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HA/KS 19-Jul-17
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WV Mountaineer 19-Jul-17
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HDE 20-Jul-17
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Woods Walker 20-Jul-17
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HA/KS 21-Jul-17
TD 21-Jul-17
Anony Mouse 21-Jul-17
From: HA/KS
19-Jul-17

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This article brings some facts to the discussion of "renewable" energy.

"Meanwhile, world energy demand has been growing at about 2 per cent a year for nearly 40 years. Between 2013 and 2014, again using International Energy Agency data, it grew by just under 2,000 terawatt-hours.

If wind turbines were to supply all of that growth but no more, how many would need to be built each year? The answer is nearly 350,000, since a two-megawatt turbine can produce about 0.005 terawatt-hours per annum. That’s one-and-a-half times as many as have been built in the world since governments started pouring consumer funds into this so-called industry in the early 2000s.

At a density of, very roughly, 50 acres per megawatt, typical for wind farms, that many turbines would require a land area [half the size of] the British Isles, including Ireland. Every year. If we kept this up for 50 years, we would have covered every square mile of a land area [half] the size of Russia with wind farms. Remember, this would be just to fulfill the new demand for energy, not to displace the vast existing supply of energy from fossil fuels, which currently supply 80 per cent of global energy needs."

From: HA/KS
19-Jul-17

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Not far from me in central KS yesterday.

From: Huntcell
19-Jul-17
Russian hackers!!!

From: Glunt@work
19-Jul-17
Check it at 2:30

19-Jul-17
I don't think anyone's proposing wind-turbines as the be all-end all of energy production. They are, but a piece of the puzzle. If you have wind, why not use it? Some people are just biased against it because liberals are for it.

In the town of Kotzebue where I work, we have a few wind turbines and there is always wind up here and they're always turning. When the wind hits 20mph, which is frequent, they power the entire town and in turn, the diesel generators are not needed.

Where I grew up in SoCal, there's an Indian Reservation that used casino money to put up 6 big wind turbines. When the wind goes through their canyon, which is frequently, it powers their entire reservation/casino and then some.

They have their place.

From: HA/KS
19-Jul-17
"They have their place." Only if entirely privately funded.

19-Jul-17
I don't think anyone was suggesting they didn't have a place. Only pointing out how small of a role they play in practical energy development.

These things have pluses and minuses. Just like all other energy sectors. But, the left has pushed them as the dave all. Well, they obviously aren't. Sure we need to use them. But, we need to be educated fully on what it entails. Instead of being told they are the saving grace.

If the Lord let's this earth stand for a couple hundred mire years, it will be riddled with these wind fields. What's worse, a view shed full of these things or, blue collar job producing, fossil fuel based jobs in the voting booth? That's the only proposal the left is proposing we consider. That's why so many are ridges against them.

God Bless

19-Jul-17
You gotta love spell check

From: HDE
20-Jul-17
Wind (and solar) cannot meet peak demand when needed because of it's unreliable predictabilty. We know when peak demands are, we do not know the sun will always shine and the wind will always blow.

Sure, you can put it into batteries, but that would cost trillions to do to meet the demand nationwide, as some want, not to mention conversion loss - unless we go to a DC grid...

Isolated examples that fit the bill on a small scale don't count in a nationwide, or even global, scale.

From: Anony Mouse
20-Jul-17
DELINGPOLE: RENEWMAGGEDON – SOLAR, WIND INDUSTRIES DYING AS SUBSIDIES DRY UP…

See if you can work out what these recent stories from around the world have in common:

Yes. That’s right. Slowly, deliciously, like a leech starved of blood, the renewable energy industry is withering away and dying. It can only survive through government enforced subsidies or bribe-incentives. Once those dry up, so does its trade.

I wish I could say it gave me no pleasure to see all those jobs being lost, all those businesses collapsing, all those investors losing their shirts. But I’d be lying. The jobs aren’t productive ones, the businesses are an ugly manifestation of crony capitalism, and the investors should have realized that in finance there’s no such thing as a one way bet. And in any case the victims of the renewable energy industry’s ongoing collapse will be far outnumbered by the victors. Renewables are, and always have been, a scam perpetrated by the few against the many.

A tiny minority – Elon Musk; Dale “Dog on a Rope” Vince; etc – get very, very rich. But the ordinary folk forced to use their “clean” energy (whether they like it or not) just see their bills go up or, in the worst cases die in fuel poverty, even while the planet we’re supposed to be saving gets carpeted in bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco-crucifixes and bird-frying solar arrays.

This is a moment for Americans, once again, to savor just how lucky they are to have a President who doesn’t buy into this green nonsense. President Trump understands instinctively that renewables – apart from killing birds on an epic scale – are just rent-seeking with a smiley green face on top.

It’s also a killer for domestic jobs and industry, as Cato’s Jason Scott Johnston explains here. While Germany has succeeded in increasing the share of wind and solar in German electricity production to over 30 percent, the average German household spent 50 percent more on electricity in 2016 than 2007. German firms open new manufacturing facilities not in Germany, but in Slovakia and other countries with much cheaper electricity.

Indeed, so economically suicidal is the renewable energy scam that you can use it as the benchmark against which to test a functioning Western economy. The more enthusiastic about renewable energy it is, the more deluded its leadership and the more likely it is to experience economic collapse.

Using this rule of thumb, you would definitely buy USA.

But you would sell South Australia. And also, argues Business Insider, the People’s Republic of California…

The California state Assembly passed a $3-billion subsidy program for electric vehicles, dwarfing the existing program. The bill is now in the state Senate. If passed, it will head to Governor Jerry Brown, who has not yet indicated if he’d sign what is ostensibly an effort to put EV sales into high gear, but below the surface appears to be a Tesla bailout.

From: Woods Walker
20-Jul-17
YUP! Just one more thing that the government got involved in and made into another gigantic kluster***k. They ARE good at something I guess. And some people want them involved in healthcare....."Stupid is as stupid does".

From: HA/KS
20-Jul-17
And still, solar and wind are less than 1% of world energy production!

From: HA/KS
21-Jul-17

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23,000 bicycles rusting away after a failed "bike share" program in Hangzhou China
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23,000 bicycles rusting away after a failed "bike share" program in Hangzhou China

From: TD
21-Jul-17
I have always felt the true calling for "renewable" (meaning, unreliable, not on demand) energy was in production of other forms of energy that can be stored long term and transported. Hydrogen production comes to mind. IMO Hydrogen, or along those lines will be the future. Things that can be produced when the conditions are right. Sun shining and/or wind blowing.

The problem with renewable is the unreliability...... full on demand systems MUST still be in place to take 100% of the needs. Which means the only REAL savings is in fuel and some wear and tear. With the cost of producing the renewable PLUS the cost of integrating it into the power system in a useful way are all costs ON TOP OF the current legacy systems. Currently.... it's a lopsided balance sheet.

From: Anony Mouse
21-Jul-17

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Gorbal warming is just a meme for the proregressive left.

The onus of the needs to prevent the destruction of the earth by AGW is put on the shoulders of the "little people" (which BTW includes the indoctrinated snowflakes), but are mere words to the global hopping elites.

St. Hillary...another great example.

Theory: most of global warming is caused by hot air created in DC and the left coast. Proof: Algore, Leo Decrapio, and the DC establishment.

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