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idacurt 09-Feb-16
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Woods Walker 09-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 09-Feb-16
HA/KS 09-Feb-16
Jimbo 09-Feb-16
idacurt 09-Feb-16
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idacurt 10-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 11-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 11-Feb-16
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Jim in Ohio 11-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 11-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 11-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 11-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 11-Feb-16
Beendare 11-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 11-Feb-16
Beendare 11-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 11-Feb-16
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idacurt 11-Feb-16
Sixby 11-Feb-16
idacurt 11-Feb-16
'Ike' (Phone) 11-Feb-16
Shuteye 11-Feb-16
Beendare 12-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 12-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 12-Feb-16
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'Ike' (Phone) 12-Feb-16
kentuckbowhnter 13-Feb-16
From: idacurt
09-Feb-16
Japans Nikkei just closed -918 points -5.40% Get ready,it's coming

From: idacurt
09-Feb-16
Baltic Index hit a new all-time low yesterday @293

From: AKMathews71
09-Feb-16
When there's blood on the streets...

From: Jim in Ohio
09-Feb-16
Guy on Fox Business said there will be no money made in the stock market this year.

09-Feb-16
It is actually up right now, wow!

From: NvaGvUp
09-Feb-16
"The market goes down, but it doesn't stay down, so it doesn't matter."...................Nick Murray

"Buy when blood is running in the streets."............Banard Baruch

From: sleepyhunter
09-Feb-16
I'm buying. Buy low sell high. Simple.

From: Woods Walker
09-Feb-16
I tell you what. The day I decide to put money into the stock market I will post here and warn everyone so you can take your money out of it because if I get involved in it, it WILL self destruct.

It's a talent I have......the kiss of death...

From: NvaGvUp
09-Feb-16
Lou,

You get in, you STAY in, and everything will be OK!

From: HA/KS
09-Feb-16
WW, you have money in the market whether you know it or not.

From: Jimbo
09-Feb-16
What Kyle said!

From: idacurt
09-Feb-16
Kyle, You do this for a living I gather? How on earth is the market staying afloat? -The German Deutsche Bank has suffered huge losses and is presently scrambling. -QE infinity for the last 8yrs -close to zero interest rates for 8yrs -Nikkei market crashing -Baltic index at all time lows -China's stock market popping the loss breakers multiple times in a week halting trading.

And then you have nasdaq somehow miraculously pulls out of nose diving by 3pm on almost every crash day?

You're the expert,what's going on? how is this possible?

Is their truth to a "plunge protection team" that Intravenously pumps money in the market when the breakers get tripped? This pattern happens way too often to be a coincidence. Thanks for any info

From: NvaGvUp
09-Feb-16
idacurt,

This sort of stuff happens once or twice every year. It's always one version or another of "The World is Going to End!"

Ignore it.

If you're investing for the long haul, none of this stuff matters other than it's designed to scare the crap out of you so you'll sell at the wrong time for the wrong reason.

Ignore it.

From: sleepyhunter
09-Feb-16
" You may be the last guy in the world I would take investment advice from. "

I'm familiar enough with the stocks I buy to say that. Not giving advice to anyone Dr.Porkchops.

From: idacurt
10-Feb-16
Thanks for the answer Kyle.I don't have any money in the market but I find it interesting how these 200-500 point swing days are becoming more common than I remember. The Japanese market is tanking again right now -590 as we speak. The China market is closed this week and will be interesting to see what happens next week.

This Deutsche Bank fiasco doesn't alarm you? this will be much bigger than Lehman brothers if they go insolvent.

From: Jim in Ohio
11-Feb-16
Dow futures down 250 already this morning

From: Jim in Ohio
11-Feb-16
Now actually down 370.

From: Jim in Ohio
11-Feb-16
Now actually down 370.

From: Jim in Ohio
11-Feb-16
Now actually down 370.

From: Jim in Ohio
11-Feb-16
Oops, sorry.

11-Feb-16
Time for all the young people to buy, close their eyes and hang onto the ride of their life for 40 or 50 years.

From: Jim in Ohio
11-Feb-16
How about us old people?

11-Feb-16
Cry:)

I turn 57 Monday. I have a moderate level of risk aversion, and was not blest to have children. Robin and I both have good jobs, I teach she is a dental hygienist.

Her portfolio follows the common used ruled of breaking your percentage of retirement into bonds/equities with age into bonds, rest into equities. Robin pretty much follows that.

I am still 100% equities as I believe in the markets and like to live by what I preach. But, we will both have SS and I will have a pension, God willing we live long enough to see it.

I would be more worried if we were within 5 years of retirement and I did not have adequate income otherwise. If our markets collapse, it is all over. So for insurance in case that happens, we have invested in precious metals-lead:)

From: Jim in Ohio
11-Feb-16
My wife and I have always been self employed in our family business No pensions, just our individual retirement accounts. Put 3 kids through college, didn't have a very large income but still managed to build what we thought was a decent retirement through stock mutual funds. First retired and switched to income funds.Plenty of income for an active retirement until now, 10 years later. No interest, some stocks going down now. Have to tap our principal. Retirement isn't near as much fun.

From: NvaGvUp
11-Feb-16
I'm 67 and have 100% of my money in equites.

The age old advice that as you age and go into retirement you should move from equites to bonds, T-bills and CD's may have been OK when people retired an 65 and died at age 70.

But such a strategy is dangerous now as one spouse of a 65 year-old couple is more than likely live to be 85 or loger. If you don't have a significant part of your investments in equities, inflation compounded over those twenty years will decimate your buying power and you'll end up moving in with your kids.

From: Beendare
11-Feb-16
Yeah, well anyone 100% in the market this year is going to lose some big money.

The key concept here; The recent Recovery, or prosperity...whatever you want to call it is all debt driven. The gov pushes interest rates artificially low to incentivize buying of goods and investment.

Same with why oil is tanking, if you have heard otherwise- its BS. Many oil companies have borrowed for their expansion...its debt driven not equity owners as they know its stupid to sell oil at a loss. The equity owners stop pumping...then the price of oil adjusts due to lessened supply.

Now since its debt driven they have to keep pumping to pay the debt service....or even increase production to fend off bankruptcy. Its a horrible downward spiral that isn't finished playing out....so hold off on your oil purchases.

The writing has been on the wall for months.....the financial policies Obama has put in place are just showing their ugly head now. Will we get blips up during this slow grind down- yes. Don't let those fool you. There is money to be made when the oil bankruptsies and consolidation hit....if you have any money left.

From: NvaGvUp
11-Feb-16
"The five most dangerous words in investing are, "But this time it's different.".......................Sir John Templeton

From: Beendare
11-Feb-16
kyle, you are about the last guy I want to get in a disagreement with as I like and respect you.

lets look at those oil companies as an example of how it is "different"

In the past these companies had controlling owners that had the sense to shut it down and wait it out when they werent making money.

Many of these companies now are built on debt...and they have to have the income ratios or their notes are called..then bankrupt....so they have to keep pumping oil at a money losing rate...and it hurts all of them in the process.

So are these companies going to bounce right back- no.

No i'm sure the Fed will stop raising rates and other central bankers will continue their artificial stimulus- which has never in history been done to this degree,ever. The bubble they have created has never been done. So can it continue...of course. If I had a bunch of money in the SM, I would look at big upticks as an opportunity to hedge.

And its not just the Fed and Central bankers manipulating things....something like 70% of the market is HF traders....thats never been done in history...and the jury is still out on the LT effect. These markets are evolving at a lightning pace.

So is this time different....sure seems like it to me. Now will the old school buy and hold still work...probably in the long run....but not this year.

From: NvaGvUp
11-Feb-16
Bruce, my friend,

"....but not this year."

Unless you need your money to spend 'this year,' the performance of the market 'this year' is of no concern. What matters is how themarket capitalism performs between now and when you need your money in the years ahead.

This time it isn't different! This sort of stuff has been happening to one degree or another ever since there have been markets. And in the long run, downturns such as this are temporary, while market growth is inevitable

From: sleepyhunter
11-Feb-16
"This time it isn't different! This sort of stuff has been happening to one degree or another ever since there have been markets. And in the long run, downturns such as this are temporary, while market growth is inevitable"

I got 7 more yrs till I retire. Hopefully the market will turnaround before then. I like the optimism. Hang on for the long run.

From: idacurt
11-Feb-16
Was Sir John Templeton ever in a ponzi scheme this big?

I'm thinking the Fed and Mega/World banks have tweeked the financial system about as much as they can are about out of tricks.

The Fed is now talking about negative interest rates! The only reason why the Fed would do this is because they are out of ideas and it's a Hail Mary move.They're already trying this in Europe and it's not working.

What is going to cause the worlds economy to miraculously bounce back?

Life is about to get real interesting!

From: Sixby
11-Feb-16
Its different if only in the fact that by indebtedness alone we are tightly tied to the international market which is tanking. Take this as simply a fleeting thought from an old man who sees a different world than I have ever seen before.

God bless, Steve

From: idacurt
11-Feb-16
Japans market is already down -600+ at the start tonight,they've lost 2,000 point in a week!

11-Feb-16
Damn I missed it, I did someone talking about investments and gold again today though....

From: Shuteye
11-Feb-16
gold took a big jump today.

From: Beendare
12-Feb-16
Its pretty much a mute point for me anyway. I took 90% of my 'Stock market' money and bought investment property back in 09- that has since more than doubled in value and pays me over 10% a year in net rent.

My best to you Kyle...and all of the folks that are in the markets.

12-Feb-16
Nothing beats diversity, unless you timed it perfectly:)

No one strategy works for everyone. We each have different comfort levels with risk, and have different situations. Talk to more than one advisor before any decisions are made.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Feb-16
Frank,

You hit the nail on the head. The first and foremost rule in my business is "Know your client." That's for precisely the reasons you've mentioned.

When I meet with a potential new client, I spend 55% of my time interviewing them and having in-depth discussions with them about their current situation and their goals, hopes and dreams. Another 35% of my time with them is spent educating them about investing; especially the risks they are likely to face from time-to-time. Once that's done, making the right recommendations is a piece of cake, probably due to my forty-plus years of experience.

Nice bounce back in the markets today, btw. The question is, will this be the start of a move up, or is it a one day aberration in the recent downward slide?

We'll probably know in the next two-three weeks.

From: Jim in Ohio
12-Feb-16
What's different? Has there ever been any time in history when for 9 years you can't get any interest on cd's or bonds.

Has there been any time in history with rates so low, that if the Feds even mention raising rates by a lousy half percent that the stock market crashes?

From: NvaGvUp
12-Feb-16
Jim,

How's those interest rates been workin' for you lately?

FYI, the Fed's raising interest rates have had ZERO to do with the recent market decline.

ZERO!

From: Jim in Ohio
12-Feb-16
Not what they said on Fox business news.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Feb-16
So what DID they say on Fox today?

And what, actually, were they saying it about? Because your post gives us absolutely nothing to go on, one way or another.

Try again.

12-Feb-16
Oil...

13-Feb-16
Oil and weakening global performance in china, japan and Europe.

Mostly though, IMHO, all of this is due to failed socialist policies of varying degrees throughout the world.

13-Feb-16
those who panic sell drive down the market temporarily and make it pretty sweet for the rest of us who keep buying the lows, thanks.

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