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NvaGvUp 21-May-17
NvaGvUp 21-May-17
Woods Walker 21-May-17
Bentstick81 21-May-17
Sixby 21-May-17
Tiger eye 21-May-17
Fulldraw1972 21-May-17
Resist 21-May-17
NvaGvUp 21-May-17
HDE 21-May-17
Chief 419 21-May-17
'Ike' (Phone) 21-May-17
DL 21-May-17
Woods Walker 21-May-17
Anony Mouse 22-May-17
NvaGvUp 23-May-17
Anony Mouse 23-May-17
From: NvaGvUp
21-May-17
Trump mentioned terrorism 31 times in his speech in Riyadh.

When Obama went to Cairo, he used the word 'terrorism' not ONCE!

Thank you, Mr. President! It's about time we had a POTUS with the guts and the smarts to tell it as it is!

From: NvaGvUp
21-May-17
Piss off the terrorists?

Are you effing kidding us?

OMG!

ISIS are the terrorists who behead people, throw gays off rooftops, shove Christians into cages, then use cranes to dump the cages in the ocean to drown them.

Yet your concern is that harsh words, WORDS, might get them 'pissed off' because Trump called them terrorists?

REALLY????

I'll tell you what. You go over there and ask them to ,"Pretty please stop doing those things."

But first, make sure your will is current, your life insurance is paid up and your family is just fine with your impending demise.

Go away, azzhole!

From: Woods Walker
21-May-17
Ooooo....then that means they won't LIKE us? OMG!!! We don't want to get the Muslim Manics mad at us. They might fly planes into our buildings and kill 3000 people.

It should be more like THEY should be afraid to piss US off!

Oderint dum metuant.........."let them hate, so long as they fear"......Lucius Accius 170-86BC.

From: Bentstick81
21-May-17
FREEloader."Why instigate?" Just like you, and your dipsh!t Dem backers, at every Republican event? Like the Dems and Media are doing to Trump? What a moron. 8^)

From: Sixby
21-May-17
Freeglee:Question for you Brainiacs, why cant our Service men and women carry bibles??!! Its a Death Sentence over there Are you really that stupid? Who in the world do you think you pointed your finger at?

God bless, Steve

From: Tiger eye
21-May-17
Imagine how pissed off they were when we dropped the MOAB?

Freegle's how can one be that ignorant? Put the crack pipe down for awhile, there is a whole world out here you haven't experienced. NAIVETE!!!

From: Fulldraw1972
21-May-17
If your the bad ass on the block you don't care if you piss off some piss ant. Just sayin

From: Resist
21-May-17
Was that before or after he called Islam "one of the worlds great faiths"? Or did you miss that comment?

From: NvaGvUp
21-May-17
Two! Two jerks in the same thread!

They both post within seconds of each other, then the second jerk calls 'crickets' because no one responded in the next 60 seconds.

These clowns need interventions.

Both of them.

Who knew?

From: HDE
21-May-17
Coward - a bible will piss them off more...

From: Chief 419
21-May-17
Freebase is an anti. Ignore this troll and eventually he'll go away.

21-May-17
Bush's fault, everyone knows that! ;-)

From: DL
21-May-17
Of course Islam is one of the worlds great faiths. It's all in how you define " Great". Great as in number yes! Great as in good no. Pretty simple.

From: Woods Walker
21-May-17
Great? You bet!

For murder, oppression, barbarity, rape, slavery, sexual mutilation, and intolerance.

From: Anony Mouse
22-May-17
7 Moments from Trump’s Speech in Saudi Arabia

President Trump’s brazen speech in Saudi Arabia is being praised from (almost) all quarters. Its powerful moments will be remembered for years and will reverberate throughout the Middle East. But no speech is perfect.

Here are seven moments from the speech, starting with what may be the closest President Trump may come to having his “Tear Down This Wall” moment:

1. It is a choice between two futures – and it is a choice America CANNOT make for you.

A better future is only possible if your nations drive out the terrorists and extremists. Drive. Them. Out. DRIVE THEM OUT of your places of worship.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your communities.

DRIVE THEM OUT of your holy land, and

DRIVE THEM OUT OF THIS EARTH.

This is strongest statement towards the Muslim world uttered by an American president since 9/11 and perhaps in history. These words—and the Trumpian delivery of them—will be remembered for years to come. While eloquent words favored by speechwriters and high-brow elites are usually forgotten, these won’t be.There are also two clear sub-messages: One, that the Muslim world is not adequately “driving them out,” meaning, the Islamists still thrive in mosques, holy lands (which would include Saudi Arabia) and Muslim communities. The enemy are not fringe, undetectable loners. Secondly, don’t outsource your responsibility for this to America.

We won’t let you scapegoat us and have us respond by apologizing for the grievances you use to excuse yourself from responsibility. This is your problem: Own it.

2. Religious leaders must make this absolutely clear: Barbarism will deliver you no glory – piety to evil will bring you no dignity. If you choose the path of terror, your life will be empty, your life will be brief, and YOUR SOUL WILL BE CONDEMNED.

This is another strike in the ideological war where the Trumpian way of speaking is powerful, especially when you consider how accustomed the Middle East is to the softer diplomatic tone of the West in contrast to the fiery hyperbole that is common place in that part of the world.Trump recognized something crucial: The enemy believes it is pious and is impacted by religious teaching from authoritative figures. It’s not about anger over foreign policy or joblessness or lack of education. It’s about piety and a belief that dying in jihad is a guaranteed ticket to Paradise.

3. That means honestly confronting the crisis of Islamist extremism and the Islamist terror groups it inspires. And it means standing together against the murder of innocent Muslims, the oppression of women, the persecution of Jews and the slaughter of Christians. Most of the speech used vague, relative terms like “terrorism” and “extremism.” The focus was almost entirely on ISIS and Iran. But then came this paragraph. President Trump identified the enemy not just as Islamist terrorist groups, but the Islamist extremism foundation necessary for those groups to manifest.Of special note is the line about “persecution of Jews.” This was not stated with some moral equivalence about how Israel shares blame for stifling the nationalist aspirations of Palestinians. No, Trump identified anti-Semitism as a central problem outside of the context of Israel. That omission is powerful.

The identification of the enemy as Islamist extremism is refreshing, but as Dr. Daniel Pipes points out, “one statement does not a policy make.” Even Obama uttered the word “jihadist” on a few rare occasions.

The framing of the enemy as Islamism should have been the focal point of the speech, rather than waiting until the middle and the end to use the term. What should have followed was a strategy, with the sticks and carrots, to uproot the sustainers of the ideology so it dissipates into history. A question is left hanging, “Now what? What changes?”

4. The true toll of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas and so many others must be counted not only in the number of dead. It must also be counted in generations of vanished dreams. The inclusion of Hamas and Hezbollah in this section is very significant. It wasn’t a call for Hamas and Hezbollah to drop terrorism to achieve their goals, as if they are freedom fighters gone astray.The argument wasn’t that their actions are counterproductive: It was that their very existence has sabotaged a potentially promising future from the people of the Middle East—not just Palestinians and Lebanese, but everyone. Again he framed the issue not as a consequence of Israel, thus negating claims of Hamas and Hezbollah of being “liberation” movements.

5. The birthplace of civilization is waiting to begin a new renaissance. Just imagine what tomorrow could bring.

This is a call for a reformation into modernity (as opposed to the “reformation” offered by the Islamist movements). President Obama acknowledged this necessity—but he did it in an interview, not in a historical speech to the Muslim world from Saudi Arabia.Ideally, Trump would have given a little more time to describe what is holding back this renaissance beyond a generic attribution to “extremism.” He should have taken a queue from Egyptian President El-Sisi and consulted with progressive Muslim reformers.

Trump called for “gradual change,” but failed to mention freedom, even gradually-granted freedom. His team likely worried that the mention of freedom would be interpreted as a synonym for democracy promotion, but caveats could have addressed that. This renaissance and rolling back of Islamism will require greater political and religious freedom, and acknowledging so does not make one an advocate of hasty destabilizations.

6. Until the Iranian regime is willing to be a partner for peace, all nations of conscience must work together to isolate Iran, deny it funding for terrorism and pray for the day when the Iranian people have the just and righteous government they deserve.

President Obama’s attitude towards Iran unnerved our Sunni Arab partners in the region. The heavy focus on Iran should help address that, but the fixation on the Iranian regime seemed to echo the Saudi line that Iran is responsible for practically all of the terrorism and extremism in the region. This let the Sunni side of radical Islam get off easy.The statement about hoping for a better government for the Iranian people is positive, as it at least welcomes regime change.However, it does not signal an American commitment to regime change in Iran or even regime destabilization. President Trump’s opposition to regime change is clear. To the ears of skeptical Iranians seeking freedom, this will sound like another investment in the hope that the Iranian “moderates” in the regime can slowly gain support in the theocratic system.

7.The Sunni governments got off easy.

If you listened to the Saudi king’s speech before Trump’s—where he said sharia protects innocent life and promotes peace and tolerance [basically engaging in dawa (proselytizing) to the world] — you’d see that he was one small step from declaring an American-Sunni jihad on Iran. It gave the impression that the Saudis saw the words of the speech as relating to ISIS and Iran alone, not holding them accountable.Based on the way Trump talked about the Saudis, you would have thought they were modern day Minutemen in need of a motivational speech. I shared Dr. Daniel Pipes’ reaction of “gagging” at the praise he gave to King Salman, who is known to have directly financed jihadists.The massive sale of arms to the Saudis was described as “blessed,” as if God’s hand had arranged and approved of the transfer. The Saudis’ opening of a Global Center for Combating Extremist Ideology was praised as “groundbreaking,” even though we’ve heard this story over and over and have no details with which to judge it as “groundbreaking” or not. At this point, it’s more like the wolf guarding the hen house.

Qatar and Kuwait, two major financiers of Islamist terrorism and extremism, were praised shortly before Trump praised the Gulf Cooperation Council for blocking terror-financing.

Overall, the speech had tremendous moments, with important subtleties that are important to notice. But the speech was not a launch of an ideological war against Islamism. While it was a great call to action, it was not a plan of action. If this speech is to produce concrete results, the declaration of a bold plan of action must soon follow.

From: NvaGvUp
23-May-17
Trump did NOT bow!

That was OBAMA who did that.

Geeze!

From: Anony Mouse
23-May-17
The likes of Zedian, Patriot (sharing same IP), freebase, et. al.) parrot the media's claim about Trump also bowing while ignoring the video of that moment showing that Trump had to lower his head to receive the award as he was almost a head taller.

Which just proves that one of the signs of proregressiveism is the ability to observe, deny reality and fit the real world into their alternate fantasy. I am surprised that none of them has expressed outrage at Trump's brutal slaying of a rare and splendid rainbow unicorn.

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