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Boehner Plans Vast Easing of Penal Code, Which Might Keep New Son-in-law Out of the Pen
"There’s the old saying, “If you aim at the king, you had better not miss.” And that’s true -- but if you aim at the king and miss, the king learns that some people out there are mad enough to take shots at him -- and maybe he takes steps to address that.
As John Fund pointed out on the cruise, you can’t beat somebody with nobody. Frustrated conservatives need a lawmaker to stand as an alternative speaker. So who’s it going to be?"
As a matter of fact, if we had replaced all members of Congress with chimps several decades ago...
And though I doubt they will be successful in kicking Boehner out, I'm glad the motion was filed.
"The Repubs must pick their battles....can't win them all!"
"Can't defund useless and wasteful government programs....Obama might veto it!"
"Can't repeal and replace Obamacare......not possible!
"Give them time and we'll hold their feet to the fire if they don't act!"
That's called defending the EGOP. And the question was silly......or someone hasn't been paying attention.
If the examples you cited were linked to maintenance of the status quo you'd be spot-on, no question.
When the examples however are often tethered to statements about the need to expand the conservative base (from the local to state to federal levels) and the need to replace leaders than you are equally wrong in your assessment.
Acknowledgement of reality is not acquiescence. Anyone can hurl epithets at a perceived (or in many examples cited, a real one) problem; that's the easy part. The hard part is to first pose the question internally, "to what end?"
I'm sorry but I haven't seen too much evidence that too many brain cells here have been devoted to cracking that nut.
Not when I see remarks like "And the question was silly......or someone hasn't been paying attention."
Ponder also for a moment who initiated this thread about ousting a sad excuse for a "leader"; any thought at all on his intent or standing on the issue?
It is not. Anyone who has any depth of thinking on this subject would know better. I have said before, here, on more than one occasion, that I want Boehner gone. I'll wager that Henry and Mike in CT, and Nvagvup, among others, share in that sentiment without fear of losing that bet.
I work in a business where I have to respect client money. There are dozens of things I can do, but if it does not get them closer to their end game, I refrain from doing it. If I were to do them, it would be a waste of client money. People clamor for "aggressive" lawyers. I tell them that I can be aggressive, so tell me how much aggression you can afford. It is not hard to turn any simple case into a $50-$100k case if you fight every little thing, including the battles you know you can't win, and the ones that don't make a damn bit of difference to the client's bottom line but the lawyer can get a new condo in Puerto Vallarta and a new Benz to park there. Or, I can pick my battles, and let you keep more money in your pocket, while getting you to the same place.
Worse, this is Washington politics, meaning that futile acts have other consequences. Whoever sponsored this will not get much to the floor, or what they do try to pass will be sent to a hostile committee. When I was working on the CCW stuff in Colorado, I could tell if a bill would pass by who sponsored it.
Same here. The move to oust Boehner at this time was dead before it started. Spend time, energy and capital on those matters that get you closer to the goal. But don't bother, keep believing that opposing futile moves is an endorsement of the status quo. It's a substitute for thinking that too many have made into a habit.
If that were not true, Boehner would be GONE.
As pointed out above, you claim that everyone not falling for your "scorched earth" policy toward the republican party must be supporting all the GOP is doing. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. You keep claiming that there is no difference between the good guys and the bad guys which is exactly what the leftist strategy wants people to believe.
It is how they demoralize the opposition into surrender before the battle begins.
The majority of elected party hacks lack the courage to do the right thing, thus making them complicit. This is what is demoralizing the base. The battle began long ago with no progress toward limited government over reach or restoration of a Constitutional Republic.
I understand you don't believe the liberties of the US citizen have been declining. Most here, observing by general comments, strongly disagree.
boehenr should have been gone long ago and should definitely (along with several others in both House and Senate) be out ASAP.
"You, Sundowner, and some others are so twisted....."
None of this is personal, bk. I doubt that our friend Nva would approve of the personal attacks. No need for it.
Mike, thanks for a well thought out post. No insults, yet you make me consider your point of view, and it is valid.
If I recall, the majority of a Republican house voted to retain him as speaker and are therefore part of the problem. You seem to want to gloss over the numbers.
Those that voted against him are considered to be hard-line conservatives that you say you support. There are 246 Republicans in the house. As I recall, only around 25 voted against his retention. I would bet that small minority would like to see some scotched earth "turnover" of that clear majority also. Count me among them.
As far as I'm concerned, that clearly indicated the majority of house Republicans endorse the EGOP, as much as you and others wish it weren't true.
You keep implying a great leftist strategy by myself and others that disagree with your opinions. Meanwhile, Rome burns.
The question has been posted before. How long are you willing to attempt to reverse that majority EGOP status? How long do you think a technically insolvent government has to change course? How long should longtime Republicans wait for the strategies you and others have outlined to succeed? For that matter, what is your measure of success, Democrats lose and government continues to grow under Republican leadership? In my mind, that's still a BIG fail.
...that is not a joke.
The Rock
An insurrection at the ballot box.
Some reason you don't want to answer my questions?
added: I choose to work within the current framework until I see another more likely to succeed. Nobody has proposed one yet IMO.
So you see your current proposals likely to succeed? When?
edit: You're right, establishment is such a hateful word. But I'm the one being self righteous. Hmmm.
1. The republican party must be taken over by conservatives if it is to be effective.
2. A "third party" strategy is just a way to assure more rapid total takeover by leftists and destruction of our nation.
3. The general population of the nation may claim to be conservative, but will not stand for a true conservative government.
4. Until the population changes, nothing will save our nation.
I'm not sure that I have shared this, but my fear is the takeover of the nation by fascist (perceived conservative but in no way actually conservative) socialists under cover of undoing the damage done by leftists. Fed up and unthinking people will fall for almost anything (witness the Trump phenomenon) that catches their fancy as a way to change what they perceive as the wrong direction of the nation. People are ready to have their ears tickled. People may see this as the pendulum swinging back, but it is far from that.
The nation is definitely headed in the wrong direction, but the cure could be worse than the disease.
I'm also not sure a Constitutional Republic was ever intended to be a purely conservative form of government. It was intended to be a collection of States whose citizens would be allowed to choose their own path within the constraints of a central Constitution while limiting the role of a centralized Federal government. No doubt the founders also put much emphasis on God and a solid moral compass balanced with if it neither breaks our bones or picks our pockets.
I don't think the Republican party is ready to be taken over by conservatives any time soon and leftists have already taken over the nation. As the nation moved left, the Republican party moved left with them.
It is hard for me to believe most everyone here isn't cognizant and vigilant to the concerns of fascism (the blending of corporatism/government) since that is the direction of the system we presently find ourselves in. The democratic party being overtly open about it and the republican party slightly more covert.
I'm sure many in colonial times felt the revolution was a worse cure than the disease of tyranny too. I would like to believe you are right that voting makes a difference. I truly do because I keep encouraging my friends and loved ones to do so. I have never called for open, violent insurrection, although I have prepared for the defense of myself and family for unpredictable events that may occur as a result of it or other social upheavals. Not out of fear but rather common sense. People are nuts.
You seem to think Trump's popularity is rising because people are unthinking. Maybe so, maybe not. Seems like a rush to judgment at this stage.
Never did and never will...wait a minute..there was something around the middle 1700's....
"The nation is definitely headed in the wrong direction, but the cure could be worse than the disease. "
"The general population of the nation may claim to be conservative.....
Wow.. HA....you are jokin right? Where did that stat come from the CF? Get a grip.
The Rock
What stat?
The speaker is taken to task by establishment supporters to deny they are supporting the E team, while defending the majority that support the speaker.
How else can one explain the indignation over the term EGOP and compare it to the offensive tea bagger term. Let me be clear. I am a tea bagger, not on the E team. I don't need to speak out of both sides of my mouth.
Still, questions go intentionally unanswered because establishment is such a derogatory word.
I am not surprised. I am off to shooting practice because it is a fun way to prepare for the consequences of so many ignoring political and economic reality.
Maybe I'll return to see more innuendo via another cute horsey picture. Hahahaha.
House Speaker Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) had been planning to call up on the House floor last week a measure from Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) that would have removed him as Speaker of the House if it succeeded—intending to embarrass Meadows—but abandoned the plan after his entire leadership structure learned that they did not have the votes to re-elect him as Speaker before the August recess.
"...“I know members personally who were called by Steve Scalise. So they had the entire leadership whip team frantically making phone calls to members to whip the vote because they wanted to attempt to embarrass Meadows and call the vote [on Wednesday last week] so it’s not hanging over Boehner’s head.
“What they found out was the exact opposite. They found out bad things would happen, that literally they would be calling the vote without knowing what would happen. Therefore, they did not call the vote and now they have this issue hanging over John Boehner’s head for the next five weeks.”..."
(continued at link--neat read!)
This is just a good first step with many flights of stairs yet to climb.
