads the railroad engineering and safety program at the University of Delaware.
Railroads last year voluntarily agreed to reduce oil train speeds to 40 mph (64 kph) in urban areas. Regulators said they are considering lowering the speed limit to 30 mph (48 kph) for trains not equipped with advanced braking systems. Oil and rail industries say it could cost $21 billion to develop and install the brakes, with minimal benefits.
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No, there does not.
There only needs to be a serious violation of his oath of office, of which there have been too many to count.
Maybe I should try to get back on with a RR tie and rail crew.
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Care to reregister with your real name?
Can you imagine the time it must take he/she/it (or "heshit" from here on out for sake of bandwidth) to lay out what heshit's going to wear the next day? That's a LOT of diferent personna's to have to dress!!!
Reappear in about a week under a new name. Wash, rinse, repeat...
Pipelines sure cause a lot of emotional feelings both for and against.
Once pipeline construction is complete, most people have no idea a pipeline is underground.
One of the properties I own has a pipeline through it that was constructed in 1952. It has gone through 4 different ownerships, has had the direction of the flow reversed (used to be OK to IN, now reversed flowing to OK), and to my knowledge has never had any incidents.
Three years ago the current owner, Enbridge (a Canadian company) approached the landowners along the right of way telling us of their intention to construct another line parallel to the original. Initially there was some resistance, but as more information became available, that vanished.
Some details of how the project was managed…….
In 1952, the couple who owned the land granted the pipeline company a right of way over the entire quarter section of land for $192. This was commonplace, 73% of the route was already available. I don’t think they would have had to pay me anything.
When Enbridge approached me, they offered $10,000 per acre for the space they would use, which included the temporary workspace and the permanent restricted right of way. The permanent right of way with two pipelines increased from 60’ to 110’. The restricted area means no structures or trees can be in that space, but I can still farm it and fences across it are OK.
The proposed path of the new pipe would have blown out the corner of an earthen dam that holds a 1.5 acre pond and would take down two buildings; a 32’ X 16’ cattle shed, and a large bank barn. After much discussion (most of it cost centered) they agreed to change the route from 50’ between the pipelines to 25’. This spared the dam/pond and bank barn. I got bids from contractors to replace the fences, shed, concrete floors/lots, underground electric/water lines. They willing paid all the replacement costs (well, maybe not willingly, but I had all things completely documented).
On part of the right of way I had CRP trees which were planted in 1994. These were oak/walnut/ash that were as large as a 15” diameter/30’ tall. This was the only major thing we disagreed on, they did not have an acceptable way to value immature hardwood trees, but I did get them to agree to pay to replace 267 trees with RPM seedlings, including tree tubes/stakes, labor to plant/water. There were several mature sawlog trees on the route and based on the board feet in the trees, they paid current timber prices.
I received total compensation in excess of $67,000 from Enbridge for a little more than 1/8 mile of pipeline through my property. I would have preferred they would not have done another line, but I cannot complain how they treated me. Some of my neighbors were not as fortunate, but I approached it like a project when I was working. I did a lot of research and had everything well documented when I talked to the land agents and construction managers.
There were hundreds of people that worked across my property……..starting with surveyors, biologists looking at environmental issues, moving on to tree clearing crews, dozer operators, trencher operators, more surveyors, crews to reseed the ground, etc.
It was a big economic benefit to the area, from campgrounds, hotels, restaurants, truck drivers, fuel distributors, equipment dealers, etc. In fact, my son who is an owner/project manager of a large commercial construction company said there was not a union operator/laborer available from any local union hall for about 100 miles along the line…….everyone was working. The crews were a mix of about 50% local operators/laborers and 50% professional pipeline employees that go wherever a pipeline is being constructed across North America.
Every crew had an ‘inspector’ that reviewed every part of the operation. I was very impressed with their effort at quality and safety. I met a lot of very professional people out there.
As a 40+ year employee of Caterpillar, it was a thrill to see all the equipment at work there, especially the Pipelayers (called side booms by the pipeline guys). You can always see a dozer/excavator at work, but the Pipelayers are hard to find. The Pipelayers are built in the plant where I was the Logistics Manager in Manufacturing Operations.
I think this is called aiding and abating our enemies. He just keeps tacking on the counts of this crime.
5 counts for each IS prisoner he released for Bergdahl. Now an additional count for helping secure money for IS.
But then again when the president decides who our enemy is, no one can be our enemy unless he wants them to be. So he is just helping the IS.
There were TWO railroad tank car incidents just last week!
But you don't care!
BTW, I hope you know how to do a job search online. Because after your employer takes a look at what you do on the district's time, you may need to find a new job.
"Do you want fries with that?"
It crosses the Mississippi River............maybe twice, as I am not sure which pipeline coming through MN/WI feeds the Flanagan South storage facility in central IL. It travels through prime farm ground here that raises 250-260 bushels of corn in an 'average' year. Some of that farmland sells for $15,000 per acre.
That's probably just as big a risk as crossing the Ogallala Aquifer, but having it roll across rail lines in 'decades old' tank cars might be a bigger risk. The Keystone Pipeline would reduce the distance the oil travels by several hundred miles.
I don't claim to be an expert in Petroleum Engineering/Logistics/Construction, but I was very impressed with their attention to detail. When I watched that 36" pipe go in to the ground it was in perfect condition.
trublu, it was 'fun' negotiating with the Enbridge land agent. Since I was retired, I guess I needed a challenge again. When I got the last check from them, the land agent wanted to know if I was interested in working for them :)
Most (not all) of my landowner friends who had farmland only (no timber) were very 'fine' with having the pipeline go through their land. They had purchased land/farmed over/existed with the current pipeline since 1952.
The Agriculture Mitigation Agreement the State of Illinois had Enbridge agree to called for the pipeline to be buried 5' deep(top of the pipe), required top soil and subsoil to be separated and put back in place as it was, and the surface was put back to the landowner's satisfaction. That's a quick summary of a big document.
The landowner was compensated 100% for the average crop yield in the construction year, 100% the following year, 75% the next year, and then 50% the fourth. I don't know the price paid for the soybeans, but the corn price used was $6.00+. Current corn price is around $3.60.
Of course the farm operator had undisturbed crops in 3 of those 4 years above. They received the checks for the 'damage' upfront.......most of these guys smile when they talk about it.
Timber owners have a different story......if you weren't prepared you probably weren't happy.
Guys, HoytVector = Buckhunter = PaulZ
I suppose the people who make the "Hello, my name is:" stickers must really appreciate all the business you throw their way.......
Maybe you can talk them into an expansion; add to the standard "Hello" sticker one that reads "Today my name is:"