Can you send some smarter reinforcements? The idiots you have pretending to be archers and bow hunters are failing. Please send us some better trolls soon it's becoming boring picking on these nitwits.
.....(snickering as I cash my soros check...). Hey genius, some of us simply disagree with you. There's your tip of the day.
Well, in your case, as in the two latest iterations, there is profound emphasis on "simply" disagreeing, to the point of disagreeing at a level somewhere between an infant chimpanzee with a microphone and a brick.
to disagree is one thing provided your argument is valid. I have yet to hear a valid argument on any subject matter from you or your fellow trolls. In fact I have yet to hear a coherent argument from any of you fellow bowlibs.
It seems that every time you are confronted with facts, reason and logic you retreat to your bridge awaiting new instruction or bring up a new topic.
Atheist: It's ok to have a different view of any particular issue discussed here, as long as Pat keeps letting you. So far he keeps letting me. The majority of these guys watch a lot of reality TV and are what I refer to as "Reality TV Republicans." They don't represent Conservatism. I apologize for their attacks on your character and inability to argue an issue without attacking you personally. They learned it from their leader and they follow. Most BowSiters I have met in person are pretty solid folks who are friendly and realize we all have our opinions (even though mine is right; ). I do have to ask you about your screen name. That seems like you are looking to get a reaction? I don't mean to be rude about that, but I do want to point out that Einstein, Carl Sagan, Steven Hawkins and Kelly Wendlandt (ok, the other 3 are just a tad bit smarter; ) all agree our energy goes somewhere when we pass. I would recommend you look into some of the theories on where and why. There's a pretty cool book and guy who lived 2000+ years ago who I can tell you about-if you are ever interested PM me. Kelly PS: Remember guys, I want everyone hear to dislike me equally!
Sharpstick - GJ was still in California last I knew. He got tired of arguing his points and although he never admitted it, I think he decided even he couldn't defend Obama anymore. He was actually pretty sharp and when he debated, he was (mostly) courteous, thoughtful, and tried to be logical even when his logic was flawed. I had the privilege of listening to him and Tennbow debate in person not too long before Tennbow passed. He did a good job and admitted he got owned that night. ;)
its easy to see B&A is on the wrong side again, he has always leaned left .... I can promise that no one here being a conservative watches reality TV, the only ones with that warped sense of reality is the left ... hell, B&A dosnt even know what a true conservative is, he sure as hell isnt one .... B&A is another LeftHandLouie/Herd Turd/'theist sycophant .... apologize your ass, another #neverTrumper apologist kissing the dupa of those on the left.......B&A drops in only to drop a smelly load then runs and hides ....
JTV and itshot, you guys prove my point right-off the bat. You don't know the difference between left and right. And you are certainly not Conservative. Conservatives don't treat people the way you do. Even when they don't know them. As far as me leaning left, that's a clever one. I could not have seen that one coming. Brilliant! What particular issue do I lean left on? Follow me and I will show you the way to Conservatism. Nav: Read through the comments and they illustrate how a large group here attacks fellow bowhunters but don't address a particular issue with facts and reason. They watch the TV and follow their leader. Maybe not all. JTV/ITSHOT, Others: I'll give you a hint. Conservatives treat people with respect. Conservatives do go bankrupt. Conservatives don't talk about women in negative terms. Your reality TV idols does, and so do you. But your not Conservative. We will continue to treat others with respect and win arguments on truth and merit. Attack all you want. If you haven't figured it out, I'm a long way past caring what you think. But I do care about what is right. And it's not right the way you guys treat some of these new guys who come to the site. You should be ashamed of yourselves, but you are not. You learned that on your reality TV shows I suspect.
Meant to say: Conservatives do NOT go bankrupt. JTV and ITshot had me all riled up there. itshot: I'm not sure who Paulz is, but he does have a new friend. Paulz, glad you are a bowhunter on bowsite and thanks for commenting and giving a different perspective to the issues that are discussed here.
B&A is just another butthurt #neverTrumper, one who just jumped in the brokeback bed of a known liar and punk... yea, I take on all those that want to tear down this country ... go ahead and defend a full blown lefty on his beliefs and liberal ways....what does that say about you ....Rino,/#neverTrumper/Liberal/Democrat ??? ... and for sure not a conservative ... any relation to Josh ??
Boner arrow complains that people attack others personally instead of debating issues as he calls people reality tv watching fake conservatives. Must not be any mirrors in his house on the one way street.
I'm not sure if you have a point, but I do. You are disrespectful to these new guys on the site who have a different opinion that you do, and it hurts the bowhunting community to drive others away IMO. And I just don't see a good reason for it. Bad Karma has it right. Respect is earned. JTV, I don't know Josh, but I am sure in person he is a fine person, probably like you are. You guys seem so angry. Go grab your bows and hunt. It makes all the worlds problems go away. As far as being a brokeback, butthurt something…I think that's a yes? wink.
Dude, it's not just having a different opinion. Belittling people here that these newbies don't know right out of the gate flushes any shot they have of getting any respect. Whatever happened to the new guy showing up and not start by telling the long term Bowsite folks that they are ignorant, racist, or too stupid to see that they are worshipping an imaginary figure? There are a lot of good, decent and smart people here. To immediately calls them racists speaks for the ignorance of the one making that claim.
Boner mommy , this is a campfire you don't get to walk into camp and piss in the fire and take a dump on the picnic table and then cry when you get treated roughly. If your man enough to do the above it's fair enough to assume you are man enough to take the beating you have coming. How about you take off the apron and put down the tissue and let these tough guys take their lumps and maybe build their character a little?
Bad, I completely agree that there is no room for belittling people here. It makes no sense. I don't understand why folks act the way they do, but I think as bowhunters we must hold ourselves to a higher standard and it is incumbent upon us to show people how to act. I consider us throw backs. Honorable, honest and hopefully always striving towards the highest character. By showing respect to others, including those we don't agree with, I believe we set the tone for who fits and who does not. But I'm old. As Yoda would say: "too old." We won't all agree on these things, and I'm probably the odd man out as JTV, Whitey (BTW, just saw the "boner arrow" comment-you clever dog) and itshot have pointed out. I won't chime in again on it-you guys know my opinion by now which is to take the high road and lead by example.
" Honorable, honest and hopefully always striving towards the highest character."
If you truly believe that then you don't want to buddy up with PaulZ because hesheit's the exact opposite. If you want an example of someone who really does give a bad name to bowhunters and any other human being with a scintilla of integrity hesheit would be choice #1.
"It's ok to have a different view of any particular issue discussed here, as long as Pat keeps letting you. So far he keeps letting me. The majority of these guys watch a lot of reality TV and are what I refer to as "Reality TV Republicans." They don't represent Conservatism. I apologize for their attacks on your character and inability to argue an issue without attacking you personally. They learned it from their leader and they follow."
I don't know about the reality TV part but sadly there is a lot of truth to the rest of it.
I don't subscribe to the notion that you have to earn your stripes here before you can offer an opinion here. I don't care if you've been here 2 days or two decades, either your opinions stand up to the scrutiny of the rest of the "community" or they don't. Either you can defend them or you can't. I have more respect for a brand new poster that offers up their own well reasoned opinion (even if I disagree) than someone who has been here for a decade or longer and they only thing they can offer are links to fake news sites, unsupportable conspiracy theories, childish name calling, or the regurgitation of someone else's opinion, right or left, when the that opinion has little or no basis in fact.
As to attacks on someone's "character," character is open to scrutiny, just like any theory, opinion or position. It can either be supported or in can't.
Having said all that, if your first posts out of the gate are cordial and meant to encourage conversation, expect the same in return...from most. If your first posts are confrontational and meant to inflame, expect the same...or expect to be ignored.
I know of no group where someone could show up and almost immediately start calling the members of the group racists, morons, etc, all while proclaiming his intellectual superiority without providing a bit of useful information, and be welcomed. Nor should there be.
I'll tell what is comical, are these siding with the lefties/Dems ...if a dem/lib can hold a decent argument that s one thing, they cant .... these dopes come here to troll and start trouble...if one cant handle a tad of heat, stay out of politics and the discussions there of.... also, if one is looking for an "intellectual argument", my suggestion is to go join Mensa or the Debate team at Berkeley .... safespaces are always available ...
I understand what you are saying BK but the CF isn't really a "group" as much as it is a public meeting place where a variety of different subjects are discussed by virtual strangers. Yes, I understand that some posters are friends outside this forum but most are not. Some people act as if the forum "belongs" to the conservatives, or that if you aren't a conservative you are not welcome to participate or that you must walk on egg shells if you do. I don't happen to see it that way, even though I happen to be a conservative. Heck, I've been called much worse than what you describe, and by far the worst behavior I've seen here has been carried out by who claim to be conservative.
Someone calling me a racist or a moron doesn't bother me in the least. It only shows their own stupidity and lack of any substantive argument.
"I'll tell what is comical, are these siding with the lefties/Dems..."
Actually, what is "comical" is the notion that anyone is "siding" with the "lefties/dems" (unless of course they are referring to those who share their political beliefs). Actually, I take that back. It's not "comical," it's sad.
Anyone who cannot differentiate between supporting someone's right to have and voice an opinion, and supporting that particular opinion, is not particularly perceptive.
Yes. Humor is universal. Lobbing insults and being sophomoric is the center piece of my relationship with all my friends. It's why we are so close after 40 years. No one takes themselves too seriously and if they do the humor gets directed at them until it's uncomfortable enough that they get the point. i would rather have someone tell the truth and be course if they have to rather than sneak of and mumble in their beer and play nicely nice.
A) Trolls do not want legitimate debate. They want to provoke, deride and demean gratuitously.
B) That does not matter. As I age, the more I see personal conduct and character as one of the "unshakable" tenets of a life. At least, they should be not as fickle as the musings of a simple provocateur.
""Stop with the Jesus this and Jesus that. The spirit in the sky theory is flawed. Always was, always will be. I won't resurrect (pun intended) the same old argument but have your religion and leave the rest of us alone in our freedom from your religion.""
Atheist wrote this on another thread. If he gets his feelings hurt when people slam him for pushing his beliefs when he knows the majority of people here are Christians. Then offering an apology to him is unnecessary. That said, he is free to post here as anyone else, it's not our website. I'll respond by telling him the truth. Some people don't like being told the truth, but it's all we have when we post here.
There was that one but also one where as Fauxdoc (Dockeating) he tried to pass of a "live hunt"; the problem was he used pictures of "his hunting location" that were easily traced to a hunting article/magazine or such.
After that he soon scampered nervously away from that false registration.
Hey, as Randy pointed out it's obvious what the intentions are when these people pop up out of nowhere and start attacking obvious targets; you can recognize the idiocy and refuse to validate it (IGNORE) or you can think you're dealing with it, either by lobbing mortars of your own or trying to pick apart their arguments.
The lobbing mortars only brings you down to their level and it's pointless to engage in a point-by-point dissection because that presumes that they're interested in an honest debate; they're not-they're merely interested in seeing how many people's skins they can get under; nothing more, nothing less.
Silence is the best and strongest rebuke for these trolls and allows you to maintain your standards and your dignity.
Thanks Bownarrow. and for the rest of you, please stop wth the though that you have to be here a certain amount of time before giving your opinions. You sound like schoolyard bullies. "Hey this is our slide and you can't use it till we say so!!" I've earned the right to speak, I don't disparage although i will defend myself. Don't like it? Don't respond and don't ask for a liberals opinion. I've started posts with only the intent to create debate. It's been met with bile and crass name calling, Which is fine but then don't go screaming that it's the liberals that are creating the noise. Something about stones and glass houses and all?
It should be said that in fact, no one here has "earned" the right to speak; we have a host who has graciously provided us with a forum to express ourselves, hopefully in a polite, respectful manner, but it is a privilege, not a right.
All our host has required is that we arrive here via an honest introduction; those who consistently refuse to comply with the most basic precept of an honest conversation have no standing with which to proclaim either outrage over treatment (though, as I alluded to above, respectful discourse is the decorum that all should strive to maintain) or a "right" to give voice to anything at anytime on this forum.
To posit anything to the contrary given that reality is the height of hypocrisy.
"I've earned the right to speak, I don't disparage although i will defend myself. Don't like it?"
You might have more than a molecule of credibility on this "I have earned the right to speak" if you were posting under a real name, and not using a handle deliberately intended to inflame people of faith. But your self-entitlement, likely born of too many participation trophies and a liberal school education, makes you think others owe you something, when we don't owe you crap.
"I've started posts with only the intent to create debate. "
Nose grow a foot, or two feet, after you wrote that sentence?
With all due respect, while I understand the reasoning behind the CF registration requirements, and for the most part I agree. However, based on past behavior of some of the regulars here, and their willingness to attempt to negatively affect other poster's livelihood for nothing other than having outspoken opinions that differ from their own or from the consensus opinion, I can fully understand why someone would be hesitant to register with their real name.
Some of the things I've seen take place here are down right sick, if not criminal. In my opinion, those actions should have been, and should be, reason enough to be permanently banned from the site.
KPC, I can only think of one instance where someone's livelihood may have been affected by actions of one person here but that was after about 18 months and perhaps 30 fake registrations by a guy who was thrown off a couple dozen times for coming here for no other purpose than to antagonize other people who are here legitimately so at some point, enough is enough and I don't fault anyone for that particular incident except Sybil himself.
Further, if my memory serves me, said Sybil attacked the integrity, and therefore possibly the living of several here, on several different occasions, so that incident you speak of may well have been self defense to some degree.
Once is one too many Spike. I agree with KPC. No one has esteemed the various iterations of the troll incorrectly. It is what it is, no doubt. The reactions, however, are occasionally disturbing to read. Good men are throwing their pearls before swine at the simplest of provocation.
Besides, think of the public service we are offering. If we weren't dealing with the psychosis of Paul?, some other poor site would.
Very true, but it hasn't just been once, nor has it been just to the "Sybil" poster as some would like to suggest. Those that do suggest that it is either have very short memories or they are simply not telling the truth.
It wasn't that long ago (during the Presidential primary) that a certain bear outfitter in Canada was targeted with such behavior, just for speaking out about certain candidates, and having the audacity to weigh in on US politics when he is a Canadian resident.
No, this is most certainly NOT an isolated incident, nor should it be seen by any normal person as acceptable behavior.
'Theist, you come here with one thing in mind ... to disrupt and cause trouble ... all one has to do is look at your handle ... don't try And sugar coat it and play the victim for sympathy ... some here are ignorant enough to buy in to your tripe ... your no different than or you are that "Resist" dude or Sybil ...
When a person falsely registers here, he's lying about who he is. When the first thing a person I've never met before does is lie to me, I will never trust anything else they say.
I put these people in the same category as I do 'spam calls' which use a caller ID from a reputable company, when in fact they have no connection to said company and are just 'stealing' the name in hopes you'll take their call.
Why in heaven's name would anyone ever buy a product from a person who starts the relationship by lying to you?
Those that lie and have fake registrations are the same as the Antifa/Resist anarchists hiding behind their masks. .... there is nothing I don't type on here that I wouldn't say to a person face to face ...
"Why in heaven's name would anyone ever buy a product from a person who starts the relationship by lying to you? "
For the same reason someone would want to do business with someone who would seek to affect someone's livelihood because of a political argument they had on the internet.
Someone pisses someone off on a hunting site so they attempt to track them down and negatively affect how they feed their family? I don't care how people try to justify it, that kind of stuff is just sick. How about ignoring them? Now that's a novel idea. Is someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to engage? In reality, when they get you to engage, they win...that's what they were seeking in the first place.
What's sick, Kevin, is going to an online site with the sole intention of disrupting the place, lying repetitively, doing it on the taxpayers' dime and the taxpayers' time, then bragging about how you've done it all with your boss's full approval and knowledge.
If you work for private industry, that's one thing. But to do it on the taxpayer's dime and time is a whole 'nuther thing.
I've said all I'm going to say on this thread Kyle, but let me just reiterate.
The notion that this type of behavior was/is limited to one individual who is a public employee is simply not true. I've watched it happen numerous times, to numerous individuals, and it had nothing whatsoever to do with them being on the taxpayers dime or time. What it is, in my opinion, is some individuals' thinking they have the right to exact their own version of vigilante, quasi retributive justice on others.
" Those that do suggest that it is either have very short memories or they are simply not telling the truth."
Either I dont remember it, (my memory let me down a little), or I did not know about that bear incident, but I like how you like to take every opportunity to impune other people here who you just dont like, KPC, all while playing holier than thou!!!!
I knew it !! ... all the same puke ... and some want to play nice with this jackass and its alters ..... now, for the mods/Pat to kick all the alters off and then start with a clean slate till it comes back ..
NvaGvUp, I wasn't banned. I've just been hunting. Couple of points:
I'm real. Been a member of Bowsite for at least five years. Mostly lurked around the Leatherwall - Sold a Centaur, couple of Toelkes, and Hoyt there. Shooting a Caribow recurve, Mathews Halon X and a Centaur ILF rig. Been hunting since 1977. Started bow hunting in 2005.
I definitely didn't throw the first punch. I've never doxxed anyone and I really do think this "community" is dominated by a noxious bunch of racists and bigots that apparently post on this site a lot during bow season. My family has killed a lot of Nazis and Confederates over the years. Anyone that sees merit in their positions is a traitor in my eyes. There are no statues of Hitler or any other Nazi in Germany and amazingly enough they remember their history.
You may not like the fact that I am gun toting meat eating progressive that could kick your ass six ways to Sunday, but the fact is that is who I am.
I've been hunting 12 of the last 21 days. Based on your presence on this board almost every hour of almost every day, I'd say you haven't been hunting yet this year.
Elk, black tail, white tail, and bear tags to fill. Gotta go.
You'd feel better lefthandedmasterbater if you admitted you're nothing but a blind dumb sheep and a first rate punk. Go ahead, trust me you will feel better. Now once that is done you're free to go to your Black Lives Murder meeting
Lefty leaves a resume , lists a bunch of bows, calls everyone a Nazi/confederate/traitor and he's tougher than Ebola but never threw the first punch. Apparently he is dumber than a bag of hammers for hanging around everything he hates. Lefty why would you want to hang around a bunch of people you dislike so much? If everyone here was like you I wouldn't even bother to read it let alone post. Btw the leatherwall has exactly the same kind of people they just cannot post their contempt for your kind. I am willing to bet almost every hunting related site is the same.
Guess I'm pushing back Whitey.Why is bowsite yours? Because you're conservative? Because the owner's conservative? You guys hid behind your keyboards and spew venom and want a pass. I'm calling you on it and your whine and cry. Snowflakes ala Palanchuik.
JTV, Is that all you've got? You are truly the "king" of cut and paste.
lefty, atheist, resist, FREEloader, are all dems, that are doing what the dems are doing. Attack, disrupt, and act like total dip$hits to everyone that likes Trump. Pi$$ on the morons. I've got grandchildren, that $hit more brains than all three of these clowns combined. I also will add that they all treat, and act like they should, or they get their a$$ wacked. Unlike the upbringing the dems, morons, were raised.
Lefty , bowsite isnt mine. It's a place for like minded people that have something in common. Liberal hunters are rare in my expierience. I went to an arts party last week that was overtly liberal. We discussed topics we had in common but everything turned in to a Trump bash. It was their party, I could have argued and beat everyone of them into the ground with facts and then beat the crap out of every one of them.Why would I ruin their party and make myself look like an ass? It was pointless to resist and nothing would change if I did. A smart person walks away. Besides I doubt you would last here with facts only on any topic.
I don't think any of us needs to see full names, emails or any other forms of ID; I do feel though that the person or persons who handle user registrations should have that type of data that is solely in their purview and solely to verify that each new registrant is a legitimate contributor.
I also would like to see, and know it's possible to have a unique identifier system that would prevent banned posters from resurfacing days later with a fresh, fake registration. I think that would protect privacy as you correctly point to while maintaining registration integrity.
As I mentioned above, and as echoed by Whitey's "no one owns this site", we're all guests here; each enjoying the privilege that the site owner is gracious enough to bestow. From time to time he has openly opined about the future of the CF and whether it should be kept alive or not.
He might be weighing that prospect now; lord knows there's ample reason for it just on this thread alone.....
NvGaUp, Just bearing witness. Sorry it's uncomfortable for you guys. My logic is easy. If you support nazis, racists, confederates, and white supremacists, you are one. Sorta like terrorists. You don't have to be the suicide bomber to be a terrorist. You can be the guy that pays for the raw materials and the web site.
The Yukon has better internet access than Routt and Boulder County. Pretty impressive.
Those posts were several years in and after I was doxxed, insulted, and attacked by a noxious bunch of racists and bigots, and yes snowflake, there are sh!##y white people in the world and quite a few of them post on this forum.
I was just following the communities de facto rules and coming back at ya with a little bile.
No, no lefty, you don't offend me. You make me laugh! I love to watch blind sheep chase that stub they call their tail. I hate all socialists lefty, that would include Nazi's. I hate all supremacist's so called, no matter the color. I'm am well versed in the history of our years leading up to and during the war between the states. You, are obviously not. Don't fret, most sheep aren't.
LHL, not one here supports racists, nazi's or white supremacists ..... I'm a northerner born and raised, the son of a US Steel Craneman (40 years he was) ... my mothers side were pioneers and my Dads side immigrants from Czech. and they came in thru Ellis island and at one time all worked for US Steel...I'm from a Steelworker family and we are some tough people .. ... not a racist bone here ... I cant stand liberal democrats, they have trashed this once great country and your proving my point every time you type.. .... BTW, I'm a former USMC Sniper .... I'm proud of who I am and where I came from and very proud of my country, enough so I was and am willing to die for it ... suck on that for a bit .... smh ..
Sleephunter, Exactly, Nazis are ashamed of their heritage. You should be too. You need to reject the past and stop trying to paint the turd (the turd being the confederacy). Lincoln is one of the major reasons the United States is the greatest nation on earth, and he had to crush the the Confederates to make it happen. Sorry some of your ancestors were losers , but the idea that it is okay to support traitors because you were related to them is insane.
Nva. Lefty lies, and shows no proof of anything with his third grade mentality. The dem mentality, If you can't get what you want, call it racism, nazi's, and lie about it, because they have others that will swear to it. And yet lefty, and his goons, think Trump is bad??? Comical. 8^)))
A leftist pig and a blind dumb sheep who calls himself lefthandedmasterbater getting it on together! Not that there's anything wrong with that! Great comedy, better than Seinfeld reruns! Abe baby did great things and most terrible and dark things lefty, he could have been brought up on charges of treason and hung if the founders would have been around. His attack on Habeas Corpus and his misuse of martial law for starters. His poor handling of the war early on (McCllelan primarily but not solely) just an indication of how clueless he was to the reality of the day. His marching of 150,000 federal troops into Virginia BEFORE they had decided to secede prompting them to do that very thing his greatest blunder among a great many. You've got the intellect of a dry booger.
Trax. Good post. Yes Thank You JTV for your service. I was having lunch today with the Wife, and a Retired Marine Veteran came in, by himself, for lunch. Something came over me, and i bought his lunch. There isn't many of the Ol Timers left. It just really pisses me off, the way the Dems are trying to dump this Country, down the Shitter. I wish that it was Mandatory, that to be POTUS, you must have, to have served in the Military, before you can run for POTUS. The stupid shit that went on the last eight years, would not have happened. No way should Illegal Immigrants, have it better, than the Veterans, and Americans of this Country, like obama has done.
"NvGaUp, Just bearing witness. Sorry it's uncomfortable for you guys. My logic is easy. If you support nazis, racists, confederates, and white supremacists, you are one. Sorta like terrorists. You don't have to be the suicide bomber to be a terrorist. You can be the guy that pays for the raw materials and the web site."
And you follow and teach Bill Ayers doctrine, what a lying hypocrite! UFB
"NvGaUp, Just bearing witness. Sorry it's uncomfortable for you guys. My logic is easy. If you support nazis, racists, confederates, and white supremacists, you are one. Sorta like terrorists. You don't have to be the suicide bomber to be a terrorist. You can be the guy that pays for the raw materials and the web site. "
And by support, what you mean is, "you don't do exactly as I do."
You need to put down that bag of weed. You're just full of the same stuff Hercules removed cleaning the Aegean stables. Just don't expect us to believe your BS because you do.