what's next, cat juggling?
HA/KS's Link
You are correct. These MSM fools should be on their knee's everyday thANking GOD Trump became POTUS. Without Trump as a story line everyone would realize, if they have not by this time, finally understand why these reporters are literally worthless and useless. What exactly is their contribution to society that would command a paycheck?
The Rock
Hillary Clinton spit in the faces of half of America trying to win. Do you think she wasn't/ isn't trying to dig up dirt on Trump? What's the dang difference?
This is no smoking gun or, any bit of proof that liberal America is claiming it to be. It is nothing.
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"A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails".
It does, however, show us how willing and desperate the left is to overturn election results which did not favor The Witch From Hell, despite all of their assurances to the contrary.
......like giving 2 cents and expecting a dollar change, blather on
Anony Mouse's Link
The Trump Jr email chain makes it look worse than it really is, but hysteria will prevail for the short term.
For the record, I really enjoyed the interview you did with him and think he's a great ambassador for hunters.
Pat...Smith was introduced to Don Jr at the Wort in Jackson and had a nice conversation with him.
It's obvious you aren't French, either.
Maybe a little, Blue Cheese'ish?
LOL :-)
There is a similar caveat in the campaign laws that might apply to jr - but it is apparently not often charged. BK would know more about that than I would.
Give me a break. We have better things to do.
Amoebus's Link
The meeting was only disclosed by Kushner recently, when the senior White House aide re-submitted a form necessary for his security clearance. Kushner's attorney Jamie Gorelick released a statement on Saturday regarding the revelation, explaining that the form was originally submitted before it should have been.
"As we have previously stated, Mr. Kushner's SF-86 was prematurely submitted and, among other errors, did not list any contacts with foreign government officials," he said in the statement.
"The next day, Mr. Kushner submitted supplemental information stating that he had had 'numerous contacts with foreign officials' about which he would be happy to provide additional information. He has since submitted this information, including that during the campaign and transition, he had over 100 calls or meetings with representatives of more than 20 countries, most of which were during transition," the statement said.
"Mr. Kushner has submitted additional updates and included, out of an abundance of caution, this meeting with a Russian person, which he briefly attended at the request of his brother-in-law, Donald Trump Jr.," the statement continued. "As Mr. Kushner has consistently stated, he is eager to cooperate and share what he knows."
It was a TRUMP and an a person from RUSSIA!
That's enough for the media and idiots like freeglee and Sybil.
Of course, the FACT that Hillary gave RUSSIA 20% of our uranium and her Foundation then received tens of millions of dollars in 'donations' from RUSSIA is meaningless. Pure coincidence!
Which he did.
So where's the beef?
No Tweets saying it had happened. Spike do you still support Trumps?
Wanna' try saying that again, only this time in ENGLISH?
Anony Mouse's Link
It's now clear that Barack Obama and his administration orchestrated meetings between certain Trump associates and Russian officials in order to justify FISA wiretaps.
It's just that simple. They abused the FISA system to extract intelligence that they could then leak.
All of that happened and they still lost.
Reddit user Brexitgod offers the following infographic to describe the timeline:
(continued with pictures for those of you that don't read so good)
slade's Link
This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.
Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding the president's eldest son."""
"At this point, what does it matter?"
Nava, maybe you can understand this question. Do you still support the Trump Presidency?
slade's Link
Would difference does it make.....:)
Yes!
And compared to what the alternative was, HELL YES!
I thought we were talking about Trump and company, if s's and extra o's are where it's at for you, giddy up. You fit right in with the Trumpsters group as they can't answer a question either.
Err, I almost hate to point this out but he did; see his response below for confirmation.
"Shoots Straight, are you on those stupid pills again?
My posts were right on topic and, though you asked Nva and not me, for the record YES I do support Trump still!"
Shooting straight all right......think you got both feet too.......
Do you support his President?
I honestly don't think there is any Russian troubles. Just the MSM and some (D)'s digging an empty hole.
Anony Mouse's Link
Perhaps you could list the ones you view in that vein and initiate an honest discussion.
" You would have to have been living in a rodent hole not to believe that there's some Russian collusion going on with Trumps team."
The key word there is "believe"; fortunately our system of laws is predicated upon proof, not belief.
To date there's been more tangible evidence pointing to Democratic collusion with Russia; maybe your rodent hole doesn't get cable?
"I hope you fellas wise up, before our next election cycle."
I'd settle for you merely waking up; wisdom doesn't seem to be in the offing.....
Bullsh*t is bullsh*t, no matter how you coat it it still smells like sh*t.
He blundered some stuff. But nothing that can't be fixed. And nothing to throw him out of office for. This Russia stuff has gotten to be a bad joke. Even the leftists who's hope and prayers to "impeach" him rested on finding something..... anything...... they are seeing it's all a lost cause. The dire predictions and fake news and childish fits by the leftist media.... all nothing. All but the most hard core left are slowly seeing the truth..... there is nothing there.... the boy has cried wolf far too many times for all but the true believers.....
I still support him. Absolutely. There are glimmers, if he can grow to the job, he could be a great one. If not and he still keeps tweeting stupid..... he's still miles ahead of the corrupt Obama/Clinton cabal to destroy America. Childish, arrogant, immature...... annoying yes..... but so far inconsequential and certainly not illegal.
Shoots-Straight's Link
I go down this list and scratch my head as to who would really qualify for one of those positions. http://www.marieclaire.com/politics/a23922/donald-trump-cabinet-appointments/ Zinke, Sec of Interior is from Montana. I played football against him. He went on to be a navy seal and make his way through politics because of that. He claims to be a Teddy Roosevelt Republican. Teddy would never do what he already has. He did ride a horse to work the first day. I believe his cowboy hat was on backwards though.
He was running on the promise to drain the swamp. He just filled it up with a mud hole full of hogs.
I had mistakenly hoped you'd actually invest some thought into a response and not merely regurgitate leftist talking points; hell, I could have tossed a monkey a few bananas and gotten more of an effort.
Oh, and FactCheck.Org? The first claim is easily refuted-the famous 97% of climate scientists myth; an honest effort on your part would have debunked that nonsense in, oh, about 0.5 seconds.
Thanks for the laugh though about Rex Tillerson; quite a contrast from John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and across the pond the assessment of his stature couldn't be more diametrically opposed than that of the Washington (COM)Post.......
In addition to no cable it appears that your rodent hole lacks imagination too.......
Yawn X3
Shoots-Straight's Link
AFAIC, every school should permit firearms on campus. Gun free zones are target rich environments for crazies. Of course, if you're a buffoon, you'll take the statement by Sec DeVos out of context and pepper the internet with faux outrage.
Nonsense; some of the best candidates (based on subsequent performance) for jobs have been some of the poorest interviews. Interviewing is a skill and like any skill you have a range of aptitude.
Basing an opinion solely on an interview and casting aside positive performance and more importantly, policy positions that show a clear recognition of what is not working in public education (throwing endless money at it for starters) shows a preconceived bias; the latter should be the more heavily weighed metric in forming an opinion.
But let's be honest; you have little interest in an honest discussion given the paucity of your "research", the nebulous charges against Trump's picks and against his 5+ months performance, perfectly capped off with your SNL-shades of "I can see Russia from my porch" miscasting of her remark about guns in a rural western locale.
What is abundantly clear to the majority of Americans is that the current system generates far more failures than successes. What is subject to debate is the best shift in course.
Now if you've got something worthwhile (and intellectually honest) to post, by all means please do.
Or continue to waste time and bandwidth.....
She showed very poor aptitude. Name one D that's in office that you support?
Americans can decimate an interview as well as what she was in her past and how she preformed. What did she have to do with education before she was picked Secretary?
A intellectually honest discussion is one that both sides answer questions. Your the one that's (intellectually dishonest) because you provide no facts and no answer nothing.
I see you chose to waste time and bandwidth......
Shoots-Straight's Link
Mike how long you going to stay on that tippy ship?
Sources drop a bombshell that Trump isn't the first President or Presidential candidate to have unofficial ties to Russians.
Great moves, something that should have been done long ago. EPA, DOE, etc. should be chopped off at the knees and either eliminated or reined in. If they actually have a purpose it should be a very narrow and focused one. The "trend" shall we say has been to expand every Fed agency in both size, scope and power rather than focus on the precise mission.
Great moves. Long needed, but not going to be done by a culture of cliquish big government bureaucrats
Unless of course your nest is padded by some of those feathers......
Anony Mouse's Link
Shoots-Straight's Link
As far as budget cuts. To be fair if we are going to cut our debt all areas need to share the burden. It would be pretty selfish of us outdoorsman to want cuts for areas we don't support or have an interest in and not take a hit our selves.
You can't have your cake and eat it to.
Not really sure how Zinke has anything to do with Trump Jr and Russia.
Since we are hijacking threads. Let's talk wolves SS. You come across as a pro wolf person. Is this true?
Fulldraw, we've been taping federal lands and there's a energy glut if you hadn't noticed. Under Obama more drilling went on than other presidents in the past 20 years. It's happening at the expense of wildlife, wildlife we hunt. Maybe not those that spend so much time bullying this site. This look like we aren't tapping energy out west?
As much as I love hunting out west or hunting period. Or better yet as much as I love our wildlife period. Our countries energy needs is going to affect more people then my love for hunting.
I see you avoided my question on wolves. They affect our hunting. They affect our wildlife. To say they don't is foolish.
If we are going to hijack this thread let's get it done.
Like it or not we are dependent on fossil fuels.
"Remember when Donald Trump was business partners with the Russian government and his company got 53 million from the Russian government investment fund called Rusnano that was started by Vladimir Putin and is referred to as "Putin's Child"?
Oh wait, that wasn't Trump it was John Podesta.
Remember when Donald Trump received 500 thousand for a speech in Moscow and paid for by Renaissance Capital, a company tied to Russian Intelligence Agencies?
Oh wait, that was Bill Clinton.
Remember when Donald Trump approved the sale of 20% of US uranium to the Russians while he was Secretary of State which gave control of it to Rosatom the Russian State Atomic Energy Corporation?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.
Remember when Donald Trump lied about that and said he wasn't a part of approving the deal that gave the Russians 1/5 of our uranium, but then his emails were leaked showing he did lie about it?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and John Podesta.
Remember when Donald Trump got 145 million dollars from shareholders of the uranium company sold to the Russians?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.
Remember when Donald Trump accepted millions in donations from Russian Oligarchs like the chairman of a company that's part of the Russian Nuclear Research Cluster, the wife of the mayor of Moscow, and a close pal of Putins?
Oh wait, that was the Clinton Foundation.
Remember when Donald Trump failed to disclose all those donations before becoming the Secretary of State, and it was only found out when a journalist went through Canadian tax records?
Oh wait, that was Hillary Clinton.
Remember when Donald Trump told Mitt Romney that the 80s called and it wanted its Russian policy back. The Cold War is over?
Oh wait, that was President Obama.
Man... Trump's ties to Russia are really disgusting!"
"Fulldraw, we've been taping federal lands and there's a energy glut if you hadn't noticed. Under Obama more drilling went on than other presidents in the past 20 years."
Uh, that's not even remotely accurate.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/obamas-drilling-denials/
http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/obama-cancels-lease-sales-withdraws-federal-lands-oil-gas-development/
This one explains that the bulk of the drilling, the "glut" you refer to comes from private land, not public.
http://www.reuters.com/article/kemp-usa-oildrilling-idUSL6N0NE33K20140422
Facts? We don't need no stinking facts!
And even Trey Gowdy acknowledged that DTJr only produced his emails once he found out that The NY Times was about to publish them. Now Kushner is amending his clearance forms to note the meeting. True there is no proof YET of collusion but there are plenty of misleading statements and omissions that may lead to some serious problems, like Trump leading the Republican Party to destruction. He is already slowing their agenda in my opinion.
Please try to listen to steady, reliable, conservative news and not just Breitbart
Obvious, it seems, travels hand-in-hand with common sense nowadays; I believe you've heard the phrase "common sense isn't as common as it used to be" of late.
The showstopper I use when engaged in conversation with some of my liberal friends is "Can you cite what statute(s) have been violated by anyone in the Trump campaign?" Of course they can't because there aren't any. The follow-up question once that reality sets in is "Do a search on those violated by Hillary Clinton, the former DNC chair and Clinton operatives; it will be a much more substantive list."
There hasn't been this many blanks fired since the filming of "The Longest Day".....
Bullshooter's Link
Amoebus's Link
The U.S. Criminal Code (title 18, section 1001) provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony which may result in fines and/or up to five (5) years imprisonment.
This is related to the SF-86 forms that were filled out to get clearance.
We will see if they are ever prosecuted.
KPC "
Isn't this one of those Russian nesting dolls??? Russian!! lol
It's a presidential race. A particularly nasty one that you KNOW both sides were digging for dirt.... or traction..... where ever they could. Again, as much as there is a difference between Russians and Russia..... there is a difference between meeting and LISTENING to what someone has to say..... or has to offer...... and accepting that and acting on it.
They met with someone who said they had some dirt on Hillary. Period. They didn't. End of story. I would imagine they would check into anything, from pretty much anyone, who claimed they did. It's politics. Both sides. There are people who became big names for being scumsuckers for the Clinton's and Obama's over the years. Obama even "somehow" got sealed court documents "unsealed" and made public and used to smear his (if I recall) his congressional opponent. How he got put on the map as a Senator from Illinois. The rest they say is "historic".....
Even the biggest Jr apologists have to admit that he changed his story all last week in regards to this meeting. Why would you believe him when he said he didn't get any dirt on Hillary? If they didn't get any dirt on Hillary, why did the entire cabal (where is Trax during all this) vehemently deny ANY meetings with Russians up until now?
I think the 'end of story' will occur with Mueller - unless Trump makes a move to fire him.
Mike in CT's Link
I've been traveling so sorry for the delay in getting back to your post. To address the issue of whether Donald Trump Jr. will ever be charged I would say (not flippantly), "for what?" To the best of my knowledge he still doesn't have a security clearance, only Jared Kushner does. Were it not for the gravity of the situation some of the hyperbole about this episode would be first-rate comedy fodder.
As to his story changing I'd use Occam's Razor to answer that one; if a meeting turned out to be a great big nothing burger how many details would most people recall 9 months later?
I'm sorry, but I don't even see a molehill here let alone the mountain some are trying make of this.
I'm inclined to give anyone the benefit of the doubt until compelling evidence (key word evidence) shows otherwise. And yes, given the sheer volume of details he's had to deal with I have no problem accepting this was relegated to the "inconsequential minutiae file" very quickly.
Additionally, you (and others) are viewing this through the very convenient prism of time; we know what's happened since and in some cases, it is very painfully apparent some are reading into this (and other non-issues) what they arrive at those issues with; nothing faintly resembling real objectivity.
The aspect of attention some have given to "Russian ties" is only relevant to those married to the theory that there was either active collusion or an attempt to facilitate collusion on the part of the Trump campaign. The latter hasn't yet had a compelling case made for it and the former is, to be very blunt, laughable given the paucity of any supporting evidence.
Still not even a molehill here.....
Please make the case for how taking a meeting (as now known) amounts to "attempted to collude"; I don't know if badKarma is inclined to weigh in further on this thread but if he did I'd be very surprised if he didn't conclude that this assertion would get literally laughed out of court.
The simplest explanation shouldn't need the prerequisite qualifier that it has to make at least some sense; allegations absent supporting evidence don't cut it.
It's likely the Russians had something to do with the hacking. It's also quite likely that some Democrat with a conscience started the leaks. It's also likely that a Russian hacker, rather than the Russian government, hacked into Hillary's computer, just as it could have easily been some hacker in Detroit. You're past-posting, as though looking back a long time afterwards with later-discovered information gives you some kind of credibility here. (Hint: it does not.)
For your education, past-posting is done by the guy who waits until after the race was won and then tries to place a bet on the winner.
No, there is evidence to show a meeting took place and none to show any outcome of that meeting.
The only thing defined so far by you is "assumption"; try again to make a case of "attempted collusion" or do us the kind favor of abstaining from further recyclings of a charge absent a case for it.
Then I was able to easily find (on my phone!) one of many threads where posters ridiculed it as I said, , and you call me out for "past-posting". What better way to show that my initial statement was true than to show past posts?
I stand by the statement, and if you seriously can't find any posts that confirm it, it is you who are trying to deceive yourself.
And back to the topic at hand. Can we just stipulate that Hillary was/is a scumbag and all agree to that? Then we could focus on whether we should accept Trump's campaign director, family members, and his national security adviser meeting with Russians during the campaign, and then hiding it.
Yes, Hillary is a terrible person. And yes, just about anyone would respond to a meeting request where the other person said they could provide dirt on your political opposition. Since Trump, Jr is not a member of the government, whether he lies or not is of no importance to me. He can do nothing to impact my life, or that of my loved ones.
Mike x 2..... not even a molehill there to try and make a mountain out of.....
I'm not a Trump fan by any means. But this Trump/Russian obsession is getting pretty ridiculous. They've come up with nothing.... over and over and over.... Grasping at any straw thinking "this is it, this is the one, we can..... um, kick him out of office with, yeah, that's it.... we can kick him out"
Again, for what? His son took a meeting with someone who said they had information on Hillary? Turned out all they wanted to talk about was adoption policy? Have any proof it was anything else? Want to bet some money that someone in Clinton's camp took meetings from folks claiming to have something on Trump? Actually think that is somehow illegal?
Folks, opponents, would be better served to drop this dead end and focus on policy matters, foreign and domestic. What kind of President he is, will be. This other stuff is false hopes and wishes, along the same lines as the Obama Birther issues, desperate for that silver bullet.... I recognize many names here who mocked and ridiculed that.
Conspiracy is. But to have a conspiracy, the definition is "an agreement to break the law." I'm still waiting for the underlying crime that would support a conspiracy argument. But right now, what is alleged is like farting in an elevator: it may be offensive but it's not criminal.
Nobody voted for Donald Trump, Jr, nor is he a cabinet member, nor in any other federal position. That should be obvious.
Omg that's funny thanks for the laugh Sybil.
Doubtlessly they appear that way to those predisposed to suspect the worst, or to those not inclined towards objectivity. Here's another possibility (and one that only requires honest objectivity and not divination); a political neophyte took a meeting that amounted to nothing and quickly filed it in the mental equivalent of the circular file. Fueled solely by the naivete of the non-political he never imagined the rush to create a scandal out of nothing by those with political axe(s) to grind or those inclined towards assigning unquestioned validity to the most specious of charges when politically convenient.
Still waiting for the molehill you keep insisting is a mountain....
" And appearance matters. It matters to voters. It matters to lawmakers."
All the more reason to create the appearance of impropriety where none exists. Oz the Great and Powerful was a piker compared to some of you.......
DTJ in March: “Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did,” he said. “But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”
DTJ on July 8th, before realizing the NYT had the exact content of the emails: "It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up. I was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand."
DTJ on July 11th (after the emails were released): Honestly, my takeaway, when all of this was going on, is that someone has information on our opponent...And Hey, wait a minute, I've heard about all these things, but maybe this is something. I should hear him out...I'd been reading about scandals that people were probably underreporting for a long time. So maybe it was something that had to do with one of those things. I mean, this is her perhaps involvement with the Russian government....I mean, I was probably pressing because the pretext of the meeting was, Hey, I have information about your opponent."
Once he realized his goose was cooked and the NYT had the emails, he came out with the truth. Sorry, I don't buy the excuse of this was irrelevant and mentally filed away as such, particularly with all of the buzz around potential collusion. He arranged and took a meeting with someone portrayed to be connected to the Russian government with the expectation they would "provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father" and somehow this gets filed into the mental rubbish bin?
Or is a more likely excuse that they thought they could hide the truth and they couldn't, and rather than come out with the truth they tried to deceive and lie some more taking a gamble that their "accusers" didn't have all of the information. Only when they realized they did, did the truth come out. One of these scenarios seems far more probable than the other, particularly given the climate around Russian meddling. At the very least I think I would go back and read the emails before giving a statement. Who wouldn't do that? I'd wager a bet that DTJ did and he still decided to make it sound like the meeting was set up to discuss adoption.
The Trumps may be political neophytes, but even they aren't as dumb as you claim. You're a smart guy, Mike. You can't really believe that, can you? If you really do, a Trump campaign/administration that is that clueless is a far scarier proposition than a Trump campaign that is deliberately deceptive IMO.
Fans aren't bothered by it and people who are bothered aren't surprised by it anymore. The natural outcome of damaging Trump would be improving the status of Democrats or Rhinos so while many are no fan of lying and poor behavior, enabling others with worse policy positions and equal or much worse scandals doesn't interest them.
Trump was no secret. He has been around in the public eye for decades. People knew exactly what they were doing. As stated above, this election was less about Trump and much more about giving the finger to Dems and Rhinos.
Of course I want a President that is classy, professional, well spoken and dignified. None of the used car lot owners fit that description so folks went with the one that dances around dressed in a gorilla suit but prices everything 20% lower than the other guys and makes fun of the competition's tradition of ripping off customers.
The elections in this country are not decided by the people on the left or the right, but by the folks in the middle. Trump won the election for two primary reasons -- he was an outsider that promised to shake things up and he wasn't Hillary Clinton. People put him in power, despite his warts, with the hope that he would change and that he would shake up Washington.
What we are getting from him is just more of the same from Washington with a slightly different flavor. The deception, scandal, and the feeling of amateur hour coming from the administration is going to drive the middle to the left.
I'm worried that the right is going to squander the opportunity to get meaningful legislation done related to taxes, healthcare, second amendment rights, etc. and hand the whole thing back to the Dems on a silver platter. You really think that the folks that took a flier on Trump are happy with what they've gotten thus far? I'm not talking about the folks that showed up at his rallies...
As for the election. I totally agree with BEG on who got Trump elected. But I don't agree with them looking to the left with all this Russia stuff. Most haven't followed it or they think it's just the left grasping at straws. At least that's what I gather from the people I have talked to.
I think 2018 could be ruff for republican candidates if Some good things don't get pushed threw.
A candidate doesn't have to be liked by most people, just by more people than his opponent. The middle could swing left. We have a few years to see what develops. I think the lean left crowd that didn't show up or swapped horses to make a statement would be more than happy to vote for a moderate Democrat with a little outsider edge, small baggage and an optimistic view of America.
If Dems were paying attention, the GOP is in for a tough go. If Dems double down on steering farther left and putting the same old horses in the race, they may take the lead in the race to see which party can lose their base the fastest.
For starters you really need to overcome your propensity for assumption; for instance, calling someone naive is no more calling them dumb than calling someone ignorant is calling them stupid.
With regard to what a person may or may not file in the mental dumpster that's a matter of personal perspective; personally if I got all worked up over someone's claims to have the next big thing and it was the equivalent of a K-Mart sparkler you'd better believe I'd shuffle that meeting's details to the dimmest, darkest recesses of my mind.
To argue you wouldn't expect anyone to do similarly under like circumstances shows me that you've got tunnel vision on the conspiracy/collusion gambit and couldn't see reality even if you tripped over it.
You make the tunnel vision argument better than I could when you consistently attribute the meeting's arrangements to DJT; perhaps you should go back and re-read some of what you've bought into:
"The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit:...."
followed by:
"Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”"
None of that squares with your assertions, most recently this: " He arranged and took a meeting with someone portrayed to be connected to the Russian government..."
DJT was emailed and the intermediary "arranged" the meeting. You haven't even got the basics factually correct!
I'll let you know when I stumble across that molehill........
Anony Mouse's Link
WRT Trump (Glunt's comments for example)...
We saw just how well polished, polite and nice dealt with the Democrat slime machine when it came to Bush, McCain and Romney. For once, the proregressive left has to deal with someone who is willing to fight back and they still do not know how to deal with a non-politician politician. For all the Russia memes (from collusion to salad dressing) for over a year...there still is no there there.
And Trump is winning against not only the left, but the media and the#neverTrump eGoP. Polls (!!!) show that most people think the Democrat Party is bereft of any ideas, journalism has beclowned themselves into a source of fake news.
Some Democrats have become aware that their insistence of holding on to the Russian illusion is not working...and realizing that some of their own may well be in danger of loosing re-election (a number of states that went for Trump have DemSens facing Republican challengers that could well take even more seats away from their party).
Cry as they might...they own Obamacare and have shown that they have no intention of doing anything to help fix it. Looking at their future hopes, all we can see is a further march to the left. The DC establishment faces similar problems...Trump was the result of their continued promotion of more and more government put on the back of those that actually work and pay taxes. Expect many of the old guard GoP having to face primary opponents.
Trump/Russian Connection in Kebab Truck
A Russian in Montana has named his kebab truck Doner Trump.
We don’t know exactly what this means but it is worth investigating. CNN is on it.
Furthermore, the truck owner’s wife is a Muslim and he’s half-Muslim half-Jewish. Also worth investigating. It doesn’t make any sense, but Chris Cuomo is now unraveling it by “just asking questions.”
Trump haters in the town are vowing not to eat from the truck. Unfortunately for the haters, Trump carried Billings, Montana by 60%.
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“If you asked what is Döner Trump like, I would say really friendly customer service, natural and healthy food,” he said. “And quantity and price is fair.”
Even so, it seems he did have an inkling that the name might raise some eyebrows. “Good or bad,” he said, “it would still be advertising.”
He said he likes “shaking people up,” and he enjoys conversation about virtually anything, controversial or not. Which might be the best reason to give Döner Trump a try. Saifullin is smart, intense and knowledgeable, and chances are that you’ve never met anyone like him.
He is 28, a Tatar born in Russia and raised in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Dubai and India. He speaks Kazak, Hindi, English, Turkish and Russian, he said, and his father is Jewish, his mother Muslim.
Saifullin said he and his wife, Zulfira, a Kazak, both earned college degrees in Kazakhstan, he a bachelor’s in foreign language translation and she a bachelor’s in business and a master’s degree in tourism. They met while working for an American company in Kazakhstan.
He described his wife, a Muslim, as “very positive, very close to God.” For his own part, he said, raised in a mixed-religion family and then having lived in so many countries, where he visited churches, temples, mosques and shrines, “I decided religion is not for me.”
He believes in God, he said, just not in any particular religion. “If I’m honest, that’s better,” he said. “God wants people to be honest.”
Is that a scimitar??
Zulfira had been to Billings many times to shop, Saifullin said, so she was familiar with the town, and Billings topped their list when they thought of leaving for the United States.
“The most important thing was the people,” Saifullin said. “The people and the nature and the cost of living.”
They moved here in the fall of 2015 after Zulfira was awarded a visa under the Diversity Visa Program. A State Department website said a limited number of such visas are set aside for immigrants “from countries with historically low rates of immigration to the United States.”
They hope to gain citizenship eventually, but meanwhile they are here under permanent residency status. That means they can’t vote but have all the other rights and obligations of American citizens. Their second daughter, now 9 months old, was born in Billings.
Saifullin said he worked as a server in restaurants through his college years, and when he came to Billings he worked for several restaurants, including Dos Machos and the Bull Mountain Grill. And he and his wife have both always loved to cook.
This is how immigration is supposed to work. Yet progstains hate this couple. He supports the United States, is hardworking, his wife is hardworking, he supports Trump.
These are the ones the progs would like to deport.
And now I want a gyro.
He sure seemed to remember a lot more once he realized the emails were in the possession of the NYT and then finally the truth came out. So either he didn't go back and reread the email thread regarding that meeting until the moment he decided to release it to the public...or he wasn't being straightforward and honest. You can keep assuming it's the former...I'll take the latter and give DTJ a little more credit.
Bullshooter's Link
On Fox News: Was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or cutouts they have?
Mike Pence: Of course not. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign?
another News commentator: Can you say that nobody from the Trump campaign had any involvement with the Russians before during or after the campaign?
Conway: Yes I can.
But Flynn, Sessions, Carter Page, Manafort, Kushner, and DT Jr all met with Russians.
Go ahead and sort through the words and try to make it sound like they were being honest. Good luck trying not to sound like Clinton when he said "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.
Jr was told the meeting would be with a "Russian government attorney", and the email said "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump -- helped along by Aras and Emin," The Aras named is Algalarov, who has ties to Putin. That was before Jr. had amnesia until he found out that the Times was going to publish the emails. Then they applaud his transparency.
As far as crimes, Flynn has asked for immunity and he could be in trouble for failing to properly disclose payments from Russia and Turkey. Kushner likewise did not disclose contacts on his security clearance forms. That, I think, is all that is already known of any crimes taking place. Of course the Dems are all lactating and jumping the gun, but Mueller is going to find out what was going on. At least 6 people involved in the campaign met with Russians but nobody admits it until caught. Why are they trying to hide it if there is nothing wrong? Lying on the security clearance forms is a felony.
Like Bullshooter, I certainly agree things get exaggerated and twisted. By both sides. I don't see any swamp draining, I just see and smell stenches of a different flavor.
And you're spot on JLS. I even fully agree that this is a witch hunt to an extent. But when you choose to do battle with certain entities, you damn well better be prepared for what you're getting yourself into.
Good leaders don't throw their people under the bus, IMO. President DJT has done this repeatedly.
Sorry folks, I'm still waiting for that molehill. Regurgitating charges of conspiracy/collusion absent substantive proof isn't even moving the needle one iota with me.
Disclaimer: the preceding statements should not be misconstrued as any attempt on my part to stifle debate or muzzle free speech; your time is your time-use it wisely or continue to waste it at your leisure.
Wake me up when you really have something.......
See you in 20, Rip
Shoots-Straight's Link
I work in a business where onerous Federal oversight is part of every day life. Its almost impossible to do everything 100% by the book and gray area work-arounds are common.
While CEO at Exxon, I want Tillerson doing whats best for Exxon (within the law ). While Secretary of State I want him doing whats best for America and our position in the world.
But he is not Bozo. From all accounts he's doing a pretty good job. He works for US interests, not some global cabal.......
Spicer's now gone. I will bet anyone of you that there's more to follow. The hemorrhaging from this ridiculous and disfunctional administration is just beginning.
MIke C your take?
Same with Russia. Dead silence when Obama told the Russian that he'd have more flexibility after the 2012 election. And you ridiculed Romney in 2012 for saying that Russia was our greatest threat. Now, the same folks Obama was trying to curry favor with are a menace.
So now, every unsubstantiated rumor is a call to arms about "Collusion!" despite the fact that the rumors are unsubstantiated, and collusion is not a crime, even if true.
A story in the NYT or Washington Post, by itself, means nothing. They're out to get Trump by any means possible, legal, honest or otherwise.
Those of you that call me a Trump apologist are just showing your ignorance. I'm one who did not vote for Trump, and predicted the "crapshow" of how he'd manage and deal with the press. Trump thinks out loud, often to his detriment, and often tweets what he thinks. But I'm not going to accuse him of criminal or otherwise questionable activity without confirmation of the claims. Instead, you guys latch on to every wild rumor like some fat guy in his mother's basement thinking some supermodel looking girl from Brazil on the internet is going to come to America and screw your brains out if you'll just give her $20,000 to buy a plane ticket and some nice clothes for when she gets here.
And the reason Trump is in office? Because the Democrats anointed the most despicable, unlikeable and corrupt candidate in history. Reap what you sow, boys.
Right on the money; a pity some see what promises to be a convenient hit piece and obviously don't thoroughly digest all of the material prior to posting it.
Brings to mind a classic movie line; "You keep using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means."
Henry,
At times the CF beats the heck out of Lunestra......
Sen. McCaskill’s family foundation pays the Russians
Canada Free Press: As if Washington didn’t have enough Russian scandals, or supposed scandals, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) has provided another one. The Washington Free Beacon’s Brent Scher recently reported that Sen. McCaskill used a philanthropic foundation that she and her husband, Joseph Shepard, created in 2013—the Shepard Family Foundation in St. Louis—”to pay for a dinner she attended at Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak’s Washington, D.C., residence” in honor of a Missouri congressman in 2015.
The Shepard Family Foundation supports many nonprofit organizations, most of them in Missouri. But in 2015 it also paid $873 to the American-Russian Cultural Cooperation Foundation, Scher reports, where Russian Amb. Sergey Kislyak is honorary chairman of the board.
The report is interesting to many because, while McCaskill is a stern critic of the meetings, contacts, or conversations that U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions had with Kislyak, she claimed in March that she’d never had any similar meetings or conversations with Kislyak.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this look like an unannounced side meeting between Obama & Putin?
and then re-draw it.......and re-draw it........and re-draw it......
Amazing what fiction you can write after your second big bag of weed. There is so much wrong in your last post that it's not worth even bothering to refute. I'd rather go to the zoo and try teaching a chimpanzee to play the lead role in Hamlet.
Looks like you've uncovered one of the great mysteries of the late 20th century-whatever happened to this half of the dim-witted duo.......
Careful now; no telling how much "triggering" this lil' darlin' can stand before he needs a rubber room and a chew toy......
On the plus side there's been a definite improvement in the use of punctuation........
You want to see a Russian deal? Look no further than a Secretary of State who sells them uranium...... reportedly 20% of ours..... for a bribe in the form of millions of dollar to their own little private stash known as the Clinton Foundation.
Two faced hypocrisy so thick ya can't cut it with a knife, even if they knew which end to hold.....You people are are either evil, sick, or both.....
There you go throwing factual information into the conversation again; just like the facts of the Obama administration learning of Russian hacking of the DNC in Aug 2016 and doing NOTHING......
Facts and the left.....and never the two shall meet LOL.....
I understand that you use memes as a substitute for things like actual thought and research, and logic. It fools only others equally delusional.