gflight's Link
Trust me, anyone who thinks the press Trump is getting over that remark is "good press" is someone that was already going to vote for Trump.
Trump is rapidly decreasing his appeal to evangelical Christians all over the South and Midwest.
I do have to say that the introduction thing with Carson recently showed class that I didn't think Trump possessed.
Troy, don't forget that that's the same Donald Trump who a few months ago analogized Ben Carson to a child molester. Just sayin'.
BS, I believe the Cruz people are privately praying for Trump to keep having more and more moments like this, because the more he does, the more support he will bleed in the Southern and Great Plains states that are heavily Evangelical.
Yeah, I saw that. True to form Trump. I think he's bi-polar, or schizophrenic. Maybe just a spoiled little rich kid.
I also think a significant number of the people who respond positively to those kinds of crass comments are the kinds of folks who have little self-discipline in their lives. And, an adult who lacks discipline is probably not a reliable voter. It's why Trump under-performs his poll number. Which is fine by me. :o)
TSI, trump concerns me as much as Hillary does. While he has been good to get some fires started, I am convinced his running is more about ego than serving the country. You think he is great at business, his touch back position on immigration is nothing but a huge expense that in the end allows the same people to remain here. It makes no sense unless you are a politician having it both ways.
Rubio switched positions on immigration, and if you can believe his current one, like bush's and some others, I support it. Cruz's wall IMO is another waste of money, we can stop the illegals with the resources we have if we just take off the gloves and also let LOs along the border be involved. But at least Cruz stakes out a position and remains there. He still is unelectable though, again IMO.
Nope...
"Maybe just a spoiled little rich kid."
Yep...
I just hate to keep hearing about the evangelicals with Cruz as pastor-in-chief. Religion based politics just sounds very 'Taliban' to me. We celebrate freedom of religion here and welcome all. Let the issues decide the election without a specific religious bent.
Yes, he likes to win and is driven by that. No debate. But it seems like with him that he will also do whatever it takes to achieve that. Right now that appears to be talking like a semi-conservative. But what will that be tomorrow? Or next year?
He's one big can o' worms IMO.
You have to be kidding...
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Board Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
He is a loudmouth failure with liberal views. The info is all right there and people are just ignoring it because their emotions are getting the better of them.
Amnesty, Canadian health care, partial birth abortion, gun control, eminent domain for personal gain, he absolutely just pizzes down peoples back and tells them its raining and they don't care....
The fact that he had 5 deferments during Vietnam and said his prep school was tougher than the Army.
Deferrment arguments are such crap, unless you are voting for Jim Gilmore or some other guy that actually had military service. How much more military service does Cruz have (I'll even count both Canadian and US military)....
BS, if you've listened as much to Cruz's campaign stump speeches as I have, you'd know he's not running a "religious" based campaign. He certainly does not shy away from his Faith, and does talk about it sometimes, but if you think he's another Huckabee or Santorum in that area in that that was their primary appeal to voters, you're wrong. Nevertheless, he is the most attractive candidate to practicing evangelical Christians, and there are lots and lots and lots of those in the South, the Great Plains and the lower Midwest states.
I grow weary of Canadians who freely offer up their opinions about American politics when they don't have a vote that counts and have absolutely no say in the matter whatsoever. You are an alien to the United States, and your opinion matters not one bit with regard to our country and how it's run. Since we as US CITIZENS are the ones whose vote counts and opinions matters regarding the politics of OUR country, then that's what we'll go with, not the opinions of non-resident aliens regarding someone else's country and politics.
It's as simple as this: One should not concern themselves with how their neighbor chooses to run his household. Worry about your own house.
A "lot" is a relative term, but it is well known that he inherited millions from his father.
Exactly. They believe what he tells them and don't bother to fact-check for themselves.
joshuaf's Link
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2016/02/09/i-swear-this-is-a-problem-for-donald-trump.aspx?mobile=false
I Swear This Is A Problem For Donald Trump
Here’s some no-brainer analysis when trying to court evangelical voters: curse words don’t work. Clearly, Donald Trump either didn’t get the memo or doesn’t care. I’m going with the latter.
Trump’s salty language on the campaign trail does him NO favors when trying to court evangelical voters. For that matter, forget just evangelical voters. How about just pro-family voters in general? I’m not going to provide links to the coarse language. You can look it up for yourself. It happened yet again last night in Manchester.
Look, I’m not saying evangelicals are perfect. Clearly they’re not, hence the reason we ALL need a savior named Jesus Christ. But at some point, Trump needs to understand that vulgarity during campaign speeches hurts him with the exact voters he needs to win states and secure the nomination. Will there ever be a specific poll on how much he loses favor with evangelicals because of his choice of curse words? No, of course not. This is all anecdotal. But the point remains the same; cursing up a storm may get you the temporary standing ovation at a rally in front of hard-core supporters who love you but if you’re looking to bring new voters into the fold, especially evangelicals in the upcoming primaries of South Carolina and SEC territory, then you have to lay off the curse words. It’s called discipline, a crucial trait in presidential politics. For those who would defend Trump by saying, "Hey, it's just Donald being Donald," sorry that doesn't cut it. The language is uncalled for. There are children at these rallies not to mention the media will run the clip nationally. It's not a funny thing just to blow up. You can be bold without the expletives. You can be strong without the four-letter words. Even if you think I'm wrong, that's fine but just remember this: if Trump is really your guy then it's in his best interest to tone it down or it simply becomes another strike against him at the ballot box. For evangelicals, Trump's salty language gives them something additional to consider. Print Email to a Friend posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:04 AM
Defers to character, If you would talk derogatory about those who served when you yourself avoided serving you lack moral character.
Calling bull crap on that one. I think friendly stops at the hundredth insult, and the thousandth time you give the same unsolicited opinion about the same candidate, that somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of us support.
Friendly would go away just as fast for you, if every time I posted here, I posited the opinion that whatever you call your outfitter business is really crappy, and whomever your biggest competitor is, is the greatest, even though I have never, and will never use either, nor does the success or failure of either company amount to a hill of beans to me.
Once you hit the thousand posts mark with all this incessant crap, all the friendly has worn off, and it becomes about as welcome as a turd in a punch bowl. I don't want to guess your post count, but it feels like about 2500.
You wouldn't. I would.
My father and my uncle had the balz to go and my uncle didn't come back.
Cowardice is a Character flaw in a President...
And yes, this is our household. I think you should take as much interest in your own country's politics, then maybe you'd be allowed to own a handgun, not have your rights stripped away, and not have every Kumar, Mohammad, and Singh immigrating into your country.
This was the same thing he did when he said he schlonged Hillary.
Up until that point I didn't realize how close he and the Clintons were....;^)
OTOH... does Mr rough tough business man Trump have "thin skin"? Offhand I'd say you could read a newspaper through it.... amazing such a yuge ego could be made out of the thinnest of glass....
Candidates... I don't know how anyone could argue they don't need to be held to a higher standard. Voters and the public.... we can chose to react to his idiocy any way we like. I chose to condemn it, I wouldn't want to rub elbows with the man.... I might get some of him on me.... his sycophants likely give a standing ovation... your choice.
If as Trump says ted Cruz is a pussy then I guess Trump got pussy whipped in Iowa.
Show me evidence he avoided anything.
Trump is the only one to avoid the draft currently running.
All the others except one just didn't serve.
Okay, a slight exaggeration to make a point, so you can own a handgun. How many rounds? How do you have to transport it? Can you carry it concealed for your personal protection? What kind of certifications do you need to purchase the gun? How about for the ammo? Please don't assume me so naïve as to not know that gun regulations in Canada are incredibly stringent when compared to much of the US. Yes, you read it correctly the first time, rights stripped away.
"Mexico.Russia. i see you have Canada lumped in with a stellar group" If you can't understand analogies then don't bother commenting.
"I wont assume to know your situation " And that's the rub. How is that not exactly what you've been doing on every political thread you've posted on the Community Forum thus far? Your opinions on American politics are not warranted nor desired as they have not a single bit of influence one way or the other. Oh, and by the way, based on the other responses to your posts, it would seem that I'm not the only United States citizen who feels that way.
TSI, I'm sure you're a nice guy, and most of the time we would probably get along, but I am incredibly sick and tired of Canadians who think it their place to give outsider opinions on the goings on in America, especially when you have the asinine notion that Americans in large numbers are somehow being heavily benefited by their travels to Canada. (Your previous espousal regarding health care) I can guarantee you that, by and large, the benefit of cross border travel and being neighbors is almost across the board for Canadians. Whatever small benefits there are for US citizens to have Canada as a neighbor are so disproportionate that it's not even worth mentioning. I would "assume" that even much of your clientele comes from the states. How many Canadians own vacation homes in AZ, NM, CA??? How many USC's own vacation homes in Canada? How many Canadians travel south for the winter? How many USC's travel north for the winter. Hopefully you see my point.
Only said my relatives had the balz and served when they were drafted.
Since I volunteered that argument would not have more weight in my case...
I don't think they allow 4 year old's to enlist.
Please explain how he "found a way to avoid". According to the information I have seen, Mr. Cruz is indeed registered for Selective Service in the United States. The BS you display BS is getting old.
Trump is old enough to have served in Viet Nam when the daft was still active. He did not and he did get several deferments to avoid being drafted.
Trump has also claimed he got better military training at his prep school than many get who actually go into the military.
So enough already with all this crap here claiming 'your guy so-and-so is horrible' and 'my guy so-and-so is great' on issues where there is no real discernible difference. OK??? It's friggin demeaning to the whole forum.... Thank you
Perhaps you are not aware of what the words 'draft' and 'volunteer' mean.
Many draftees went when called.
Some ran to Canada.
Some burned draft cards.
People volunteering or being drafted would be patriots because they chose to serve, but that is not my point.
Trump lied....
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to me," Trump said.
but they did...
He was classified "available for service" (class 1-A) in November 1966, but just three weeks later in December 1966 he was given a new student deferment.
Upon graduation Trump was no longer eligible for student deferments.
In October 1968, he was declared medically unfit to serve except "in time of national emergency," even though he had been declared fit to serve in 1966.
He claimed he got better military training at his prep school than many get who actually go into the military.
He is the p%$$¥....
Most definitely not a statesman or a President worth their salt would resort to vulgarity....
Cruz had the brains to graduate Harvard and the b@11$ to plead cases before the SCOTUS. Writing the brief for Heller that 31 AG'S signed.
Trump is just a loudmouth, sue happy, amnesty lovin, pro abortin, draft dodgin, gun controllin, piece of poopy......so there
Have we really devolved this far?
Look at the current POTUS, Congress and the Senate....Yes, people are fed up with career hacks in Government!
Let's have some perspective here: New Hampshire is the least religious state in the country and is the 5th most Liberal state in the country. Bernie just completely shellacked Hillary there. Is it really a surprise that someone as Liberal as Trump would win NH big? Voters there were voting for a fellow Liberal.
Have seen multiple people more knowledgeable about such things than I, quoting that statistic in recent days.
The shellacking that Bernie put on Hillary should tell you something in that regard.
And you're right, Cruz did very well for not putting much $ expenditure into the New Hampshire race. He was outspent by Bush & Rubio by a combined 50:1 ratio, and he beat both of them. Pretty amazing, actually.
Trump and his Troompa Luumpas engage in profane insults because they can't defend his record of supporting liberal policies.
It has always been emotionally irrational liberals strategy to behave like little bitch's when lashing out against Republican statesmen.
Trump is a big mouth draft dodging coward who hides behind the law if you get the best of him...
"Donald Trump Sues Bill Maher for Calling Him the Son of an Orangutan"
Statement two: "It has always been emotionally irrational liberals strategy to behave like little bitch's when lashing out against Republican statesmen"
LOL!
Kasich spent over $200 per vote that he got in New Hampshire.
Cruz spent $18 per vote in New Hampshire, the lowest of all the main candidates, including Trump, who spent $40 per vote.
Overall, the Five candidates that Ted Cruz beat in New Hampshire spent $72.1 Million in NH. Cruz spent a paltry $580,000.
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Trump,
I write, with regret, to inform you that your son Donald has not met the standards for admission to our middle school. His record and his interview indicate that Donald is not sufficiently mature to enter the 5th grade.
Don't think you want to go there....
He did underperform what I predicted for his percentage of the vote, but so did Jeb and Rubio. My predictions in the other thread were optimistic, but if you told me before the vote that he'd actually beat Jeb, Rubio and Christie and only Trump and Kasich came in ahead of him, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Especially considering the fact that Kasich, Jeb, Rubio and Christie all spent more time there than Cruz did, with Kasich, Jeb and Christie practically living there and spending millions upon millions of dollars the last few months.
I thought Rubio wouldn't match Cruz's appeal in the more Conservative states coming up soon, and Kasich will have exponentially less appeal in those states than Rubio will. I'd much rather see Kasich end up as the de-facto "Establishment" candidate that isn't named Trump, than for Rubio to be it. Kasich will be much easier for Cruz to beat in states that are more representative of the U.S. than New Hampshire is.
I didn't call them little bitches.
Just playing "Trumps "she said it, I didn't" game."
Trump, Bill Maher, Michael Moore always behave like that. They have temperament problems and sadly they appeal to the mob.
HUUUGE mistake in a President. Great for ratings and the uninformed mob.
Trump stands for nothing, makes impossible promises, and I don't see any credible facts or accomplishments to stand behind.
Ripping off the students in his failed University, trying to evict a widow for a parking lot, and on and on....
At least Ted Cruz is a constitutional conservative with a record of such. Trump slum lord TV personality who would shit on his best friend....
You have the same opportunity to post credible stuff as I have.
What do you do instead?
Worry about the things I post that you claim don't mean jack to anyone.
Must mean something to you since you are so focused on me and my keyboard.
Since you are lumping me in with right wing evangelical conservatives on this site you don't really know who i like and don't like as you claim.
So let me splain it to ya....
I supported Ron Paul and closely align politically with him. Cruz is the best man for the job. He is a strong Constitutional Conservative, his social values are his weakness for me but he is still best for the job.
Trump is clueless and attacks to hide his incompetence. Seems you are plying that. Maybe if you could tell me why calling someone a puss is a good trait in a president i may see your point of view.
Trump could crush him with this issue, if he was able to frame a proper argument and hold the thought long enough. He keeps getting distracted by the cameras... and the polls... and shiny stuff
Cruz said this....
“There’s nothing to this birther issue,” Cruz said during the debate, noting that Trump said last fall that he was a natural-born citizen. “Since September, the Constitution hasn’t changed. But the poll numbers have. I recognize that Donald is dismayed that his poll numbers are falling in Iowa. But the facts and the law are really clear. Under longstanding U.S. law, the child of a U.S. citizen abroad is a natural born citizen.”
"It takes guts, smarts and good decision making." and apparently at least 4 bankruptcies leaving others holding the bag, (yeah, yeah, just good business, unless you're on the end that's over the barrel) But don't worry, he would never do that to the country to save his ego/azz... honest... cross my heart...
Honest? well, not counting the outstanding personal honor and honesty of multiple affairs with married women.... while married yourself of course, then bragging in interviews and writing books about it. A president if elected, with more ex wives than all others in the history of the country COMBINED.... I'll give you the "guts" part. That he has alright....
But no worries, that was the past... no pattern here, move along... he will treat his supporters.... and the country.... much better than that.... once elected.... honest...
ROTFLMAO! just can't make this stuff up.... amazing...
joshuaf's Link
See these quotes from the article at the link, talking about the South Carolina primary:
Several people at Cruz’s Wednesday rally said they’d been open to Trump but that his foul language is wearing thin.
“At first we were for Trump, but he’s kind of rubbing us the wrong way,” said Robert Hatten of Myrtle Beach.
Trump this week repeated a supporter’s contention that Cruz’s position against torture makes him a “pussy.” It didn’t hurt Trump in New Hampshire, which he won handily, but a repeat in South Carolina, with its bigger population of evangelicals and conservatives, could be more damaging.
“He’s a little too outspoken for me. The language,” said Glenda Chapman of nearby Surfside Beach.“Trump really went over the line.”
"Sheep" have brought us to where America is today! Time for some Real Change!
HeadHunter, there is a difference between being politically incorrect, and being crass and crude. Trump supporters seem to conflate the two. And everyone who doesn't approve of Trump being vulgar and crass at public campaign rallies are not "sheep".
Trumper Tantrums only motivate uneducated Trailer trash and Hood rats. People who are in despair and their emotions are uncontrollable. The True Sheep.
Yours truly,
The Sheepdog
A guy like Cruz who claims to know the Constitution really KNOWS this is unsettled law, which makes him a con man. A guy like Cruz who claims to love/follow the Constitution would demand to get the matter resolved according to the Constitution, which makes him a coward.
You have gone from the Cult of Paul to the Cult of Cruz. And its no different than the other "sheep" mentioned above. Just a different herd.
joshuaf's Link
http://therightscoop.com/south-carolina-focus-group-gasps-at-trumps-cursing-doesnt-believe-his-professions-of-faith-loves-ted-cruz/
That along with the case in the courts is what I posted.
Citizens are either Naturalized or Born. He is born. There is no in between. Just like McCain and other military kids born overseas.
It is the same thing I said of Obama. His Mom was a citizen, he is a citizen.
People love Trump and Obama who have no regard for law unless it benefits them. The law is the law.
If you are born from two different citizens you have the option to choose citizenship at 18. You do not have to become a citizen through naturalization thus "Natural Born".
When McCain had a bipartisan team investigate they concluded his status as a natural-born citizen was not in question.
The Congressional Research Service says: "The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 'natural born' citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship 'by birth' or 'at birth,' either by being born 'in' the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship 'at birth.'"
There is no requirement of two "citizen-parents," CRS found.
Cruz has won 5 of 9 cases in front of SCOTUS so I trust his opinion and the opinion of CRS on the matter.
Your point about two types of treatment for naturalization of Citizens comes from US Naturalization laws which only apply to those citizens born in a foreign country. That has no relevance to a person born on US soil, likely because they are the only type of true natural born citizen. The SCOTUS really needs to weigh in on this.
Here is a different way of looking at it - in early 2014 this Cruz guy was a legal citizen of both Canada and the US. If at that time Canada and the US went to war, Cruz would have been called to fight in both armies against each other. I believe he would have sided with America, but can't you for a minute see that this is exactly the issue our founding fathers wanted to avoid?
And while you can legally be a citizen of both countries, and even be US citizen born in a foreign country... you cannot be a "natural born citizen" in two different countries. That would make no sense! And Cruz was natural born in Canada.
Sorry - Not trying to hijack this thread into yet another citizenship debate - I was using it more as a reference to what people blindly believe and how there is more than one herd of sheep. Carry on...
Most Christians suffer from NPD then?
I always love these keyboard psycho-analysis posts. We have lawyers, LEOs, teachers etc. on this board. Any psychologists/psychiatrists that care to tell us when we are right and wrong?
Yes, I believe what The Congressional Research Service says and the opinion of a lawyer who has won 5 of 9 cases before the Supreme court.
Facts and analysis blindly believing?
Where are your facts?
"Shuteye, People that don't like Trump using the word pussy are suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder"
I have used vulgarity since my Infantry days. Probably am somewhat a Narcissist. I am not running for President, HUUUGE Difference...
Why elect another Obama?
I would easily counter that 5 of 9 is just one (1) more than half. That arguing a different matter in court has nothing to do with the specific merits of this case. And that it is silly to take the personal opinion of the guy saying he is eligible, in a case where he may not be eligible. Why not ask Mexicans crossing the border if they are eligible for US health care benefits?!? Sheesh.
PS - you never provided the law. Just opinions.
You are sounding more and more like TSI with the rabidly blind one-sided agenda.
Shuteye, you keep thinking that, and can you please ask the Trump campaign to express the same sentiments - publicly?
Thanks.
Signed,
Ted Cruz
The Law is below, I thought you knew this part.
Naturalization Act of 1795, which removed the characterization of such children as "natural born," stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States" while retaining the same residency restrictions as the 1790 act.
The rub is "Natural" was removed because they didn't find it necessary.
Because of the removal it is now being held up as reasoning to deny people they don't like from serving the highest office. (Same way Social Security is used to scare seniors)
That is also why it has not been challenged or ruled on by courts in the past 226 years.
Sometimes I assume people have more understanding than they do. I apologize for not making it clearer for you. Hope this helps.....
Are you a Southern evangelical Christian? No? Then what you think about it really doesn't have much relevance to how people in South Carolina and other Southern states think about it, not to mention Great Plains states with very similar demographics.
fwiw.
How do you know that is the reason why it was removed? I know you are old, but this was 1775! :-)
It may have been removed because Madison realized the 1790 law mistakenly granted 'natural born' eligibility to foreign born US citizens and would have incorrectly allowed them to serve as President against the Founder's wishes. The 1790 law was repealed for a reason.
As much as you claim this is being interpreted to deny people we don't like from serving, how about being honest and admit any true Constitutional resolution is being dodged to allow the guy you love to serve.
LOL....
The Rock
I got censored for comments on a thread that I was making this same argument on because Obama's Mother was a citizen born in Kansas. I hate Obama.
When Romney's grandparents fled the country because of the polygamy ban they were not citizens. (1800's) Romney's dad was born in Mexico so he was not a citizen. So Romney was not eligible according to your criteria. This was blasphemy and I was deleted and the rest of the censor clic laughed.
I am NOT the ones that have been on the Bowsite for years professing conservatism and changing my spots to support liberal Trump. I am consistent and always will be.
Case has been filed which was never the case with John McCain and here is the pertinent part of the law from both Acts....
1790....
And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States
Note here is doesn't say right of NATURAL citizenship in the second part.
1795....
, and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend on persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.
Your Honor, They obviously just made the Act more succinct when it was redone.
The defense rests....;^)
1790 - children born out of limits shall be considered as "natural born citizens". REPEALED. REMOVED FROM LAW.
1795 - children born out of limits shall be considered as "citizens of the United States".
Nowhere in ANY current US law does it grant the title "natural born citizen" to a person born overseas, no matter what the parents lineage. The Constitution requires that only a "natural born citizen" be eligible for the office. There is no legal definition as to what constitutes a "natural born citizen".
The guy you claim to be some champion of the Constitution (and all of you as his fans) are inexplicably the people trying to sweep this under the rug. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I am all for letting the Supreme Court decide the matter, as the Founding Fathers intended. Why aren't you (or Cruz) ?????
Prosecution rests. And we can get back to the debate about vulgarity (while I like general vulgarity among guys, I do not approve of what/how/where he said it)
We agree on that one and I will even give you a bone.
Cruz has ignored invites from O'Reilly and Rubio, Trump, and others have been on. Kind of disappointing and he needs to get the free airtime.
Joshuaf, I won't give up on bringing people more light....
That said, while he is not a guy I am thrilled about, I would vote for Cruz over any of the dems and over Bush, if a high court determined he was in fact constitutionally eligible for the office. You ought to be willing to say the same about any other eventual GOP nominee. And you wont... again willing to sell out the country for your evangelical crusade.
Please, spare me your sanctimonious BS. I seem to recall you were a big Romney booster in 2012. I don't recall you professing such a great love for the Constitution at that time despite supporting a guy who would have been more than happy to set up Government Run Healthcare on a National level just like he did in Mass.
You keep trying to pretend there is no consequence to your actions... including your inaction.
