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HA/KS 21-Jul-16
HDE 21-Jul-16
'Ike' (Phone) 21-Jul-16
HA/KS 22-Jul-16
'Ike' (Phone) 22-Jul-16
HA/KS 22-Jul-16
TD 22-Jul-16
HA/KS 22-Jul-16
joshuaf 22-Jul-16
Woods Walker 22-Jul-16
Owl 22-Jul-16
Bowbender 22-Jul-16
JayG@work 22-Jul-16
ar troy 22-Jul-16
Scar Finga 22-Jul-16
LINK 22-Jul-16
Mint 22-Jul-16
Ace 22-Jul-16
joshuaf 22-Jul-16
TD 22-Jul-16
Stalker 22-Jul-16
ar troy 22-Jul-16
Woods Walker 22-Jul-16
Rocky 23-Jul-16
ar troy 23-Jul-16
Woods Walker 23-Jul-16
HA/KS 23-Jul-16
ar troy 23-Jul-16
Bowbender 23-Jul-16
Bowbender 23-Jul-16
Bowbender 23-Jul-16
spudwrench4rp 23-Jul-16
ar troy 23-Jul-16
spudwrench4rp 23-Jul-16
Woods Walker 23-Jul-16
joshuaf 23-Jul-16
Woods Walker 23-Jul-16
foxbo 25-Jul-16
ar troy 25-Jul-16
Bowbender 25-Jul-16
HA/KS 25-Jul-16
Woods Walker 25-Jul-16
ar troy 26-Jul-16
From: HA/KS
21-Jul-16
I have known the author of this for over 40 years (acquaintances, never close friends). It is widely known that trump was the least (or nearly so) conservative running for the nomination, but conservatives will get blamed for him. Win, or lose, conservatives will get saddled with his legacy.

"Forgive me conservative friends, I love you dearly, but Donald Trump --**** you and the political porn pony you rode in on. You are a liar. You are a bigot. You are a cheat. You are a manipulator. Nothing -- NOTHING -- short of resurrecting Hitler could be worse for this country. You bilked students through your "university" and you dare talk about education. You who have been married multiple times are no one to speak of family values. You lie. You cheat. You treat the future of our country like some stupid *** reality TV show. Nothing has sickened me like what I have heard this week. Wake up America!"

From: HDE
21-Jul-16
It will be interesting to see what happens if he wins. Because I think the Dems will take the House this time. The balance of power will shift the other way, and pissed off Reps and conservatives will support articles of impeachment...

21-Jul-16
They are awake, those in Washington are the ones that need to 'wake up!'

From: HA/KS
22-Jul-16
The best case scenario is that trump has been faking his liberalism for all of his life (or had a real conversion just as he decided to run), governs as a conservative, and makes those of us who did not trust him look foolish.

I can't decide which is a worse case scenario:

A. He is so unpalatable that a democrat gets elected.

B. He gets elected and governs like a leftist, but conservatives get blamed for it, permanently killing any chance for America to actually turn back to its roots.

22-Jul-16
Is what it is, now we just have to power through it...

From: HA/KS
22-Jul-16
The person who wrote this is a dedicated leftist who would be unhappy no matter who got nominated, but now these people have ammunition to use against conservatism.

From: TD
22-Jul-16
Shocked a leftist derided him about multiple marriages.... maybe it's the fact they got married... surely didn't stop Willy....

From: HA/KS
22-Jul-16
Just like trump, leftists hold others accountable to standards they have no respect for and no intention of ever meeting.

From: joshuaf
22-Jul-16
"Is what it is, now we just have to power through it..."

Hey Trump Cheerleader, don't act like you're an innocent bystander.

From: Woods Walker
22-Jul-16
LMAO! A Hellary enabler calling someone else an innocent bystander!

YOU will just as responsible for her getting elected as anyone at the DNC convention.

From: Owl
22-Jul-16
"Conservatism" is culpable for its collapse. The way I see it, it is already done. It was inevitable because 'conservatism' is an artificial construct. Lastly, I have hope because, with so many disenfranchised people in the middle, there exists a legitimate political opportunity to move toward liberty and smaller government.

The disaffected need to break programming, however, and honestly acknowledge and philosophically dispense with their own fascistic impulses. That may be an insurmountable hurdle.

From: Bowbender
22-Jul-16
Curious.... I was recently promoted. Several of the reasons given for my promotion were that I am a person of principle and integrity, I do what is right even when it goes against the grain, a willingness to compromise without violating my core principles.

As I move up, at what point do my principles become guidelines, or up for sale?

We're fed shit sandwich after shit sandwich and some of you folks can't understand we're done eating shit sandwiches. MCain, Romney, Trump.... WTF is wrong with you people? We keep lowering the bar for what is acceptable. And the best part is....some folks on here that I USED to respect, denigrate, mock, call names, to those that hold fast to what is true, what is right, what is moral, what is PRINCIPLED.

You vilify Cruz because he doesn't get along with the very same politicians YOU claim are the problem. I swear you can't make this shit up. We want a conservative!! We want a conservative!! We want a conservative!! That was the cry, A constitutional conservative. And you nominate Hillary-Lite. Thanks, thanks one helluva lot.

From: JayG@work
22-Jul-16
Wow Bowbender. You really nailed it.

From: ar troy
22-Jul-16
What Bowbender said.

Keyes was really the only choice we had in 2008, besides whackadoodle Ron Paul. I think Fred Thompson would have been great, but either he didn't really want it, or was getting sick.

Santorum was screwed by Newt in 2012, with Ron Paul in the background.

Absolutely no excuse this cycle. Cruz, Rubio, Rand Paul, Fiorina, any of them would have been a vast improvement.

From: Scar Finga
22-Jul-16
I like Rubio a lot, He is young, and hopefully he learns, improves and has a future. I am a Born Again Christian! I don't really like Trump, but I feel he is better than a person that "I" feel has committed treason... She let people die!!! She has mishandled Classified information that put people in danger! There is no excuse for that and I would be terrified with her as our CaC. We are in a real mess either way it goes, and what this great country needs is a lot of prayer!

God Bless Brothers!

Scar.

From: LINK
22-Jul-16
Who fed bowbender the hanging curveball? He just put it in the cheap seats.

From: Mint
22-Jul-16
As far as I'm concerned it is to late to moan about it and change anything. I'll do like I always do with the nominee, vote for him and hope that he governs like a conservative.

From: Ace
22-Jul-16
In the real world, where I live, the choice sometimes comes down to a shit sandwich and a smelly putrid rotted mystery sandwich which is hard to identify but you're pretty sure is almost as bad as that shit sandwich.

Doing nothing is not an option (if you refuse to pick, one of them will be crammed down your throat). You have to make a choice,, live with it, take responsibility for it, make the best of it, and try like hell to make sure that the next time there will be more acceptable choices.

We have the choices that we have, if everyone who disliked Trump but disliked Hillary even more voted for Gary Johnson, Hillary would be elected overwhelmingly. Do some of you guys see that as a win since Trump would go down in defeat but the Libertarian Party would at least get into the debates?

Perhaps some people actually think Gary Johnson can win, or you don't think Hillary would be as bad as I do. Or perhaps you believe that this country will be just fine after 4 or 8 more years like the last 8. And that a proper Conservative can fix it after that. I'm at a loss to understand your position on this given where we are today, with THESE choices.

From: joshuaf
22-Jul-16
Bowbender, that was Spot. On.

From: TD
22-Jul-16
Bowbender pretty much summed it up.

And what Owl said. I was completely shocked when the conservative base, which I felt was a building movement... just disappeared. The principles, ethics, morals of conservatism just evaporated. All the talk was just just that. Talk.

It was a great lesson to me. "Self Identified" anything means nothing.... just an ego/facebook thing, a prop. Because that "self" will "identify" as something else on a whim.... or convenience. Trust. Commitment. There is very little commitment to anything as it may involve discomfort or denial of some kind.

From: Stalker
22-Jul-16
Bowbender was spot on.

Now reality sinks in and there are now 2 nominees, none of which you approve of. So you are left with the 3 choice's- Trump, Clinton, or Cowardice! Which way will you go?

From: ar troy
22-Jul-16
You'll have to do better than that Stalker. Those of us who can't support Trump have been called cowards and worse many times already. It doesn't change the principles or ideals that prevents me from supporting him. It will be much easier forgiving the sharp tongues than forgetting them when the election is over. This will be my second time through it, more for others.

From: Woods Walker
22-Jul-16
Who exactly FED us Trump?? Certainly not the GOP leadership. Not the media.

Hmmmm....maybe...just MAYBE he got to be where he is because...now brace yourself...

MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM OVER THE OTHERS!

Reality can be a real b*tch, huh?

And there's more bad news...REALLY bad news. Brace yourself again....

If you think THAT reality was a b*tch, you have a reality coming at you now at a really fast pace that's going to make the first one pale by comparison, and that's HELLARY CLINTON becoming POTUS and putting a majority of progressive commie/libs on the SCOTUS.

That will make the perceived "being fed" of this election seem like child's play compared to the outright forced sodomization that will occur to us and our children when what's left of our freedoms are taken from us by a SCOTUS totally devoid of the rule of law and any respect for the Constitution.

From: Rocky
23-Jul-16
Maybe Hillary Clinton is whats wrong with us. What do you think? As if conscience and integrity that are so highly valued could have changed the last 7+ years and could affect the next 8 with the candidates we have been afforded.

Wake up. The Dems rule our lives, our children's lives and our future BECAUSE they lack conscience and integrity. You fight fire with fire and then once extinguished we can be a piddler of good deeds to our hearts desire and gallop around on our white horse.

Until then the remedy for self aggrandizement and squeaky clean living has us all covered in mud living under the boot of liberalism. "Some" will not lower their self proclaimed uppity values even for the sake of their country as if it will be engraved in CAPS on their headstone.

Stopping Clinton is the only thing that should be on the lips and minds of every conservative. Once achieved scream your lungs out for everyone in the world to have your values. See how far that gets you. I imagine some here has led a life of pure integrity and clean conscience and have been proud of everything they have done in their life, and have never compromised their own values for any reason. Sell that to CNN because I am not buying that BS.

Everyone born has sinned and will continue to if the moment and circumstances presents itself. If you stand apart enter your name for Sainthood.

Wake the fuq up and stop Clinton. We have enough Saints.

The Rock

From: ar troy
23-Jul-16
"For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?"

Rocky,

I understand that you don't understand. Anyone who questions the value of, or simply doesn't naturally hold conscience, integrity, honor, character, and morals in the highest regard, wouldn't understand.

There are precious few things in this world that I am willing to sacrifice any or all of those things for. Donald Trump, who I think views many of these things much like you, isn't one of them. The republican party isn't either. Nor is control of the supreme court. And sadly, neither is this country I live in. While I am confident that I would be willing to give my life to defend it, those things are bigger, and more important than my life. You don't have to understand it to know that this is what I believe. Doubt it if you'd like, ridicule and demean it if you must.

Folks like you, and the republican party want to pretend like they are asking this of you for the first time, and that it will never happen again. But you and I both know we'll be back here in 4 years with people making the same arguments, won't we?

In truth, it is only justified because hey, you sacrificed your principles and integrity 4 years ago, didn't you? And wasn't it you, 4 years before that who knew that McCain didn't represent your views on almost anything, but you sucked it up and punched the ticket for him anyway?

In the end, we have to do what we think is right. I don't think it is right to ask me to sacrifice my integrity and principles yet again for a candidate, party, and people who have no intention of sacrificing a thing to preserve the things I hold dear.

From: Woods Walker
23-Jul-16
Rough sledding??? OMG! How about not even having a frickin' anymore HILL to sled down! Not to mention that your "sled" will have been banned because it resembles a "military style" sled!!!

When the SCOTUS is packed with progressive liberals who'll IGNORE the Constitution you may as well wipe your as....um, I mean...eyes with principles.

Remember..we are fighting an enemy (and make NO mistake, they are the enemy every bit as much as ISIS is, and maybe worse) who has ZERO principles. She/they have already on most every issue demonstrated that they no regard for the Constitution, rule of law, your freedom to speak and just about everything we hold dear as Americans.

I simply cannot make it any plainer than that. If you don't get it now then you never will.

I truly believe that this our last chance before the only option left is bloodshed. I DO NOT want it to come to that.

From: HA/KS
23-Jul-16
"true principles don't lead you and your loved ones to walk off a cliff."

They also do not tell a person to always seek safety or path or least resistance.

lion's den

fiery furnace

cross

From: ar troy
23-Jul-16
The proposition that we are going to fix this country from the depths we've gone to without bloodshed is about as likely as picking up a turd from the clean end. We have leftist socialists in the street calling for the deaths of police officers as we speak. We have criminal immigrants, only here because of generational corruption of the legislative branch of our government, who are committing heinous crimes against American citizens every day, and half of the voting public not only wants more of them, they want to declare them legal or do away with the border altogether.

Does anyone honestly think we aren't going to have to fight, bleed, and die if we ever want to live and enjoy the liberty given to us by God? You are fooling yourself.

From: Bowbender
23-Jul-16
....and yet another believes the $1,000 a night whore that whispers in his ear "yeah baby, you're a rock star in bed...the best ever."

From: Bowbender
23-Jul-16

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"Does anyone honestly think we aren't going to have to fight, bleed, and die if we ever want to live and enjoy the liberty given to us by God? LOL!!!!

"Talk about melodramatic."

Talk about forgetting our own history.

From: Bowbender
23-Jul-16
So now reminding others that their liberties and freedoms were bought with blood is now "melodramatic"?

I won't be shamed or coerced into voting for someone who would not be welcome in my home. The ultimate Washington insider, the epitome of "The Establishment" and you're hanging your hope n change on that? Like I said you can't make this shit up.

23-Jul-16

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ar troy, In one post you praise those who have "integrity, honor, character, and morals in the highest regard" But then in an earlier post you called Ron Paul "whackadoodle". Ron if you were unaware had a cumulative score (According to the JBS Freedom Index) of 96% Constitutionally correct votes during his time as a Congressman. From the 108th through the 112th sessions he scored 100% In the 107th 90% and 94% in the 106th. Seems to me he took his oath to support and defend very serious and is embodied with all those qualities you hold dear.

Sorry all, for going off topic.

From: ar troy
23-Jul-16
Ron Paul was a great legislator, but refusing to take the fight to the enemy and instead issuing letters of marque and the like to deal with terrorism was pretty out there if you ask me. You can't let the most agressive and brutal have free run of the world, and not expect them to show up on your doorstep eventually.

23-Jul-16

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ar troy,By refusing to consider all the possible reasons for the rise in terrorism seems to me, a flaw in reasoning which could lead to the wrong coarse of action for dealing with the issue. During the 08 election Ron tried to raise awareness about a CIA's report stating "Blow Back" from meddling and covert operations to oust leaders (1953 Iran coup to name one) from other nations was at least part of the cause in creating terrorist, add to this an aggressive foreign policy which has embraced pre-emptive strikes, with high civilian casualties and terrorism has only increased.As has their recruitment numbers.

This your sentence can cut both ways if applied honestly from their view point. You can't let the most agressive and brutal have free run of the world, and not expect them to show up on your doorstep eventually.

From: Woods Walker
23-Jul-16
Well I can tell you this, if it comes down to dying in a pile of spent brass I'll be right beside the rest of you.

But I just pray to God that it won't have to come to that. The ship has been broadsided and is taking on water but it hasn't sunk.......yet.

From: joshuaf
23-Jul-16
"The ship has been broadsided and is taking on water but it hasn't sunk.......yet."

That didn't seem to be Trump's message the other night. His message seemed to be "America Sucks, and I Alone can fix it!"

From: Woods Walker
23-Jul-16
Why do you care? You're with Hillary.

From: foxbo
25-Jul-16
So no matter what, some of you guys just aren't going to support Trump. You just can't bring yourselves to support him because of your principles. OK.

From: ar troy
25-Jul-16
As WW said, why do you care? You're with Trump. Principles and those who uphold them don't matter.

From: Bowbender
25-Jul-16
From my first post:

"As I move up, at what point do my principles become guidelines, or up for sale?"

Feel free to mock, be condescending, call me butt-hurt or a myriad of other names. It's sure fire way to win friends and influence others.

From: HA/KS
25-Jul-16

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From: Woods Walker
25-Jul-16
Of course principles matter, but so does the SCOTUS.

When Hellary puts more Sotomayors, Kagans and Ginsburgs on the court then principles will have about as much consideration as a fart in the wind.

From: ar troy
26-Jul-16

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