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Jimbo 12-Feb-16
Rocky 12-Feb-16
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Rocky 12-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 12-Feb-16
joshuaf 12-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 12-Feb-16
Jimbo 12-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 12-Feb-16
joshuaf 12-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 12-Feb-16
HA/KS 12-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 12-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 12-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio 12-Feb-16
Shuteye 12-Feb-16
TD 12-Feb-16
NvaGvUp 12-Feb-16
BowSniper 12-Feb-16
joshuaf 12-Feb-16
Rocky 12-Feb-16
HA/KS 12-Feb-16
ar troy 12-Feb-16
HA/KS 12-Feb-16
blugrass 12-Feb-16
ar troy 12-Feb-16
pipe 12-Feb-16
pipe 12-Feb-16
ar troy 12-Feb-16
Woods Walker 13-Feb-16
Elkhuntr 13-Feb-16
Woods Walker 13-Feb-16
Rocky 13-Feb-16
joshuaf 13-Feb-16
Rocky 13-Feb-16
Shuteye 13-Feb-16
joshuaf 13-Feb-16
joshuaf 13-Feb-16
From: Jimbo
12-Feb-16

Jimbo's Link
A new Morning Consult national poll shows Donald Trump crushing Ted Cruz by a whopping margin of 44% - 17%. It represents a full six-point gain in Trump's lead over Cruz since Morning Consult's most recent poll less just a few days earlier. This is a poll with a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

From: Rocky
12-Feb-16
Jimbo,

If Donald Trump wins South Carolina this is OVER. S. Carolina however is not going to be an easy in my estimation. Very strange happenings there and many Evangelicals.

I am hoping for the best for Trump but SC is going to have a powerful say. The attack ads are already off the charts from all the candidates.

The Rock

From: joshuaf
12-Feb-16
"The attack ads are already off the charts from all the candidates."

Nope, they're just beginning, and I have a feeling Trump is going to be a very special guest of honor on the receiving end.

From: Rocky
12-Feb-16
joshauf,

I think you may be right. You must remember they will have to be personal attacks because that is the only record they can move against. Trump has the distinct advantage in that the people are up in arms about our politicians ineptness, who can deny that.. not personal behavior from ancient history.

S. Carolina is also blue collar anti PC state where the sins that may be exposed of Trump personally could backlash against Washington and anyone connected to it.

Rafael Cruz is a sitting senator of the establishment no matter how hard he tries to deny it. A sitting senator who has been a part of a conservative majority who did NOTHING but fuq the people. He will not go unscathed personally or politically.

The Rock

From: NvaGvUp
12-Feb-16
A question for you guys here who Rah-Rah for Trump at every opportunity:

If he becomes president, can we count on you to then post your outrage when he appoints liberal SCOTUS justices and governs more like a liberal than a conservative?

From: joshuaf
12-Feb-16
"You must remember they will have to be personal attacks because that is the only record they can move against"

Hahaha....not.

Most of the best ads the Cruz campaign has put out against Trump so far have been video clips of Trump himself talking, in his own words. It doesn't get any more effective than that.

From: Jim in Ohio
12-Feb-16
Who says he will govern more like a liberal. Why would he want to?

From: Jimbo
12-Feb-16
Which ever candidate is leading in the polls is going to draw fire. It's how the rest of the candidates bring him back to the pack. If Cruz or Rubio take the lead, they'll be the ones pummeled by negative ads.

At any rate, the numbers in this poll are astounding. That's a huge lead. It could very well be a case of peaking early. Only time will tell.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Feb-16
Jim in Ohio,

"Who says he will govern more like a liberal. Why would he want to?"

Because his history shows us that's who and what he is.

Trump hasn't got a conservative bone in his body, nor a conservative thought in his head.

Does it not bother you that he never uses the words 'liberty' and 'freedom,' and that he never ever mentions the Constitution?

From: joshuaf
12-Feb-16
"Because his history shows us that's who and what he is."

Exactly.

"Does it not bother you that he never uses the words 'liberty' and 'freedom,' and that he never ever mentions the Constitution?"

I'm pretty sure all Jim in Ohio hears when he hears Trump talk is "Build a Wall" and "They've Got to Go". He clearly doesn't hear the part about them "coming back".

From: NvaGvUp
12-Feb-16
Nor does he seem to care about Trump's call for massive amnesty until shortly before he decided to run for POTUS.

Nor does he seem to know or care about the hundreds of illegals who helped build Trump's casinos and who to this day maintain his golf courses.

From: HA/KS
12-Feb-16
Life-long love for hilary, bill, rahm, and nancy apparently doesn't matter either.

From: Jim in Ohio
12-Feb-16
Ten Reasons for Supporting Trump 1. Donald Trump is immune to special interest lobbying because he has accepted no donations or special interest money. No other candidate can make this claim. 2. Donald Trump knows how to negotiate. No one builds an international business empire the size of Mr. Trump’s without being able to win at the negotiating table. 3. Donald Trump is an executive. The President of the United States is the Chief Executive Officer of our nation. We don’t need a policy expert or a legislator – we need someone who knows how to run an organization. Mr. Trump is the only candidate who has a proven record as a successful executive on a large scale. 4. Donald Trump is honest. Mr. Trump is a man who tells the truth. He may not always say it in the most polished way, but our country has had enough suave liars. It is time for some straight forward honesty. 5. Donald Trump is decisive. We hear about his having business interests that filed for bankruptcy. In each case, he looked at the situation as it was, and then he cut his losses. We need someone who will look at government programs realistically and if they are failures; will end the wasteful Washington spending. 6. Donald Trump is courageous. Mr. Trump has been viciously attacked by the Washington establishment and the media – and he has not budged one inch. In other words, he is willing to take charge and lead. 7. Donald Trump listens. At Trump Presidential events, the audience gets to actually speak to him without being screened, and he responds without a teleprompter. 8. Donald Trump understands that a nation without borders, language and laws is not a nation. 9. Donald Trump has actually read the Bill of Rights, and is willing to defend its provisions. He is not afraid to speak about Christian persecution, and protecting gun rights. 10. Donald Trump loves this country – and says so. He wants to make America great again (Cut and Paste-Spread the News)

From: Jim in Ohio
12-Feb-16
I like doing this. Actually I would have no problem voting for Trump, or Cruz, or for that matter Carson, or Fiorini. NONE OF THE OTHERS THOUGH.

From: Jim in Ohio
12-Feb-16
But it looks like Trump has the best chance of winning so I vote for him first.

From: Shuteye
12-Feb-16
As I have said before the circular firing squad is in full swing and that benefits Trump.

From: TD
12-Feb-16
All due respect Jim, 3/4th of what you posted was demonstrably false. Right from the first one.... he admittedly IS the special interest that has been corrupting the system. "Cutting his losses" was basically screwing the investors that trusted him out of their money, just like his "Academy" did. Just a short time ago he has PUBLICLY held the opposite belief of pretty much every point they brought up. The only thing Trump truly loves is himself.

I know. Doesn't matter. Nothing will.

Man to be shot by Trump this evening on 5th ave. Shortly followed by a parade of his supporters.....

From: NvaGvUp
12-Feb-16
LOL, TOM!

So true!

From: BowSniper
12-Feb-16
A BIG part of the appeal for Trump right now is that anti-establishment vote, and what some of you are missing is that also applies to politicians in general. That is why Cruz and the others who claim they are anti-establishment aren't doing as well as Trump because they are still career politicians who will say and do anything to get elected (the exact same criticism Cruz disciples try to level at Trump, but with little effect when coming from a career politician)

It doesn't have to be Trump at all. Any successful business person would do with the anger out there right now. It was almost Romney. Heck - it was even Herman Cain for a while. And Carly almost has something going. Carson even leaped to the front at one point. But Trump has held his lead throughout while saying and doing just about everything wrong. The people want to try something different. And say what you will, this Trump guy is different!

Will he govern to your personal uber-conservative mandate? No. However Cruz would just be more extreme partisan polarized gridlock of nothignness. And the people are apparently tired of washington gridlock. Period.

From: joshuaf
12-Feb-16
"And say what you will, this Trump guy is different!"

Nope, he's just better at pretending he is.

From: Rocky
12-Feb-16
Kyle,

Trump will be taken to task by me if he screws us in any quarter.

I will be the first to rip him a new a$4hole and will join the chorus that has been smearing him here on the CF if he goes that route.

This is about our country not Donald Trump or Rafael Cruz. Both of them better get it right the FIRST time.

You Cruzheads can't see past your a$$es. One, and the most important reason is the people of this nation have allowed a Donald Trump to evolve into this monster that strikes fear into those who have believed the BS of Congress.

The Conservatives and Republicans politicians, everyone of them including your wonder boy, deceived the American people. How difficult is it to sell "I voted for" or "I voted against" when they knew the scoreboard in advance. "Their" vote did not mean a damned thing as they take turns show boating for their constituents. Listen to their disgusting pitch. I...I...I. You what? What did you do?

What you did was awaken SOME American people. The news just has not reached the CF as of yet.

The Rock

From: HA/KS
12-Feb-16
Trump has revealed his plan to eliminate the federal debt.

Just not pay it.

From: ar troy
12-Feb-16
1. Donald Trump is immune to special interest lobbying because he has accepted no donations or special interest money. No other candidate can make this claim.

Trump can't make it either, and anyone who has been paying attention knows this. Trump has taken millions in donations. Regarding special interests, Trump has spent the better part of his life buying influence from politicians for his favorite special interest, Donald Trump. The Trump supporters love to talk about his deal making, and expect him NOT to play ball when he is the one with influence to sell? Get real!

2. Donald Trump knows how to negotiate. No one builds an international business empire the size of Mr. Trump’s without being able to win at the negotiating table.

That would qualify a lot of folks, wouldn't it Jim? Gates, Bloomberg, Zuckerberg, Soros, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan. How many members of Sam Walton's extended family do you think that qualifies?

3. Donald Trump is an executive. The President of the United States is the Chief Executive Officer of our nation. We don’t need a policy expert or a legislator – we need someone who knows how to run an organization. Mr. Trump is the only candidate who has a proven record as a successful executive on a large scale.

I guess time would have to prove it out, but I just don't see the comparison. As president he is the Chief Executive Officer, governed by the Constitution, policed by the Supreme Court, limited by 535 legislators with their own agendas, and serving for 4 years at the pleasure of the voting public. I expect it would be another world altogether for someone like Trump, and one I doubt he would appreciate.

4. Donald Trump is honest. Mr. Trump is a man who tells the truth. He may not always say it in the most polished way, but our country has had enough suave liars. It is time for some straight forward honesty.

Which side of his face is the honest one? Is Hillary Clinton "terrific" and would make a great president, should have been Obama's running mate, one of the best Secretary of States ever, or what he is saying now? Does he identify more as a republican now? Because in 2004, he said he identifies more as a Democrat. Does he believe in the 2A, or does he support scary gun bans, and extended waiting periods? Does he still think Bush is the worst president in history? Does he still think Michael Bloomberg and de Blasio have been excellent mayors? Does it not give you pause to think he may have been being honest when he said all those things?

5. Donald Trump is decisive. We hear about his having business interests that filed for bankruptcy. In each case, he looked at the situation as it was, and then he cut his losses. We need someone who will look at government programs realistically and if they are failures; will end the wasteful Washington spending.

Can you honestly look at Trump's lifestyle and say that he has a single thought about wasteful spending? That is a laugher.

6. Donald Trump is courageous. Mr. Trump has been viciously attacked by the Washington establishment and the media – and he has not budged one inch. In other words, he is willing to take charge and lead.

Courageous enough to secure 4 deferments for Vietnam even. Some of us reserve words like that for people who show actual courage. Surviving an attack by Megan Kelly doesn't require courage.

7. Donald Trump listens. At Trump Presidential events, the audience gets to actually speak to him without being screened, and he responds without a teleprompter.

Ok. I've been to a thousand business meetings, and a few stockholder meetings that would dwarf any of Trump's events and seen the same from hundreds, but if it impresses you, fine.

8. Donald Trump understands that a nation without borders, language and laws is not a nation.

Does he? Have you ever seen anything regarding preventing the employment of illegal immigrants documented at any of his business holdings? Wouldn't you expect such from someone who holds that belief, and employs all the people he does?

9. Donald Trump has actually read the Bill of Rights, and is willing to defend its provisions. He is not afraid to speak about Christian persecution, and protecting gun rights.

We've touched on some of that already, but to that I'd add, be wary of someone who speaks about Christian persecution, but says "I'm not sure if I ever asked God's forgiveness." The two aren't mutually exclusive, but boy, it sure would make a man wonder.

10. Donald Trump loves this country – and says so. He wants to make America great again

If you say so. I don't believe much that comes out of his mouth.

Nothing personal Jim. I respect you as a poster here, and your opinions. I just don't share them in regards to Trump.

From: HA/KS
12-Feb-16
Two politicians who have never been wrong

obama trump

Am I the only one who is scared by that?

From: blugrass
12-Feb-16
Blah Blah Blah! Show me a PERFECT candidate and I'll vote for him. Till then I don't mind voting for Trump, and unlike some folks, I will vote for the Republican nominee, no matter who.

From: ar troy
12-Feb-16
Cruz has his faults too , blugrass. But thinking Hillary is great and terrific, identifying as a democrat, being squishy on the 2A, supporting socialized medicine, and donating hundreds of thousands to the democrat cause aren't among them. Thank goodness.

From: pipe
12-Feb-16
I do not think Trump is genuine...SC will be an interesting test. To me, his outward behavior is not presidential...and his past stands on very important issues may perhaps regurgitate when it suits him best...that worries me. As he said recently, "I can change?

From: pipe
12-Feb-16
And...if he does become the nominee, I will enthusiastically vote for Trump.

From: ar troy
12-Feb-16
If he is the nominee, republicans will have shown their inability to nominate a worthy candidate for president yet again. I will find a conservative to vote for.

From: Woods Walker
13-Feb-16
I'll say it once again. The ONLY reason why Trump is where he is, is because of the Republican Party's leadership doing absolutely NOTHING they promised to do when they got the power back (allegedly).

I don't trust Trump. But I don't trust the GOP leadership anymore either. And I'm at the point where I believe that if Cruz did get elected they'd stick a knife in his back too, all the while pontificating on what they "can't" and "won't" do. What a crock of chit.

Torches and pitchforks!

From: Elkhuntr
13-Feb-16
"Ditto ar troy and WW."

X2.

With McConnell and Boner publicly vowing to defeat the Tea Party, I expect some on the GOP side to campaign for the Dem if Cruz is the nominee.

I would not be surprised to see ORomney, Boner, McCain, Graham and a few others at a Hillary campaign event, telling us how qualified she is and that she will work with the moderate republicans to get things done.

From: Woods Walker
13-Feb-16
"I would not be surprised to see ORomney, Boner, McCain, Graham and a few others at a Hillary campaign event, telling us how qualified she is and that she will work with the moderate republicans to get things done."

While I do not believe they'd do this publicly, I believe that they'd not only do it clandestantly, but that it's already in the works.

The above mentioned are Washington elite class politicians before they are anything else.

From: Rocky
13-Feb-16
The difference is if the they stick a knife in Trumps back he will not say thank you like the scumbags in Washington have done.

Call him whatever you like..but unlike...ahemmm...some here on the CF.... he will not run from a fight.

The Rock

From: joshuaf
13-Feb-16
"Call him whatever you like..but unlike...ahemmm...some here on the CF.... he will not run from a fight."

Oh Dear. The Irony is strong in this one. Are you talking about the same guy who tweeted yesterday that if Ted Cruz doesn't stop being a big bad meanie that Trump will sue him?

Is this the same Trump who called Cruz a bit of a "maniac" and had bad temperament then when given the opportunity at the debate a few days later to reprise that attack, folded like a cheap suit?

Somebody call the Waaammmbulance.

From: Rocky
13-Feb-16
Joshauf,

Yes. That guy.

The Rock

From: Shuteye
13-Feb-16
Again, I don't think Hillary will get the nomination. If she does and Trump or Cruz get the Republican nomination they can easily beat Clinton if they have the Republicans behind them. Either one would eat Clinton alive in the debates. The others would all be the word you goody two shoes are afraid to say. The other's would all get their marching orders from the Republican elites but Trum and Cruz march to the beat of their own drums, not the elite. I'll call the others wussies.

From: joshuaf
13-Feb-16
Trump is a Paper Tiger, whenever anyone has enough balls to actually hit him back he folds like a cheap suit. I expect to see multiple instances of that at the debate tonight.

From: joshuaf
13-Feb-16
"Can we all at least agree on that?"

You make the mistake of assuming that's why many Republicans are supporting Trump, versus the likely real reason, which is "I'll build a Wall!"

A lot of Republicans are getting exposed by their support for Trump, as Nationalists more than Conservatives.

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