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NvaGvUp 20-Feb-17
tonyo6302 21-Feb-17
Owl 21-Feb-17
Two Feathers 21-Feb-17
Anony Mouse 24-Feb-17
NvaGvUp 24-Feb-17
keepemsharp 28-Feb-17
Shuteye 28-Feb-17
SB 28-Feb-17
Coyote 65 01-Mar-17
Shuteye 01-Mar-17
From: NvaGvUp
20-Feb-17

From: tonyo6302
21-Feb-17
This is worth reviewing several times a year.

Thanks.

From: Owl
21-Feb-17
Smart fellers, they were.

From: Two Feathers
21-Feb-17
Good video!

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century because of gun control: 56 million.

Another 56 million defenseless people exterminated at the abortuary since 1973, and that's just the United States, not world wide.

From: Anony Mouse
24-Feb-17
Tangential update:

Proposed Executive Order Designating Certain Rifles for ‘Militia Purposes’

The faulty Fourth District decision issued last week upholding Maryland’s Scary Gun Ban runs afoul of good jurisprudence. The ruling found that Second Amendment protections don’t extend to individuals who wish to own certain semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15, calling them, “weapons that are most useful in military service.” However, a document sent to me yesterday offers hope of correcting that in the form of a proposed executive order to be issued by President Trump.

Virginia attorney Lenden Eakin sent me the text of the proposed order and gave permission to share it. I’d like run it past the Armed Intelligentsia here at TTAG to get your take.

The simple mechanism of attorney Eakin’s proposal: by defining certain categories of rifles for militia use, the President could strike state and local bans on many of the most popular “assault rifles” and their magazines.

Mr. Eakin also notes: “An Executive Order like this could have a significant impact on the litigation to challenge Assault Weapons Bans currently making its way through the Courts. It would help the challengers.”

UPDATE: I neglected to note in the original story how this is meant to serve as a stop-gap measure. Ideally, only until a more permanent remedy could be achieved. Or alternatively, until the Supreme Court, with one or more President Trump appointees, could reverse that Fourth Circuit ruling and strike scary gun bans on the whole.

EXECUTIVE ORDER

– – – – – – –

DESIGNATION OF MILITIA RIFLES

By the authority vested in me as President and Commander in Chief of the Militia by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to ensure the ability of citizens of the United States to defend themselves, their communities and their States, as well as to ensure the safety and security of our Nation, I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Purpose. Both individual and community safety are critically important to the national security of the United States. Terrorism, transnational criminal activity and potential acts of war by foreign nations present a significant threat to national security and our citizens, who have the right and the duty to defend themselves, their communities, their States and the Nation.

Section 2. Policy. It is the policy of the executive branch to:

(a) Support and defend the Constitution, including the Second Amendment right of citizens to keep and bear arms for Militia purposes,as well asself-defense.

(b) Encourage citizens to be prepared to act as members of the Militia to defend communities, States and the Nation, as part of the common defense contemplated by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) Discourage restrictions by States and political subdivisionson individual possession of firearms suitable for Militia purposes by citizens of the United States.

Section 3. Definitions.

(a) “Militia” has the meaning given the term in Title 10, Section 311 of the United States Code to include the Unorganized Militia, as well as the meaning given to the term “Militia” under equivalent State statutes.

(b) “Self-Defense” shall mean the actions of citizens to defend themselves and their families from physical attack.

(c) “Communities” shall mean neighborhoods, towns, cities, counties and other political subdivisions of citizens who live in distinct geographic areas within a State.

(d) “State” shall mean one of the fifty States of the United States.

(e) “Militia Purposes” shall mean training, practice and preparedness which could improve the ability of a citizen to act,and to be armed in case of a need to act, as a current or future member of a local, State or National organization commanded by government officials and responsive to a physical threat. Appropriate organizations include those commanded by an elected county or city Sheriff; those commanded by the Governor of a State through officers of that State’s Defense Force as authorized by Title 30, Section 109 of the United States Code, or through officers of that State’s National Guard;and organizations commanded by the President through officers of the Active or Reserve components of U.S. Armed Forces.

(f) “Militia Rifles” shall mean the firearms designated in Section 4 that are made in America and suitable for use in self-defense, community defense, defense of States and defense of the Nation.

Section 4. Designation of Militia Rifles. That the following firearms and accessories are authorized and appropriate for individual citizens to keep and bear for Militia purposes under the Constitution and the laws of the United States:

(a) The AR-15 and similar semi-automatic rifles, to include flash suppressors and bayonet lugs, magazines of up to thirty round capacities, M-7 bayonets, and ammunition in 5.56 NATO or .223 Remington, in all quantities.

(b) The M1A and similar semi-automatic rifles, to include flash suppressors and bayonet lugs,magazines of up to twenty round capacities, M-6 bayonets, and ammunition in 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester, in all quantities.

(c) The M1 Garand and similar semi-automatic rifles, to include flash suppressors and bayonet lugs, M-5 bayonets, and ammunition in.30-’06 Springfield, in all quantities.

(d) Bolt action rifles in the calibers of .30-’06 Springfield; 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester; 5.56 NATO or .223 Remington; or any substantially equivalent caliber, and ammunition appropriate for the rifles, in any quantity.

(This list could easily be expanded.)

Section 5. Pre-emption. This Executive Order is intended to pre-empt the laws of States or political subdivisions that infringe upon the rights of citizens to keep and bear the arms designated in Section 4.

Section 6. Judicial Notice. That the judges of all State and Federal Courts are hereby given notice that possession of the designated Militia Rifles and accessories by citizens should not be restricted or infringed upon by State laws or the laws of a political subdivision of a State and any such law should be reviewed under the strict scrutiny standard to determine whether it is a violation of the Constitution of the United States after judicial consideration of this Order and the fact that it was issued by the Commander in Chief of the Militia.

Donald J. Trump

THE WHITE HOUSE

March __, 2017

PROPOSED EXECUTIVE ORDER DESIGNATES MILITIA RIFLES FOR CITIZEN OWNERSHIP

From: NvaGvUp
24-Feb-17
Furthermore, the 4th Circuit is dead wrong by agreeing that AR's owned by private citizens are no different than those 'most useful in military service'.

Civilian AR's are semi-automatic rifles. Those used by the military are fully automatic. As such, no military would ever think of using the civilian AR.

From: keepemsharp
28-Feb-17
4th circuit said any firearm that could have a war use. Vietnam had lots of 870 Remingtons and 700 Remingtons.

From: Shuteye
28-Feb-17
As such, no military would ever think of using the civilian AR."

During Viet Nam the NRA sent people to an Army base to see what was happening with The AR's. They found that most of the soldiers firing fully automatic couldn't hit squat. They worked with some shooters and found their scores , "kills", went way up when they used semi auto.

That is why bolt action and semi autos in WW II killed way more enemy per shot than Viet Nam. The fully auto Thompson 45 was used to make the soldiers feel safer. The soldiers felt more confident with a machine gun when in fact it was a hinderance.

My cousin had a Thompson .45 and it sure took some getting used to.

If you listen to the survivors from Benghazi you will hear them say they used single shots to kill over 60 bad guys. Aim, shoot a single bullet, dead terrorist. BTW, he was making a lot of head shots. "

From: SB
28-Feb-17
That purposed exec order nearly mirrors what is already stated in the 2nd amendment...which is that citizens are entitled to the same firepower as the military. The founding fathers were quite aware of changes in firearms coming down the pike. In fact muti projectile rapid fire firearms were already being tested in the late 1700's.

From: Coyote 65
01-Mar-17
I received training on ar-15 back in 1965, the Air Force was using it as a survival rifle and it was semi auto.

Thought it was cool, but nowhere as cool as the Garand that I shot in Basic.

Terry

From: Shuteye
01-Mar-17

Shuteye's embedded Photo
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Anyone that wants to outlaw this is nuts. But then she is a Trump supporter so the libs hate that.

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