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HA/KS 30-Sep-16
sundowner 01-Oct-16
Bowfreak 01-Oct-16
Thumper 01-Oct-16
slade 01-Oct-16
Thumper 01-Oct-16
HA/KS 01-Oct-16
sundowner 01-Oct-16
Thumper 01-Oct-16
bad karma 02-Oct-16
slade 02-Oct-16
bad karma 02-Oct-16
sundowner 02-Oct-16
Thumper 02-Oct-16
Mike in CT 02-Oct-16
Thumper 02-Oct-16
slade 02-Oct-16
HA/KS 02-Oct-16
From: HA/KS
30-Sep-16
I heard two radio conversations today.

I am pretty sure the first one was one was on Rush. A caller from the rust belt talked about hearing Pence talk about doing away with NAFTA and TPP. The crowd went wild. Both are considered to be harmful to American manufacturing and are very unpopular in the rust belt.

Hosts on an agriculture radio program talked about meeting with trummp's ag adviser who assured them that trump would not change NAFTA or TPP. Both are considered to be good for American Agriculture and are very popular in the ag belt.

From: sundowner
01-Oct-16
If it happens to be true that these people even discussed it with Trump's "ag adviser", then wouldn't it be likely that he got it wrong, or that they misunderstood what he said? Given that both Trump and Pence have condemned NAFTA and TPP, wouldn't you say that would be likely?

I'd much rather be disappointed by a blowhard narcissist than by a lying, corrupt, criminal socialist. The disappointments from the former will be far less ruinous to the nation than those of the latter.

Are you carrying on for josh.....or carrying water for Hillary?

From: Bowfreak
01-Oct-16
Sundowner, the answer to your last question is yes.

From: Thumper
01-Oct-16
What HA/KA failed to report is Trump will keep the parts of NAFTA that are good for OUR economy and discontinue those that are sucking the life out of it. So there's no reason to claim some will be disappointed. Well, not unless you're worried about your family members loosing their jobs in Mexico where you have to start sending them your money. It's all about that 95% of the World Hillary is more concerned about, they will be dissipointed.

From: slade
01-Oct-16
Thumper,

It's called Christian Taqiyya...

From: Thumper
01-Oct-16
I guess that's the pc way to say they're stinking lying bastards?

From: HA/KS
01-Oct-16
Thumper, it is a negotiated agreement. Will the other party be willing to do away with the parts that are good for them and keep the ones that are good for us?

I know that is how trump does business deals, at times in the past not paying what he originally agreed to pay.

Will it work with foreign nations?

From: sundowner
01-Oct-16
HA/KS,

Being in real estate development business myself, I understand that subcontractors sometimes do not fulfill their obligations under the terms of their subcontract. In those cases, the subcontract may be terminated, and another sub brought in to finish that part of the project.

Since you obviously work in the public sector, it is understandable how you may not have a grasp of how real business works. Unlike public, government undertakings, the private sector is based upon performance and results, not good effort nor good intentions. People actually offer competitive bids, and they are awarded contracts based upon price, schedule and past performance, not whether they "intended" to perform nor whose back they scratched lately.

It may seem strange and harsh to you, but that is how the real business world operates.

"I know that is how Trump does business deals".

You do not know anything of the sort.It is likely that you know absolutely nothing about how Donald Trump does business, and wouldn't understand it if you did.

So let up with the Trump bashing. You're beginning to look foolish, and that is never good for a person in the field of education.

From: Thumper
01-Oct-16
Nations often renegotiate trade agreements, this is nothing new. But when Trump renegotiates he will be looking out the 5%, not the 95% Hillary is most concerned about. This would be a new.

From: bad karma
02-Oct-16
Henry posed a legitimate question. Instead of dealing with the question, many of you choose to insult Henry personally, and imagine what Trump would do. It would be useful if there was any supporting evidence behind any of these claims.

And Sundowner, I negotiate dozens of deals a year, and used to negotiate deals in my prior engineering career. We're talking government to government negotiation, between countries, which is not the same as contractor to subcontractor. Many times performance is the least important thing in those deals. The idea that Trump will walk in and change things immediately is the same wishful thinking we heard in 2008 about Obama.

It's a little funny..you chided Henry for not knowing how Trump would negotiate, but when Thumper imagines how it would happen, well, he's somehow immune.

There seems to be no shortage of the Trump kool-aid.

From: slade
02-Oct-16

slade's Link
Well lets just see the links to the conversations the vote seller heard on the radio Fri Sept 30th where Trumps ag advisor "assured them that Trump would not change NAFTA or TPP."

OK cowboy let's see your cattle. Take your time and google to your achy breaky hearts content.

This is gonna be better then Hee-Haw.

PS, please refrain from Hillary enabling twaddle on what the definition of what "Trump would not change NAFTA or TPP" is.

From: bad karma
02-Oct-16
Anyone who uses the term "butt-hurt" instead of rational thought will get no substantive response from me. You don't exist.

From: sundowner
02-Oct-16
bk, There is no doubt that "performance is the least important thing" in negotiations between governments. They have an ace in the hole.....they can print more money so there are no immediate apparent consequences for losing.....the ultimate safety net.

As you probably very well know, it does not work that way in private business. Trump will bring to the table a mindset that is different, based upon his experience in private business negotiations....not government BS. And, like many here, although Trump was not my first choice, I will vote for him because the alternative is disastrous.

Where has Trump claimed that he will "walk in and change things immediately"? If he has said that I missed it.

Henry made some uncharacteristically broad statements about Trump's operating procedure. Hard to defend him making statements for which he could not possibly have any backup knowledge or documentation.

From: Thumper
02-Oct-16
B/K there wasn't a question.

" Subject: RE: Somebody will be disappointed"

From: Mike in CT
02-Oct-16
B/K there wasn't a question.

True, but only due to the fact that Henry actually posted two questions:

"Thumper, it is a negotiated agreement. Will the other party be willing to do away with the parts that are good for them and keep the ones that are good for us?"

Ironic that you would post that Henry hasn't asked a question since this one is clearly directed at you and he later in this post asked another:

"Will it work with foreign nations?"

As bk did not refer to only the title of this thread his reference to a question should have been cause to search not only the title of the thread but all ensuing posts by Henry.

In another instance of irony this seems in concert with a spate of assumptions flying around the CF of late.

I've not run across too many serious topics that were well served by proceeding on assumption(s) first, facts second (if at all).

From: Thumper
02-Oct-16
Mike, those are questions Harry should have answered before implying Trump supporters will be dissipointed.

From: slade
02-Oct-16
Thanks all Hat. After awhile one would think ye would tire of putting thy alligator mouth ahead of thy capon arse. But no, thy butt-hurts flock to run interference as only a Don Disser could.

PS,

""It would be useful if there was any supporting evidence behind any of these claims.""

Still waiting for

"assured them that Trump would not change NAFTA or TPP"

From: HA/KS
02-Oct-16

HA/KS's Link
It is a statement. Somebody WILL be disappointed. Some people believe that trump will immediately do away with the parts of NAFTA they do not like and will not approve TPP.

Others believe that trump will keep the parts of NAFTA they like and will get TPP approved.

After the irrational statement "What HA/KA failed to report is Trump will keep the parts of NAFTA that are good for OUR economy and discontinue those that are sucking the life out of it."

I asked two questions. Neither have been addressed in any factual way.

From the link:

"The report found a tendency for Trump's businesses to engage in lengthy legal battles over relatively small dollar figures, often making settlements that require confidentiality from the plaintiffs.

During construction on the Trump Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City, N.J., in 1990, records show that Trump failed to pay at least 253 subcontractors in full or on time."

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