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They should have thought of this BEFORE they broke our laws.

Bulls-eye! I'd add to this that it should be discussed that these "children", many who are being touted as productive, tax-paying members of society have also had a choice; the choice to attain legal status or to continue to be here illegally. The lack of political will to require these people to follow the law has exacerbated the situation and created a mentality that following the law is a matter of convenience, not necessity.

We don't have that option, neither should they.

The Rock

https://www.thebalance.com/immigrants-in-the-us-armed-forces-3353965

Not sure what would happen to the under age folks.

I don't know the answer. But, I do believe we have to ensure those illegals become citizens through processes and laws already in place or, they and their loved ones get shipped back. Immigration status takes a while and, anyone who doesn't comply or, meet criteria, gets shipped back. That's the only moral proposition I can think of. I do believe that the kids of such actions are to be given credence in this and, the parents that claim to have done this to better their children's lives, should be made to prove that by doing the one thing that will ensure they live in a better place.

It's pretty simple really. Give them 90 days to apply, get started working on the applicants that did apply and, get busy exporting those that didn't. Approve those and their children that make requirements and, export those and their children that don't. The children who came with no parents need to be given the same chance. If they don't comply, then ship them back and dump them out. This isn't as hard as people make it out to be. People know what is right and what is wrong. Even young ones. And, everyone plays by the rules or they get punished. At any age. This isn't a new concept. and, our tax base demands we do this or we are going to sink folks. If they want to stay, become a part of the system or get lost. If this president does what he has hinted on concerning government entitlement, those that stay will be motivated to become a working part of our society versus being like so many spoiled Americans by living off the system. Our economy will dictate that if we simply make take the steps of eliminating the abuse of our entitlement programs.

God Bless

Following closely behind is the benevolence of the left, always extracted via the pen through legislated extortion; supremely easy to appear generous when the well is the labor of others.

Mythology aside, the key focus should remain on the facts; parents made a choice and it is the responsibility of the parents to assume the mantle of that responsibility; they and none other.

It is an inescapable reality that parents of at least school-age children have had many years to act within the system and have again, as they did in coming here illegally, made the conscious choice to not follow the laws of the land.

The argument being advanced is no less nonsensical than the concept of white privilege or critical race theory; concepts designed to legitimize theft-period.

From this point on each of you has a choice as well; engage a myth or stick to the facts. Choosing the latter makes it as easy as breathing to ignore the ramblings of the former.

Trust me, it's a path worth pursuing.

Handing over the great privilege of citizenship to those who have no investment in becoming Americans does far more harm to them than good. And for those of you here who don't understand this simple basic concept, it's a waste of time to try to explain it to you any further. It's like trying to teach a donkey to talk....

Great compassion requires great responsibility. If those immigrants refuse to abide by these simple responsibilities, then they do not belong here. We owe this to our citizens first and foremost.

Bu that said, I'LL go and do it and make sure I have a slide show to show them how their PARENTS did this to them.

Dead on the money; probably far too much simple logic there for the emotion-driven left but well worth repeating.

What about embezzlers or burglars who are “living in the shadows” in fear that someone will discover their crimes? Why not “reform” the laws against embezzlement or burglary so that such people can also come out of the shadows?"....................Dr. Thomas Sowell

A couple of thoughts on that statement. First, if I was king for the day, it's not the king's responsibility to tell the DACA folks they are going home. I'd tell the knuckleheads that created the mess to go tell them. They created it....they own it. Secondly, if the Constitution "gave" them citizenship, we would not be having this conversation. Prez Obama and his vote-seeking Lib buddies are the perps who created this mess.

2. And stop with the "they're costing us an arm and leg". There are more white trash Americans on welfare than immigrants. Further, they work and pay taxes and purchase items all helping the economy.

Can't argue about the "trash" aspect. "Trash knows no color, creed or gender. That said...who is giving the "trash" the welfare bennies? Many of the illegals live in an underground economy. One thing I would do is nail the financial institutions that do money transfers from illegals going outside of the country. Alot of US dollars leave the country and do no benefit for our economy. In fact they take away from our economy and are spent outside of the country. Something is wrong with that picture.

BZZZTT!!!

It's the government that decides if folks can transfer money to folks outside of the country. Your 'evil' financial institutions are simply abiding by current laws.

DACA should be abandoned but by Congress, who should fulfill their duties and take full responsibility for the outcome of their votes. This is a no win for the POTUS which will bleed into 2018 and beyond. Mark my words.

How about if I was the king for the day I would change the law to go after the "evil" financial institutions.

You are not king and in America we respect the rule of law as made by our federal, state and local governments. We don't 'go after' lawful businesses for following the laws.

Your ignorance is stunning. The Constitution does no such thing

Will if they want to dream in this country, we speak English. Learn it. Should me mandatory

First of all, those 'statistics' come from a radical Open Borders group, which is hardly an independent source.

Second, "63% get a better paying job.' Better than what? Besides, doesn't everyone get 'a better paying job' as they go through life?

Third, "54% bought their first car." LOL!! EVERYONE buys their first car at some point!

Fourth, "48% got a job with better working conditions." See point 2 and 3 above.

Finally, "12% bought their first home." LOLOLOL! I thought we were talking about CHILDREN here. Are you saying 12% of DACA CHILDEN bought homes? But even if we're talking about adults, 12% is a very, very, very low figure for home ownership!

Major FAIL!

They have a YUGE wall on their southern border!

God bless, Steve

When the facts don't support your position those are pretty much the only options you have left. I find it ironic that on another thread there's an argument made about abortion and how not liking it is irrelevant as that is the law, yet in this case it is the law that is irrelevant to those who don't like it's application when it's their ox getting gored.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

The fact that none of the emotionally-driven, factually absent crowd have yet to address is the simple reality that parents made a conscious choice to violate the law. Children who have since grown into adults have likewise continued the choice of lawlessness and they, and the every-ready left want, no, demand, unconditional absolution. Failure to grant same facilitates charges of racism, xenophobia, etc; baseless myths promulgated to steer the conversation away from a fact-centered argument (which they lose every time) to an emotion-driven argument. Don't play the game; facts first, last and always.

When I see a factually based, reasoned argument I'll be all ears; when I hear histrionics and baseless ad hominems I'm tone deaf.

Seriously, how hard is this to grasp???

This meme says it all.

If I break into your home and set up in your basement can I stay as long as I REALLY REALLY want to be there? How can you NOT understand this????

And as far as the billionaires go, then CHANGE THE LAWS that permit them to do this. But unlike you, I don't resent someone who's made a lot of money and has managed to use the system to keep it. In fact I ENVY them. I wish I was that smart. Besides, I've never gotten a job from a poor person.

The Rock

Trump has decided to end DACA, with 6-month delay Senior White House aides met Sunday afternoon to discuss how to roll out the controversial move affecting hundreds of thousands of Dreamers.

Truth is, you're standing in a room where everyone is laughing...but you're such a delusional fool you don't even realize they are laughing at YOU.

As for Jesus, at the moment you're lost like Flight 19 in the fog..but, there will come a time when He wants to get your attention, and when He does you'll have no confusion over who's knocking on your conscience.

BTW, you want to see the face of racism, bigotry and hatred in America? Then young feller you best go take good, long look in the mirror.

You are one piece of work. I guess that one struck a nerve. Reality's a b*tch, huh?

There's no shortage of anger; that tends to happen when one cannot summon facts to support a position. It's actually amusing to see the histrionics one usually encounters from a pre-teen denied an extra hour of TV time meted out in a manner that assumes it has relevance; they have no more relevance than a speck of sand on a beach has to a farmer in Kansas.

It's amusing to see them writhing in such angst.....

Gorsuch...Gorsuch...Gorsuch...Gorsuch...Gorsuch...Gorsuch..........!!!!!!!!!!

If you think they're tightly wound now wait until the "moderate swing vote" Anthony Kennedy retires and another strict constructionist gets nominated. Since Shumer already primed the pump with his Quixotic challenge to Gorsuch the left will know there's not a darn thing they can do to stop the next nominee.......

America has worked because it is a nation of laws, not men. When we ignore the rule of law, we are destined to become just one other banana republic. That pen and phone legacy of Obama was a very damaging thing.

And platitudes notwithstanding that reality remains.

No room in the basement...

In that context the analogy Wood Walker made was appropriate; when laws can be ignored we are no longer a nation of laws. Anyone who would advocate illegal actions would have no argument to make about simple theft from their home; sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

Of course to enablers like you what's a minor thing like immigration laws?

As long as it doesn't fit the liberal narrative, anything a white person says will be considered racist, by the largest group of racist and intolerant bigots this side of hell.

Tip - no one gives a sh!t what you think.

The real racist is the one who sees it everywhere and attempts to salve his white guilt by foisting the label on others; sorry, shovel that swill elsewhere.

And Bowbender summed it up perfectly; no one here gives a rip what you think.

The politicians will say, "Now we will actually enforce the immigration laws we do have, get rid of sanctuary cities and NOT let this get out of hand like it did after the 1986 Immigration Amnesty law that Reagan got passed and we then ignored". And the people south of the border will say, "Well this ends our entering the country illegally. Yes, they did reward us for ignoring their laws and coming here because we knew they'd do nothing about it but now that's changed and we won't do it anymore because it's illegal even though we did the exact opposite for 31 years."

Or are you of the mind that we should have open borders and let anyone come and stay, because doing anything OTHER than ending DACA, sanctuary cites, etc, is doing exactly that.

It's like this. You steal your neighbor's dog and keep it for a year. Your kids become attached to the dog. The owner finally finds the dog, and takes it back. Whose fault is it that the kids are unhappy? The thief or the guy who took his dog back? Answer: the thief took the dog without legal authority to do so. Likewise, every negative consequence of this unconstitutional act is Obama's, and should not be laid on Trump's doorstep.

Unless, of course, you're blinded by Trump derangement syndrome.

How so? Because only blacks are pimps? There are no white pimps?

That line of thought, good sir, is what is racist.

Children born here are US Citizens even if their parents aren't. Breaking laws has repercussions. A sole provider of a family can break a law in some states such as having personal Marijuana in an amount that could cause him to go to prison. His whole family could end up homeless and lives ruined. It happens. Don't preach about poor illegal aliens being victimized.. ILLEGAL, contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.

Scroll to the :46 mark to skip the unintelligible chat that precedes Sessions' remarks.

We all know Trump doesn't want to see these young people get booted from the only country they ever knew (in most cases). But this is out of his hands. Thanks a LOT Obama....

When Obama failed to obey the constitution by making this an executive order, Obama himself stated 22 TIMES that he cannot make DACA a permanent law, so he made, what he called, "a stop-gap measure". And he stated that Congress will need to act further if this is to become a law.

So Trump has put this issue in the hands of Congress, so they have a chance to actually do their job again. I won't be shocked if they balk again on this issue too.....

Leftists predictably refuse to acknowledge these key facts, and in many cases, they do that intentionally just to whip up a frenzy based entirely upon lies. What Bernie Sanders said...yelled today was one example of this patented outright leftist LIE.

Again... Way to go President Donald J Trump!!!

A new letter to the president by 105 law professors makes clear that the DACA program is lawful and constitutional. DACA is a form of temporary protection from deportation known as “deferred action.” Deferred action is one way in which the executive branch historically has exercised discretion over whom should and shouldn’t be deported from the United States. DACA specifically grants people who came to the United States as children, pass a criminal background check, and meet educational and other criteria permission to live and work in the country on a two-year, renewable basis. It's within the discretion of the executive branch. Therefore obama was not acting outside of his powers.

Hillary LOST!

Get over it.

As your hero Obama said, "Elections have consequences."

That means C O N G R E S S.

Obama couldn't make laws. That's why he stated 22 TIMES THAT HE CAN'T MAKE DACA A LAW.

Wake up to reality.....

Normally when you use another's work, quotes are regarded as is attribution. Even though you plagiarized another POS, it's still plagiarism. I realize how hard it is to sound intelligent, being liberal and all. But at least try to hide it.

Only 105?

ROTFLMAO!!

I could find several thousand who would agree DACA went way beyond the authority of the executive branch and is unconstitutional.

Are you familiar with The Constitution?

I suspect not, so see the link. https://usconstitution.net/const.txt

Try going back to telling us Jefferson was a Republican even though he died 28 years before the Republican Party was founded. LOL

You have zero credibility here.

ZERO!

Think those attorneys need to get their tuition money back from the Cracker Jacks School of Law...

Talk about avoiding the question!

Atheist wins the prize for that!

Perhaps this highly touted Constitutional scholar might have understood that laws are created by the Legislature and not a magic pen...

Until reality sets in...

https://www.quora.com/Is-illegal-immigration-a-violation-of-civil-or-criminal-law

In the United States, illegal immigration is a violation of criminal and administrative law, but not civil law.

Criminal vs Civil vs Administrative law

People that enter the United States without being inspected by an immigration officer at a port of entry can be criminally charged with 8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien. Also under 8 U.S.C. § 1182, they are considered inadmissible under administrative law and can be processed for Removal from the United States.

I guess some people got less than a "rudimentary education"........

14 THINGS THE MSM WON’T TELL YOU ABOUT DACA

WRONG... A misdemeanor is a CRIME in the United States. This equates to a duii...which you do some jail time for automatically, and suffer upwards of $20,000 of loss for in various forms.

A speeding ticket is a VIOLATION, of which the penalty is a simple citation, and requires NO court appearance. (Unless you are so stupid that you can't get enough of them)....

But I spose all dats well over yo hed, too.....

Douschebag!!...you just got your ass handed to you!! Now go away...and take it with you!

Is that not what is going on right now..... as it stands? Trump WANTS the DACA and wants it made into law..... not to remove it?

Which is it? What are the facts?

What does TRUMP want to happen? Eliminate or made it law?

A while ago he sounded like he wanted to deport. Then he took some heat for tweeting that and has switched what he wants so see happen, he now (or his latest tweet) wants DACA and have it made into law. His leadership in a good many important issues is either lacking or all over the place.

Yes congress needs to act. So does Trump. He has the box to speak from. Instead he tweets all over the map. And everybody is ok with that? Where does HE stand?

What do YOU want him to do...... what was it you thought he promised to do?

Compare Deportation to Abortion? That really helps...Moron.

The others do not.

Then-candidate Donald Trump, speaking in Arizona, September 1, 2016: “NO AMNESTY! For those here today illegally who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and only one route: to return home and apply for re-entry under the rules of the new legal immigration system.”

Last night, after dining with the president, Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer and House minority leader Nancy Pelosi issued a statement declaring, “We had a very productive meeting at the White House with the President. The discussion focused on DACA. We agreed to enshrine the protections of DACA into law quickly, and to work out a package of border security, excluding the wall, that’s acceptable to both sides.” President Trump, in a series of Tweets this morning: “No deal was made last night on DACA. Massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. Would be subject to vote. The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built. Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!…..”

Er, yes, Mr. President, that is what is generally what “no amnesty” means. President Trump concluded, “ . . . They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own — brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security.”

Ann Coulter reacts this morning: “At this point, who DOESN’T want Trump impeached?” That’s the author of In Trump We Trust. Now she tells us!

Congressman Steve King of Iowa, another big Trump supporter in 2016, reacts this morning: “Unbelievable! Amnesty is a pardon for immigration law breakers coupled with the reward of the objective of their crime. If AP is correct, Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible.”

Breitbart.com goes with the headline: “AMNESTY DON . . . DEMS DECLARE VICTORY AS TRUMP CAVES ON DACA”

How bad is it? Bad enough to shake the faith of Sean Hannity! Hannity: “If POTUS doesn’t keep that promise [for a wall], and goes for amnesty, it will be the political equivalent of ‘read my lips, no new taxes.’”

In fact, when you look at President Trump’s biggest fans from the 2016 campaign, a recurring pattern emerges — even before reports of last night’s deal. Julius Krein, founder and editor of American Affairs: “I can’t stand by this disgraceful administration any longer, and I would urge anyone who once supported him as I did to stop defending the 45th president. Not only has the president failed to make the course corrections necessary to save his administration, but his increasingly appalling conduct will continue to repel anyone who might once have been inclined to work with him.”

Mike Cernovich: “I don’t want anyone to think of me as a pro-Trump guy. I’m going to specifically reject any kind of branding about pro-Trump or whatever . . . Do you gain anything by risking your reputation, your career, your business, supporting Trump? What is the upside? Backing Trump has been bad for business.”

Stephen Bannon, upon his departure from the White House: “The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over. We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else.”

Caitlyn Jenner: “I apologize to all of the trans community. I made a mistake. I will never do it again and I’m getting rid of the [Make America Great Again] hat.”

Gee, if only someone had been around in 2015 and 2016, to warn these poor folks that Trump had no ideological principles; that he was erratic, mercurial and quick to seek out scapegoats; that he had almost no knowledge about how the federal government worked and little interest in learning; that he was temperamentally ill-suited to the daily pressures of the presidency and the inevitable criticism from the press, and that he was more focused on gratifying his own ego and feeling an abstract sense of “winning” than particular policy outcomes or building broad coalitions to enact his agenda . . . I kid, of course. All of these people were warned, time and again, with mountains of history and supporting evidence about Trump’s true nature and instincts. But these folks were completely convinced that they knew better."

We can no longer consider draining the swamp, but pump out the cesspool.

In fact, chances are that whatever these idiots say, expect the opposite to be true.

It's early. I'm going to let this play out. In the meantime, I doubt Trump will ignore the input coming from the conservative base on this difficult and highly controversial political topic.

There is one simple reason why both Democrats and Republicans in Congress do not want the Wall built.

And it isn’t because of the cost.

Despite what the lying little creep Kamala Harris might claim.

"Funding Trump’s unrealistic border wall would be a gross misuse of government funds."

No.

The reason they do not want the Wall is because a Wall can’t be repealed.

As I’ve said before, members of Congress know they have a 95% chance of being reelected. And that means they are 95% certain they will still be in Congress long after President Trump leaves office.

So they are advancing so-called “border security” measures instead of the Wall.

Why?

Because any nebulous “border security” laws can be easily gotten rid of or ignored once Donald Trump leaves office.

But a Wall can’t be repealed.

Unlike the nebulous “border security” they might pass which are about as firm as wet concrete, the Wall is actually quite literally set in stone.

And the last thing both Democrats and Republicans in Congress want is for any Trump policy to outlast them.

We expect that from Democrats.

But we’re getting it from both parties.

See, this is the thing about the Republicans that grates my cheese.

When Obama was President, the Democrats were 100% behind him.

So whenever there were calls to repeal any part of his agenda, their go-to response was to shriek, “We can’t go back! We can’t undo the progress we’ve made!”

But Republicans in Congress are not 100% behind Donald Trump.

And I guarantee you, once the President is out of office, and Democrats advance a repeal of “border security” measures, the Republicans won’t be shrieking, “We can’t go back!!”

Trust me. The Republicans – just like the Democrats — want President Trump’s agenda to be easily erased once he’s left office.

For Congressional Republicans, the MAGA Movement is an aberration – some temporary insanity that has infected voters.

And they are certain that they can ride it out and outlast it.

They want this MAGA Movement to be temporary.

And a Wall is anything but temporary.

This is why I think building the Wall is the single most important thing Donald Trump can do while in office.

And it has to be the one thing that we do not let him waver on.

Constructing the Wall is central to restoring the sovereignty and national identity of the United States of America.

And it will have a lasting effect.

We must fight tooth and nail to see to it the Wall gets built.

But more importantly, we must do everything we can to ensure that people who support the MAGA movement are elected to Congress.

Because at the end of the day, this movement is much bigger than Donald Trump.

It has to be.

At the most, President Trump will only be in office for eight years.

We simply cannot pin our entire movement on him.

The current Congressional Republicans will wait him out knowing they will outlast him.

And, trust me, they can’t wait to undo everything they possibly can.

The only sure way to stop that is to replace them.

This is why it irritates the crap out of me that President Trump is campaigning for Luther Strange instead of Roy Moore.

If I’m right and he’s doing this in exchange for some concession from Mitch McConnell, it is a short-term solution that doesn’t take into account the long-term MAGA agenda.

If you live in Alabama, honey, vote for Roy Moore.

We have to be thinking in the long-term.

And just like the Wall, we need to be set in stone in our pursuit to Make America Great Again.

We can’t let up.

And we cannot settle for compromise.

As I keep saying, we are the Last Surprise.

It was Donald Trump’s Make America Great Again agenda that got him elected. And the cornerstone of this agenda is the Wall.

It is up to us to make it abundantly clear to Congress – and to this President – that when it comes to MAGA, we will outlast them all.