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sleepyhunter 31-Aug-17
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From: sleepyhunter
31-Aug-17
Jesus is all about Love, Forgiveness, Belief and Commitment. From what I've read of your comments you lack in all 4 graces.

From: Glunt@work
31-Aug-17
Because he came from place with almost no opportunity and a lot of family tragedy related to crime and corruption. Here in America he is living better than he ever dreamed and his kids are all well educated, successful, productive happy people....

Oh you mean THAT Jesus. I thought you meant Jesus the guy who immigrated here (legally) and owns the big landscaping company here in town.

From: JTV
31-Aug-17
What Sleepy said ^^^^.... it is quite obvious Bird Turd is an atheist .... he wont be on here much longer... he is soon to explode, more so than the mental rants he does now....

From: Two Feathers
31-Aug-17
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name [was] John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:1-14

From: Mike in CT
31-Aug-17
Sleepy has this one well covered on all fronts.

Glunt, that's funny.....

From: Rocky
31-Aug-17
A guy I knew from the old days in South Philly knows this nerd. He told me he was real sweet in the shower and when they called for "lights out". He told me to tell him he misses "it". So...here you go nerd..."he misses "it". Whatever the hell that means to you. ;-)

The Rock

From: sleepyhunter
31-Aug-17
"" it is quite obvious Bird Turd is an atheist ....""

Interesting thought. There once was a person named Atheist Archer who used to haunt the Leatherwall in years past. nerd's comments read similar to his. He then disappeared suddenly.

From: Bowbender
31-Aug-17
NOTH,

Why do you even care? Just trying to denigrate believers?

Rev.1 [1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: [2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. [3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. [4] John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; [5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, [6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. [7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. [10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. [12] And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; [13] And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. [14] His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; [15] And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. [16] And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. [17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. [19] Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; [20] The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Rev.2 [1] Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; [2] I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: [3] And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. [4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. [5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. [6] But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. [7] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. [8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; [9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. [10] Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. [11] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. [12] And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; [13] I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. [14] But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. [15] So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. [16] Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. [17] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. [18] And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; [19] I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. [20] Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. [21] And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [22] Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [23] And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. [24] But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. [25] But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. [26] And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. [28] And I will give him the morning star. [29] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev.3 [1] And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. [2] Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. [3] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. [4] Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. [5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. [6] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. [7] And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; [8] I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. [9] Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. [10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. [11] Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. [12] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. [13] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. [14] And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; [15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. [16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. [17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: [18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. [20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. [21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. [22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev.4 [1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. [2] And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. [3] And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. [4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. [5] And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. [6] And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. [7] And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. [8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. [9] And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, [10] The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, [11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Rev.5 [1] And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. [2] And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? [3] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. [4] And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. [5] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. [6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. [7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. [8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; [10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. [11] And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; [12] Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. [13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. [14] And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. Rev.6 [1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. [2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. [3] And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. [4] And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. [5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. [6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. [7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. [8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. [9] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: [10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? [11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. [12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; [13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. [14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. [15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; [16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: [17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev.7 [1] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. [2] And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, [3] Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. [4] And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5] Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6] Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. [7] Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8] Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. [9] After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; [10] And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. [11] And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, [12] Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. [13] And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? [14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. [15] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. [16] They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. [17] For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Rev.8 [1] And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. [2] And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. [3] And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. [4] And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. [5] And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. [6] And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. [7] The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. [8] And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; [9] And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. [10] And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; [11] And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. [12] And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. [13] And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! Rev.9 [1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. [2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. [3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. [4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. [5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. [6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. [7] And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. [8] And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. [9] And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. [10] And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. [11] And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. [12] One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. [13] And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, [14] Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. [15] And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. [16] And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. [17] And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. [18] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. [19] For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt. [20] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: [21] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Rev.10 [1] And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: [2] And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, [3] And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. [4] And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. [5] And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, [6] And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: [7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. [8] And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. [9] And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. [10] And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. [11] And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. Rev.11 [1] And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. [2] But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. [3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. [4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. [5] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. [6] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. [7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. [8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. [9] And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. [10] And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. [11] And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. [12] And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. [13] And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. [14] The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. [15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. [16] And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, [17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. [18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. [19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Rev.12 [1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: [2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. [3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. [4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. [5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. [6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. [7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, [8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. [9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. [10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. [11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. [12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. [13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. [14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. [15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. [17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev.13 [1] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. [2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? [5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. [7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. [8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. [9] If any man have an ear, let him hear. [10] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. [11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. [12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. [13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, [14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. [16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Rev.14 [1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. [2] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: [3] And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. [4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. [5] And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. [6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, [7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. [8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. [13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. [14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [15] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [16] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. [17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. [18] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. [19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. [20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. Rev.15 [1] And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. [2] And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. [3] And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. [4] Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. [5] And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: [6] And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. [7] And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. [8] And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled. Rev.16 [1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. [2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. [3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. [4] And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. [5] And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. [6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. [7] And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. [8] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. [9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. [10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, [11] And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. [12] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. [13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. [14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. [15] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. [16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. [17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. [18] And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. [19] And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. [20] And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. [21] And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Rev.17 [1] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: [2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. [3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: [5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. [6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. [7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. [8] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [9] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. [10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. [11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. [12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. [13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. [14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. [15] And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. [16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. [17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. [18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Rev.18 [1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. [2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. [3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. [4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. [5] For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. [6] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. [7] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. [8] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. [9] And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, [10] Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. [11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: [12] The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, [13] And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. [14] And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. [15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, [16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! [17] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, [18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! [19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. [20] Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. [21] And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. [22] And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; [23] And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. [24] And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Rev.19 [1] And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: [2] For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. [3] And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. [4] And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. [5] And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. [6] And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. [7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. [9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. [10] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. [11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. [17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; [18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. [19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. [20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. [21] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Rev.20 [1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. [2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, [3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, [8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. [9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. [11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev.21 [1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. [6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. [7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. [8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. [9] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. [10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, [11] Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; [12] And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: [13] On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. [14] And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [15] And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. [16] And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. [17] And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. [18] And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. [19] And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; [20] The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. [21] And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. [22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. [23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. [24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. [25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. [26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. [27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Rev.22 [1] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. [2] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. [3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: [4] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. [5] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. [6] And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done. [7] Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. [8] And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. [9] Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. [10] And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. [11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. [12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. [13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. [14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. [15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. [16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. [17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. [18] For I testify unto every man tha

From: Sixby
31-Aug-17
The fool has said in his heart , there is no God. Its one thing to say that there is no God until you face death. Trouble is that many realize that there is a God at that time but they have destroyed their ability to repent of sin and believe that He will forgive them. God can fight his own fights without my help. I , however warn you. There will come a day and that day will happen very soon when every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord and Christ. Even the so called athiest. My knees will bow in love and reverence. Theirs in abject terror and will simply refuse to hold them up. God bless, Steve

From: HDE
31-Aug-17
nerd - for your own sake you had better hope you're right. I'd hate to be in your shoes when you find out you're wrong.

I can tell you why He cares, but you're not in the right mindset. It would be pointless. Sad. Very sad...

From: bad karma
31-Aug-17
Curious as to why you think that Jesus gives a rat's ass about this experiment called America... and personal freedom while we are at it.

No, you're not the least bit curious. You just want to use this as an opportunity to ridicule those here who are Christians, for no reason other than a perverse desire to belittle others.

Bible verses welcome for those of you who can read.

And here's exhibit A. Everyone here can read, but only you and a few like you are incapable of original thought.

And yes, please show a bit of energy and ingenuity when you attempt to verbally burn me at the stake. I have dogs and marshmallows

Nobody wishes to burn you at the stake. It would smell like burning bullcrap. Because if we were to simply extract all your bs, the remainder would fit in a small thimble.

From: Tiger-Eye
31-Aug-17
Ever notice that Christian nations tend to have more liberty, abundance, riches, and standard of living. ie USA, GB, most of Europe. Those nations who are Athiest (re:Communist Nations such as Russia, Cuba, China) and non Christian nations are usually impoverished, barren and lacking of freedoms?

Makes me wonder.

From: elkmtngear
31-Aug-17

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Picture is worth a thousand words...the OP sent me this via PM.

He repeatedly let me know he "does Science"...so basically this Russia thing is almost a certainty when you do the math, lol.

Behold the Product of the "New America"...SMH

From: JTV
31-Aug-17
THAT'S the Turd ??..... ROFLMAO !!

From: HA/KS
31-Aug-17
Yet, not one word of the Bible has been disproved by science. Maybe that is because they are two entirely different ideas.

God says to man that there is no wisdom but His. Man says that by science he can know everything. That's not working out so well.

From: HDE
31-Aug-17
And yet the list is the same of science disproving religion.

Wonder if it's because God knows more about science than we do...?

From: Jim Moore
31-Aug-17
Some folks come here to fish....quit being a fish.

From: foxbo
31-Aug-17
Maybe he just drinks too much at times and those are the times to stay away from the CF.

From: Mike B
31-Aug-17

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Herd Nerd: It's one thing to be thought an idiot.

But to come here and make a big proclamation like you have completely proves those people correct.

31-Aug-17
Christianity is about a relationship with the Savor. It is the death of religion. So, his shirt is correct. Where he himself is wrong is not knowing the difference.

Like Sixby said God doesn't need my help. Like Henry said, the bible has never been proven incorrect but, it has been proven historically correct. It's where you put your faith that determines where you stand. You can choose to believe the hundreds of theories by scientist. Or, you can accept the savor and KNOW what is the truth. It's a personal freedom that he grants each one of us with. With that freedom comes the responsibility of being held accountable for your choice. I'd make sure I was on the right side of this one. God Bless men

From: Owl
31-Aug-17
Science proves God. Frankly, the act of "doing science" is a testament to God.

That stated, the Bible is not a science text. It is, in its essence, the story of the lineage of Christ and God's intervention in the world.

From: BIG BEAR
31-Aug-17
Bowbender; That's the longest post I've seen on the Bowsite since I started hanging out here in 1995. You should get a prize or something......

From: Mike B
31-Aug-17
HerdNerd: Christian people have faith.

You, on-the-other-hand, have nothing.

From: itshot
31-Aug-17
a vile, angry and hateful thread from a vile, angry and hateful human being

thanks nerd of the poopmonkeys, your input here is invaluable

31-Aug-17
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/hubble-team-breaks-cosmic-distance-record the hubble telescope is only 400 million light years away from proving the big bang theory is fake. so science is about to prove science wrong. take a look very interesting. I am still on the side of God creating the universe.

From: Huntcell
31-Aug-17
Russia is not an Atheist nation theses days. Putin embraces the Russian Orthodox leaders and the religion. The masses also are very much into the church. From my visits over there I found that religion was never eliminated just pushed to the side for awhile and has come back front and center.

Your right the country as a whole Is "impoverished, barren and lacking."

From: Pi
31-Aug-17
Big Bear , I think he plagiarized . Seems I have seen that before somewhere . Make him reword it in his own way and where is his bibliography ? The shame ...

NOTH , God established government and blesses the nation that lives righteously . He answers the prayers of the Righteous .

Personal freedom is something one either willfully gives up or refuses to do so , to be in service to our Lord. We bind our-self to His lordship , His Holiness , And forsake the flesh for the spirit. Done so, not by force but from our freedom to do so or not , giving that act its merit .

That is why it is "important to God" and not an experiment at all but a challenge to live as He commanded us to. Freedom is a critical component for judgement. We are free to reject or perform His commandments . But don't be fooled into thinking anyone is able to perform perfectly , enough to merit His full approval . He accepts us by His Grace through our faith and not by our deeds . That is not a free pass to sin because to believe is to follow what He said to do . Believe and follow , He will help with your walk if you bind yourself to Him. He will accept you if you Love God with all and Your neighbor as yourself. If you repent and trust in Him ...

From: Mike B
31-Aug-17
Bowbender: Respectfully, you waste your time posting Revelations. The lost have absolutely no capacity to even begin to understand Revelations, as they have no Teacher.

HerdNerd: God promises us nothing in this life. NOTHING. You're talking to men of deep faith, and since you are not able to comprehend that faith you ridicule it.

You're the guy that stands outside a church building on Sunday morning and wonders why all those people inside are singing, and when the service is over, they come out happy, and refreshed. You want to be a part of it all, but you just can't quite grasp what it all means.

HN, the longest journey begins with the first step. DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE?? It's not child's play, I assure you. If you do have the courage, see if you can understand what this site (http://theromanroad.org/) is telling you.

Until you can understand how that page applies to you, personally, then it's probably best you keep your keyboard silent about matters of faith.

From: TD
01-Sep-17
I'm not very well versed in this, but here goes..... The bible (new testament as the OP referenced Jesus) is the written word of those who witnessed the life of Jesus. It is not a scientific journal. In fact there are several events depicted somewhat differently from several witnesses. Do your homework. As usual..... a very lazy and tacky affront.

This country.....with a constitution inarguably based on Christian values of personal individual rights and moral values.... should promote such values. I can certainly understand the hate in some hearts that would make them deny that fact. Makes it harder to take away such rights and denounce such values.

But the Christian also knows he can only guess at what Gods will may be. It is not our call to make, but a FAITH (as opposed to a hope and change...) in the end that the scales be tipped to the moral and righteous. It's a concept more and more unfamiliar to a great many..... it's call prayer, offered up to God and Jesus in their infinite wisdom..... not a demand....

And those who have faith, have faith in a far greater thing than is in this mortal dimension. As usual the OP has it all screwed up. "Murica" in reality is not a Christian goal, simply a Christian standard to try to achieve and live up to.... not down to as with the OP.... in reality the true goal is not even of this earth......

From: Pi
01-Sep-17
Respectfully TD. I believe God said exactly what His Will is for us . And the Christian can know what He wants of us. Known by the essence of the commandments , As Jesus pointed out . The commandments all hang on Two basic fundamentals , that is : To love our God with all we have and to love each other as we would be loved . His call for our Holiness is the standard, to measure our actions against that perfection. He wants us to lean on Him for the strength and the Change of heart and of our mind , for without that ,there is no Hope. He so Loved us that He gave of Himself to keep us ... Those who will follow and become the children of God.

Yes ,the Flesh worshipers have it backwards, Relying on mans ideas for hope and change .

In contrast We rely on Gods commands and love for our change and eternal Hope .

From: K Cummings
01-Sep-17

From: Franzen
01-Sep-17
Only an imbecile would call freedom an "experiment". Classic M.O. Attempt to bait'em with lines like "Reagan was one of the greatest."... then go on to profess nothing but uber liberal excrement.

From: HDE
01-Sep-17
Freedom is a truth just as much as laws of science are.

01-Sep-17
Wow.

From: Keith
01-Sep-17
Countries come and go. Our Triune God cares about the people. God's will is that we are saved.

"The Word of the Lord endures forever".

From: Mike B
01-Sep-17
HN: You're a coward.

"hehehe. A bronze-age, mythological sky being. That and an overactive primitive brain. That's it... all you got. Act like Jesus and you will be respected by people like me. Use your faith to do things that Jesus would not do himself... not so much.

Yeah...well, good luck with that.

From: itshot
01-Sep-17
fugg jeezus, we gots pot n science n stuff

From: Bowfreak
01-Sep-17
Just as Jesus said, "You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."

I pray for leftists as the devil zeros in on those who are least capable of defending themselves.

From: JTV
01-Sep-17
Nerd Turd continues to prove to be the fool and idiot that we all know he is... the sooner Pat or the Mods poof the guy, the better off this site will be..... Nerd Turd is nothing but an obnoxious troll ...

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. 35Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; 36And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! 37And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. 40One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. 42And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. 43The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. 44Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. 45Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

From: itshot
01-Sep-17

itshot's embedded Photo
itshot's embedded Photo

From: Mike in CT
01-Sep-17
Now that's funny there Itshot.......hehehehe

From: Whitey
01-Sep-17
If the dog comes in the house and craps on the carpet and you give it attention he will just crap on the carpet every time you let him in. That's science.

From: itshot
01-Sep-17

From: itshot
01-Sep-17

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itshot's embedded Photo

01-Sep-17
Gentlemen, remember Matthews 7:6-8.

From: elkmtngear
01-Sep-17
"Turd" is a great analogy...he's like a floater, you flush him down...and he just keeps re-appearing. Not sure why he shared his pic...I think it was intended to strike fear in me, lol.

Nice to put the face with the Turd. Gives everything a whole new perspective, right?

From: HDE
02-Sep-17
"...and you will be respected by people like me."

Oh goody...

From: Hackbow
02-Sep-17
""...and you will be respected by people like me."

Oh goody..."

HDE - That 'shaming' tactic is one that repeatedly works for leftists. Look how many repuglican reps sell their conservative souls to be 'liked'.

TOTH is simply evangelizing his faith here.

From: Atheist
02-Sep-17
Like Joel Osteen? Super preacher who kept his gigantic church closed while all 27 mosques in the Houston area were open and available? Funny how that's not mentioned here.

From: Mike in CT
02-Sep-17
WVM,

Very appropriate......kudos......

From: Bentstick81
02-Sep-17
Well atheist. I see you have first shift, of your DUMB ASS CLUB. Can't wait to see who has second shift. 8^)))

From: Bentstick81
02-Sep-17
Boy atheist. You got quiet. Did you get mad, and take half personal day? Phony a$$.

From: Atheist
02-Sep-17
Stop calling yourself a Christian preacher or a man of Christ if you aren't going to be Christ like. How simple is that?

From: Bowfreak
02-Sep-17
Has the Daily Kos shut down? All of the freaks have shown up here.

From: bad karma
02-Sep-17
Someone please explain why an atheist gets to tell Christians how to live. Apparently, his screwing up his own life isn't sufficient, as he wants to make other lives equally pathetic and miserable.

From: JTV
02-Sep-17
Atheist is one of the hemorrhoids that pops up from time to time ... a little Prep. H and the pain is gone .... what an ass .....

From: sleepyhunter
02-Sep-17
""Like Joel Osteen? Super preacher who kept his gigantic church closed while all 27 mosques in the Houston area were open and available? Funny how that's not mentioned here.""

So what creep. That action is from 1 man. You should worry about your own soul. Not someone else's.

From: Pi
02-Sep-17
Atheist , I agree with what you just said . Hypocrites and fake Christians do not help the argument one bit. You should be treated with respect by those who follow Christ. Because he commanded it to be that way. I know that is difficult for some others after the insults get going but those are not the words of a follower of Christ. Lets try to separate the two and continue to duke it out on both fronts separately.

J. Osteen does not represent other people. He is one man with his own program. I'm not a fan.

Sleepy an Bad- K , Christ gets to tell you how to live and when someone gets His words correct then just agree . Its not that difficult. When they are wrong, gently correct them . But if you want to be a Christian then alienating someone who is not , is not the way my friend , He said so. If you are not a follower of Christ , Jesus, then you are also lost , just as lost .

From: HDE
02-Sep-17
I would rather live a Christ like life to please Him and His Father than to please a man...

From: Atheist
02-Sep-17
I'm no biblical scholar HDE but it occurs to me that being Chrislike and serving man is exactly what pleases your god. I believe he said it himself in the holy book. The golden rule? Treating the lesser of society as you would treat god himself? I'm paraphrasing but I'm sure you know what I speak of.

From: Pi
02-Sep-17
Close Atheist, The two most important commands are to Worship God with all we have. The second is to Love others as you would be loved and as Jesus Loved us.

Treat the lost as though they are in need of a spiritual Physician.

Repenting and seeking a Spiritual life pleases God. Being Holy pleases God . Following His commandments pleases Him. Being merciful pleases God. Being truthful about His words Pleases Him. Worshiping only Him pleases Him...

Who is the lesser of society if not those who are in spiritual decay ?

There was two men who went into the Holy place to pray, One was a leader in the Religious community and took great effort to be well dressed and preach often , The other was a jerk , a tax collector and despised by most men. The high and mighty prayed for God to recognize him for his duty to the church and the tax collector broke down and cried deeply for he knew he was a broken and sad man . Who do you think God was pleased with ?

From: Mike B
02-Sep-17
Athiest: Fake news..Osteen's church building was never closed.

Because you lack understanding, you ridicule instead. Since when has a Christian person ever harmed you? What happened..did some little kid come by and steal your binky and stuffed rabbit while you were hiding in your safe space?

Ya see..Christians can be just as nasty as atheists..we just generally choose not to be, as Christ has requested we try to be nice to fools people like you.

From: Atheist
02-Sep-17
False Mike. His church was up and running. In fact it was opened after being pressured by social media. And of course when it opened, a collection plate was passed. For the church. No the victims. The church.

From: Pi
02-Sep-17
Mike B, Let me clarify . Jesus didn't request that you "be nice to people ". He commanded us to" Love your neighbor as yourself . He also commanded us to "be Holy for I (Jesus) am Holy". He commanded us "to repay evil with good."

There are many instructions on how to handle a fool . It is good to instruct according to Gods word. A christian can not freely be nasty nor can one simply choose not to. He either follows the word of God or does not . He either uses that as his guideline or he does not. Do not preach another gospel. Galatians 1: 8-9

From: sleepyhunter
02-Sep-17
""But if you want to be a Christian then alienating someone who is not , is not the way my friend , He said so. If you are not a follower of Christ , Jesus, then you are also lost , just as lost .""

PI, you're correct to a point. I treat people like Atheist poorly for the fact if he will come here and spread his nonsense he will also spread it younger people that may be more impressionable than the members here. I'll say something about. You can say it's none of my business, I still wouldn't change my mind. Nobody's perfect.

From: Pi
02-Sep-17
I understand Sleepy-h. It is your business and to a point I commend you friend. However, when you defend the faith that you profess then it is best to have your information correct. I am sure you agree.

We should always be prepared to lift others up with the truth. Being snippy also effects the young impressionable minds and is not the path of our Lord. Correct people , that is good . But perhaps ,take a moment and pray first or google the idea from Bible search to say it as our God said it. He did a good job of it.

James 5 : 20 " He who corrects the sinner from the error of his ways shall save a soul from death and shall hide a multitude of sin"

I hope this is received in the best spirit as it was intended.

From: Pi
03-Sep-17
NOTH, I speak only for myself and others can do the same. I experience God.

I have responded several times but do not get direct responses by those who don't believe. It seems that there is a closed loop of back and forth between the two advocates but a poor representation of the faith being put forth by some.

Why bother tossing hate back and forth ? What do people get out of this ? what result do folks expect ?

I ask you only (noth) but others may answer if it is civil . I will exit if it is not. It seems that you can tell one from another (A Christian from an "imitation christian" ) why do you engage with those who can not or do not bring a real challenge to the dialogue ? This argument seems to be between two groups , neither is defending the faith . Why not focus your quest on people that can actually give to you what you say that you want ?

You may find it here (a real challenge to your quest to talk about God ) It can happen anywhere but it seems that people are stuck fighting , being passionate but not persuasive . Perhaps that is really what you seek. I wouldn't know for sure but it seems so. Respectfully , Pi

From: Mike B
03-Sep-17
Pi: I was speaking as much tongue-in-cheek as anything else, and certainly not quoting doctrine.

I agree that "iron sharpens iron", however I'm letting my iron rust for awhile, so it's best we don't go down that road. Fair enough?

From: JTV
03-Sep-17
Love ??... I have no love for you Herd Turd.... I am human and humans have many faults.... I admit, one of mine is I despise your and your ilk.... unlike you, I dont try and hide my faults and try to hide behind self righteous indignation like you do.... now may you go rot ..

From: Pi
03-Sep-17
Mike B, undertood , Quite fair enough. Sorry .

From: bad karma
03-Sep-17
Pi, while I respect you and enjoy reading your posts, Nerd is self-alienating. His last post, where he is now calling others morons and indicating that so many have their heads up their asses, is symptomatic of one who comes by just to crap on the carpet, as a form of despicable sport.

From: HDE
03-Sep-17
For those who do not beleive in God or His Son, that's fine. It's your right because you have that agency given to you by Him. Sorry, that's just how it works.

Choosing a life to exemplify the attributes of Christ is not easy. It is not a "one and done" feel good thing, but a way of life. With all the aspects of life that get in the way, it's easy to let the important things slip from time to time.

He never said it would be easy, He just said it would be worth it. We don't have to be perfect, all we have to be is better today than we were yesterday, do those things He has commanded and His Grace will take it the rest of the way, given to all, whether they believe or not - your reward just may not be as good if you sit the sidelines or actively try to upset His purpose...

From: JTV
03-Sep-17
Pi...dont give ANY leeway to these troll's...they are looking for nothing better than to pull a good hearted person over to their blather and idiocy.... they are nothing but troublemakers trying to get a rise or sympathetic ear ... dont fall for their crap ..

From: Atheist
03-Sep-17
You? Good hearted? JTV, stop. You don't have a clue about what's good and kind. You're an internet warrior sitting in your room blathering about this and that with zero semblance of humanity.

From: JTV
03-Sep-17
isnt it heard to breath from the bottom of the fishgut barrel, all those maggots and such ... but then again, subhumans like yourself may have no problems... we've seen the tripe you come up with... your no angel thats for sure and far from being pure and good... back to your barrel....

From: JTV
03-Sep-17
isnt it hard to breath from the bottom of the fishgut barrel, all those maggots and such ... but then again, subhumans like yourself may have no problems... we've seen the tripe you come up with... your no angel thats for sure and far from being pure and good... back to your barrel....

From: Pi
03-Sep-17
Bad -K, thanks friend , that is kind of you to say. No worries, I have my eyes open .

HDE. Excellent , well done.

JTV. I didn't think I gave any leeway . I am sure I haven't fallen for anything. No one has gotten a rise out of me .

Noth and Atheist have not yet replied .

03-Sep-17
Nerd, you have no clue where Christians are coming from. So don't even pretend to know.

BTW, how many churches are setup to house hundreds of people? We saw what happened in the Superdome. People went hungry & thirsty, some even died, violent acts and rapes were occurring there, etc, etc, etc.

It requires a highly unified effort with a lot of planning, expensive perishable provisions, professional medical aid specialists and highly specialized protection to safely house a number of people in a large facility.

Think about yourself taking in a few strangers into your home. Not simply putting a roof over their heads, but feeding & caring for them, providing medical aid as well as protecting them from some unruly strangers that have wandered in with the rest. Some are not even 'house-broken'... ;^)

Nerd, your imagination is a disaster in the making.....

From: AZOnecam
03-Sep-17
I hate responding to trolls but this is a question that needs to be answered. The United States of America was a dream conjured up by some of the smartest, bravest men who have ever lived. They mostly died in poverty but their legacy remains.

On seeing how every attempt of government had failed, they created a system of self-government. Every one of them relying on the graces of God to do something really unique and special for those who chose to be part of the "experiment".

The results of their labor was a constitutional republic that gave everyone a chance to be a part of what was about to happen.

And the results - the strongest nation ever to live on this earth. Stronger economically, militarily and socially. At her finest, the USA provided jobs, security and prosperity. So much so that people would risk their lives to come here and be a part of it.

Tangent here, but to the originating post, most families were Christian, went to church, led a "God Centered" life. There was reverence for soldiers and boy scouts. Men wore suits and ties, women wore hats and gloves, even high school kids were dressed appropriately and gave respect to their teachers.

Around the 60's when it was pretty clear that we had discovered the path, the true ability to combine science and religion, our foes knew the could never beat us from the outside in. They knew our Achille's heel was to attack from the inside.

They had to destroy the family first, then faith. Sorry ladies but convincing women that their role as homemaker was subservient and making them think their only chance at being equal was to join the work force. That worked out great from a taxation perspective, but left a lot of kids coming home to an empty home.

The once mighty country built on family, faith and community started to erode. Once you take out one pillar, the strong mother from the home, the home collapses. Once the home collapses, the foundation starts to crumble.

It's easy to see how we rose to such prosperity, beat the Nazis, the Marxists, made the world stronger. We are the ONLY country that has fought to eliminate slavery.

This nation rose to be the envy of the world, "with God on our lips".

Since the 60's and early 70's God and Jesus started getting removed - first from the family, then from the classrooms, and ultimately from our leadership in Washington.

It's pretty easy to see that when we were a religious community we flourished, and every since we banished God and Jesus, we've been on death spiral. A country divided, not united. Those communities that are still centered on faith and family are the most prosperous. Those who choose to rely on faith on men, crumble. It's as easy as that.

From: Mike in CT
03-Sep-17
Jason,

Very well said; thanks for posting.

From: Gentle giant
03-Sep-17
There's so much wrong with that post that it gave me a headache. So are you saying we should remove women from the workplace and put them back in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant? And we're we really a country built on family faith and community? Because I recall dogs being unleashed on black kids and firehoses turned on black people. God and Jesus never belonged in any school. And how did Nixons crime fit in with your theory? Should he have just prayed it away?

From: BIG BEAR
03-Sep-17
Jason.... I'm not a religious person and for the MOST part I try to avoid religious discussions here and elsewhere.......But I think I have to chip in my 2 cents on your post. You say our country is in a death spiral since we banished God and Jesus.... but the way I see it... no one has BANISHED anything..... We accept LEGAL immigrants from every corner of the globe,, right ?? Do we do so with the stipulation that they must worship God and Jesus ?? What if they are a Bhudist ?? Some of my most peaceful US Citizen neighbors are Bhudists. I live in an area where MANY of my neighbors are Jewish.... Are they the ones sending the USA into a death spiral because they don't believe Jesus is the son of God ?? My Jewish neighbors are good people. They work for a living.... they don't commit crimes... they are good Americans.... I was born and raised Catholic... but I like to think that I am open minded to all religions and not judge people on their faith.... but their actions....

From: JTV
03-Sep-17
I'd rather have God and Jesus in schools than these school's teaching kids how to have anal sex and how to be a Tranny ....

From: Mike in CT
03-Sep-17

Mike in CT's Link

From: Owl
03-Sep-17
Narcissistic. Definitely. Sadistic? Perhaps. However, to me they appear much more masochistic to me. Piteously so.

From: Atheist
03-Sep-17
Excellent point Bear. I've attended a number of Buddhist meditations and I'd take a Buddhist over a for Christian any day. I recall A quote from a Buddhist : something to the effect of "I like this man Jesus, it's Christian's I don't particularly like"

From: JTV
03-Sep-17
this describes Atheist and his clansmen to a Tee

In this month's issue of Personality and Individual Differences, a study was published that confirms what we all suspected: Internet trolls are horrible people.

Let's start by getting our definitions straight: An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.

What kind of person would do this? Some Canadian researchers decided to find out.

They conducted two online studies with over 1,200 people, giving personality tests to each subject along with a survey about their Internet commenting behavior. They were looking for evidence that linked trolling with the "Dark Tetrad" of personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and sadism.

They found that Dark Tetrad scores were highest among people who said trolling was their favorite Internet activity. To get an idea of how much more prevalent these traits were among Internet trolls, see this figure from the paper:

Look at how low the Dark Tetrad scores are for everyone except the trolls! Their scores for all four traits soar on the chart. The relationship between trolling and the Dark Tetrad is so significant that the authors write in their paper:

"... the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists." [emphasis added]

Trolls truly enjoy making you feel bad. To quote the authors once more (because this is a truly quotable article): "Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground!"

The next time you encounter a troll online, remember:

These trolls are some truly difficult people. It is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them. References

Buckels, Erin E., Paul D. Trapnell, and Delroy L. Paulhus. "Trolls just want to have fun." Personality and Individual Differences67 (2014): 97-102.

From: Pi
03-Sep-17
Atheist ,

A real Christian is as peaceful and Kind as any Buddhist or other decent person . The big difference ,beyond core beliefs , is their destination.

The Buddhist is detached and going nowhere , The Christian has God and His Kingdom above.

That Buddhist who liked Jesus must not have heard His message. Or perhaps he thought Jesus was lying and liked him anyway.

From: BIG BEAR
03-Sep-17
A real Christian...... a real Bhudist...... a real Jew...... all real Americans....... that Atheist guy too.... all welcome to be my neighbor as long as they are good people.....

From: Pi
03-Sep-17
When asked about the desired end state of being upon ones death , after Enlightenment, (Nirvana) The great Buddha replied ...

The answer is not clear, due in large part to the Buddha's aversion to metaphysics and speculation. When he was asked such questions, he merely replied that it was "incomprehensible, indescribable, inconceivable, unutterable."

( In other words he didn't know. He couldn't know.)

References - Vairacchedika 32. or (Vajracchedika ) known as the (Diamond sutra)

From: Pi
03-Sep-17
Big Bear , did you forget a "good Muslim" or " Good witches" or leave them out for a reason ? just kidding, friend . I prefer the words decent or nice because I try to reserve the word Good for the source of Goodness , which is God. But not to be nit- picking with you , I am in total agreement. But still , I will uphold the truth with them. In a Nice way. Basically , I want to know what they think of Jesus and what He said. For their sake, not mine.

From: bad karma
04-Sep-17
"Excellent point Bear. I've attended a number of Buddhist meditations and I'd take a Buddhist over a for Christian any day"

And people, this is what a bigot sounds like.

From: AZOnecam
04-Sep-17
Gentle Giant, I'll start by saying my wife is my best friend. She's a teacher, A business owner and an amazing mother of 3 sons . I can understand your mistaking my post. Respectfully, barefoot and pregnant- those are your words not mine. What I said is that the role of a mother in the home is crucial. Like having a father in the home. Like having a spiritual anchor in your life. If you don't agree with that it's ok. But these people wandering blindly and hurting others in their wake are lost without a compass or any solid foundation.

From: AZOnecam
04-Sep-17
Bear to your point, we have turned our backs on the power that made us great. It has nothing to do with immigration. I honestly don't see where or how you made that leap. I too like Buddhist and Hindus and Jews. All have a core belief that is genuine and kind. But when America lost its core it became lost in the wind.

From: AZOnecam
04-Sep-17
And Gentle Giant, those dogs turned loose on black kids, those fire hoses were the work of the Democratic Party, the home of the KKK. The power that to this day wants to keep black people serving them in invisible shackles.

From: BIG BEAR
04-Sep-17
As long as you are a law abiding asset to the country and not sucking off the welfare tit of the government.... you're OK in my book.... I don't care what religion you practice....

04-Sep-17
JTV, I think you are missing the the point here. This "community" you have here is twenty trolls that have found common cause. Most archers stumble into this den of hate and leave as quickly as they can. How many lefties have you run off over the years? A hundred, two hundred? Based on your back and forth about "another one," is it sport to you guys?

As an archer, I am part of this board. If this was stormfront, I'd be a troll. This "community" needs to stop doxxing folks and descending like a pack of trolls on everyone that strays from a crazy racist, bigoted right wing orthodoxy. The reason I keep coming back is it pisses me off that you have run off every other lefty that bow hunts. It's friggin' ridiculous.

From: Bentstick81
04-Sep-17
Well JTV. The left, has the point, just not the brains to leave. Until they come on here with ACTUAL PROOF, to back the ignorance they spew, the left is going to get nailed because of the BS they try to throw around here.

From: JTV
04-Sep-17
Lefties that pop up on here are the bane of this site and of civilization...your what is wrong with this country...This is why Trump won, people are fed up with the crap from the left....your and your clansmen are just to damn ignorant to realize we will fight your dopes till the end of time... Liberalism, Communism, Marxism, Socialism has no place in this country and yet, this is what your ilk spews....just like the Rules for Radicals, The Antifa hand book and the Rules for Communism. You and your ilk continue to prove why Liberalism IS a mental disorder.... get over yourself spanky, you aint all that, and far from it....

From: Bentstick81
04-Sep-17
nerd," atheist, don't let the bastards get you down." Don't worry there nerd. You two are doing all the work, to yourselves down. Liars sink themselves. We are just pointing it out to you guys, and cheering you on. We enjoy watching you two, make complete IDIOTS out of yourselves. Continue on, by all means. 8^)))))

From: Atheist
04-Sep-17
Aww. JTV wants a site where all of his pals agree and pat themselves on the back until they get all tingly in their nether regions. Well guess what snowflake, the real world is filled with people you'll disagree with. Learn to debate without American calling and illogical arguments and maybe you'll be ok. Maybe. On second thought go back to your corner and whine a little more cupcake.

From: Mike in CT
04-Sep-17
Jason,

Your point was crystal clear and it was miscast purposely; regardless of political leaning that tactic is often employed by those either without a cohesive, factual argument or in possession of one that at least rises to the level of the reasonable and the inability to articulate it.

Any port in a storm.......

From: BIG BEAR
04-Sep-17
What has no place in this country is someone telling me or anyone else how to think or what or who to worship.... carry on.

From: Franzen
04-Sep-17
LHCA, it is you that is ridiculous. I won't argue that there aren't a few here that have some real issues, but very few have ever uttered a racist word. Your whole problem is that your ideas don't hold water, and there are enough intelligent people in this forum that won't stand for the regurgitated garbage.

A couple of your gems;

"I'm going out to snort some coke off a stripper's tits and see if we can't make a story tonight."

...and my favorite : "Now, if we could just fix stupid and get rid of the shitty white people, we'd be golden."

Now please continue with some more lecture on how the folks that were here before you are the problem.

From: Bowbender
04-Sep-17
LHCA

"How many lefties have you run off over the years? A hundred, two hundred? Based on your back and forth about "another one," is it sport to you guys?"

I would venture a guess that the majority (read that as better than 50%) of bowhunters are gun owners as well. As such they tend to be somewhat right of center. As far as running of liberals, no one ran off GJ, Blue Dog, Mark Hogan and a host of others. The difference between them and you, is they can actually debate an issue. They came here to be part of this community not to stir sh!t up. And that is why you are here. And Nerd and Atheist, and Gentle Whatever.... you are here to taunt, disrupt, irritate,.... In fact you guys have stated as such. Derision of Christianity, referring to board members as racists, dumb bastards, assholes, etc..... No, the only reason you are here, is not to be part of this community, but for whatever twisted reason. Wanna know how I know. Cuz I don't see you guys anywhere else on the Bowsite.

You guys are the poster children for EVERYTHING that is wrong with the democrat party. You openly mock and denigrate those of faith, you disrupt and tear down, instead of building. You don't believe in the rule of law. You openly state that you are smarter and superior to those around you. And last but not least, you are LIARS.

Which brings me to me next point...

"As an archer, I am part of this board."

Bzzzzzt!!!! Wrong. You are part of this privately owned board because of Pat's good graces. Period.

From: Mike in CT
04-Sep-17
"You guys are the poster children for EVERYTHING that is wrong with the democrat party. You openly mock and denigrate those of faith, you disrupt and tear down, instead of building. You don't believe in the rule of law. You openly state that you are smarter and superior to those around you. And last but not least, you are LIARS."

Tom,

Well put, and a perfect summation of why the Democrat party continues to lose ground at every level of elective office. They are caught in a death spiral of their own making; with each loss their frustration builds and they lash out irrationally, further deepening the divide between themselves and the backbone of America.

The supreme irony is their behavior is the gasoline that fuels their funeral pyre.

From: Bowbender
04-Sep-17
Mike,

"Well put, and a perfect summation of why the Democrat party continues to lose ground at every level of elective office."

Their "superiority" and alleged intelligence has cost them the House, the Senate, the WH, the SCOTUS. Over 1,000 seats lost nationwide in local, state, and federal elections. Looked up irrelevant in a Thesaurus yesterday. It was a synonym for liberal.

From: sleepyhunter
04-Sep-17
"""Don't let the bastards get you down.""

You're already down nerd, the left is losing it's so called battle with America. With all your whining you still won't change any minds here. Epic fail.

From: Atheist
04-Sep-17
And the right is winning? Ha! Half hate trump, the other half just coddle him and his ego in hopes that he won't screw up their reelection chances. There are no policies enacted, no repeal of Obamacare, the debt ceiling is about to be raised again, so what do they have to crow about? Oh right. Gorsuch. Let's see how he rules before counting on him. Conservative judges have a history of voting centrist.

From: Stalker
04-Sep-17
" And the right is winning? "

Let me fix that for you...and the right is winning. They will continue to do so because 1/2 the country sees Trump trying to make good on his promises and the other half hell bent on preventing it regardless what happens to the country.

My advice...buy plenty of Preparation H BEFORE the 2018 elections because I predict your going to be in a whole world of hurt!

From: elkmtngear
04-Sep-17

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If we did a "pug look alike contest"...you'd win by a landslide, lol!

From: Trax
04-Sep-17
The blind dumb sheep liberal Turd is fat, ugly, and stupid. He's just smart enough to know he can't do a thing about any of them, and they are his best qualities. What he is the poster child for is the blind dumb sheep liberal. Like his hero the race pimp America hating OBOZO he is nothing more than a perverted and confused pile of waste. His kind make it more assured every day that Congress will become more conservative and President Trump will win another 4 years! The common sense citizen loathes America hating pigs like him.

From: Bentstick81
04-Sep-17
nerd,"I just pass over it." You are nothing but a liar. You read every one of them. See, A typical dem reply. LIES! You whine bags can't tell the truth, can ya? And you want to know why people on here bash you LIARS. You just can't trust a LIAR, so best thing for you guys is to start telling the truth, and bring FACTS, not your LIES, to the table.

From: Mike in CT
04-Sep-17

Just seems so apropos.....

From: HDE
04-Sep-17
Whoever said the world is full of people you disagree with is correct. It is. How you debate that differing viewpoint is the true measure of your character regardless of what you believe.

From: AZOnecam
04-Sep-17
Thanks Mike, and same to you.

From: sleepyhunter
05-Sep-17
Thanks for fixing that quote Stalker. Excellent.

Atheist, if you think the right is losing ground in America why are you here?

From: shade mt
06-Sep-17
Jesus never to my knowledge lashed out with sarcasm. I think that is a fault of ours, I do it myself occasionally.

There was no battle at the cross, no struggle, no debating, no jeering ,no sarcastic words said by Jesus. He willingly allowed man to nail him to a cross.

and then..........In the midst of his agony, while man jeered,hated and bartered for his clothing. He simply said...."Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

A thief hanging beside HIM realized, there was no love....no power...no truth. In the people that hung Jesus on the cross .

But that the true power, love and source of forgiveness was Christ.... And he simply asked Jesus..... "father remember me"

There have been many times I stood on a mountain at sunrise and uttered those same words.

Jesus Christ...If you don't know him....find him before its too late.

Men that think they will seek Jesus at , 12:00 ... often die at 11:00

From: Jeff Durnell
06-Sep-17
I've stood in awe of the beauty of nature on some of the same mountains you have, Steve, and can honestly say Jesus never came to mind.

Too late for what? To be 'saved'? Saved from what? Death? A finite end to my life I shouldn't want to face? I'm good with that part of it, bro. Eternal damnation? Yeah, ok. Let's be real, that ain't happening. I have no fear of what will happen to 'me' after my death and won't be one of those 11:59 pm believers for insurance purposes. True freedom and appreciation of this life comes in the absence of any such fear.

From: Owl
06-Sep-17
"True freedom and appreciation of this life comes in the absence of any such fear."

-Absence of fear is not 'freedom.' It is much more likely blissful ignorance or abject psychological latency. For the absence of fear to be freedom, I would think stated fear must be both known and conquered.

Further, increased appreciation of this life is generally correlated to a heightened awareness of its tenuous existence. So, that tenet of your statement makes little sense to me.

06-Sep-17
When your standing in awe, looking out at the beauty of nature, how does Jesus not come into mind? You simply haven't had a true encounter with HIM. The next time you stand on that montain, open your heart and invite Him in. What have you got to lose? You can prove us wrong or it can be the greatest moment of your life. The meaning of stand in awe would completely change for you. Everyone has a testimony of what He's done for them, weather they know it or not. And so do you.

From: Jeff Durnell
06-Sep-17
So one can't have a heightened awareness of their existence without religion? And without, they surely couldn't have intellectually explored it?

Hmmm, and how is it you assume such things about me without knowing whether they're true? Prejudge much?

I didn't say it IS freedom. C'mon. But true freedom living in fear? Good luck with that.

From: Pi
06-Sep-17
Jeff -D, A life lived in the awareness that God is and He suffered for a reason, is a critical moment and concept for those who believe. It is not just for the after life that we encourage one another but also for this life with our fellow man. So that he may have that same awakening to the realization that God is. That acceptance naturally leads to our measure of self and our place under that Being.

If you will , consider this . How is it that we are even able to communicate and to the same point, exist. It is a matter of choice to believe that life came from a dead rock spontaneously and without a force beyond the material and a more reasonable belief that it came from a power beyond that rock.

Nothing comes from nothing but something came from something . It is more than a blind belief to accept a Creator, in fact it is a willful blindness not to. It really take more effort to over ride our own logic and a hardness of heart, to think we are our own cause... That life, has no "will to power", or that it is somehow not subject to the laws of all other governing principles . Is it Magic ? Poof ,and we started to live ...? Spontaneous combustion of life ?

Now that is a blind religion and denies the obvious . Which in our Gods word is called the unforgivable sin . Belief is reasonable, the rest is a learning curve .

Best wishes to you , alone on your mountain.

From: Atheist
06-Sep-17
Oh or crying out loud! One can have an appreciation for nature and yet accept it for what it is. Stop with the Jesus this and Jesus that. The spirit in the sky theory is flawed. Always was, always will be. I won't resurrect (pun intended) the same old argument but have your religion and leave the rest of us alone in our freedom from your religion.

From: Owl
06-Sep-17
"So one can't have a heightened awareness of their existence without religion?" - I never mentioned religion but, point of fact, every human capable of abstract thought is religious. The question is only to whom (or what) and to what end. Religion is a neutral condition for my perspective and its relevance need not be the basis of debate when truth is not even established.

"And without, they surely couldn't have intellectually explored it?" - Again, I never stated that. You are reading into my argument. One can intellectually explore infinite subjects, be vastly improved and wholly wrong, ultimately. The proper conclusion, however, by its nature, can ONLY be singularly true.

"Hmmm, and how is it you assume such things about me without knowing whether they're true? Prejudge much?" - I'm not assuming anything. I am simply addressing what I see as logical flaws in the words you present.

"I didn't say it IS freedom. C'mon. But true freedom living in fear? Good luck with that."

-I don't know anyone who lives without fear, least of all concerning mortality. That is a condition of consciousness and is a self-defeating definition of both "living" and "freedom." Jeff, your characterization of life reads more like a functional delusion than a truth. And that is not good enough for matters as weighty as these. That's my opinion. I just disagree with you.

From: sleepyhunter
06-Sep-17
""Stop with the Jesus this and Jesus that.""

Never going to happen. Learn to live with it.

From: HDE
06-Sep-17
Freedom of religion means freedom of conscience, or the right to act according to the dictates of your conscience. If not choosing to belong to a denomonation or even believing in a "deity" is what constitutes your freedom of conscience, then so be it.

However, DO NOT think for one second that it gives YOU the right to ridicule and bash others who do. If religion is flawed, state why with evidentiary support. I'll wager your next paycheck you have none.

Sneering and jeering others who choose religion are what fools do...

From: elkmtngear
06-Sep-17
Karma...many like Atheist, only attempt to come to Jesus in their last minutes on Earth. It's at that moment that they realize, that all they have waiting for them is dust and decay. Sad and joyless existence IMHO.

From: Tiger-Eye
06-Sep-17
Yes that is true but Jesus saved the good thief on Calgary when he acknowledged Jesus as Lord. Its never too late.

From: Jeff Durnell
06-Sep-17
I was gonna post a response but I've got no axe to grind with you guys and frankly just don't have the time. I'm out. Take care.

From: JTV
06-Sep-17
A clownboy comes on to a web site who goes by the name of "Atheist" .. the site has quit a bit of Christians and Jesus/God believers and those who believe in a higher power and then said clownboy gets pissed when they call this clownboy out on it.... you can make this up...typical liberal idiocy ... 'theist is on here to do nothing but to cause trouble, hate and discontent and troll .... he continues to prove to be the POS we all know he is ... In many ways he is way worse than what the Turd was and is ... LHL is right there next in line ..

From: Bentstick81
06-Sep-17
atheist. One thing you can be Guaranteed of. When Jesus returns, You will hit your knees, as well as myself, and everyone else, and declare that Jesus Christ is Lord. No way around it. If you think so, you are fooling no one but yourself. It doesn't matter what anyone here says, or thinks.

From: shade mt
06-Sep-17
I wonder....If there is no God, No Jesus.....Why then does it bother an unbeilever so? Part of The problem is when professing Christians try to force their belief on others. I Offer it free choice...believe it or not, your call, I don't jam it down peoples throats....

If your so sure there is no GOD, shrug it off and stay in unbelief, Why argue? I could never figure out why we argue as to whether there is a GOD or not. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a Christian.

I am just as convinced there IS a GOD as you are there is not......But one thing is sure....the day will come when we will find out.

And no that is not fear...I have no fear. Just assurance, and when I die....I will die in peace. So be it...

From: shade mt
06-Sep-17
Along with my above post... Lets put the belief aside for a moment, both believer and unbeliever alike.

I think we can agree that there was a man called Jesus, that walked this earth, and we hung him on a cross, it IS a historical world known fact...Now whether you believe HE was GOD in the flesh as I do. Or you believe HE was just another ordinary man.

Think about this........The world of non christians hated him then.....And the world of non christians hate him now....Where does that hate come from? and why do they hate him so? What did he ever do wrong? what atrocity did he ever do to man? Why does the name of Jesus cause so much of a stir? And from where does that hate come?

From: Owl
06-Sep-17
The truth is we are constantly busy influencing each both overtly and covertly. It is inescapable. Again, part of our human and social nature. Religious and political apologetics are more irksome because they happen to threaten particularly fundamental and fragile precepts of our lives. Though, those constructs are the most critical to life. So, in the saddest of ironies, the very things we should most openly and soberly discuss are the matters most taboo. All for sparing emotion. Terribly weak, IMO. If some one wants to have a rational discussion, fine with me. I guarantee I'll walk away a better man even if I have my hat handed to me.

As for the subject of fear, I do have fear of the Lord but not much else. BTW, fearing God is wonderfully efficient because it tends to order life and the trivialities that keep us awake at night fall aside. As a former chronic worrier, I never saw peace in the mundane as a by-product of faith. The thing about God is He benefits those who believe even (or especially) beyond their understanding. But one has to do the work of seeking.

From: Salagi
06-Sep-17
If I am right in my belief and live my life as a follower of God, obeying the principles He has given us through the Bible that a true Christian is to follow, when the end comes I will hear Him say "Well done" and spend eternity in Heaven. If I am wrong and there is no God, then when the end comes there will be no one to say "I told you so!" it will just be over. Either way, by living my life as best I can as a true Christian, I should leave this world a better place for my having been here.

From: Sixby
07-Sep-17
We do not need to wonder whether or not Jesus is God. THe spirit if God witnesses with our spirits that Jesus is Lord. That is the seal of God, His witness to us. That can never be taken away by anyone. We do not have to prove Jesus or God to anyone. That is his job. We are told to preach the Word. The Word does the work if a person is willing to hear it. If they reject the Word of God then they are rejecting the operation of Christ in their own life and they are rejecting the opportunity to know Christ personally by His spirit witnessing with our spirit and the change that comes about in our life by that operation of being born again, not of the flesh but of the spirit of God Himself. So Its not my job to convince anyone. Its my Job to tell you and its your responsibilty to be blessed by God when you receive that Word or to be rejected by God because you have rejected Him. But, whether or not you are one with Christ via the new birth or whether you are still walking in the anti-Christ flesh spirit , your knees will bow and your tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord and Christ. That is not my word. That is God's Word and we should all receive that in belief that this is what it is. The Words of life.

God bless,Steve

From: shade mt
07-Sep-17
The more people argue or debate GOD...the more I'm convinced, there must be something to this. I think its silly to think we can explain GOD. I quit trying to explain it a long time ago. We have the Bible, some of it is literal, some of it is figurative. Do you think John in Revelation knew what he was seeing when he dreamed or had a vision into the future? Would he have known what an automobile was or a jet airplane or bombs exploding in war or whatever? I suppose he described it the best he knew how.

And what of creation? Who can explain it both Christian and non Christian alike? For the Christian that believes in a literal 7 day creation...was it created as a Mature earth? producing already after its own kind? Did it at creation already have the appearance of age? One thing is for certain....Both atheist and Christian alike must agree, it is incredibly complex from the smallest micro-organism to the greatest beast of land and sea.

And you atheist...How did it all come to be and fall in place? It evolve over time? From what? some kinda soup? Where did that come from? an explosion? what caused the explosion? Hydrogen? oxygen? what caused it and where did the elements that cause it come from? You really cannot answer can you? Go back, Back , Back...pinpoint and tell me where is the beginning? and how did it come about?

I am not at war with my fellow man whether believer or not. There is both evil and good in the world that's my fight. And from where does Evil and good come from?

Man? does man alone decide? really? There are native people that are cannibals. Who say's that is wrong? If man has the ability to decide. And what of conscience? If man has the ability to determine right and wrong, what really is right? and what really is wrong?

Who among us here can claim to be perfect? to have never done anything wrong? If man can be perfect...Then Christ died in vain.

The world is full of unanswered Questions of mystery's.

One thing is certain...Every man has the same beginning at birth...And every Man will have the same ending at death, regardless of Race, education or wealth.

Sometimes I stare up into a sky full of stars beyond my ability to comprehend, And yes, we are small, insignificant in comparison. I have no answers to the great mystery's.

I believe....man do I believe. There is something far, far, far greater than myself. GOD, someday i'll get my answers.

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