basically underdeveloped men professing from their self-centered pulpits, zero days experience in the real world that doesn't revolve around them
"In a perfect world they would have both."
not much to ask, the rewards would be immeasurable
Food for the soul is as important as food for the body.
Yes, God, capital 'G', not small 'g' is capable. There is a reason 12 steps recognizes this.
But PZ, as a social scientist, the stats overwhelmingly show that kids raised in two parents homes perform better on a wide range of social barometers. Much has been made of the missing fathers in African-American communities and the link to higher rates of violence etc. The only thing about this that is unique is that there are higher rates of fathers gone absent in the African American community than others.
None of us can even begin to understand the wisdom of God. How would we even know that a person dying of any disease is not a prayer answered. Certainly our Faith tells us we will be challenged, we will face adversity. I don't have most of the answers, but one day I will. I hope you join us!
Long story short, I went back to church and it helped me with the process. My youngest (age 11) now asks when he can come to church with me and my oldest (age 15, would rather sleep in) but does ask questions s and take in interest. Last week, he asked my fiance and I what made us "believe in God." Pretty deep atruff and opened some great dialog. I never considered myself a "Bible thumper" but this country and its people sure could use a little more God!
you conveniently missed MFr, not to worry, he'll be back
BTW, welcome to the CF
What PZ described is people that are like out of alignment tires. They wobble and shimmy and beg Jesus when they have a need , which is all the time because they do not lead blessed lives. But when things are looking up and they have a buck or two they buy drugs or alcohol , beat their wives. Throw things at the husband , and cannot afford to buy food for the kids , gas for the car, wake up for work , wash the clothes or dishes and basically live like animals and treat their kids worse than they treat their dogs. Those are God less people. They definitely need God in their lives. God answers prayer , but He does not hear the prayer of the wicked , unless that prayer is a real prayer of repentance.
God bless, Steve
Sometimes you sound like YOU think you're God. You sure as hell think you're Gods pet with all the hogwash you spew!!
God bless, Steve
As I've said before. Don't feel sorry for me. If I end up in hell for following MY OWN heart, that's OK. BUT, if I end in hell for following YOUR heart, that is truly a hell I couldn't accept.
God bless, Steve
God bless, steve
An infant recognizes it's mother at birth because it has grown within her. We don't need to be reborn to her...ever! If the same could be said about God we would recognize him at birth and suffer no wickedness or sin throughout our growing years. We would not allow our fellow man to teach us wicked ways.
So, why be reborn? Shouldn't we be originally born to recognize our ultimate creator? No human knows anything about God until they are taught of him by another human. The only reason you know him is because you were taught of him by another human. You do not have instinctual knowledge of him as a natural occurring phenomenon.
Any man that claims to TRULY know the mind of God is a liar and a shyster, for most men don't even know their OWN minds!
"Oh and its obvious that you are speaking from hate. But hey. I can handle that. I expect it."
Of course you expect that...it's what you've been taught by other humans that think they are chosen to lead the lowly peasants to the promised land. That expectation stems from your fear of the unknown. You're afraid of your own mortality, therefore you are only comforted by convincing other people they should be afraid of theirs as well.
If people like you spent more time telling the common man (Those below your self-proclaimed "upper status") how good he is rather than how f**ked up he is, you might actually get a few more followers. But you aren't taught that way. I can handle THAT. I expect THAT.
Any man that claims to TRULY know the mind of God is a liar and a shyster, for most men don't even know their OWN minds!
Again, You are having an argument with the Word of God and not with me. I am not going to change the Word to make you feel good so it is fruitless of me to attempt to. Scripture says Who has known the mind of God? (referring to a scripture in the old testemant) Answer: But we (who is we?) now have the mind of Christ? (Christ is God manifest in the flesh) As to you continually alluding to me as one who thinks himself above everyone else./ That is absolutely false. I am nothing without Christ. The relationship I enjoy with Him is not because I am better than anyone or above anyone. It is because of his grace and forgivness. I did not even have the faith to believe. I did seek Him and call upon Him but I believe He even brought that about. He gave me the faith to believe. I didn't deserve it and didn't get it by any good thing I had ever done. I deserve to go to Hell. I won't because of Jesus and that is the absolute truth. I am no better than you or anyone here. Period. I do not consider myself to be. The only reason I answer any of this stuff is just in case someone that is hungry for a relationship with God will actually be hungry for truth instead of the garbage most of Christianity is feeding. This is life and death for me.
God bless, Steve
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro!
"So you are not attacking what I said, you are taking offense with what Jesus said, Your argument is not with me . It is with God Himself. 70."
"The only reason I answer any of this stuff is just in case someone that is hungry for a relationship with God will actually be hungry for truth instead of the garbage most of Christianity is feeding."
Everyone interprets Gods word differently. God has never suggested that I should hate, abhor, shun, etc. anyone! He has not said these things to me. YOU have said you were taught these things by God. What he says to you is none of my concern, therefore I suggest you keep your interpretation of truth and/or garbage to yourself.
I was not taught to hate in the name of the lord. I have nothing to hide nor will I pander to your psychological shell game in an effort to give you comfort as you face your own life challenges.
You preach peace and forgiveness in the name of Christianity, but you spread subliminal hatred to your young and weak minded followers by telling them that God hates certain members of his creation.
And once again, certain Christians like yourself cannot understand why the world is so F'ed up. They just don't want to admit that they are loosing their choke hold on society.
You say you have nothing to hide , However every time there is a thread that has any thing to do with Christianity. There ya are attacking it and those posting. It makes me think you might have been raised by someone that was very domineering and religious.
I'm not playing any kind of game here 70. Just trying my best to answer your attacks and hopefully mollify your anger a bit. Oh and God did not create deviants and queers., They do that all by themselves or with another Sodomite. They are a product of wickedness not a creation of God.
When you call Christians weak minded you set your self as superior. I can see that tude in your lying about what I have said. Subliminal hatred would be way above my weak mind . I would not even know where to start with subliminal. Like do you play it backwards and it says hate Sodomites if you play it a certain speed. I am pretty clear and direct in what I say. I said God hates Sodomy and that those that practice it and encourage it will incur His wrath., He does not need my help in destroying them. They actually do a pretty good job of that theselves.
Do yourself a favor and read these verses.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
I wonder if that could be STDs and AIDS ect?
God bless, Steve
I worked with an openly, but discretely gay female teacher. She was married 25 years to an Air Force officer and had 2 kids. I asked if we could have an open conversation, and we did. I asked for her to help explain why or what happened that led her to the gay life style. She asked me when I knew for sure I liked girls and became aroused by them. I said I had a crush in 5th grade and fell in love with my 7th grade teacher. She said she always had those types of feelings for females, from the start. She tried to fight it, raised her family in the Church and wanted to be "normal". She was never happy though and felt every time like sex with her husband was rape. She is a kind and caring person and I could feel the pain her internal conflict caused her.
I know some will probably say that she was being tempted, that the devil was at work. And maybe so. All I know is that I am glad that I was born heterosexual. Life has been much easier for me than it has for her. I also have come to realize that I do not possess the wisdom of Solomon and hope that God will forgive all of us that have sinned if we repent. I pray I will be allowed into His Kingdom one day, and look forward to understanding issues like this that good and decent people had to face.
