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Spike Bull 08-Sep-17
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Owl 08-Sep-17
Rhody 08-Sep-17
gflight 08-Sep-17
Two Feathers 08-Sep-17
Brotsky 08-Sep-17
Owl 08-Sep-17
Spike Bull 08-Sep-17
Owl 08-Sep-17
HDE 08-Sep-17
Spike Bull 09-Sep-17
tonyo6302 13-Sep-17
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Pi 13-Sep-17
HDE 13-Sep-17
Pi 13-Sep-17
08-Sep-17
" Thomas Jefferson

His Portrait is on the Two $2.00 Dollar Bill.

This is amazing. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part in RED .

Thomas Jefferson Was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.

At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.

At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.

At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.

At 16, entered the College of William and Mary. Also could write in Greek with one hand while writing the same in Latin with the other.

At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.

At 23, started his own law practice.

At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgess's.

At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America" and retired from his law practice. At 32, was a delegate to the Second Continental Congress.

At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence.

At 33, took three years to revise Virginia's legal code and wrote a Public Education Bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.

At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.

At 40, served in Congress for two years.

At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams..

At 46,served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.

At 53, served as Vice President and was elected President of the American Philosophical Society.

At 55, drafted The Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.

At 57, was elected the third president of the United States and directed the nation’s first war against the Barbary Pirates

At 60, obtained The Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size.

At 61, was elected to a second term as President.

At 65, retired to Monticello...

At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.

At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.

At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.

Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood Actual history, the nature of God, His laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today.

Jefferson really knew his stuff.

A voice from the past to lead us in the future:

John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the White House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe " Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world." -- Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -- Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." -- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government." -- Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.""

From: HA/KS
08-Sep-17
You forgot to add that he founded the republican party many years after he died.

08-Sep-17
I am unaware of that. Please explain.

From: Owl
08-Sep-17
TJ is a treasure trove of wisdom Spike. It's good to have his thoughts moved to the front burner. Thanks.

From: Rhody
08-Sep-17
A few history nuggets I gleamed off the internet:

March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party. Now, the Democratic-Republican (an oxymoron in to days age) Party was an American political party formed by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in 1791–93 to oppose the centralizing policies of the new Federalist Party run by Alexander Hamilton, who was then Secretary of the Treasury and chief architect of George Washington's administration.

TJ died: July 4, 1826

From: gflight
08-Sep-17
"This is amazing. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part in RED ."

When are you posting the 2nd part?

Also, he created his own Bible.

From: Two Feathers
08-Sep-17
We're in big trouble.

From: Brotsky
08-Sep-17
Jefferson was considered a liberal in his day.....

From: Owl
08-Sep-17
Well, given TJ has nothing much in common with modern liberals, what went so horribly wrong with them as time passed?

08-Sep-17
he was also a deist and slave owner who sired offspring with same. should we remove his picture from the $2 bill. Scrub is image from public places? tear down his statues?

08-Sep-17
Gflight, in the original text the second half of that was in red but it didnt copy that way.

The name "liberal" originally refered to those who were very freedom oriented and wanted small government and maximal individual freedoms, thus many early "individualists" were refered to as liberals, to include the early Republicans. The Demons usurped the term for marketing purposes.

TJ did cut and paste two different books from parts of several Bibles that some refer to as bibles. One was a about Christ's phylosophies and the other was about His actions.

TJ was NOT a Deist, he said many times in no uncertain terms that he was a CHRISTIAN, he just believed that Jesus was more interested in your personal relation with his teachings than in any organized religion.

From: Owl
08-Sep-17
The best explanation of TJ's theology was that he was, in the least, "an unorthodox Christian."

From: HDE
08-Sep-17
"an unorthodox Christian"

I wonder why...?

09-Sep-17
When you consider that "Christians" of that era did not consider Catholics to even be Christians you get a different perspective.

He was very much a Christian who believed deeply in Christ but in the way that he acertained from his own very extensive Bible studies was the way that Jesus would want him to be Christian, and NOT the way other 'Christians' of the day wanted him to be Christian.

We are talking about a man who, as a child, could write in Greek with one hand while simultaneously writing in Latin with the other!!! The point is where do you think he learned those languages? At that time most children were educated by translating the Bible from original Latin and Greek texts!!!

This is a man who studied not just the text but learned it backwards and forwards in several languages!! To say he was an independent thinker is to understate the man. He marched to his own drumbeat in all things, including religiousity.

From: tonyo6302
13-Sep-17

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Charlottesville protesters shroud Jefferson statue at UVA's Rotunda, decry school's response to rallies

CHARLOTTESVILLE — One month after white nationalists stormed the Rotunda at the University of Virginia, bearing tiki torches and chanting, “You will not replace us,” a smaller but equally vocal crowd of protesters took to the Rotunda on Tuesday night, covering a statue of Thomas Jefferson in a black shroud.

The group of about 100 U.Va. students, faculty and community members gathered despite the rain to deride the university’s response to the summer’s wave of white nationalist demonstrations.

They covered the U.Va. founder’s statue in black, mimicking the city’s decision to shroud the statues of Confederate Gens. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson in the wake of the violent Aug. 12 rally that resulted in one death and dozens of injuries.

“One month ago, we stood on the front lines in downtown Charlottesville as all manner of white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and neo-fascists swarmed the area,” said a speaker addressing the crowd. “Two months ago, the Ku Klux Klan rallied in their safe space, fully robed and fully protected by multiple law enforcement agencies who brutalized and tear-gassed peaceful counterprotesters.”

With some sporting “Black Lives Matter” signs and many others chanting, the crowd cheered as three protesters climbed the Jefferson statue, adorning it with signs that dubbed the former president a “racist” and “rapist.”

While chanting mantras that have become routine in anti-racist protests, the common chant “No Trump, No KKK no fascist USA” was tweaked, swapping “fascist USA” with “racist U.Va.”

“With every new horror that arises each month, each day, there has been an unparalleled resistance of people who say no to white supremacy, no to fascism, no to all forms of oppression,” said the speaker. “And we recognize and honor the fact that this resistance was not born 10 months ago, but has actually lived for many years: communities of color in Charlottesville fighting for affordable housing, for a living wage, for an end to police brutality and state-sanctioned violence, for education for all.”

The group called on U.Va. to adhere to the Black Student Alliance’s list of demands, formed last month in response to influx of white nationalist non-locals who have used Charlottesville as a rallying point. Published around the time of the Aug. 20 “March to Reclaim Our Grounds,” the list included the demand to “remove the Confederate plaques on the Rotunda” and ban white supremacist hate groups from campus.

The list calls for a balance of U.Va.’s “historical landscape,” and dubs the Jefferson statue “an emblem of white supremacy” that should be “re-contextualized with a plaque to include that history.”

It further demands that the university increase the enrollment of African American undergraduate students, increase the proportion of African American faculty and require all students to undergo some form of education on “white supremacy, colonization and slavery as they directly relate to Thomas Jefferson, the university and the city of Charlottesville.”

From: tonyo6302
13-Sep-17

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From: Pi
13-Sep-17
Well done Spike Bull. Excellent corrections to the unwarranted criticism of this great man. It is a sad day for America when such ridiculous antics persist , (misappropriated frustrations) as 3602 points out .

Hopefully it will be handled well and decency restored.

From: HDE
13-Sep-17
I think there were a lot that questioned the establishment of religion in the mid to late 1700's, hence the religious movement in the very early 1800's.

From: Pi
13-Sep-17
HDE , I think you are talking about rejecting the Catholic institution as opposed to the Christian faith itself . 2 different things right ? Please explain a bit further. If you will . Thanks.

13-Sep-17
one thing is for sure......fun was not on the menu in any of the colonies during the late 1600's. Most of were founded by protestant religious fundamentalists of varying kinds. Mortal enemies of all Roman Catholics during the time. The thought nothing of burning each other at the stake or torturing someone to death if they could catch one another. The protestants were every bit as effective torturers as the infamous Spanish inquisition.

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