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Spike Bull 03-Oct-17
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03-Oct-17

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The Catalonians have succeeded in winning over the people with help from the Spanish government. Spanish national police attacked Catalan voters at the poles and were being fought off by local police as the Catalons held a referendum on seperating from Spain.

This will likely add momentum to many other seperatist movements around the world and maybe some in the US. Either way, it outlines the general disatisfaction with the lack of responsiveness from political elites all around the world. Their zeal for a global government is NOT pleasing to the people who seem to recognize that they are already losing control of their national governments so they would have no chance of controlling a one world government.

03-Oct-17
The English word has not yet even been invented that can describe my indifference to the Catalonians and their separation from Spain.

04-Oct-17
Catalans sticking with seperation plans.

This will embolden many other seperatist movements across the world, perhaps even some within the US, SA. It is a critical occurence.

The Kurds may be next, which could cost Iraq and Turkey both some valuable property and may well spur a war between Turkey, our allies on paper, and the Kurds, our only capable and ballsy REAL allies in the region.

The whole middle east is set to have such seperations due mainly nto the uninformed and arbitrary definition of borders and countries done largely by the Brits.

04-Oct-17

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Oh yeah, link!

04-Oct-17

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The EU has many countries considering a Brexit move as well.

These separations would mean major defeats for the globalists!! You can not assemble a one-world-government when everyone is seperating from their collectives!

05-Oct-17

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Catalonia is being threatened by the EU now and Italy is experiencing some growing pains.

I am rooting for seperatists everywhere!

05-Oct-17

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More cracks in EU.

"Hungary’s Orban has led the way. A far more diplomatic figure than Kaczynski, Orban, who once was an anti-Soviet firebrand, also stands accused of reining in the judiciary and besmirching his opponents (including the EU): His government is currently circulating a publicly funded “national consultation,” a piece of cartoon propaganda about what it calls the “Soros plan,” whereby the EU would implement a dastardly scheme of Hungarian-born financier George Soros to dismantle Hungary’s anti-migrant border fences and pay migrants to come to Europe. But Orban has generally been smarter than his Polish disciple about retreating before the EU takes any action."

05-Oct-17

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"Inspired by the separatist vote in Catalonia, secessionists in three wealthy southern Brazilian states are redoubling their efforts to break away from the crisis-battered nation.

Residents of Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina and Parana states are being called to vote in an informal plebiscite on Oct. 7 on whether they want independence. Organizers are also urging residents of the three states to sign a legislative proposal for each of their regional assemblies that would call for a formal, binding referendum. The non-profit group "The South is My Country" aims to mobilize a million voters in 900 out of the region’s 1,191 cities."

From: Yendor
05-Oct-17
The biggest problem with this vote, is that it was not authorized, or legal. It was a behind the door (fear of getting caught). Only about 40% of eligible voters voted, because most did not want to get involved in something that was viewed as illegal.

18-Oct-17

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Exploring the relevance of this movement.

From: Rhody
19-Oct-17
(CNN)The Spanish government said Thursday it would begin the process to impose direct rule on Catalonia in an unprecedented move to crush the region's independence bid.

In a statement from Madrid, the government of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said it would invoke Article 155 of the constitution, a provision that allows the central government to suspend the autonomy of the Catalan regional administration. Rajoy's Cabinet will meet on Saturday to agree measures to "restore the constitutional order" in Catalonia, where a banned referendum on independence took place earlier this month. The plan will then be put before the Senate, where Rajoy's Popular Party has a majority, for approval. The statement did not spell out what steps would be taken under Article 155, but the provision gives Madrid the power to take over the running of Catalan institutions and force new elections. It has never been invoked before.

19-Oct-17
yep. thank goodness we settled this here in the early 1860's. You try and succeed we (meaning the federal government) will come kill you and anyone else who resists.

From: Glunt@work
19-Oct-17
Borders have been changing constantly ever since there have been borders. I expect it will continue. Usually not a peaceful process.

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