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HA/KS 23-Apr-17
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HA/KS 24-Apr-17
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Dave G. 24-Apr-17
HA/KS 24-Apr-17
tonyo6302 24-Apr-17
BowSniper 24-Apr-17
Solo 24-Apr-17
HA/KS 24-Apr-17
Coyote 65 25-Apr-17
Dave G. 25-Apr-17
HA/KS 25-Apr-17
Squash 25-Apr-17
Shuteye 26-Apr-17
Salagi 27-Apr-17
From: HA/KS
23-Apr-17

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USS Constitution, Built in 1797, The Only Active Ship In The US Navy That Has Sunk An Enemy Ship

From: Solo
23-Apr-17
I was told that the builders of that ship only used certain specimens of mature live oaks from the deep south in building the framework. Live oaks, sometimes called spreading oaks, bear that unique desired wide "U" shape, providing an extremely hardened one-piece cut that is naturally formed during its hundreds of years of growth. And the only ones to qualify for the job were extremely rare....

Cannonballs would bounce right off of that puppy without impacting the structural integrity due to those live oaks of old......

Thanks for posting this, HA.....

From: HA/KS
23-Apr-17
I got to wondering when was the last time a US Navy ship sunk a ship.

From: Woods Walker
23-Apr-17
Do aircraft carriers count if one of their planes sinks a ship?

From: Woods Walker
23-Apr-17
YES! The Simpson! I forgot about that one!

From: HA/KS
24-Apr-17
Mostly this is a statement about how naval warfare has changed - and the fact that we have not been in this kind of war since WWII.

From: Woods Walker
24-Apr-17
You're right Henry. Those were my thoughts as well as I pondered the question.

From: Dave G.
24-Apr-17
"Mostly this is a statement about how naval warfare has changed - and the fact that we have not been in this kind of war since WWII."

I believe it's more a statement about who we (the U.S.) have been fighting since WW II rather than how naval warfare has changed.

From: HA/KS
24-Apr-17
Dave, I doubt we ever again see ships actually shooting at each other.

From: tonyo6302
24-Apr-17
All the Veteran Submariners I know call Aircraft Carriers Big White Elephants.

The U.S. Navy keeps forgetting how German Submarines kicked our ass in two world wars.

We have no active Battle Ships or Battle Cruisers to take missile or torpedo hits for our Carriers.

Lessons lost in Naval Warfare.

From: BowSniper
24-Apr-17
Do you think there is anything to this claim by Russia that their jamming can take out our ships and avionics? There was that story about the Donald Cook having its AEGIS system taken down by a single Russian plane in the Black Sea. And not long ago every carrier in the fleet was back in port at the same time... retrofitting??

From: Solo
24-Apr-17

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Great point, Tony. I was wondering how much damage a torpedo might do, so I looked up our current carrier hull armor using the USS Carl Vinson, a Nimitz class carrier, as an example.

All it said was 2.5" of Kevlar over vital spaces. I couldn't find any specs on the hull or deck steel thickness. I'd imagine they're far more resilient than the old Japanese 16" thick Yamato battleship hull was. At least I hope they didn't overly sacrifice protection to achieve their 35mph top speed.

Our president better not be counting on the old "how dare you" crap if the pride of our Navy are ever taken down. I believe our last several presidents bore that foolish, ignorant mindset.

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Bowsniper, that's another major point with an answer that can't be found online.... ;^) ... But it's a great topic to consider.

From: HA/KS
24-Apr-17

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The Navy has done a lot in the intervening years.

"By this time the Japanese had taken up positions on all three sides of the bay, and were able to coordinate a devastating barrage of fire on the retreating men. Seeing this, Munro positioned his own craft between the enemy and the landing crafts to provide support by fire."

From: Coyote 65
25-Apr-17
North Korea has threatened to sink the USS Vinson, a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. Information about these modern carriers shows that are immensely difficult to attack successfully.

The Vinson was launched in 1980 and has been upgraded several times since then. The United States has 10 Nimitz-class carriers. Each is 1,092 feet long and displaces over 100,000 tons of water. The carriers are fast, and can reach a top speed of 30 knots. They have crews of over 5,000 and can hold 90 planes.

According to The National Interest, there are several reasons carriers are very hard to attack, and harder to sink. First, their speed allows them to outrun many other ships, particularly submarines. They have “hundreds of watertight compartments and thousands of tons of armor, no conventional torpedo or mine is likely to cause serious damage.” The carriers also have high-tech sensors that can pick up missiles at great distances. To counter missiles they have “radar-guided missiles and 20 mm Gatling guns that shoot 50 rounds per second.” Among the most important points The National Interest makes is that carriers are part of large groups of ships, Some of these carry Aegis combat systems, which are highly sophisticated naval defense systems. These groups also include their own submarines and a number of submarine detection methods and deterrents. The Navy also operates carriers in such a way as to keep them far from potential threats. The National Interest points out that includes staying away from areas that might be mined. Finally, each time a carrier is overhauled, many of its systems are upgraded. This allows carriers built decades ago to be fitted with current technology. And the Navy also has upgraded the systems on other ships that protect carriers. The most important advance of recent years has been the netting together of all naval assets in an area so that sensors and weapons can be used to maximum effect. Initiatives like the Naval Integrated Fire Control – Counter Air program link together every available combat system in a seamless, fast-reacting defensive screen that few adversaries can penetrate. The North Korean threat against the Vinson makes good headlines, but that is about it.

Lost the link to this article, sorry,

Terry

From: Dave G.
25-Apr-17
"Dave, I doubt we ever again see ships actually shooting at each other."

Well Henry, that opinion certainly runs counter to the CNO's. Two examples that lead one to believe that the Navy thinks just the opposite are the modification of the LCSs to give them Frigate weapons capability, to include over the horizon surface to surface missile systems and the improvements to the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers with new Air and Missile Defense Radar.

Granted, the U.S. won't be "shelling" enemy vessels as we did during WWII, but instead with the missile and radar capabilities that we now possess, we'll be defeating enemy surface combat vessels with surgical precision using some very, very advanced surface to surface missiles as well as conventional tomahawk capabilities.

From: HA/KS
25-Apr-17
"U.S. won't be "shelling" enemy vessels as we did during WWII" That is what I meant. Obviously ships will continue to be prepared to attack other ships.

From: Squash
25-Apr-17
The last time in history battleship fired on battleship was during WWII in the South Pacific at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. My father was there.

From: Shuteye
26-Apr-17
I went to a funeral last year where the Navy honored my uncle for his service in WW II. I went to another funeral last Saturday where the Navy honored another uncle for service in WW II. I am going to a funeral this coming Saturday and the Navy will honor a third uncle for his service in WW II. When they play Taps and fold the flag it brings tears to my eyes, every time. The one they honored last week was on a ship that was bombed by the Japanese and sunk. 55 were killed and 18 wounded. My uncle was one of the wounded. He was rescued by the Brits and hospitalized. Went right back into action when he got out of the hospital. That was the second ship he was on that was sunk by the Japanese.

27-Apr-17
Not many WWII vets left. Heck my Dad was in Korea and he is 90.

I recently met one of the original WWII UDT Frogmen....Harry Lockhead. What an honor. The original naked warrior.

From: Salagi
27-Apr-17
"Not many WWII vets left. Heck my Dad was in Korea and he is 90."

All too true. My Dad is also 90 and was on the way over to Japan when they surrendered. He was part of the Army of Occupation then.

Seems like it wasn't that long ago that there were a lot of WWI vets around.

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