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College professor re: gun control
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K Cummings 04-Oct-17
Tiger-Eye 04-Oct-17
Spike Bull 04-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 04-Oct-17
K Cummings 04-Oct-17
elkmtngear 04-Oct-17
K Cummings 04-Oct-17
Glunt@work 04-Oct-17
Bowfreak 04-Oct-17
elkmtngear 04-Oct-17
K Cummings 04-Oct-17
Shuteye 04-Oct-17
K Cummings 04-Oct-17
bigeasygator 04-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 05-Oct-17
K Cummings 05-Oct-17
gflight 05-Oct-17
elkmtngear 05-Oct-17
Franzen 05-Oct-17
WV Mountaineer 05-Oct-17
From: K Cummings
04-Oct-17
My daughter is a senior in college, and I was curious whether or not the Las Vegas tragedy and the subsequent call by some for more gun control has been a topic in any of her classes over the last couple days.

We discussed it this morning over breakfast, and she said that the topic has really only come up in one of her classes and surprisingly, her professor was adamant (despite vigorous disagreement by a few students) that additional gun control would do "absolutely nothing" to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

Her argument was simple and concise. People who commit atrocities like this are not concerned one iota about what is legal and what isn't, they are only intent on getting the job done, and will use whatever "weapon" they have to use in order to accomplish their goal.

I always try to discuss current events like this, as I am curious about what she is being fed by her college professors.

Granted, my daughter is a Finance major (probably not the largest bastion of liberal think), and the particular class that this was discussed in was Foundations of Risk Management.

I'm guessing on average, her professors are going to be more conservative than those in other majors, but it's nice to hear that the liberal/progressive trash we so often hear about on college campuses isn't always the case.

There is hope.

KPC

From: Tiger-Eye
04-Oct-17
Foundations of Risk Management. The topic and likely its professor are rooted in logic and critical thinking. When looked at logically, it is evident that the shooter already broke about a dozen existing firearm laws that were not a deterrent. Adding more just erodes the rights of law abiding gun owners.

Professors and classes of the more esoteric type that rely on theory, emotion and feelings ie gender studies, behavioral sciences etc are usually on the liberal bend of the gun argument.

04-Oct-17
Congrats and good for her!

From: Gray Ghost
04-Oct-17
KPC,

I don't know about your daughter, but my political opinions were already firmly in place by the time I went to college. My college professors did little to change or reaffirm them. In fact, I rather enjoyed debating certain topics with some of my more liberal educators, who were abundant at Colorado University in Boulder in the early '80s.

I think some people give educators too much credit for shaping the political opinions of college age kids. Sure, the professors influence some students, but I'd argue most of those kids lack a proper foundation from home. Or the kids simply take the opposite side of the fence as their parents as a form of rebellious independence.

From what I know about you, I doubt your daughter is that malleable.

Matt

From: K Cummings
04-Oct-17
Tiger Eye:

I suspect you are exactly right.

When I speak to my daughters old suitemate, who is a Literature major, I get a whole different perspective.

Matt:

Yeah, "malleable" is not a word I would use to describe her. Not in any way, shape, or form. She's a lot like her old man that way, but more like her mom in that she isn't very vocal about it, nor does she feel the need to change anyone else's opinion. Having said that, she will listen respectfully to what anyone has to say...and then proceed to do or think whatever the hell she has decided to do or think.

She had to do a verbal presentation for a class a while back and she ran it by me to see what I thought. When she was done, I asked her if she truly believed what she was saying and she basically said "not really, but my professor does, and all I want is the grade. What do I care, once this class is over, I'll never see him again."

In that respect, she's smarter than me.

:)

KPC

From: elkmtngear
04-Oct-17
Refreshing to hear of a Professor at that level exhibiting common sense, and passing the logic on to his Students. No doubt, he is a minority, but I hope it's a growing minority.

Best of Luck, Jeff

From: K Cummings
04-Oct-17
Jeff:

In this particular case, the professor is a female.

KPC

From: Glunt@work
04-Oct-17
My wife's college roommate constantly complained about how cold her bedroom was. The thermostat in the hallway was set at 71. I offered to take a look at it (electric heat). She had the master bedroom and it had its own thermostat...on the wall next to her bachelors degree and set at 50. She was one that was easily influenced.

From: Bowfreak
04-Oct-17
I don't know Matt....I had not one iota of political bone in my body in college. I literally didn't care in the least. It was only after growing older that I started paying attention. While my professors leaned left, I didn't care and didn't really pay attention. Like you, they had no effect on me but I didn't have any leanings at all until I got a job. :)

From: elkmtngear
04-Oct-17
"In this particular case, the professor is a female".

Even Better !

From: K Cummings
04-Oct-17
Glunt:

What did she have her masters in?

:)

KPC

04-Oct-17
Not all college professors are libs. My daughter served as a clerk for one of the country's most eminent 2nd amendment legal scholars when she was in law school a couple of years ago. He is pro 2a! There was probably not anther conservative on the faculty at the private law school she attended unless they were part time faculty which means they are a full time lawyer somewhere...probably in their own firm.

From: Shuteye
04-Oct-17
I saw Trey Gowdy on TV today and he wanted to know what law could possibly have stopped this. He said there are laws on the books that are not being enforced. He said laws mean nothing if they are not enforced.

From: K Cummings
04-Oct-17
"Not all college professors are libs."

Very true, and not all college kids are the clueless snowflakes we see belching out their moronic theories to anyone with a microphone.

We seem so quick to showcase the idiots, it's just nice to show the opposite once in a while. Heck, my daughter attends a university that only had one protester show up when Ben Shapiro came to speak to a standing room only crowd. And to his credit, even the protester was polite.

I feel very fortunate.

KPC

From: bigeasygator
04-Oct-17
Bingo^^^ as an undergrad engineering major who also took classes in math and business, politics wasn't even a point of conversation. When things even approached a topic that bordered on politics, the general sentiment of the students and teachers leaned towards solutions and opinions that were more associated with conservatise thinking.

I attended grad school at a place that carried the torch for the free market movement, the University of Chicago. This was the home of Milton, Fama, Coase, and Becker and their idealogies were clearly alive and well in the professors I had.

This concept of liberal brainwashing at our colleges and universities doesn't match any of the experience I had.

From: Gray Ghost
05-Oct-17
"I don't know Matt....I had not one iota of political bone in my body in college. I literally didn't care in the least. It was only after growing older that I started paying attention. While my professors leaned left, I didn't care and didn't really pay attention. Like you, they had no effect on me but I didn't have any leanings at all until I got a job."

Interesting. I had a job from the age of 16 years on, paid for my own degree that way. Not working was not an option in my family. My family always ate meals together, too, and politics was often a subject of conversation at the dinner table, so many of my opinions were formed long before college.

But, like you, politics wasn't at the forefront in college. It took a back seat to playing ball, drinking beer, chasing women, and occasionally studying. ;-)

Matt

From: K Cummings
05-Oct-17
"Interesting. I had a job from the age of 16 years on, paid for my own degree that way. Not working was not an option in my family. My family always ate meals together, too, and politics was often a subject of conversation at the dinner table, so many of my opinions were formed long before college."

We had very similar backgrounds Matt, except my first job was at 12, as was my daughter's. Political as well as financial discussions were the norm at our dinner table also.

My daughter has filed her own tax returns since she was required to file. Aside from actually working, in my opinion this is one of the best lessons we can ever teach a child.

The realization that the money that they don't "get back," THEIR money, goes to fund all the wonderful things that "the government" pays for is a real eye opener.

KPC

From: gflight
05-Oct-17
The adult education field has had so many progressive educators throughout history. Many of them made great and valuable strides in education until they were imprisoned or became foaming at the mouth radicalized socialists. How they made the leap from critical thinking and knowledge is power to socialism is beyond me.

From: elkmtngear
05-Oct-17

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Here's a billboard that just went up in the neighboring community of Chico, California (a University Town). You guys in the Rockies and the Heartland are so lucky not to have to see crap like this !

This is in an area that primarily votes Republican (Red)...so I attribute this to the University and/or the large population of "Snowflakes" in the Community.

From: Franzen
05-Oct-17
Sickening. Unbelievable hypocrisy in one billboard (for the rational mind anyway).

05-Oct-17
All my economic and forestry courses were taught by conservatives. Most of my wildlife classes and, general studies were taught by liberals. So, I can see that being the case with a finance major. God Bless

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