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sundowner 16-Jun-15
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From: sundowner
16-Jun-15
I would much prefer him to the current White House occupant.

It is true that he is pro American, and we have not seen that from the current POS.

It is doubtful that he will do well, but will make the first few primaries fun to watch. I would rather see him in it than say, Santorum or Christie.

And, Trump may have the staying power financially.

From: Two Feathers
16-Jun-15
I don't trust Trump.

From: bb
16-Jun-15
I'm keeping an open mind...would much rather in concept have a non DC insider politician who is a shrewd business man in the white house than all of the alternatives. I get the distinct feeling that what you see with trump is what you get, I don't think there are any mysteries. I also believe he would surround himself with qualified advisers. Right now, I'm kinda liking' it.

From: Hunting5555
16-Jun-15
I don't trust Trump either, but I do think he will be a benefit to the White House race.

I do like that he has the cajons to speak his mind no matter who's toes he stomps on! He should at least liven the race up.

From: gadan
16-Jun-15
If Trump ever sees more than 3% in the polling, I'd be amazed.

From: sureshot
16-Jun-15
I like his concept, say what you believe, not what a hack tells you to. After the BigO, some people may be able to accept the truth a little better.

From: Woods Walker
16-Jun-15
He won't win, but I like him in the race because he takes no prisoners and is not afraid to say what he believes. He'll stir the chit and hopefully get people talking about issues.

From: tinecounter
16-Jun-15
Based on his speech today, Trump’s bumper sticker is:

The truth? You can’t handle the truth!

From: South Farm
16-Jun-15
Two things, Trump is one hell of a debater...something Romney should've polished up on last go around. Two, anybody that don't think a celebrity like Trump stands a chance should study up on political races here in Minnesota. Does "We shocked the world" or "dog gone it people like me" ring any bells?? Stranger things have happened.

From: joshuaf
16-Jun-15
I don't think he has a good chance of getting the nomination, but if he stays in the primary race for a while, I think he might surprise a lot of folks with how many votes he actually gets. Despite the fact that he has an atrocious negative rating among Republicans in their opinion of him, I think some people will begrudgingly start to like him and even vote for him based purely on the fact that they like how he speaks his mind about anything and everything, with no regard for what people think about him as a result. That certainly would differentiate him from most politicians, including most politicians likely to be in the GOP primary this year. I think you can very easily draw some strong parallels between him and the support that Ross Perot got in his bid for President. I think it would be fun to have him in the race for a while, could make some debates very interesting (and uncomfortable for some other participants!).

From: DL
16-Jun-15
If nothing else I hope he blasts Hillary from now until she's gone. He's definitely not afraid of the consequences of speaking his mind. I don't think he's electable but neither was Obama.

From: leftybearfan
16-Jun-15
That's the best outcome, IMO. I don't think Trump will be able to carry the GOP nomination, but her can surely use his air time to tell anyone who will listen how awful Hillary would be for the country.

16-Jun-15
cant wait till he drops an "F" bomb at the debates

From: Woods Walker
16-Jun-15
Trump has made over 8 BILLION dollars. Obama can't even spell that!

16-Jun-15
DL yes, if he does nothing but speak truth to Hillary Clintons machine he'll have done us all a great service. Go Trump!

From: MT in MO
16-Jun-15
"Trump has made over 8 BILLION dollars. Obama can't even spell that!"

that's nothing...Obama has spent TRILLIONS!!! and he still doesn't know where it all comes from...

From: DL
16-Jun-15
If trump really wanted to do damage register as a democrat and go after her.

From: Stumpkiller
16-Jun-15
I hope he is relentless in exposing the criminal clintons,before he has to bow out.

16-Jun-15
Meh...he's just a paid shill to 'arrange' voters brains temporarily. The elites plan this stuff out well in advance. They've got teams of analysts from MIT and Harvard.

It'll be Clinton-Bush 2016.

Sickening...almost worrying...if I cared much anymore.

Kabuki theatre.

From: Sixby
16-Jun-15
Here is one thing you can trust. Trump would not have entered the race if he did not plan on winning. The second thing is that he is a winner/ The third thing is that He knew in his heart he could and would win or he would not be wasting his time. Fourth He is a real American that loves this country and believes in it and believes that he has the answers for the USA economy and world policy. He is not hanging back because no one else really has the answers or the ability to defeat the establishment which was going to nominate king Bush. The Democrats are going to pieces right now and so is the Republican establishment. For the first time in a long time I have some hope for this country other than a civil war.

God bless, Steve

From: Woods Walker
16-Jun-15

From: itshot
16-Jun-15
Ahhhhh what the heck?

Trump in '16

It would be a goddamm hoot

From: Shuteye
16-Jun-15
The media are all having a big laugh. I think Trump will surprise a whole lot of people.

From: Woods Walker
16-Jun-15
I listened to his whole interview, and I've got to say I LIKE him. Yes, he has a huge ego. Yes, he's probably a real A-hole as a person. But he STILL has actually DONE things and not just talked about it. He obviously knows how to motivate and lead because you don't make that much money as a successful businessman without doing both of those things, and doing them extremely well.

We need a 180 from where we've been, and he's wanting to do that.

From: Stumpkiller
16-Jun-15
I just read an article by a guy who interviewed "The Donald", he was impressed that when the cameras were off Trump was actually a pretty good guy, unlike other (most?) elected officials.

From: HeadHunter®
17-Jun-15
Sixby X 2 .... I think Steve is right and I too am glad Trump is in now! I hope he stays in and does WIN the Repub. Nomination and the 2016 election !!! Trump will bloody their noses, toe to toe, and make them all squirm!

From: Sixby
17-Jun-15
I love watching Trump telling O Reilly to be quiet and let him finish. Just cracked me up. Anyone that can shut O Reilly down is presidential. it was funny listening to O Reilly saying we have to do this and do that and this won't work and Donald telling him he was wrong and why. We have such a bunch of lilly livered traitors running this country that people have started believing we can't. And , as long as they are left in control this is true. I am so blessed to see their clock unwinding and no one to wind it back up.

God bless, steve

From: slade
17-Jun-15
From: Dave G.
17-Jun-15

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I think Trump is going to wind up as one of the top favorites among the GOP candidates.

It's obvious that he'll garner the "big city folk" votes, but he's also going to capture a lot of the "middle America" vote, especially since he's sporting that red fox hat that appears to be gaining popularity. :^)

From: gflight
17-Jun-15
Almost runs....

1988 "If the right man doesn't get into office your going to see a catastrophe" 2000 "Oprah Winfrey would be a great running mate." 2004 "Very seriously considering a run" 2008 "I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the U.S." 2012 "I always said the worst president was Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter goes to second place. Obama has been worst ever"

Side show entertainment...

From: Woods Walker
17-Jun-15
Maybe...BUT...the man has earned over 8 billion dollars. He can lead, he can motivate, he deals from a position of strength. He's not just talked about things, he's DONE them. There aren't many that he's running with who can say that.

I'm getting real tired of running mouths. I want to see things HAPPEN for a change.

From: one shot
17-Jun-15
His slogan should be

" I did build that" and "I can re-build America"

From: Owl
17-Jun-15
His very presence discredits the process.

From: Shuteye
17-Jun-15
Well look at it this way. A community organizer that was a do nothing senator was elected two times. No experience at all yet he got elected, Twice! Trump has done things and made a lot of money. He must be able to organize and direct people.

From: keepemsharp
17-Jun-15
Did he say anywhere in his speech that was running as a Republican?

From: Sixby
17-Jun-15
Trump is more of an independent but is running as a Republican. I doubt that he wants to split the party vote and put Hillarious in the White House. He definitely is not in agreement with any of the Democrat socialist agenda.

As to the Oprah thing. Trump simply did not want her to be offended. I took and still do not take that conversation seriously as Trump knew where George was trying to lead him and simply did not fall for the ruse.

I am not a Trump fan and never have been. However I do believe that He has an ability to pull this country out and to do what we need to do to restore respect and authority to out highest office. For some reason I cannot see anyone else with the intestinal fortitude too do what needs to be done when facing the job ahead , especially with congress and the bunch of turncoat wishy washy slime inhabititn Washington. Trump has them all shaking in their boots right now.

That is because they know he will turn them inside out and upside down and shake the tree until the nuts fall out.

I still want to hear more though. I want to know what he and anyone else running for office is going to do with this out of control government that is stifiling out economy. Namely the EPA, IrS and other three letter curse words.

God bless, Steve

From: Woods Walker
17-Jun-15
Look at it this way. ALL the GOP "talkers" finally got control of all of the legislative branch and despite all the hot air that came from them they've done NOTHING to counter Obama. I'm tied of talk. I want someone who will DO something instead of just lip service.

If Trump would actually attempt to start doing something if he got elected then we'd be better off than where we are now.

From: Owl
17-Jun-15
At this rate, the debates will need stadium seating. For the candidates.

From: sundowner
17-Jun-15
"ALL the GOP "talkers" finally got control of all of the legislative branch and despite all the hot air that came from them they've done NOTHING to counter Obama."

WW, you are simply not listening. We have been told by the RINO enablers here many times that the Repugs simply have not gotten around to picking a battle they want to fight. And even if they do, they can only do one thing at at time. Right now they are busy trying to relinquish more of their constitutional powers to obama.

Be patient. All in due time.

They'll get around to raising taxes and increasing spending right away.....then they will probably help obama finish emptying and closing Gitmo.

From: DL
17-Jun-15
Maybe he'll fire Pelosi, Boxer and that Frankenstien.

From: Amoebus
17-Jun-15
Three marriages, four bankruptcies and a member of the WWE Hall of Fame. What is not to love?

He just has to fear a big wind from his right.

From: slade
17-Jun-15

From: ar troy
17-Jun-15
I'm with KPC and Owl. I think he likes to hear his own lips flap.

From: RK
17-Jun-15
AR. So does Hillary Obama a skew of republicans Politicians like to hear their own lips flap. Really? That's unique?

Trump is basically saying what most here wanted someone to say, just not Trump.

Got it. Carry on

From: ar troy
17-Jun-15
RK,

What I mean is, I think he just likes for his opinions to be heard, and doesn't really believe a whole lot in much of what he says. If he spends 100 or even 200 million to stroke his own ego, get his opinions and decrees heard, and keep himself relevant in his own eyes, it will be worth it to him, and really little more than you or I taking a couple hundred bucks to take out an ad in the local paper.

I guess I just don't really believe he wants to run the country as much as be seen as someone richer, and possibly smarter, with better ideas than anyone else.

He says some things we can get behind, but on the other hand supports democrats with some of his money, and says things like Oprah would be a good running mate. I think Donald Trump sans a great big pile of money, is just another goofball people would disregard as a blowhard, which is how I view him, money or not.

From: RK
17-Jun-15
AR. I Agree with a lot of that. But many of the others are Blow Hards. Without the money

18-Jun-15
It came down to it, I'd vote for him...Can't #%!@ us up anymore than OBaby has...Hell no on Clinton!

From: Stumpkiller
18-Jun-15
I don't think he has a chance of getting nominated, but he'll sure stir things up. Expect a full media attack soon, especially if he goes after clinton.

From: Woods Walker
18-Jun-15
Yes, Trump is certainly a lot of the things troy says.

But look at who he's running with...a LOT of Republican politicians who've done NOTHING but run off at the mouth, and in some caes when they do finally get into a position of power they DO NOTHING!!!! Just more talk and inaction.

Trump, as mouthy as he is, has at least DONE somehting...like make over 8 billion dollars.

Really...what have we got to lose??

From: Woods Walker
18-Jun-15
If I want a friend I'll call one. I've got several.

For President I want a LEADER who's not afraid to solve a problem and who's shown that he HAS solved problems and not just talked about them.

Really now, for most the GOP field, just what HAVE they done, other than get themselves elected?

From: Hunting5555
18-Jun-15
Here's the kicker....

The Oprah comment he actually made 16 years ago!!!

They are now digging it up trying to make a big deal out of it.

From: sureshot
18-Jun-15
A person like Trump. ..one who consistently holds a view....speaks his own mind even when it is not popular. ..knows how to lead...doesn't really need to worry about special interests. I wouldn't count him out,I believe people are ready for a leader that tells it like it is, I believe people are tired of the same old lifetime politician that changes their position with the daily political poll.

From: ar troy
18-Jun-15
"Really now, for most the GOP field, just what HAVE they done, other than get themselves elected?"

I understand, and agree to an extent, but Trump is at the other extreme end of the scale. He has never been a councilman or mayor, much less president.

"A person like Trump. ..one who consistently holds a view....speaks his own mind even when it is not popular. ..knows how to lead...doesn't really need to worry about special interests. I wouldn't count him out,I believe people are ready for a leader that tells it like it is, I believe people are tired of the same old lifetime politician that changes their position with the daily political poll."

Which in my opinion sureshot, is the reason that Ted Cruz should be getting widespread support here on Bowsite, and across the country. It's also why I won't be voting republican if they nominate another McCain or Romney.

From: sureshot
18-Jun-15
"I understand, and agree to an extent, but Trump is at the other extreme end of the scale. He has never been a councilman or mayor, much less president."

Are you saying someone not being a politician is a bad thing? The government is filled from top to bottom with incompetent beings that would be homeless on the street if they had to make a living outside the political bubble. While there are surely a few good politicians, most were successful in the private sector before becoming a politician.

From: ar troy
18-Jun-15
"Are you saying someone not being a politician is a bad thing?"

Certainly not, I have a deep dislike for almost all politicians, and for good reason. But I do think we have to be very careful in considering businessmen, especially businessmen like Trump, whose success is one of the primary reasons some folks are seriously looking at him in the first place.

Being the boss of even a large business, and touting an ability to get things done is to me very different than being a president. Half of the people in a man's business typically don't hate his guts, and actively work to make him a failure. Being the boss means being able to set the accomplishment of a goal as everyone's job, and if you don't like it, there's always the unemployment line. You can't fire Congressmen and Senators who want nothing more than for you to fail.

Had Trump made his style of leadership work in even a small republican style of government setting, then we could feel more comfortable thinking that he may in fact be able to accomplish his stated goals. As it is, we have absolutely no way of knowing whether he could get a thing done, which to me takes that attribute off the table for him.

I certainly wouldn't prefer any kind of Washington insider politician as my ideal candidate, but I also want to rest assured that he at least knows how government works. If the guy lived his life ordering things done, and that's the way it happened, I'm not too sure that is good training for a president. I think that is somewhat indicative of the president we have now.

From: bb
18-Jun-15
"I understand, and agree to an extent, but Trump is at the other extreme end of the scale. He has never been a councilman or mayor, much less president."

Even more reason why he would be great for the job...I'm sick and tired of career politicians who's only motive is to continue getting elected usually at the expense of what needs to be done with the country.

From: Woods Walker
18-Jun-15
Actually a Senator or Congressman would be my LAST choice for POTUS, if that's all they've ever done. Legislators aren't necessarily leaders....just politicians that know how to get elected.

A governor, military leader or someone who's been a successful CEO of a large corporation IMO is better qualified to hold the highest executive office in the land because they have experience in that kind of job.

Obama is a PRIME example of someone who was NOT qualified to be POTUS (and at this point has demonstrated beyond all doubt that he's incapable of learning on the job also). Hillary is right behind him. When Hillary did have a high level position in government she FUBAR'ed it royally.

I like what Cruz, Rubio, Paul and many of the others say obviously, but when it comes down to it they're inexperinced at the job of CEO. Please note that I left Walker out of the list because he actually DOES have job experience as a CEO and he did quite well at it. Fiorino also looks good but she doesn't have the additional creds of actually being in government like Walker does.

I'm a businessman. Talk is important and can get you in the door, but when it's nut crackin' time you simply must GET IT DONE or you're gone.

We simply cannot afford another 4 years of do nothing failure.

Can Trump do it? Who knows? If he DOES get results, then the rest will have to go along with him because the proof is in the bottom line, even though they may hate him.

The LAST thing we need is more bullsh*t and inactivity!!!

From: Hunting5555
19-Jun-15
I actually have a local example of a business exec. being elected to an office.

My home town's current mayor was the CEO of a fairly large public corporation out east for several years. He retired and moved back to his home town. He didn't like what he saw as far as things not getting done, money being wasted, etc... So last mayor's election he ran and won.

He's actually doing a pretty good job. The biggest problem he had to overcome was the snapping of the fingers thinking something would immediately get done. He had to get used to the fact he had a city council he had to work with and get approval from. He's getting better.

He is very good at dealing with problems with vendors, etc...

He sometimes forgets that in a job such as mayor, that sometimes "because I said so" just doesn't work.

Overall, he's doing a pretty good job. He's slowly learning how to balance private business vs. public.

Granted, president vs. mayor is a huge difference, but I would imagine someone like Trump would face some of the same issues.

From: bb
19-Jun-15
Those are issues that we can deal with

From: Tate Tanka
19-Jun-15
I heard that he threw his hair in the ring

From: Woods Walker
19-Jun-15
What you say may be true. But then going by this criteria, HOW do you trust the other people that are running? By what they say they will do? Many already been elected to public office and STILL have done nothing.

The time for talk is over and has been over for a long time. It's time to start DOING.

From: Woods Walker
19-Jun-15
I think about it and I keep coming back to this.....

Most of the people running have done one concrete thing other than talk, and that's get themselves elected. Then nothing else much else happens until they need to get elected again. Walker is the exception to that.

Trump talks too...a LOT. But he's also made over 8 billion dollars. You need to be able to do a lot more than talk to make that kind of money or make ANY business a success for that matter, large or small...you've got to GET IT DONE!

Quite frankly my biggest concern is that he will have to learn the ins and outs of government and the legislative process, but as a successful businessman he also knows how to pick the right people, delegate and motivate.

Right now I'm getting very leery of anyone who's been part of the GOP for a long time. They finally got the control they wanted and STILL nothing is happening. They're as bad as Obama with his not even having a plan to deal with ISIS yet.

I don't want to hear anymore BS. I want results...NOW!

From: ar troy
19-Jun-15
WW,

Right there with ya on all of that, but if making money is a qualification, Bill Gates, George Soros, and Mark Zuckerberg are qualified candidates on the democrat side.

You can't tell me that anyone with one eye and half sense couldn't take one look at Ted Cruz and not know a Cruz presidency would turn Washington on it's ear. The absolute best way for someone like Trump to make a difference would be to pick someone like Cruz or Rand Paul, and throw his money behind them. He doesn't do that, which is one big reason that I think most of his stuff is disingenuous bluster. The country knows Trump. They have heard a lot of his crap before, and had we came away with the thought that he was a brilliant leader we couldn't do without, he would already be in office.

I agree that Trump being in the race may cause Hillary some heartburn, but I think he is just as likely to cause fellow republicans a lot as well, running away from some of his goofier pronouncements, and spending valuable time putting distance between them and him.

From: Woods Walker
20-Jun-15
I can't argue with any of that troy, and I like Cruz a lot. BUT.......same deal, in that he's an unknown quantity. His only achievement other than getting elected and saying what we want to hear is what?

I will say as a plus for him is that he's been one of the rare few who've actually stood tall with his filibuster on the Obamacare tax, and that's good but again, it's all show. He's a lawyer by trade who's spent most of his working life in government. That's exactly the M.O. of the very people who have gotten us into the situation we're in today.

We need something different.

My attitude in assessing the potential POTUS that I will vote for is that first he/she must share much of my political beliefs (and that's obviously a given!). Then they've got to have a track record of some sort which goes beyond a voting record. I want to see leadership skills. That is going to be very hard for someone who's only been in the legislative branch of government. Yes they can talk, but can they lead/manage?

I'm a small businessman. In the 39 years I've been in business I've hired (and fired!) many people. When I'm looking for someone for a specific job, of course I want to hear how and why they are suitable for that job, but I also want to see some job experience, especially if the job involves operating machinery, supervising people or selling/dealing with customers.

Why should choosing a President be any different?

20-Jun-15
"I heard that he threw his hair in the ring."

Very good. :)

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