2. Jeb Bush will be the GOP nominee.
3. The 'EGOP' has the fix in and there's nothing we, the voters, can do about it.
Am I right, Spikie?
I never saw josh saying any of those things.
If you can post a link or two to where he did say those things, please do.
Otherwise, you owe him an apology.
Now he wants to bet limbs!!!
That is Bull Poppycock. I've been the one always saying the opposite, that voters still have the responsibility for who our politicians are because of their vote, not because of some grand conspiracy by the GOP Establishment. Why I always laughed at the people here who said the fix was in and that meant Jeb would be the GOP nominee. The GOP Establishment certainly does have a way of turning lemons into lemonade, though. Witness how many RNC heavies and career D.C. GOP Establishment people they've managed to get placed in Trump's Cabinet.
Give it a break with the defending the poor josh thing. The man has NEVER been correct on one prediction for almost 18 months. That is mathematically impossible but he achieved it. He knows absolutely nothing of the political structure and inner workings of our government other than the Constitution he often quotes. He is NOT a conservative and does not deserve that protection from anyone on this site. His fractured "conscious" would have had Hillary Clinton in the WH and my grandchildren and all others here behind the eight ball for the rest of their lives. Fuq him and the liberal a$$ horse he rode in on. I am sick of this "we are ALL Americans after all" BS and "we can agree to disagree". That is the stuff that we have been fed from this sorry a$$ governmnet who ruled our lives. This past election cycle was do or fuqn die, literally, for our families and this man chose "die" for everyone one of us and our families. There are times when forgive and forget is not a option. This is one of them. You go right ahead and sing his praises. I would like to buy him a drink and have the bartender piss in it for me. Fuq him again. BTW, did I say AGAIN? No? Well here you go...AGAIN.
The Rock
I never said that. Nor did I ever say Obama would cancel the election, which some here did say.
How soon the CF feeble narcissist forgets all of the 20116 trash talking and predictions how trump would never be the nominee.
Once Trump won we were gifted with the endless political clueless rants admonishing the Trump supporters for Hillary PREDICTING Trump did not have a chance against her or the poppycock predictions about the only way President Trump could win is if the Dem's wanted Hillary to win or how any of the other 15 Repub candidates would of beat Hillary except Trump.
Come on Coat-Tail rider, spew some more rubbish, fool of fools...
God Bless men
The Rock
VOTERS choose the nominees. Not the 'e-GOP' and even the e-DEM, but the VOTERS!
Period!
1. Hillary Clinton will be President.
"She will never be president. She's a horrible candidate and incredibly unlikeable."
2. Jeb Bush will be the GOP nominee.
"Jeb Bush will not be the nominee!"
3. The 'EGOP' has the fix in and there's nothing we, the voters, can do about it.
"Your evil 'E-GOP' has not even one vote. VOTERS pick the nominee, not some unnamed and unsupported 'e-GOP!"
;o)
But that's not Spike's point, nor of those here who agreed with yet another one of his never-ending conspiracy theories.
VOTERS choose the nominees. Not the 'e-GOP' and even the e-DEM, but the VOTERS!
Period!
That certainly was not the case when it came to the Democrats' nominee.
"We have met the enemy and he is us..."
Rather than focusing on the past, think it is time to look ahead. Rule 1 ;o)
Sorry, but The Witch From Hell WAS chosen by the DEM voters.
Which is why they got stomped!
Can't find the alledged post where I alledgedy said that, can you?
LOL!
Who knew?
Must be a conspiracy theory!
No, you are absolutely wrong. Ask Spike how many times I've gotten on to him for his "woe are we" conspiracies about how the GOP Establishment has everything "rigged" and we voters really don't matter. I don't know what you think you remember, but it's wrong. Period.
God Bless men
Really? Show me a list. I'll be waiting.
I didn't tee anything up, just asked for some example of where I held a lot of positions previously that I deny now. WV Mountaineer just called me a liar. I am not a liar.
Doesn't bother me a bit you think I've been wrong. I think you've been wrong about some things.
I'd rather be known as someone who doesn't change convictions with the direction of the political winds.
The Rock
The polls were not predictions of the Electoral Vote, they were predictions of the popular vote. The National polls were largely quite accurate. The final RCP National poll average put Hillary at +3.2% of the National vote percentage. Her final popular vote margin % over Trump was +2.09%, which was off by just over 1%. The National RCP poll average in 2012 between Romney/Obama was off by over 3% compared to the final % of the actual results.
If that was the case. Hillary would have won.
You did forget one prediction: Trump would drain the swamp.
Bunch of suckers - he was never going to and put all his big dollar buddies in his cabinet who will do nothing but take care of themselves. The poor guys who thought he was going to help them got taken like a Trump contractor thinking he's getting paid.
I never wanted Hillary but was amazed by those who thought Trump was going to change if he was elected POTUS. Look at his constant Twitter outbursts - the man is a bitter, self-absorbed narcissist who's going to be nothing but late night fodder.
Good news is GOP has House/Senate and they will keep him in-check or minimize his importance while getting real work done (Basically Pence/Ryan will be running things).
I disagree. Hillary would have won if the polls were correct.
"You did forget one prediction: Trump would drain the swamp."
That's yet to be seen. Trump is not in office till 1-20-2017.
Which part do you dispute?
1) That the National polls aren't meant to reflect the % of the Electoral vote (if they were, then Obama beat Romney by 23% Nationally in 2012)
2) That Hillary beat Trump in the Popular vote %
I didn't say Trump didn't win the election. He won the Electoral College vote, and thank goodness we have that every 4 years, though he was badmouthing it like crazy in 2012 on election night when he thought it looked like Romney might win the popular vote but lose the Electoral Vote.
I did realize that, and I thank you for that. I just wanted to point out that thinking someone is wrong or misguided on some issues is not the same as accusing someone of holding one position, then changing that position later and denying you held it in the first place, as Mountaineer accused me of doing not just on a few issues, but "a lot", I believe he said.
History of the office?!?! You just cannot stop lying, can you? You cannot even objectively prove that Trump's Cabinet is as good as George W.'s or Reagan's, much less every single President in history! Stop the Hyperbole Train and get off. Please. You've transitioned from being a clown to a whole car-full of clowns.
I'm not disputing anything. The polls were wrong. Period.
A handful of final state polling averages called it for the wrong winner. Most did not. The final National polling averages, which measure % of the vote, NOT Electoral College vote, were almost spot-on to the final National % of the vote margin. You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts.
Well, it's nice to see you do comprehend some things. So, let me be blunt by stating the real point. I've watched you insult, insinuate, be a horse's rear end because Cruz didn't win the nomination, be egotistical, paranoid, do everything you can to make yourself the victim, and trade the future of America for your own pride and vanity. And, deny every single bit of it at one time or the other. That equals a lot. Not a few. It is WHAT you do.
For just one quick example, look at KPC's posts for verification. He said something everyone but you understood. When he had to clarify that for you, you then insisted your response was to something I had said instead while completely understanding his comment. That goes back to you being one fascinating person. The way you process things, take on the responsibility of your decisions, and interact with other people. It is just fascinating. I'm not being mean either. Just stating the truth.
God Bless men
"He said something everyone but you understood. When he had to clarify that for you, you then insisted your response was to something I had said instead while completely understanding his comment."
I understood perfectly what he said from the moment I read it. My response to what you said was because his post was partially in response to what you said. Stop being so dense and trying to play "Gotcha" in any way possible. You're making a fool of yourself. You haven't learned a darn thing about me all these many months.
You accuse me of insulting and insinuating while you do just exactly that in practically every post addressed to me. You accuse me of trading the future of America for my own pride and vanity while condemning me for having Constitutional and moral principles and standing by them while you sold yours down the river. You are one sick, twisted, and hypocritical puppy. You're also a first class coward for accusing a man of being a liar and then declining to cite even one example proving your accusation.
I give what I get. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. That's fair, don't you think?
God Bless men
I give what I get. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. That's fair, don't you think?"
Fair to call someone a Liar without even a lame attempt to back it up with proof? No, that's not fair, that is bald Cowardice on your part.
If that's the way you want to play it, fine by me. I have barely even started on you yet, but I won't need to lie about you to try and get an advantage. People on this forum have been attacking my political views and principles for 20 years. I'm long since used to it. I've been pretty nice to you up to this point. If you want to go off wantonly calling me a liar without even an attempt to back up your accusation, you are a Coward and you actually are a Liar. If you really want to have a war of words, I can oblige you. You haven't "gotten" much from me yet. Believe me, I have been quite restrained in some of what I thought about saying to you over the last few weeks, but haven't. Yet. You're just angry that I don't agree with and validate the choices you've made in this election campaign, so you're throwing as much mud as possible against the wall in the hopes that something will stick. When you have to resort to lying about someone to try and tarnish them, though, you're doing a lot more damage to yourself than them.
I'm also not at all angry that you don't agree with me. I've never stated my way was the only way. So, there is no need for me to feel that way.
To clarify to you, since reading comprehension is definitely not your strong point. I'm growing irritated with your behavior, your willingness to trade the very idea and foundation of America under the future of Clinton versus a possibility of a less than perfect candidate in Trump, your ego, and your inability to comprehend anything that is written. That's it. Not the fact we don't agree.
I truly don't know how to make that more clear to you. I expect you will continue to do as you do though. So, I'm not holding my breath for a different result this time around either.
Whatever you do, please, please, spare me the full force of your wrath. Because if you are bucking this early into retribution, my response to an all out assault by you might be more than you can handle.
God Bless men
This is the response to a man who ends each of his posts with a God Bless Men. You can do better than this Josh.
You have been restrained? A hollowed threat to further engage your successful ambition of adhering to the mantra of the "fool of fools"?
Your sword is broken and your horse is dead. Preparations have long since begun.
The Rock
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It was I, that made the worst prediction.
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I predicted that if Hilary lost, that everyone on the Community Forum would immediately play nice, be lifelong friends, and that there would never ever be anymore arguments or name calling.
I win. Case closed.
A good and honorable olive branch. I however can not allow a traitor to go quietly into the night. When I sit and ponder on the loves of my life to live under the thumb of a destructive figure to this nation and the agony that my family would have faced, my white grandchildren facing the brunt of the hatred of their skin color was not a option at any costs. Hatred from their own country where in-their ancestors shed blood for this nation only to be dismissed as the problem by those who had neither hand nor blood sacrificed for it and its greatness which was achieved."Was" achieved and now exploited.
That was the stake for myself personally in this election cycle. Others can pen the pain and sorrow or happiness whichever way they please. These children's welfare is my daily one and only concern of what life is left in this body and I will use very ounce God would afford me to muster and to protect them.
Yes. This was that serious.
Did I win money, or a free retirement consult from NvaGvUp ? :^D
Good job swatting the CF fly. Guess all the trash cans are covered and the fly got in the house.
No trophy needed. It was fun.
Joshauf's involvement here on the CF is no less handcuffed in his post, threads or interaction as far as I concerned for I do not, nor does anyone, have that power to suppress, rules abide. I do however now possess the distinct advantage of knowing for certain who I am addressing when politics is on the menu.
The Rock
Masterdebater, what you fail to comprehend is you're to ignorant to realize your posts are garbage.
Mike in CT's Link
Angst over the potential of the worst POTUS in history (yes, I think Hillary Clinton would have been worse than Obama) being elected is perfectly understandable; pointing out any perceived hypocrisy(ies) is understandable. Offering the opinion that it was ego-driven and not value-driven is again, perfectly understandable.
The kind of charges being leveled now are not and the continued insistence on these hyperbolic issuances are the CF equivalent of Fonzie jumping the shark.
Enough already.
Or its strict definition in the much revered, (but little read), Constitution.
Take your own advice and pursue the defintion(s) of "Traitor" & "Treason". You may soon have another word in your literary background to file and use at your own discretion within its loosely held confines. In proper context they are not directed always as one and the same
Vaguest clue......you about to discover one.
The Rock
The Rock
One might consider that it's a hard burden to meet, rather than this cavalier definition of treason here on the Bowsite. There's a lot of legal illiteracy apparent here, not only by flaming liberals, but by the Trump loyalists.
Gee, I wonder where anyone might have gotten that idea......
"Rock is right, josh is a traitor to conservatism, a traitor to the Constitution, and a traitor to his own supposed and acclaimed "convictions". As anyone who calls themselves Republican or conservative would be if they supported a candidate such as Hilda or OBOZO or anyone like them. That is fact.
Now it is my opinion as a true conservative that josh is also a traitor to this Republic, to this country as a whole."
You are of course free to continue with your assumptions that the reason people cited the ludicrous claim of treason against the US (or the Constitution) was because they mistakenly thought that was your "primary focus" and not that they recognized an obvious hyperbolic (and erroneous) declaration that was very clearly spelled out as relating to the Constitution and the country; not assumption but fact as borne out by your own testimony.
Again for the tone deaf; enough already.
I swear you can't make this sh!t up. Trying to claim the moral high ground, calling folks cowards, traitors and what not, all the while hiding behind a veil of anonymity. True internet bad ass.
Again for those who indulge cavalierly in matters of high importance and can hear all too well: "Too much appears not to be enough, not for some". I believe you know exactly my inference in regards to Joshauf, his preference and direction through either naivete and or the knowledge required of the dire situation we faced as a nation. Joshaufs concerted effort through his own behest was to encourage others to slay Donald Trump paving the way, hopefully, for a Clinton victory . Who else be the benefactor of his vicious attacks? Bernie Sanders? Strangely you feel compelled to tamp the embers of the discontent that some may have exhibited to that end and are eager to allow the rise of such troubling type in the future. Joshauf's action in words were a clear and present danger to every conservative and a heartening victory to preface and refer for our lifelong enemies, liberal/socialists, the antithesis of all things conservative.
josahuf as a standalone voice and confidant in politics is served best in a sealed barrel. Otherwise in this age of expediency, words are as infectious as the virus that consumes them.
I am now kicking a dead horse. Enough for me.
The Rock
Joshua may be proven wrong, or right. Right now, all we have are opinions as to what will happen with a Trump presidency and his cabinet. Does it look like a pretty good bunch? Yes. Do we know what they will do with the tough decisions? No. They haven't had any decisions to make yet. Do we know what kind of president Trump will be? No. Will he be better than Hillary would have been? Yes, of course. Do we know who Trump will nominate for the Supreme Court? Well, we have a good list, but no nominee at this point. Many on the list may not wish to move to be nominated, and there's no guarantee he will nominate any of them. Further, need I remind anyone that prior republican appointees may not turn out as you like? See Roberts, John, or Kennedy, Anthony, or Souter, David, for three recent examples.
There is so much blind faith substituting as truth here as to be 2008 all over again. Take a deep breath, guys, and quit taking leaps of faith on every issue.
The Rock
I do believe, finally, you will be left to your own devices by the few remaining confused comrades who previously attempted to defend your position. This most recent post of rambling foolishness on your part hopefully will suffice for them to run for cover. Should they persist the virus has indeed spread.
The Rock
"I swear you can't make this sh!t up. Trying to claim the moral high ground, calling folks cowards, traitors and what not, all the while hiding behind a veil of anonymity. True internet bad ass. "
You have to love irony; the lack of comportment is exceeded only by the lack of integrity.
Choosing to hide behind secondary definitions is laughable; it would have been just as easy to state "betray" but the obvious implications would not have been as serious and certainly not as jaw-dropping. The intent was clear and the intransigent nature, not to mention the overall lack of maturity of the poster precludes any possibility of his owning up to the hyperbole and moving on; well, at least that's what men do.
Never mind that the issue of betrayal is s completely subjective; as with many things it is a matter of perspective. While I disagree with Josh in not voting for the lesser of two evils I do respect his consistent adherence to his principles. The charges leveled against him by the subject poster are merely an ongoing effort to confer a greater importance than is warranted; to both his point of view and himself and to express the frustration of the bully who has encountered someone (Josh) who refuses to be bullied.
I consider his ramblings in the context of his character and find him to be an object of pity and little more.
josh only focuses is on anything negative about Trump. It is a rare rare day when one sees a post on any thread NOT linked to Trump. I saw one the other day and was SHOCKED--SHOCKED I tell you!
He is constantly dismissive of all who do not kowtow to his TDS obsession. Ironically, while casting dispersion upon any source that contradicts his views, he has shown a propensity of late to use Twitter to promote his obsession or dismiss any dissenting or contradictory view... (I think most of us can see the irony there.)
Another obvious observation: josh never comments about content or ideas contained in posts dealing with Trump. Instead, he either attacks sources, calls names or cites references that have usually been compromised. If you go over the multitude of Trump threads where josh has made his presence, it is rare where one can find where a rational discussion is participated by him. It is always an attack on Trump, the source or the person posting.
To be totally fair, I do have a positive comment about josh. Since the election of Trump, he has not badgered me about who I voted for in the primary. ;o)
Goodness, the irony present in this thread is enough to choke on.
"Ironically, while casting dispersion upon any source that contradicts his views"
Ironically, it is not surprising that you have never picked up on the fact that most of my arguments with people over Trump aren't because their view on him disagrees with my own. It is because their view on him disagrees with the principles and values that they themselves claim to hold, and have claimed to over a long period of time. That's why I have freely used the word Hypocrite to describe many of you. You're not a Hypocrite for disagreeing with my views. You're a Hypocrite for disagreeing with YOUR stated views. When it suits your partisan purposes. And that is Hypocrisy.
"josh never comments about content or ideas contained in posts dealing with Trump."
You are either mentally ill or a liar. Possibly both.
I think that describes Josh's obsession to a tee.
People are trying to be optimistic. You aren't teaching them anything with the blatant hypocrisy you exhibit while ranting around like a ding bat. Using unverified info as facts. Using twitter as point of reference while claiming facts. And, being so negative.
No one here expects Trump to be perfect but you. That's where the problem is arising.
You preach hypocrisy to others yet, fail to recognize that by claiming to be a Constitutional conservative and, in turn voting a way that only helped an outspoken opponent potentially win, is the biggest example of it presented here.
You aren't above anyone. You have to be held to the same standards that you seem to insinuate that doesn't apply to you.
God Bless men
BTW: I used the search function on the Community Forum. In the last month, I found josh posting on only one non-Trump thread. Granted, it wasn't a thorough and complex search, but compared to other regular users seen daily using the same parameters, it was telling.
Another vaguely veiled cohort and author of the "lesser of two evils" . Untie the birds nest that has been bandied here since the primaries that became rumored as "fact", giddily accepted by those whose clear eyed thinking was blinded by their gross miscalculations. There was in fact one and only one evil that struck fear into the hearts of every conservative and American and that was Hillary Clinton. A destructive, dishonest known entity who held and used public office and ravaged the security and lives of her own nation and people for personal financial enhancements, versus the alleged disparaging actions of a jet set private citizen billionaire living out to the fullest a life that one could only dream. That "deplorable" private human being who has since ascended and has raised on more than one occasion a furrowed forehead and hairy eyeball in astonishment of all in his party who initially opposed him.
Lesser of two evils? You are correct ..... Laughable.
"I do respect his consistent adherence to his principles". As many others who held the same for those of the likes of destroyers such as Alexander, Napoleon, Stalin and Hitler. Again as I said to tonyo in his attempt to lower the temperature: The egg is hard boiled: Nothing left now but to peel it.
The Rock
America is still the land of the free and home of the brave.
Josh has such a grandiose opinion of himself and his misguided efforts. Wow!
Idea: Pursue an education.
The Rock
I believe you have made an excellent self-diagnosis that you are in the 3rd group. Congratulations.
By the way, I think the more accepted spelling is "Dingbat", all one word.
Lol.
I phones don't recognize the correct spelling of dingbat.
I phones don't recognize the correct spelling of dingbat.
