Sitka Gear
Vindicated: Obama Gov Wiretapped Trump
Community
Contributors to this thread:
slade 19-Sep-17
Shuteye 19-Sep-17
Ryan from Boone 19-Sep-17
Tiger-Eye 19-Sep-17
Rocky 19-Sep-17
gflight 19-Sep-17
slade 19-Sep-17
Ryan from Boone 19-Sep-17
Sixby 19-Sep-17
Shuteye 19-Sep-17
Atheist 19-Sep-17
Anony Mouse 19-Sep-17
Anony Mouse 19-Sep-17
Bentstick81 20-Sep-17
bad karma 20-Sep-17
Glunt@work 20-Sep-17
Solo 20-Sep-17
Atheist 20-Sep-17
Anony Mouse 21-Sep-17
Atheist 22-Sep-17
Mike in CT 22-Sep-17
slade 28-Sep-17
slade 28-Sep-17
From: slade
19-Sep-17
Trump Vindicated: Report Says Obama Government Wiretapped Trump Campaign by KRISTINA WONG18 Sep 20177,227

U.S. investigators wiretapped President Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to a report by CNN that vindicates the president’s earlier claims, which were mocked as a conspiracy theory.

President Trump had tweeted on March 4: “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!”

Donald J. Trump ? @realDonaldTrump Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism! 4:35 AM - Mar 4, 2017

Breitbart News editor Joel Pollak had reported the day before Trump’s tweet that the Obama administration “sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign: continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found.”

Trump’s claim, and Breitbart News’s report, were mocked as a conspiracy theory, and other news outlets reported that there was no basis to the claims.

CNN itself at the time called the idea that Trump was wiretapped “incendiary.”

But a report Monday evening said U.S. investigators obtained a surveillance warrant on Manafort from a secret court and had monitored him before and after the election, including a “period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.”

The report said the secret court that handles the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act had authorized a surveillance warrant against Manafort for an investigation that began in 2014, looking into his firm, the Podesta Group, and another firm’s lobbying work for Ukraine’s pro-Russian former ruling party.

“The surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence,” a source told CNN.

However, the FBI then restarted the surveillance after obtaining a new FISA warrant that extended early into this year. The report notably does not say when the new warrant was obtained. Manafort joined the Trump campaign as its chairman in May 2016.

The new warrant was “part of the FBI’s efforts to investigate ties between Trump campaign associates and suspected Russian operatives,” according to the report.

The report notes, “such warrants require the approval of top Justice Department and FBI officials” — but doesn’t specify which top Justice Department and FBI officials had approved it.

Former Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former FBI Director James Comey were leading the agencies, respectively, at the time.

The report said the first warrant had already expired when Manafort had become the chairman in May. Before he left in August, FBI investigators “noticed what counterintelligence agents thought was a series of odd connections between Trump associates in Russia.”

A some point, the FBI obtained the new FISA warrant and began monitoring Manafort again — who has a residence in Trump Tower. The story said it’s “unclear” whether the FBI surveillance took place there.

The Justice Department and the FBI denied that Trump was being wiretapped.

Comey later in March disputed Trump’s claims — in testimony that lawmakers could now find misleading.

He told the House intelligence committee, “With respect to the president’s tweets about alleged wiretapping directed at him by the prior administration, I have no information that supports those tweets, and we have looked carefully inside the FBI.”

The New York Times also reported that Comey had said Trump’s claim was false, and that he had asked the Justice Department to publicly reject it, according to the BBC.

James Clapper, the former Director of National Intelligence, also told Congress that intelligence agencies did not wiretap Trump, nor did the FBI obtain a court order to monitor Trump’s phones, according to the BBC report.

From: Shuteye
19-Sep-17
The FBI picked the lock on Manafort's front door in the middle of the night. They knocked on his bedroom door. What I wonder is what would have happened if Manafort had shot one of the agents. I mean it is the middle of the night and someone breaks into your house.

There are ways to get information, like ask for it or get a subpoena. I never heard of skipping all the normal means and breaking into someone's house. Obama and his bunch need to be outed and shown to be the Aholes that they were and still are.

19-Sep-17
its what they do when they think evidence was being withheld or will be destroyed by the accused. Manafort will be indicted. hes been the subject of several money laundering investigations since 2012 so its a wonder why trump would choose such a man to guide his campaign. the real concern should be that Trump was recorded multiple times talking to Manafort. That is "incidental collection" which Which I imagine was Comey's way of saying, "I know there are tapes that prove he committed treason but I won't say it now." things are getting interesting!

From: Tiger-Eye
19-Sep-17
"its what they do when they think evidence was being withheld or will be destroyed by the accused."

EXCEPT IF YOUR NAME IS CLINTON

From: Rocky
19-Sep-17
Tiger-eye, Bada Bing!

The Rock

From: gflight
19-Sep-17
"U.S. investigators wiretapped President Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort"

“Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped""

"James Clapper told Congress that intelligence agencies did not wiretap Trump"

Bit of a stretch.....

Just like the Democrats with the Russia collusion reports spurred from this same story.

From: slade
19-Sep-17
Thanks for the thoughtless blather Glie, maybe you should read the whole article and then some before spewing your same old bs poppycock.

19-Sep-17
gflight is correct, and this FISA warrant wasn't executed by Obama, it was executed by the fbi and nsa. If the wiretap results in an indictment for money laundering or some other crimes, it'll all be a moot point.

From: Sixby
19-Sep-17
So now the FBI and the NSA collect info on US Citizens without any direction or requests? You've surely got to be kidding. Some of the things you say amaze me. Especially true when Rice has already denied and then confirmed that she requested them and that the warrant was extended without direction after the initial warrant against Manifort was filled and canceled. I have a very real problem believing that the FBI or the NSA restarted collection with no request unless Comey did it on his own in collusion with the liar Clapper. Birds of a feather that should both be in prison and everything either of them claim completely ignored or destroyed.

God bless, Steve

From: Shuteye
19-Sep-17
Clapper says he knows of no wire tap and Comey says he knows of no wire tap. They are both either liars or it didn't happen. They both are in deep doo doo if there was a wire tap. Manafort says to release the information, he isn't worried.

From: Atheist
19-Sep-17
Comey was asked if Trump was wiretapped. He said no. He was correct. Manafort was wire tapped. Comey was also asked if he knew if trump was recorded in any incidental recording. He refused to answer as it was classified at the time. I see no wrong doing by Comey.

From: Anony Mouse
19-Sep-17

Anony Mouse's Link

From: Anony Mouse
19-Sep-17

Anony Mouse's Link

From: Bentstick81
20-Sep-17
Well now. Who do have here, after a couple of days? Answer atheist. Just like clock work. PHONY! 8^)))

From: bad karma
20-Sep-17
Spike, that's like saying that lottery tickets are a great way to fund retirement because you read in the paper that somebody won $10 million yesterday.

From: Glunt@work
20-Sep-17
Its simple. When you wire tap Trump tower, Trump's campaign staff and conversations including Trump, that's not wire tapping Trump. If those same people near Trump do something wrong, then that is the same as Trump doing it himself.

Just a plain old double standard.

From: Solo
20-Sep-17
But, but, Clapper, Comey, Lynch, Clinton and Obama didn't know anything about the wiretapping until they read it in the newspaper......

From: Atheist
20-Sep-17

From: Anony Mouse
21-Sep-17
WHY OBAMA REALLY SPIED ON TRUMP

Obama had to spy on Trump to protect himself.

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical left and Islamic terrorism.

Last week, CNN revealed (and excused) one phase of the Obama spying operation on Trump. After lying about it on MSNBC, Susan Rice admitted unmasking the identities of Trump officials to Congress.

Rice was unmasking the names of Trump officials a month before leaving office. The targets may have included her own successor, General Flynn, who was forced out of office using leaked surveillance.

While Rice’s targets weren’t named, the CNN story listed a meeting with Flynn, Bannon and Kushner.

Bannon was Trump’s former campaign chief executive and a senior adviser. Kushner is a senior adviser. Those are exactly the people you spy on to get an insight into what your political opponents plan to do.

Now the latest CNN spin piece informs us that secret FISA orders were used to spy on the conversations of Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. The surveillance was discontinued for lack of evidence and then renewed under a new warrant. This is part of a pattern of FISA abuses by Obama Inc. which never allowed minor matters like lack of evidence to dissuade them from new FISA requests.

Desperate Obama cronies had figured out that they could bypass many of the limitations on the conventional investigations of their political opponents by ‘laundering’ them through national security.

If any of Trump’s people were talking to non-Americans, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) could be used to spy on them. And then the redacted names of the Americans could be unmasked by Susan Rice, Samantha Power and other Obama allies. It was a technically legal Watergate.

If both CNN stories hold up, then Obama Inc. had spied on two Trump campaign leaders.

Furthermore the Obama espionage operation closely tracked Trump’s political progress. The first FISA request targeting Trump happened the month after he received the GOP nomination. The second one came through in October: the traditional month of political surprises meant to upend an election.

The spying ramped up after Trump’s win when the results could no longer be used to engineer a Hillary victory, but would instead have to be used to cripple and bring down President Trump. Headed out the door, Rice was still unmasking the names of Trump’s people while Obama was making it easier to pass around raw eavesdropped data to other agencies.

Obama had switched from spying on a political opponent to win an election, to spying on his successor to undo the results of the election. Abuse of power by a sitting government had become subversion of the government by an outgoing administration. Domestic spying on opponents had become a coup.

The Democrat scandals of the past few administrations have hinged on gross violations of political norms, elementary ethics and the rule of law that, out of context, were not technically illegal.

But it’s the pattern that makes the crime. It’s the context that shows the motive.

Obama Inc. compartmentalized its espionage operation in individual acts of surveillance and unmasking, and general policies implemented to aid both, that may have been individually legal, in the purely technical sense, in order to commit the major crime of eavesdropping on the political opposition.

When the individual acts of surveillance are described as legal, that’s irrelevant. It’s the collective pattern of surveillance of the political opposition that exposes the criminal motive for them.

If Obama spied on two of Trump’s campaign leaders, that’s not a coincidence. It’s a pattern.

A criminal motive can be spotted by a consistent pattern of actions disguised by different pretexts. A dirty cop may lose two pieces of evidence from the same defendant while giving two different excuses. A shady accountant may explain two otherwise identical losses in two different ways. Both excuses are technically plausible. But it’s the pattern that makes the crime.

Manafort was spied on under the Russia pretext. Bannon may have been spied on over the UAE. That’s two different countries, two different people and two different pretexts.

But one single target. President Trump.

It’s the pattern that exposes the motive.

When we learn the whole truth (if we ever do), we will likely discover that Obama Inc. assembled a motley collection of different technically legal pretexts to spy on Trump’s team.

Each individual pretext might be technically defensible. But together they add up to the crime of the century.

Obama’s gamble was that the illegal surveillance would justify itself. If you spy on a bunch of people long enough, especially people in politics and business, some sort of illegality, actual or technical, is bound to turn up. That’s the same gamble anyone engaged in illegal surveillance makes.

Businessmen illegally tape conversations with former partners hoping that they’ll say something damning enough to justify the risk. That was what Obama and his allies were doing with Trump.

It’s a crime. And you can’t justify committing a crime by discovering a crime.

If everyone were being spied on all the time, many crimes could be exposed every second. But that’s not how our system works. That’s why we have a Fourth Amendment.

Nor was Obama Inc. trying to expose crimes for their own sake, but to bring down the opposition.

That’s why it doesn’t matter what results the Obama surveillance turned up. The surveillance was a crime. Anything turned up by it is the fruit of a poisonous tree. It’s inherently illegitimate.

The first and foremost agenda must be to assemble a list of Trump officials who were spied on and the pretexts under which they were spied upon. The pattern will show the crime. And that’s what Obama and his allies are terrified of. It’s why Flynn was forced out using illegal surveillance and leaks. It’s why McMaster is protecting Susan Rice and the Obama holdovers while purging Trump loyalists at the NSC.

The left’s gamble was that the Mueller investigation or some other illegitimate spawn of the Obama eavesdropping would produce an indictment and then the procedural questions wouldn’t matter.

It’s the dirty cop using illegal eavesdropping to generate leads for a “clean” case against his target while betting that no one will look too closely or care how the case was generated. If one of the Mueller targets is intimidated into making a deal, the question of how the case was generated won’t matter.

Mueller will have a cooperative witness. And the Democrats can begin their coup in earnest. It will eventually turn out that there is no “there” there. But by then, it’ll be time for President Booker.

There’s just one problem.

If the gamble fails, if no criminal case that amounts to anything more than the usual investigational gimmick charges like perjury (the Federal equivalent of ‘resisting arrest’ for a beat cop) develops, then Obama and his allies are on the hook for the domestic surveillance of their political opponents.

With nothing to show for it and no way to distract from it.

That’s the race against the clock that is happening right now. Either the investigation gets results. Or its perpetrators are left hanging in the wind. If McMaster is fired, which on purely statistical grounds he probably will be, and a Trump loyalist who wasn’t targeted by the surveillance operation becomes the next National Security Adviser and brings in Trump loyalists, as Flynn tried to do, then it’s over.

And the Dems finally get their Watergate. Except the star won’t be Trump, it will be Obama. Rice, Power, Lynch and the rest of the gang will be the new Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Mitchell.

Once Obama and his allies launched their domestic surveillance operation, they crossed the Rubicon. And there was no way back. They had to destroy President Trump or risk going to jail.

The more crimes they committed by spying on the opposition, the more urgently they needed to bring down Trump. The consequences of each crime that they had committed spurred them on to commit worse crimes to save themselves from going to jail. It’s the same old story when it comes to criminals.

Each act of illegal surveillance became more blatant. And when illegal surveillance couldn’t stop Trump’s victory, they had to double down on the illegal surveillance for a coup.

The more Obama spied on Trump, the more he had to keep doing it. This time it was bound to pay off.

Obama and his allies had violated the norms so often for their policy goals that they couldn’t afford to be replaced by anyone but one of their own. The more Obama relied on the imperial presidency of executive orders, the less he could afford to be replaced by anyone who would undo them. The more his staffers lied and broke the law on everything from the government shutdown to the Iran nuke sellout, the more desperately they needed to pull out all the stops to keep Trump out of office. And the more they did it, the more they couldn’t afford not to do it. Abuse of power locks you into the loop familiar to all dictators. You can’t stop riding the tiger. Once you start, you can’t afford to stop.

If you want to understand why Samantha Power was unmasking names, that’s why. The hysterical obsession with destroying Trump comes from the top down. It’s not just ideology. It’s wealthy and powerful men and women who ran the country and are terrified that their crimes will be exposed.

It’s why the media increasingly sounds like the propaganda organs of a Communist country. Why there are street riots and why the internet is being censored by Google and Facebook’s “fact checking” allies.

It’s not just ideology. It’s raw fear.

The left is sitting on the biggest crime committed by a sitting president. The only way to cover it up is to destroy his Republican successor.

A turning point in history is here.

If Obama goes down, the left will go down with him. If his coup succeeds, then America ends.

From: Atheist
22-Sep-17

From: Mike in CT
22-Sep-17
Spike (and Jack too),

I've been saying for months that the more (real) investigating is done the more exposed to the light of truth the high crimes and misdemeanors of the Obama administration will become.

Karma can be a real bitch......

From: slade
28-Sep-17

slade's Link
Lawmakers Turn Up the Heat on Obama Unmasking Scandal – Allege Larger Obama Spy Op on Trump

From: slade
28-Sep-17

slade's Link

  • Sitka Gear