When Jill Stein launched her effort for recounts in WI, PA and MI, she posted the total cost would be $2.5 M. Then it was $4.5M. Now it's $6 - $7M and growing.
She claims she's raised $4.6M so far, but I wonder, how much of that has been received and how much is simply pledges?
She claims the money that's been raised is all from the grass roots. I call BS!
I'd bet the farm most, if not all of it is from Clinton surrogates who want to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.
I smell a George Soros effort here.
When we've lost in the past, we may have been pissed for a few days, but learned to live with it, disgruntled, but lived with it.
What do you guys think about the million dollars a day it costs to secure the Tower, as Melania and the boy finish out the school year in Manhattan?
And everything else I got to see and hear every time I turn on the news.
Before the election the left was vilifying Trump for refusing to say whether or not he'd accept the results if he lost. But he won and so the left refuses to accept the results and are rioting, blocking traffic and threatening people.
We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
Where'd you get the $1,000,000/day figure? Dem Underground? Daily Kos?
If a Secret Service officer costs the government $500/day in salary and benefits, you'd need 2,000 officers each day to use up $1,000,000.
FraDiavolo's Link
"Protecting President-elect Donald Trump and his family is costing New York City more than $1 million a day, according to three city officials. And those costs won't necessarily drop significantly once he moves to the White House. That's because Melania Trump and their 10-year old son Barron expect to stay at their home at Trump Tower in midtown Manhattan, at least until the end of the school year. And Donald Trump has indicated he plans to return home regularly, especially while they're still here."
That's not what you said the first time. Nor did you show the calculation.
Then, don't forget, if she and the son are in NY, they will not need protection in DC. So you'd need to subtract that amount from whatever is the real amount.
Your initial post on this is incorrect and misleading in another way: Protecting Trump's other kids and grandkids have absolutely nothing to do with Melania wanting to stay in NY until the son graduates.
But I must admit, other than spending money on the military, this may be the first time in history a liberal cared about how much money the government spends.
Hypothetically, what would happen if all of a sudden there is a revelation that the count was wrong and clinton actually won the 3 states to put her to 270 electoral votes? Is this all a ploy to make the crybabies feel better?
Makes you wonder if the reason they want the recount is to find the lost votes that they stacked to "spike the punch" to ensure her victory.
I put NOTHING past them.
When they abuse the system we have in place to get ahead, they will fully understand just how pissed the American people really are and those same are the ones that make this country run.
And you whined and complained the entire time. You won, now deal with the complaints! I did, though I expect NOT for eight years. (In fact, if the transition is any sign, the Trump administration will be so incompetent that I predict the Republicans will impeach him.)
You TOTALLY ignored the challenge, the numbers and the questions.
Why is that?
Can't/Don't want to even consider the actual numbers, do you?
Nor do you even remotely want to exclude from the faux numbers that need to be excluded for all of Trump's children and grandchildren that have NOTHING to do with Melania's decision to stay in NY for five months until her child is finished with his schooling.
You ignore all of this, yet you wonder why The Witch From Hell lost.
UFB!
Incompetence is hardly a high crime and misdemeanor. Otherwise the current sitting pres would've been kicked out a long time ago.
Break it down for me -- if you have, I've missed it.
>>>Incompetence is hardly a high crime and misdemeanor. Otherwise the current sitting pres would've been kicked out a long time ago.<<<
Well, I disagree with you on the issue of Obama's competence. But, I think you will find that Trump's international business holdings, which he refuses to divest or place in a blind trust, will yield enough material for the craven Republicans to oust him. Not that I look forward to President Pence, but at least he can be trusted with the nuclear codes. (I think they should give fake codes to Trump.)
You seem to be confused as to what constitutes "fact"; aside from the fact that these numbers are being floated by "three unnamed officials" in the DiBlasio administration and no one else, the $1M/day is at best a projection (check Snopes if you like).
You also seem to conveniently overlook the facts about the realities of government-afforded protections to family of presidents; it's been SOP for awhile now so please cease the faux outrage.
You also seem to be equally confused on the issue of the incompetence of the present occupier of the Oval Office:
*Real unemployment isn't 4.8%, it's under the rosiest of projections about 9.6% (research U6 versus U3 numbers); reality is it's likely still higher as one should factor in the delta (change in value over time) in the %Labor Force participation from Jan 2009 to present day-high teens is more likely the real sad state of affairs.
*Added just under $8T to the national debt, the highest total of any President (even more than GWB)
*only President not to see an annual GDP of 3% (he will be lucky to average a pathetic 1.55% GDP over his two terms (compare this to Reagan's average of 3.5%)
Then there are all those blunders in foreign policy to consider, the complete breakdown in respect for law and order and the greatest fomenting of racial strife since reconstruction.
Saying one would have to be a liberal to categorize such a performance as anything but an epic failure is the height of understatement.
No, in order to proudly label the Obama presidency as a success one would have to be brain-dead.
If so it should stop immediately. To paraphrase the words of the apocryphal soon-to-be-widow from New Hampshire, "They ain't worth it." (Especially Republicans.)
Your cold facts, to the extent that they are accurate and not, shall we say, shaded, do not take into account the disastrous state of affairs left by his predecessor, nor the deliberately obstructive tactics of the disloyal opposition.
You might say, for instance, 20 million people with health insurance who did not have it earlier.
Avoiding war with Iran (on behalf of Israel) with clever bit of diplomacy.
Adding 2 million jobs in the last year.
Recovering from the crash of '08, saving the auto industry.
Progressive social legislation passed.
Killing Osama and doggedly pursuing ISIS.
I think he will go down as a good, not great President -- as opposed to his immediate predecessor (and, dare I predict, succeeder) -- ranked with Harding, Johnson (Andrew) and Buchanan as the worst of the lot.
Uhhh, that's why everyone who is logical wants to undo everything he did. He had no business being POTUS. Talk about a severe lack of experience in about everything except being incompetent.
As far a business dealings abroad, how is that worse than what the world now knows as clintons dealings as Sec of State? What else was she willing to give up for us?
Trying to make silk purses out of sows ears.....no one in the US could be denied care at any hospital in the US (you might want to research the uninsured costs added to all those with insurance's bills for starters).
An honest look at the "affordability" of the ACA would reveal it to be anything but. Those 20 millions newly insured? Those benefits might have been manna from heaven or tickets to Shangri-La for all the practical utility they really provided. Start with excessively high deductibles that needed to be met before dollar one was paid out for claims. A better name for the ACA would have been "Government provided ticket to bankruptcy."
"Avoiding war with Iran (on behalf of Israel) with clever bit of diplomacy."
Actually it was delaying the advent of a fully nuclear capable Iran with no means to monitor once the treaty ends and an extremely unlikely potential to disarm them. Congratulations Fra, you gave the keys to nukes to a collection of religious fanatics and only hired a guard for 7 years. I guess we'll take it on good faith they won't try to nuke the "Great Satan" in year 8.......
"Adding 2 million jobs in the last year."
And by far all paying substantially less than the lost jobs they replaced. At least it's consistent; liberal policies generally produce backward motion if any motion is produced at all.
"Recovering from the crash of '08, saving the auto industry."
Well, the auto industry that didn't take federal dollars did just fine; GM on the other hand handed the taxpayers an unpaid bill in the millions. Gotta love those liberal success stories Fra......
"Progressive social legislation passed."
Now there's a contradiction in terms......only a liberal would equate allowing sexual deviants unfettered access to minors as a success.
"Killing Osama and doggedly pursuing ISIS."
Actually that was Seal Team 6 and your guys didn't do them any favors with their victory laps now did they? "Doggedly pursuing" ISIS? In what world Fra? Make that a dog of a pursuit, a litany of failures at the expense of innocent lives and you're a halfway recovered addict.
Obama will go down in history as a catastrophic failure; in case you missed it Fra the 2016 election was a stinging rebuke from the conscious population of the US who had front row seats to this 8-year train wreck.
Now, instead of another display of your ignorance why not find a nice hobby, puruse it in silence and watch the adults clean up the kids mess.
And who pays for that care? Why, the rest of us, in higher fees for insurance and medical care. (sounds like socialism.)
Mike, I do not want to get into a broader discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of the Obama administration.
But can I put you down as okay with $100 million to pay for six months of Melania's whim? (I'm discounting $50 mil to account for bias, inaccuracies, etc.)
Does this strike you as fiscally prudent? In a larger sense, does this strike you as the proper pose for a cloth coat Republican to assume? Shouldn't a billionaire pay for the extra costs his (or her) willfulness is incurring?
How did this coddled billionaire become the voice of the working man?
How does any [coddled] democrat (or any career politician for that matter) become the voice of the working man, current and future? Nearly all have never held down a real paying job.
"What challenge?"
How about the challenge you admit to the truth?
I realize the truth and liberalism are strangers, but you've claimed more than once here that the taxpayers will be out $1,000,000 because of "Melania's whims." (Your words, not mine). Yet you also agreed that much of the money you profess it will cost is NOT something Melania has a damned thing to do with. Providing security for Donald Trump's other kids, his grandchildren and his property have ZERO to do with what Melania wants or doesn't want. But being a good liberal, you ignore the actual hard FACTS.
Then you wonder why the Dems have lost hundreds and hundreds of legislative seats at the state and national level since Obama became president.
UFB!
He actually quadrupled it during his first term...and now since he's halved that number, he's claiming he has reduced it...
The deficit is what we have each year when they spend more money than they take in.
The debt is an accumulation of all those deficits.
Obama was not reduced the debt. He claims to have reduced the deficit which is meaningless since there is still a deficit and it will add to the debt.
Just an FYI...
"(In fact, if the transition is any sign, the Trump administration will be so incompetent that I predict the Republicans will impeach him.) "
In fact, incompetence is not a reason a president can be impeached. Impeachment is allowed only for High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
"You might say, for instance, 20 million people with health insurance who did not have it earlier."
Only the damndest fools, of which you seem to be one, still believe that whopper.
Twenty million is the number of people who bought health insurance, not the number of previously uninsured who bought it. The vast majority of the twenty million ALREADY HAD health insurance and were simply switching carriers. A great many were because of Obama's lie that "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
Your post reminded me of this jpeg I've saved for quite some time.
""Texas elector quits job instead of voting for Donald Trump. Art Sisneros doesn't believe the president-elect is "biblically qualified" to hold civil office. "
In which case, a replacement elector will be appointed who WILL vote for Trump.
