If the way trump supporters treat those of us who do not fall in love with him is any indication of how trump would treat us if he is elected, than I am more sure than ever that he is not fit to be president.
It looks like we're going to cancel each others votes.
I also do not see how anyone with a conscience could vote for anyone who praises her and gives her money, and does major business ventures with state-owned companies in oppressive nations.
NOBODY is cancelling my vote - or forcing me to vote for someone I do not believe in just because they are not quite the worst candidate in the race.
The idea of voting for an obvious psychopath and narcissist like Trump is repugnant and normally I try and do what is right no matter the cost.
However at this juncture, for me and my long term interests, the Fascist ticket with Trump is the best move remaining on the chess board.
I am talking about those who have nothing but nasty, negative, crude, crass, and very totalitarian-sounding responses to anyone who does not toe the trump line. Unfortunately, their tone reminds me of the worst I have seen from trump and it makes me wonder....
For the most part, everything I have posted about trump was his own words. If he is so great, why is posting his own words such a crime?
I have also posted a couple of opinion pieces that I stated up front were from sources I did not consider friendly to trump to show what he will be facing. Again, I was attacked for posting a true statement - he will face a torrent of bad press. Some will be true, some totally false, but all will have an impact.
Now if you say Trump supporters on the CF...
I'm sure Henry isn't voting for Hillary, nor am I.
"her proven track record of failure"
Donald Trump has a long, long list of business ventures that have been failures.
"accepting money from countries who treat women as slaves."
Donald Trump does business in countries that treat women like slaves.
"The people who are fed up with the status quo keep voting for the same establishment that created the problems to begin with."
I think you mean Trump voters, because they voted for a guy who is quintessentially status quo.
Aren't they all?
Henry, there is logic in some of the reasons stated as reasons to vote for Trump. Where the Logic train completely derails is when examining whether Trump actually believes any of those things or if he suddenly found those positions when he decided to run for President as a Republican.
Apparently we ARE to judge some things.
They have nominated a bankrupt reality star when GJ elected a community organizer.
Hail to the closet Democrats.....lol
"If the way trump supporters treat those of us who do not fall in love with him...."
What reality do you live in? Be honest and admit this thread had no purpose other than to poke the hornets nest,no good will ever come out of these Trump hate threads that have been going on day after day. Trump or any other candidate is flawed,WE GET IT! Now you get over it and vote for Hillary.
If that does not apply to you, then you have no worry.
If you have not accused those who fail to fall in love with trump of being hilary supporters, then why get upset?
If you have not called people who state that they will not support trump vile names and posted vile graphics, then ignore the thread.
Judging harshly? Each person can judge for themselves whether their actions are appropriate.
me (above) "Several have expressed their logical reasons for voting for trump. I have never countered their opinions because they have thought out a logical reason for their vote that matches their conscience. These same people have also not gone snarky on those of us who have reached a different logical conclusion based on our own conscience and logic. I respect that. We may never agree on trump, but that is OK."
Solo "When have any of you self-professed 'fruit judgers' applied any of these godly traits to your judgment in your writings here of Trump OR toward those of us who will cast their votes for him?
I've never seen it from any of you anti-"Trumpettes" yet.
You're just a pack of suicidal voters who feed upon deception...."
That is very true. Some think the end is the next paycheck, hunting season, or election. I know it is much more permanent than that.
Spike, I don't think we have any real evidence to stipulate that this is true, and an "R" after his name on the ballots doesn't count since he spent so many years acting like a "D".
There is going to be a new President and one of the first things that person will do is fill a vacant SCOTUS seat. A consequence lasting far longer than the Presidential title.
We know what Hillary will do, and her number one issue is restricting gun rights. And allowing continue illegal immigration... AND bringing in more immigrants from Syria. No matter how much you dislike and distrust Trump.. the KNOWN immediate and lasting danger that Hillary represents appears far worse.
Spike,
I will bet you any amount of money you would like that the POTUS will be either the Democrat or the Republican that is on the ticket. Guess what....it will be like that in every future POTUS election in my lifetime.
The primaries are over. At this point you can do nothing but take your ball and go home. There are 2 people that can win the election....just like always one is a Democrat and the other is a Republican. You can stand on principle all you like but it will do just as good at this point as going out and screaming to the sky.
Trump was not my candidate but I will suck it up and pull the lever for him. It is the ONLY option unless you are leftist.
So yeah, I agree... "Sometimes I wonder how intelligent people can act so unintelligent."
I keep reading about the ills of the "eGOP" yet those very same people crying foul are in lock step with them.
Also...the offer stands for anyone that would like to take that bet.
Its silly to accuse conservatives of being pro Hillary or pro GOP status quo when they obviously are not and are wrestling with having to cast their vote for someone who doesn't represent their beliefs...again.
We may never have a conservative, Constitution loving President again. We for sure won't if we accept something different over and over. The country will suffer if Hillary is elected. The country may be lost if we don't get back to the formula that allowed it to become great.
Looking at the next 4 - 8 years, voting for Trump is probably the better choice. For the next 50 years, its not as clear. Voting, and withholding votes, is powerful in two ways. It helps a candidate get elected and it sends a message to the parties regarding future candidates.
There is an argument to be made that we may need to get worse before we can start to get better. I get that Trump lifts a giant middle finger to the status quo and I love that their little party was crashed. Unfortunately, it needed to be crashed by a conservative but we didn't have an electable one in the race.
The general campaign is just starting. A lot of information, surprises, alliances, debates and world events can change things between now and voting day. All I am sure of now is that I won't vote for Hillary. The SCOTUS is a giant issue. One spot is in play for sure. Whats unknown is if any will pass or step down in the next 4 years, or if Hillary wins, will she get a second term which greatly ups the odds of more appointments.
Not voting Trump absolutely helps Hillary. Thats a simple fact. Whats not so simple is pulling the lever for someone you don't want to be President, over, and over, and over again.
He knows that and he doesn't believe it for one second, just trying to rile people like you and me up. Telling us more about himself than anything else.
"I keep reading about the ills of the "eGOP" yet those very same people crying foul are in lock step with them."
If some in the Republican Establishment happen to be against Trump, then good for them. Because I and others are also against Trump doesn't mean we have any connection to the Republican Establishment. And I don't know if you're being intentionally dishonest about it or if you're simply ill-informed, but there's a LOT more of the GOP Establishment that has "fallen in line" behind Trump than those who haven't. Just fyi.
I've been making this argument since probably the Dole election. Everybody says, after the "more electable" GOP Candidate (fill in the blank, Dole/McCain/Romney/Trump) gets his hat handed to him by the Democrat, that they'll never do this again, won't be tricked again into voting for someone other than a true Constitutional Conservative. And every 4 years, they forget and do it all over again. Total Deja Vu.
I absolutely do believe it. You only have 2 viable options. Obviously you are a man of principle and plan to push Hillary over the line.
"If some in the Republican Establishment happen to be against Trump, then good for them. Because I and others are also against Trump doesn't mean we have any connection to the Republican Establishment."
You just so happen to have the very same response....I see that as a connection.
Glunt,
With the Democrat voter drive known as illegal immigration, it has pretty much sealed the deal that Democrats won't lose again if they win this one.
Glunt,
What exactly is this "message" and who are you sending this "message" to?...
""Unfortunately, it needed to be crashed by a conservative but we didn't have an electable one in the race.""
How are you going to get an "electable conservative" in the race and what are the qualifications for being a "electable conservative." ?
How do we fix it? You can't for this cycle but you vote out every non conservative you can in the PRIMARY. The conservative(s) lost, now unless you want to lose MORE ground you have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Trust me....I have held my nose to vote more than the average guy....I voted for Bevin in the primary but I sure as heck wasn't voting for Dolf Lundgren Grimes in the general. As horrible as McConnell is he's still at least a registered Republican who might on a slim chance vote against liberals....pretty much no Democrat will.
McConnell lauded Clinton as “intelligent and capable” while casting Trump as not yet credible.
