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(Reuters) - Federal agents on Wednesday moved in on the last four anti- government militants still holed up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, the FBI said in a statement.
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michael
At some point in time "We the People" have to stand up for what is right! Government is out of control and "they" forget they work for "US" .... we pay their salaries and keep them employed ....
I'm sure they want Fry alive to testify against Bundy. Bundy's lawyers have had to retain a lawyer for their action while at the refuge. Sheriff Palmer in John Day is under investigation by the Oregon Sheriffs assoc. for siding with the Bundy Gang.
Through out this whole deal the Law has been very deliberate and measured.
You couldn't have wrote a Hollywood script any better.
And who's the idiot Assemblywoman from Nevada? You've got to be kidding me...
Wonder if she stopped at McDonalds in Bend to get the occupiers a burger ? Make good on her offer.
These guys are running cattle on fed lands without paying grazing rights. Again stealing from we the people...
Just because you agree with these guys politically doesn't make what they are doing right
Michael
Yeah, cuz working within the confines of the lawfully established government and legal system in 1775 was working out so well.
They are arresting other occupiers around other places right now also. As per the radicals info in the live stream that's going on.
The 4 holdouts are in the act of surrendering now as Franklin Gramm & Fiore at the checkpoint.
Some of the radicals(Victoria's mother) are calling for an outright armed revolt right now. She claims the FBI is circling them right now.
14.5k people are tuned into the live stream.
The 4 occupiers are saying they just want to be killed. Fiore is trying to talk them down. Now Gram is on trying to talk them down.
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This link is now to recorded version.
Let's take over a Wild Life Refuge, that'll show 'em...I've served my Country and I've served my Communirty....Sometimes you have to weed out the idiots....Those so called 'Patriots' are idiots....
I noticed all the others dropped their shit and ran when the first shots were fired...Tough guys for sure! F'ing ridicules!
She is pro states-rights and a strong advocate of the feds keeping out of our lives. Some of you may think she is a nut job, but I'd say if it wasn't for her, the headlines would be different.
I think that protest could have been handled differently. The Hammonds didn't want them there.
OTOH, I'm a little envious that I don't have those convictions. I guess its been engineered out of me, hell...most of us to stand up for ourselves. We'd stand up to the immediate threat to family and friends, but I question if most of us wouldn't just 'lay down our arms, literally and figuratively if Uncle Sugar wanted to put their boots on our necks.
We talk a big line of crap, but most of us will keep our heads down and soldier on, never willing to sacrifice everything, which these people were willing to do.
Its a gut check when I look at it from another POV.
Gee Steve, I didn't see you 'rushing' to their aid when they were screaming/crying for help and a revolution...Stupid is as stupid does
True , you did not see me rushing. I do not float that way. They made the wrong choice at the wrong time for people that did not want them. That said , their cause was just and right , Their choice of location and their strategy stunk. Dead dogs cannot fight. These guys set themselves up for defeat with a remote location , no press access to speak of , no defenseable terrain or cover and easily marginalized by the Oregon Socialist and perimeter setup up by the Feds for 50 miles around the location. You are right , They were either ignorant or stupid but you are dead wrong about whether or not they were on the right or wrong side of the problem , which is theft of land by the US Government which is working as an individual and not as the people.
God bless, Steve
Michael
If you were to be described by lets say the PETA people how would they describe you? Think about that for a minute. Who is defining these last four? The media? You believe that? Those in glass houses should not throw stones my friend.
Not some wannabe playing dress up!
God bless, Steve
How someone can identify with that and call those whackos 'patriots' is a good question.
As per the last 4 occupiers you-tube videos and statements the refuge headquarters is a 'pig sty'. They even warned the FBI of trip wires and booby traps.
The organized Militia Patriot groups distanced themselves from the refuge action by the Bundy Gang early on.
Some of the occupiers were from the Patriot community but many of the occupiers were not affiliated with any Patriot group and could not even qualify in membership. Several have been publicly convicted of 'stolen valor' and quite a few were convicted felons.
A real representation of 'Patriots' ... especially the last Four (4).
Which private property rights SB? I saw a rancher make an agreement, then break said agreement and try and start a war...Now I see him and his dumbass sons in jail where they're suppose to be...
I saw a bunch of nuts as Johnnie pointed out (if you bothered to read) take over a refuge of all things...
They just cost us how much? I continue to hunt and fish on National Forest and BLM all the time here, NV and Oregon and have never once had a problem...Why is that?
What have you and Steve lost as far as rights and property, that you and your patriot buddies are ready to defend? Crickets!
You both are they type that when I stopped and cited them, cried, 'why me!' Back to the bunker...
“Law enforcement agencies in the United States consider anti-government violent extremists, not radicalized Muslims, to be the most severe threat of political violence that they face,” the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security reported this past June, based on surveys of 382 law enforcement groups.
From “Are American extremists a bigger threat than Jihadists?”
By Kurt Eichenwald 2/4/16 at 6:02 AM Newsweek
Shoots-Straight's Link
My link explains this whole situation.
'Ike' (Phone)'s Link
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Yes the Federal Government, (US) even you Spike, are allowed to own lands.
Don't you think if what your saying was true, then someone would have taken it to court and won. I've handed you mountains of evidence to the contrary and you must of brushed it aside.
Read muskegs link, I feel you would have fit in the occupation well.
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Sound familiar?
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If you look at the rules of engagement and we did what we do on our own soil against our citizens in a foreign we county we would be tried for war crimes. Lavoy was murdered plain and simple. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU THINK HE WAS! There is someone in this world that thinks the same about you and God forbid you are not tried in the court of "Public Opinion" because you WILL lose.
But, Lavoy had a history of wearing his gun where everyone could see it. He was quoted several times that he would not be taken alive. The officers were attempting to make a legal stop and arrest. When he was outside the car, IF he did not obey their orders, and if they feared for their lives and thought he was going for his gun, I do not see this as murder. Again, no audio so the evidence is incomplete but so far this looks like a justified shooting to me.
Whatever we think of the government's policies out west, we still have to comply with legal orders from LEOs. Wearing a gun, being belligerent and not complying is a recipe for disaster. I feel very sorry for Lavoy and his family. Their issues should have been handled in a court. The officers should not have to wait until someone like Lavoy pulls his gun and shoots.
JMO and I realize the full evidence may lead to a different conclusion. I will stand by though a person doing what he did is the one responsible for what happened.
worth reading again. Why? its inarguably true unless you happen to be a troll, an idiot , or a liar.
God bless, Steve
Christ like behavior there?
Spent the weekend with a great LEO friend. He was concerned about this incident, but officers do not have to wait until a weapon is pulled or fired to use deadly force. Their mind set at the time is critical.
So the statement you quoted is true, yet it does not make the outcome a criminal act by the government. As I said, I will wait for more evidence.
They are the facts... I am correct. Lavoy was killed as example to the others. There is other video and if it cleared the officers of any wrong doing it would have been released by now. Them not releasing it only creates more distrust. I believe there is much more stirring going on among the people but the media is trying to extinguish it at all costs.
That is opinion and speculation. Lavoy could have surrendered at any time.
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And out comes the tin foil.
Keeping a close eye on any government is a good idea. I certain, I won't be next because I'm not going to go about a issue I have by pulling a gun, and threatening people. I was pulled over by a trooper the other day, and didn't get shot. You know why? Because I never threatened anyone, didn't run, and did not try to escape.
weird how that turned out! LE have a tough enough job without any more nut cases running around.
Read the link muskeg posted, but only if you really want to know who your supporting. If you want to keep up with the tin Foil hats then keep on keeping on.
What do you call having your hands up in the air and walking out to the police? Shoots Straight:Yall better keep a close eye on what this government is doing you just may be next.
And out comes the tin foil.
Do you realize how condescending you are? People have a right and a reason for their distrust of this government and its motives. They are stealing millions of acres of our land , and to what purpose? They are arming every little three letter agency with automatics and buying so much ammunition that the public cannot get any. And to what purpose? Tell me its to protect us from ISIS. Please tell me that.
Truth is its to kill anyone like Lavoy that will stand up for this country, its constitution , and what we believe to be America, and we know it. You know it too so what does that make you? To me you and those that are likeminded are the enemy.
God bless, Steve
Sixby, thanks for reinforcing my statement.
The only land grabs going on are financed by the Kochs through the American Lands Council. That's a fact. To most sportsman in the West this is a cold dead hands issue.
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How so? Do you deny that the IRS,the EPA. FEMA, even the Forest Service have been armed with automatic .40 caliber carbines and automatic .40 caliber handguns forming the largest army on US soil? Do you actually believe that is tin foil? How about you actually answering what I said instead of sending out a stinky smoke screen? You are in the process of completely discrediting yourself.
God bless, Steve
"They are stealing millions of acres of our land , and to what purpose? They are arming every little three letter agency with automatics and buying so much ammunition that the public cannot get any. And to what purpose? Tell me its to protect us from ISIS"
Yep if that isn't a statement from someone thats paranoid then I'll eat your tin-foil hat.
And may God be with you too!
Again you simply show your arrogance and actually your in ability to answer the question by attacking me. You cannot eat any tin foil off my head Bro. I simply am intelligent enough to question why Obama is buying all the bullets in the world and arming an un authorized , un constitutional , government controlled , personal army. How about you being smart enough to ask yourself the same question instead of making a silly little attempt to cast aspersions against my intelligence.
God is with me and I pray He will be with you too as He is the Way, The Truth, and the Life.
God bless, Steve
Not one time did I attach your intellect. I pointed out your paranoia. Obama will be long gone, and the next POTUS will be in charge of whomever has those bullets.
Now the statement "Personal Army" isn't a very intelligent and reeks of some sort of conspiracy. "Tin Foil"
Cliven Bundy grazed his cattle on taxpayer owned land and was supposed to pay the government all of $1.35/month for an AUM. An AUM allows a cattleman to feed one cow and one calf for an entire month. It costs the government over $10/month/AUM just to administer the program! You can't feed your dog or even your cat for a month for anywhere near $1.35/month!
But Cliven Bundy didn't think he should have to pay anything at all to feed his cattle on land he did not own. As a result, he was way over $100,000 in arrears to the TAXPAYERS. So after years of him not paying what he owed the taxpayers, even after his massive subsidies, the feds decided they'd had enough and moved in.
At which point, dozens of other subsidized welfare- state ranchers, gathered up their horses and their guns and went to support the freeloader, Cliven Bundy.
Now we have pretty much the same thing in Oregon.
It's one thing to oppose big government intrusion on private landowners. It's a whole 'nuther thing to support freeloaders who think they are entitled to use taxpayer property for their benefit at no cost.
The fundraiser for the Malheur to be split with the Burns Paiutes has gone over $130,000.
They are expecting a wall to wall tourist season out at the Malheur. It's popularity will go up.
Bundy's legal defense fund is at $48,000.
The $1.35/AUM will be under scrutiny as well as cattle grazing rights in general.
Still some in-fighting going on within the Militias.
To name a few.
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Ain't it funny how people keep avoiding that little detail. Why?
Its really simple,. the agreement on fees was with the county originally and was faithfully paid on time,. Until the Feds stepped in and claimed the state lands. In protest the money was sent to the county per the original agreement which was saying that the rancher did not recognize the un lawful appropriation of state lands and their subsequent theft of graze rights.
God bless, Steve
Did I miss something? I guess I didn't even know I insulted you.
I still want God to bless you and have no animosity to you at all.
God bless, Steve
Due to the present environment where so many federal agencies have been politicized and used to promote Obama's agenda, it is easy to see conspiracies where none exist. Add to the mix is that far too many people see the world through entertainment media where bad cops and covert government actions are the norm.
Doubt as to the facts here is more expected than not. And that is a sad commentary on what has happened to this country.
LAVOY FINICUM MURDER WITNESS: ‘FBI Confiscated My Video of Agents Opening Fire on Vehicle BEFORE…’
What do you think? Should we believe what she says?
It’s been nearly three weeks since the murder of LaVoy Finicum, and an eyewitness to that murder has now come forward and confirmed that not only was Finicum gunned down in cold blood and shot at repeatedly as he lay in the snow, but she is now saying that the FBI confiscated video that showed agents opening fire on the occupants of the vehicle prior to Finicum being shot.
Shauna Cox, who was in the vehicle with LaVoy Finicum, spoke in an exclusive interview with Dennis Michael Lynch as the FBI were closing in on the refuge and the remaining holdouts at the Oregon Wildlife refuge were close to leaving the area. She told him that they should not be called protesters, but rather were there on a mission to protect evidence that they had acquired at the refuge.
“We were really there gathering evidence,” Cox told Lynch. “They’re really nervous. They were trying to protect the evidence that we had been uncovering there against the Hammonds and against the ranchers, and against the people there in that county.”
Cox confirmed that the evidence that she mentioned was a series of documents that chronicled a “series of events that have occurred over the years of how they’ve (The Bureau of Land Management) been usurping and taking over, stealing if you will, the people’s property… taking away their rights.”
Read more: Freedom Outpost
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For = 7
Against = 52
I call that the other people in the white truck who are breathing just fine today.
Sixby - answer me honestly if you watched the aerial video, how many times did Lavoy lower his hands and reach into his jacket after he left the truck?
Give me a break. Please explain the difference to me with these two episodes. Some will no doubt look only skin deep.