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Mike B 01-Oct-15
Rocky 01-Oct-15
Sixby 01-Oct-15
one-eye 01-Oct-15
Hunting5555 01-Oct-15
Sixby 01-Oct-15
Rocky 01-Oct-15
Anony Mouse 01-Oct-15
HA/KS 01-Oct-15
Hunting5555 02-Oct-15
BowSniper 02-Oct-15
Shuteye 02-Oct-15
MT in MO 02-Oct-15
Anony Mouse 02-Oct-15
HA/KS 02-Oct-15
Anony Mouse 03-Oct-15
HA/KS 03-Oct-15
Anony Mouse 03-Oct-15
Yendor 03-Oct-15
From: Mike B
01-Oct-15
With Russian troops and aircraft now in Syria to prop up Assad, it seems that unless we just give up and leave completely that a confrontation between US and Russian aircraft is almost unavoidable.

Yesterday, Russia said they bombed ISIS targets..but they didn't, instead bombing a rebel group whose goal was to oust Assad, and the group was not ISIS related in any way.

If our CIF can't grow a pair, and do it quick, the US may be looking at a whole lot more trouble than anyone bargained for. I don't think Russia can financially afford a war with the US, but that may not stop their air-jockeys from tossing a few missiles at US aircraft.

If they do, the S is gonna HTF.

From: Rocky
01-Oct-15
Maybe its time the American people should wake up to the military propaganda that has been shoved down our throats and that which we so giddily agree.

The military has been stripped to unbelievable levels since this "recreation center organizer" has had the controls. Make no mistake about it. He believes that being friends with everyone is the way to peace. Since man has walked this earth fear is the final and ,most powerful deterrent. Those sandal wearing towel heads just brought Obama to the table and punk slapped him with only one card to play: FEAR. Fear of a nuclear weapon. How do you dispose a threat such as this? Remove the fear and show the world that they do not have to agree with us but they would do well to reconsider. When we dispose of tyranny and the threat of mankind who is going to object? Who? The next target? Fuq the UN and their table thumping hollow BS. Who the hell needs them? Democrats? Watch the world stand a little closer with their heads held up when the U.S. enters the room.

Russia has little to fear with this weak humiliating man we call our leader at the helm. Putin is a street guy, a very dangerous man indeed because he has something to prove with nothing to lose. He rolls the dice and eyes the girls at the same time caring less which 'comes' first.

Know this. Israel stands tall with big brother watching over and everyone in the middle east knows this. That as of late has been flagging. Assad and Syria is Russia's Israel. Russia will do whatever it must to keep him there. If American and Russian air power somehow collide accidentally or on purpose Russia will be the winner in the eyes of the weak that America has abandoned. That will be the death knell for the U.S. in the middle east.

America at one time was the white hat who rode in at the nick of time to save the world. The dirt and crud that has accumulated upon that hat over the past 7 years makes it indistinguishable from the black hat who was always the threat. Now appearances no longer matter. Substance will win the day for those who have the strength and the courage to use it.

This event may tell us once and for all who is who in this world. I am not feeling all that good with O and Kerry leading our parade.

A simple S.Philly street attitude would go a long way.

O:

"Demand" a meeting with Putin immediately. Leave the 5 o clock shadow go for 3 days. Do whatever you have to do to get that "mist and squint" in your eyes and sit with Putin in private..no one else in the room..no one. O sits down, no handshaking for pics, unbuttons his top and breaks down his tie knot with obvious aggravation and disgust, says not a word and just stares at Putin with a wrinkled forehead. The first one that speaks is the loser. If Putin says anything O cuts him off IMMEDIATELY and goes right into what America is GOING to get, what Russia is GOING to get and they both are going to agree to, at least for the press. They can word it anyway they want for the sake of both but the deal has already been struck and penned yesterday at the WH awaiting Putin's signature. Should Putin resist and try his strong arm tactics, O smiles waves his hand and rises. The ultimate insult to be standing over another of the same status as they are speaking. This shows contempt and superiority. Putin knows this. Now under complete composure, O fixes his shirt and tie, stands erect looks at Putin and cuts him off. In a very stern slow serious tone and body language O tells Putin the decision has been made to your answer YESYERDAY. O leaves the room and if beckoned continues on and leaves Putin to his own devices.

Shortly in the future under the quiet guise of blindfolded diplomats Putin agrees to sign with a few changes. The changes do not matter because they were originally installed to be removed if necessary in the event that Russia need a " demand" to be fulfilled.

Assad stays. That will not be changed and the US can play that off easily. Russia and the US avoid conflict at all costs in the middle east...but the die has been cast. Now secretly all know who is who.

The Rock

From: Sixby
01-Oct-15
Rocky, Boy you have quite an imagination. Like day dreaming an impossibility. Obama being strong????????? Go get another cup of coffee bro and face reality. We have what we have , whatever that is it isn't about to do what we need to do. Not now and by the time we get someone who will it might be too late . That is my fear for this country. That and the fact that as a country we have literally attacked God.

God bless, Steve

From: one-eye
01-Oct-15
Rocky- I fear that the above confrontation has already happened, only that Putin's and O's roles were reversed.

From: Hunting5555
01-Oct-15
Personally, I'm just waiting for the day it is announced that Damascus is destroyed by a nuke.

For you guys who think the Bible is just a collection of stories, it says that Damascus will be utterly destroyed over night. Just so you know......

So for you guys that do believe in the Bible, does it shock you that we are basically going head to head with Russia in Syria?

From: Sixby
01-Oct-15
In fact this coalition of nations is named as the ones plus some that will form a 200,ooo,o0o man army that will come up against Israel to destroy it. What happens then is called the Battle of Armageddon where God destroys 185,000,000 of those men. We are seeing so much Bible prophecy fulfilled now it is almost if not on a daily basis. It is my contention that God has sped time up , called the hastening time. to end this mess and bring on the thousand year reign of Jesus on this earth as the King of Kings./ God bless, Steve

From: Rocky
01-Oct-15
Steve,

I have been a member of the CF for quite some time. Imagination. I think I have learned something. ;-)

The Rock

From: Anony Mouse
01-Oct-15

From: HA/KS
01-Oct-15

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: Hunting5555
02-Oct-15
"Where US is superior is it's ability to communicate with all it's aircraft at once with the AWACs system."

There have been some supposed events in the last year and a half that calls this into question. In one incident, it is reported that a Russian plane repeatedly fly by, completely shut down all electronics on one of our latest Navy ships and left it dead in the water until the plane left the area.

From: BowSniper
02-Oct-15
Does anyone remember when our super secret RQ-170 Sentinel drone was brought down intact inside Iran? The Russians have tech that can bring down our drones, and they proved it inside Iran to capture our advanced drone technology and Stealth secrets. Crazy to have left that drone in one piece to be captured and studied!

Russia also brought down at least one drone over Crimea. Bad sign for our tech advantage over their numbers and power.

02-Oct-15
In a world that is working correctly the Russian plane is shot down with a ship to air missile about 100 miles out....long before he can shut down the electronics on my ship.

From: Shuteye
02-Oct-15
Putin is making Obama look stupid.........Oh wait, he is. Obama was taken by suprise.....again. He is clueless. If Obama has his way we won't have any ships or aircraft left.

From: MT in MO
02-Oct-15
Obama's problem is he still thinks America is the problem...

From: Anony Mouse
02-Oct-15
From AOS:

Russia Destroys ISIS Training Camp and Command Center That For Some Curious Reason Was Still Standing After a Year of Obama's "Degrade and Destroy" Air Campaign —Ace

I guess Obama just didn't notice the ISIS Command Center there.

Obama spoke earlier today about Putin. His big move was, get this, to indulge in Mean Girl put-downs of the Russians, because that's pretty much all he knows -- politicking, insulting, running Mean Girl campaigns against people that are showing him up.

President Barack Obama said Friday that he was willing to work with Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin on moving Syria away from civil war, but only if that plan includes removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power.

I'm sure Putin cares very much, Bammy.

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Russia, he predicted during a White House press conference, would get stuck in a "quagmire," adding, "It just won't work, and they're going to stay there for a while."

I'm going to guess this is 100% wrong, because the Idiot Princeling is saying it.

The very thin-skinned and vain Idiot Princeling made sure to attack Hillary Clinton for daring to sound tougher than he does (as if that's a difficult trick).

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[A]sked whether he now backs no-fly zones in Syria -- which his former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, recommended this week during her presidential campaign -- he warned against "easy, low-cost answers" to ending the war...

He also said, "I also think there's a difference between running for president and being president."

Instead, Obama insisted that the only solution was diplomatic, raising the possibility of a brokered deal to remove Assad from power.

Why would someone need or want Obama for a brokered deal when they can have full victory by force?

Notice how the press plays along with this delusion, as if Obama's impotent mewlings have any effect in the real world at all.

Obama, feeling humiliated (as he ought to), went on to offer other impotent insults, specifically saying Putin is acting out of "weakness" and not strength of the sort shown by the feckless, incompetent coward Obama.

Obama said, "Now, last point I just want to make about this because, you know, sometimes the conversation here in the beltway differs from the conversation internationally. Mr. Assad -- but out of weakness, because his client Mr. Assad was crumbling and it was insufficient for him simply to send them arms and money. Now he’s got to put in his own planes and his own pilots. And the notion that he put forward a plan and that somehow the international community sees that as viable because there’s a vacuum there. I didn’t see after he made that speech in the United Nations suddenly the 60-nation coalition that we have start lining up behind him. Iran and Assad make up Mr. Putin's coalition at the moment."

Yes, but the two countries in their coalition are willing to actually fight, which the 60-country coalition that Obama likes to brag about largely is not.

An army of three guys willing to fight will beat an army of sixty unwilling to fight just about every time.

Obama went on to, as usual, suggest that Putin doesn't properly understand his own interests and goals and if he did he would agree to whatever faggity shit Obama is babbling about.

From: HA/KS
02-Oct-15
"they're going to stay there for a while."

That is their intent. Russia and Syria have a long-running relationship from the Cold War days. Russia has no intention of ever again getting pushed out of the mideast.

From: Anony Mouse
03-Oct-15

From: HA/KS
03-Oct-15

HA/KS's Link
Link to some great political cartoons on this.

From: Anony Mouse
03-Oct-15
10 STARTLING FACTS: Obama, Putin and Syria

Ed.: We may be seeing the opening moves of World War III:

1. Vladimir Putin's overall strategy is to prop up Russia's long-time regional ally, Syrian President Bashar al Assad.

2. Russia has bombed targets in northwestern Syria, an area mainly held by non-ISIS rebel groups such as the Free Syrian Army and an Islamist coalition, Jaysh al-Fatah.

3. The aim is to eliminate non-ISIS groups first. Then the Syrian, Russian, Iranian, Hezbollah alliance can turn its attention to ISIS and, thereby, force the United States to support or, at least, do nothing to hinder their operations.

4. Controlling northwest Syria also safeguards Assad's Shia-Alawite home region and his base of support, as well as securing the strategically critical coastal area containing the Latakia airbase used by Russian forces and the important port of Tartus.

5. With Russia filling the power vacuum left by Obama's feckless foreign policy, the big losers in the region are the United States, Turkey and, to some extent, the nations that have supported the Sunni rebels, such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

6. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is a Sunni Islamist, an opponent of Syria's Assad and a fervent supporter of the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood.

7. Like Erdogan, Obama also demonstrated ardent support for the Muslim Brotherhood regime in Egypt.

8. Some have argued that the Muslim Brotherhood exerts undue influence on the Obama Administration.

9. Together with another strong supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, Qatar, which acted as an intermediary, Erdogan and Obama were likely shipping arms from Libya through Turkey to the Syrian rebels, which led, at least in part, to the death of Americans in Benghazi on September 11, 2012.

10. Obama, having outsourced the Syrian rebel supply effort to Turkey and Qatar, not unexpectedly, lost control of the funding, the weapons distribution and any significant influence in the region with Turkey and Qatar pursuing their own interests.

11. BONUS: Russia and the Shia-axis of Assad, Iran and Hezbollah are now positioned to drive events in the region, all of which will only to be strengthened by Obama's incompetent lead-from-behind foreign policy and his perilous Iran nuclear deal.

From: Yendor
03-Oct-15
For all you that haven't made up your minds on the presidential election, look at Mark Rubio. In the last debate the candidates were asked what the biggest threat to th US was. Rubio disagreed with the others and said the threat was Russia, an Putin. He told people to watch the next few weeks. He predicted that Russia would move nets into Syria, that they would say that they are bombing ISIS, but would be hitting the freedom fighters. He said that Obama has left sure h a huge void in the area, and that Russia would be coming in as the savior for the region. He was spot on.

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