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HA/KS 04-Oct-17
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From: HA/KS
04-Oct-17

HA/KS's Link
"Just days ago, a Marine veteran and the owner of a sports restaurant pulled the plug on the NFL to protest the “disrespect” of professional football players during the national anthem."

"DeFries told Fox News that when he called to get a refund on his DirecTV NFL package, he was told he'd have to eat the $6,000 fee. DirecTV told him it was giving refunds only to residential customers and not business accounts. He said that his restaurant has formally requested a refund."

"“Every day our sales have been up between 200 and 300 percent. People we have never seen before are driving hours to support us and the employees. We have received heart-warming and supportive phone calls, emails and direct messages from people all over the United States thanking us.”

From: Woods Walker
04-Oct-17
Good riddance!!!!

From: JTV
04-Oct-17
as I am proud to say .. "To hell with the NFL" ..

04-Oct-17
Well, bye!

From: Solo
04-Oct-17
What? Goodbye to college football? Zat what I just heard here? Cuz that's what you'll get in some form.

I say, quitcher bitchen, let the sod-knees go down under the pressure that We the People exert, and continue to watch the honest America-loving players play.

But you left-footers could lobby to raise taxes on the guyz you despize, and maybe even manage to legislate such a tax 'incentive'. Hey, toss it into the bump-stock bill.

Mz, Tax & Spend, Senator "All-Red" Feinstein would likely go for something like that. Work with her.

From: Squash
05-Oct-17
I say goodbye to college football as well. Where do you think these NFL players are getting indoctrinated ?

From: Dave G.
05-Oct-17
"What? Goodbye to college football? Zat what I just heard here? Cuz that's what you'll get in some form."

Seriously??? You realize that only a very small percentage of college football players are even considered for the NFL, let alone make it.

Actually, I think college football would significantly benefit if the NFL went away. For one, you wouldn't have players entering college with no intent of staying the full term, only expecting to play college ball until they're offered a contract from the NFL.

From: keepemsharp
05-Oct-17
A few years ago Daniel Defense wanted to buy a super bowl half time ad and the NFL said "we can't have no gun ads here". Said goodbye to the NFL right then. Anti gun----anti American.

From: Shuteye
05-Oct-17
No gun ads but plenty of alcohol ads. Alcohol kills as many people as guns. In my area a lot more people die from drunk drivers than from being shot. A lot more. I'm not against alcohol since it is the people that misuse guns and alcohol. You will never see a ban on alcohol because a lot of politicians are drunks. They tried once and it failed.

From: HA/KS
05-Oct-17
"Alcohol kills as many people as guns. " Not even close. It has to be 100 or 1000 or more to 1.

From: sleepyhunter
05-Oct-17
I can always find something better to do than sit around and watch NFL football. It's not a problem. Let them go broke.

05-Oct-17

Spike Bull 's Link
Lowes stands up for America!

From: BowSniper
05-Oct-17
Does chevy run adds during football games? They make a corvette and camaro pushing speeds up to 200mph where the speed limit is only 55-80mph. These are crime machines designed to break the law!

From: BIG BEAR
05-Oct-17
I didn't see anyone take a knee at the Houston Astros game..... and they had a bald eagle flying around the stadium during the anthem..... it was AWESOME !! I hope my favorite Tiger Justin Verlander helps Houston heal by bringing them a World Series !!!!

From: AZOnecam
05-Oct-17
I'm preettty sure I asked this exact same question a few months back, way before so many NFL spoiled brats decided to follow suit. If memory serves, the majority said it was nothing, would just go away. Hmmm.

From: HA/KS
06-Oct-17

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From: K Cummings
06-Oct-17
Henry:

I'm not sure I'd want a bar-b-q sandwich cooked over a bunch of burning polyester jerseys and plastic memorabilia.

:)

KPC

From: Woods Walker
06-Oct-17
Oh come on now, that would make real "stick to your ribs", ribs!

06-Oct-17
No respectful American citizen would support the NFL.

From: Woods Walker
06-Oct-17
Not anymore. And I'm waiting to see what the NFL sponsors do. I'm fully ready to stop patronizing all of them if they still monetarily support the NFL if this crap continues.

From: HA/KS
06-Oct-17
I had that thought too, KPC

From: Solo
06-Oct-17
Some good points made, and I share many of your sentiments. I've seen the changes in college ball creep in over the years, and I don't like it either.

But I'd much rather see both, NCAA & NFL, pull their acts together and make it a great game like I grew up with, than to watch them become extinct.

From: K Cummings
06-Oct-17

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If I'm ever in Asheville NC, I may have to stop in. I'd just like to meet the folks that own this place.

:)

KPC

From: Woods Walker
06-Oct-17
I got this in an email today and am passing it on...............

Take a Knee! - To All Ballplayers, Everywhere

Take a knee at the beach in Normandy where man after American man stormed the beach, even as the one in front of him was shot to pieces...the very sea stained with American blood. The only blockers most had were the dead bodies in front of them, riddled with bullets from enemy fire.

Take a knee in the sweat soaked jungles of Vietnam. from Khe San to Saigon... Anywhere will do. REAL Americans died in all those jungles. There was no playbook that told them what was next, but they knew what flag they represented. When they came home, they were protested as well..and spit on for reasons only cowards know.

Take another knee in the blood drenched sands of Fallujah in 110 degree heat.. Wear your Kevlar helmet and battle dress... Your number won't be printed on it unless your number is up! You'll need to stay hydrated but there won't be anyone to squirt Gatorade into your mouth. You're on your own.

There's a lot of places to take a knee. Real Americans have given their lives all over the world. When you use the banner under which they fought as a source for your displeasure, you dishonor the memories of those who bled for the very freedoms you have. That's what the red stripes mean. It represents the blood of those who spilled a sea of it defending your liberty.

While you're on your knee, pray for those that came before you, not on a manicured lawn striped and printed with numbers to announce every inch of ground taken...but on nameless hills and bloodied beaches and sweltering forests and bitter cold mountains...every inch marked by an American life lost serving that flag you protest.

No cheerleaders, no announcers, no coaches, no fans...just American men and women...delivering the real fight against those who chose to harm us...blazing a path so you would have the right to "take a knee."

You haven't an inkling what it took to get you where you are; but your "protest" is duly noted. Not only is it disgraceful to a nation of real heroes, it serves the purpose of pointing to your ingratitude for those who chose to defend you under that banner that will still wave long after your jersey is issued to another...

If you really feel the need to take a knee, come with me to church on Sunday and we'll both kneel before Almighty God. We'll thank Him for preserving this country for as long as He has. We'll beg forgiveness for our ingratitude for all He has provided us. We'll appeal to Him for understanding and wisdom. We'll pray for liberty and justice for all...because He is the one who provides those things.

And there will be no protest. There will only be gratitude for His provision and a plea for His continued grace and mercy on the land of the free and the home of the brave. It goes like this...

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

From: JTV
08-Oct-17

JTV's Link
Our VP Mike Pence did what many should do when these Herd Turds kneel at ball games ... he walked out...... Thank You Mr. Pence !! ..... see link

From: Atheist
08-Oct-17
Haha. JTV, So you enjoyed the 200,000$ photo op? What a conservative! Let's spend taxpayer money on an attention whore!!

From: JTV
08-Oct-17
You continue to prove to be the puke we all know you are... just another America hater ...

From: Atheist
08-Oct-17
Trump and pence are the pukes. The KKK marched in Charlottesville again. Think they'd tweet their displeasure? Nope. The black football players kneeling are worse obviously. And for the dense; That's sarcasm JTV.

From: Stalker
09-Oct-17
why would Trump comment on a KKK rally and give them relevance? I never would have known about it without your post. Had he commented everyone would know. Hey you racist puke Trump bashes ALL people who take a knee for the anthem!!

From: Mike in CT
09-Oct-17
Evidently the issue isn't recognizing that a right can be supported while the act can promote disgust; no, the issue is some have principles that extend only to like-minded individuals and are not the universal constant applied to the constitutional right as they should without fail be (see below if confused):

"I wouldn't do it, but it's protected by the constitution. So either you respect the document or you don't. "

Another shining example (not that any more were required as proof) of liberal hypocrisy, not to mention a level of ignorance that is simply breathtaking in its scope.

From: Shuteye
09-Oct-17
As they say down South......AMF.

From: Woods Walker
09-Oct-17
LOL! In the midwest too Lex!

From: MK111
09-Oct-17
I still say fire all the knee jerks and don't renew their contracts next time around. I'd rather watch ants crawling around on the sidewalk.

From: Woods Walker
09-Oct-17
Or better yet, since they're doing it AT WORK, and there's specific rules against this, start fining them for each occurance, like for $250,000 a pop. THEN we'll see just how dedicated they are to their cause.

My guess is that most of them will stand like someone shoved a red hot poker up their keister because most of them don't even know what the hell they are protesting other than white people.

From: Whitey
09-Oct-17
The black racists are blowing up the NFL and ESPN. Players are reacting to fans in the stands and outside stadiums negatively. They have been God’s their whole lives and now they are getting booed and heckled and they can’t handle it. We will see if any cowboys pick their “principals” over their paycheck. It’s just starting

From: Bou'bound
09-Oct-17
aside from the odd case of alcohol poisoning alcohol is as innocent in killing people as guns are. people kill

From: Glunt@work
09-Oct-17
Well, an ESPN host just went a on a little rant about how "white men" need to "shut up" and listen when it comes to race and gender issues.

Insert any other race or "women" instead of "men" and people would be losing their minds over her comments.

From: JTV
09-Oct-17
Glunt, if you mean that ignorant poor excuse of a ESPN broadcaster, Jemele Hill, she's just been put on suspension for two weeks or does ESPN have more than one lousy female broadcasters...

From: JTV
09-Oct-17

JTV's Link
Glunt, here's the link ...

From: trublucolo
09-Oct-17
If Al Sharpton was outraged and it kept co- host Smith off the air, then her two week paid vacation wasn't a total sham.

From: Glunt@work
09-Oct-17
The ESPN host was Michelle Beadle. It would have been everywhere under different circumstances.

From: Sixby
09-Oct-17
They are on the fighting side of me along with antifa and all flag burners. I do not know anyone personally that has not stopped watching any NFL games. No one. They all have and they are all extremely angry about it. Obama succeded in only one thing. He definately split this country in two. I do not believe its anything from here on out but a battleground. One great thing. We win.

God bless, Steve

From: HA/KS
09-Oct-17
"They have been God’s their whole lives" We are all God's, but none of us are gods, except in our own minds.

From: Woods Walker
09-Oct-17
I think he meant that with a small "g" (gods), Henry.

From: dnovo
10-Oct-17
To the NFL players

You graduated high school in 2011. Your teenage years were a struggle. You grew up on the wrong side of the tracks. Your mother was the leader of the family and worked tirelessly to keep a roof over your head and food on your plate. Academics were a struggle for you and your grades were mediocre at best. The only thing that made you stand out is you weighed 225 lbs and could run 40 yards in 4.2 seconds while carrying a football. Your best friend was just like you, except he didn’t play football. Instead of going to football practice after school, he went to work at McDonalds for minimum wage. You were recruited by all the big colleges and spent every weekend of your senior year making visits to universities where coaches and boosters tried to convince you their school was best. They laid out the red carpet for you. Your best friend worked double shifts at Mickey D’s. College was not an option for him. On the day you signed with Big State University, your best friend signed paperwork with his Army recruiter. You went to summer workouts. He went to basic training.

You spent the next four years living in the athletic dorm, eating at the training table. You spent your Saturdays on the football field, cheered on by adoring fans. Tutors attended to your every academic need. You attended class when you felt like it. Sure, you worked hard. You lifted weights, ran sprints, studied plays, and soon became one of the top football players in the country. Your best friend was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division. While you were in college, he deployed to Iraq once and Afghanistan twice. He became a Sergeant and led a squad of 19 year old soldiers who grew up just like he did. He shed his blood in Afghanistan and watched young American's give their lives, limbs, and innocence for the USA. You went to the NFL combine and scored off the charts. You hired an agent and waited for draft day. You were drafted in the first round and your agent immediately went to work, ensuring that you received the most money possible. You signed for $16 million although you had never played a single down of professional football. Your best friend re-enlisted in the Army for four more years. As a combat tested sergeant, he will be paid $32,000 per year. You will drive a Ferrari on the streets of South Beach. He will ride in the back of a Blackhawk helicopter with 10 other combat loaded soldiers. You will sleep at the Ritz. He will dig a hole in the ground and try to sleep. You will “make it rain” in the club. He will pray for rain as the temperature reaches 120 degrees.

On Sunday, you will run into a stadium as tens of thousands of fans cheer and yell your name. For your best friend, there is little difference between Sunday and any other day of the week. There are no adoring fans. There are only people trying to kill him and his soldiers. Every now and then, he and his soldiers leave the front lines and “go to the rear” to rest. He might be lucky enough to catch an NFL game on TV. When the National Anthem plays and you take a knee, he will jump to his feet and salute the television. While you protest the unfairness of life in the United States, he will give thanks to God that he has the honor of defending his great country. To the players of the NFL: We are the people who buy your tickets, watch you on TV, and wear your jerseys. We anxiously wait for Sundays so we can cheer for you and marvel at your athleticism. Although we love to watch you play, we care little about your opinions until you offend us. You have the absolute right to express yourselves, but we have the absolute right to boycott you. We have tolerated your drug use and DUIs, your domestic violence, and your vulgar displays of wealth. We should be ashamed for putting our admiration of your physical skills before what is morally right. But now you have gone too far. You have insulted our flag, our country, our soldiers, our police officers, and our veterans. You are living the American dream, yet you disparage our great country. I am done with NFL football and encourage all like minded Americans to boycott the NFL as well.

From: Woods Walker
10-Oct-17
WELL STATED!!!!

From: PECO
10-Oct-17
Go Away NFL and take NBA and baseball with you.

From: Seapig@work
11-Oct-17

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From: Annony Mouse
22-Oct-17

Annony Mouse's Link
NFL: Not For Long?

LOL...pics of stands. Scalpers hurting...

From: Whitey
22-Oct-17
That’s impossabru Grey Jocky said it was impossible , tempest in a tea pot and all that rot. I know one person watching the NFL and in Seattle that’s a huge deal.

23-Oct-17
I am on my second year of total boycott of the NFL. I don't miss it at all. f them. I will never watch another professional football game....forever. They can't fix it. I am also proud to say that I have never in my entire life watched an NBA game.

From: Gray Ghost
23-Oct-17

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And yet, the NFL has averaged over 15 million viewers thru the past 6 weeks, and the early double digit ratings decline has dropped to only 7%.

Matt

From: Woods Walker
23-Oct-17
Uh huh. And the polls also said that Hillary would win big time right up until 9:00 pm on the night of the election.

From: Gray Ghost
23-Oct-17
Once again, some people tout the ratings when they support their narrative, then dismiss them when they don't.

Matt

From: Whitey
23-Oct-17
Grey Jocky always quotes the ratings but he has no idea how it works. The ratings are a percentage of audience. The audience is smaller because fewer people are watching the NFL so it makes it look like the ratings have not dropped all that much. Hence the partially empty stadiums. They are reporting a 17% drop over 2015 pre knee ratings. Knowing how it works it’s much higher than that. The system is skewed to always make it look better.

From: Woods Walker
23-Oct-17
"The system is skewed to always make it look better."

I think even Hillary would attest to that....if she were honest.

From: Gray Ghost
23-Oct-17

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I'm perfectly aware of how the ratings work, Whitey. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself. See link.

I only got to watch 2 games last week. The Chiefs/Raiders game on Thursday, and last night's Pats/Falcons game. Both stadiums were packed with enthusiastic fans.

Matt

From: Bentstick81
23-Oct-17
I personally hope that they go belly up. I'd rather watch paint dry.

From: JTV
23-Oct-17
only a person like GG would watch the damn NFL ... no moral compass ... piss on the NFL and those who still support its crap ..

From: Glunt@work
23-Oct-17
NFL isn't going anywhere, but in a business that size 1% means a lot and 7% means a whole lot.

They know it has effected them. They are getting pressure from one side to hire Kaepernick and support the player's protest and pressure from the other side to stop the protesting and just play football. They would like to avoid taking a side and hope it calms down before their hand is forced.

They branded themselves on patriotism and the flag, built a fan base that is made up of people who aren't happy with the product when they see the kneeling, and they know exactly how its effecting them.

People love football. That results in the NFL surviving and probably thriving after this. It also shows how pissed people were with how many tuned out.

From: Gray Ghost
23-Oct-17

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"Last night’s MM numbers were the best any NFL primetime game has performed this season since Week 1."

Hmmm.......?

Matt

From: Irishman
23-Oct-17
Why bother showing what the players are doing during the national anthem? Also, it only becomes an issue, if you let it bother you. By making a big stink over the fact that they are kneeling, you are making their protest relevant. That is of course the trap that President Trump fell into, he made it a big issue, then they all started kneeling. If no one talks about it, it becomes irrelevant.

23-Oct-17
1% of the players either knelt or sat this past weekend. Why do people get so upset over 1%!!! If you ignore them this would just go away.

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23-Oct-17
Please spare us of the perusal pontificating gibberish and show us the money-pictures of the full stadiums at these same games.

From: slade
23-Oct-17
As the National Football League’s 2017 Week 7 wound down, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones spoke about the anthem protests which have spread throughout the league. Jones says that the league is suffering “negative” consequences over the continuing protests.

“There is no question,” Jones told The Dallas Morning News on Sunday. “There is no question the league is suffering negative effects from these protests:”

From: Woods Walker
23-Oct-17
But it's a SURVEY! Someone put together some numbers so it CAN'T be wrong! Numbers can never be manipulated in any way, shape or form. And it was also on the INTERNET!!! So there...........

From: slade
23-Oct-17
Top Advertiser Papa Johns Warns NFL Pizza Sales Are Dropping During Games

From: Woods Walker
23-Oct-17
HA! And he probably voted for Trump! He should just look at an internet survey instead of his bank account. That would be FAR more accurate anyway. The bank probably made an accounting error. I'll bet there's RUSSIANS involved too!!!!

From: Whitey
23-Oct-17
No you don’t grey jocky you are reading someone else’s interpretation of the ratings that agree with your view point. NASCAR in person is way down too. If you know how to read and interpret the rating regale us with the reason why?

From: Jim Moore
23-Oct-17
I can't speak for the polls...I don't participate. I do know that within my inner circle of family and friends, none of us watch the games anymore. I would estimate that to be around 2 dozen or so. Of those, I hear them say that their family and friends have given up on the NFL as well. Some friends of my wife sold their raider tickets and donated the money to a veterans organization. Life long Raider fans....tuned out.

The NFL and the media are extremely powerful and rich. I would imagine that they are fully capable of fudging the numbers somehow. If they admitted that viewership and ticket sales were falling, that could be seen as giving the proletariat (us) tacit recognition that our own "silent" protest is more effective than those poor millionaire slaves that play a game are trying to pull off.

A friend of mine owns a local bar, and his Sunday, Monday and Thursday saales are down on those days. the bartenders complain the tips are way off as well. It was a pretty popular place with a half dozen TV's going at any one time. He would tell you that the business he typically gets during football season is now down to just what he would get during the off season.

I just don't see it in my neck of the woods, at least amongst me and mine. I would imagine that the Patriots/Falcons MNF game rose because it was a matchup of last years superbowl contenders...that would happen anyway. I see the other franchises , and especiallly the middle of the road and poorer teams are losing revenue. GB, Denver, Dallas,Boston will always have their fans show up.

From: BIG BEAR
23-Oct-17
"Piss on the NFL"....... You're right JTV......... Piss on Alejandro Villanueva........ Right ?? I mean..... He's the NFL..... Right ???? Only a guy like him would refuse to boycott the NFL..... Right ?? Oh... wait a minute...... he was an Army Ranger.

From: Shuteye
23-Oct-17
I don't need polls to tell me how much attendance is down. Look at the pictures of the stadiums at kick off. Attendance is way down in the stadiums but I have no way of knowing about TV.

From: JTV
24-Oct-17
Nice Try BB, another classic failure on your behalf, another foolish attempt at trying to be a smart ass.... Villanuevea was the only shining star of the whole mess when he did what he did at that time... in a whole, yea, PISS ON THE NFL and anyone who is supporting what these dweebs are doing .....

From: BIG BEAR
24-Oct-17
Should he boycott the NFL ?? Look ..... boycott or don't boycott...... it is your choice..... but don't try to tell another grown man what to do.....

From: Mike B
24-Oct-17
BB, no one here is telling you what to do...they're just telling you that you're a real schmuck if ya don't.

You're absolutely, 100% correct...you can be a schmuck, or not be a schmuck. The choice is yours to make.

24-Oct-17
agree with BB. boycott or don't boycott. It's your choice. It's the same as stand or kneel. It's your choice. I can still think that you are scum for doing the wrong thing.......that is my choice.

From: Woods Walker
24-Oct-17
I'm not boycotting the NFL because of the players. I'm boycotting the NFL (and it's sponsors) because of the NFL, or more specifically the NFL's condoning/encouraging of what I consider to be disrespectful, dishonorable and frankly insulting behavior by THEIR EMPLOYEES WHILE AT WORK of our country and the people who bled and died for it. If the players want to act like a-holes and show the world what they really are other than people who are good at running and jumping that's their business. To ENCOURAGE it in the workplace is a another matter.

If the NFL fined the players who kneel or otherwise show disrespect at the playing of our national anthem I'd still support the NFL because they have at least SHOWN that they do not condone this. But they haven't/won't. So I can only conclude that they agree. So AMF............

From: MK111
24-Oct-17
No self respecting citizen should attend or watch a TV game while these sorry kneeling protest go on. By attending or watching on TV just shows you approve of the happenings just to get your own couple hours of sport fun. Discussing un-American attitude. I'd rather watch ants crawling around on the sidewalk. No ants out due to cold temps then read a good book. Or watch a good history flick on Youtube.

From: sleepyhunter
24-Oct-17
I havent watched any football this year. Dont intend to. Let NFL rot and go away.

From: JTV
24-Oct-17
Shhhhh, you guys will upset the Bear, talking about his NFL this way ..

From: BIG BEAR
24-Oct-17
I won't watch the NFL because I served in the U.S. Navy for 7 years..... not because of anything you have to say JTV..... what branch did you serve in ???

From: JTV
24-Oct-17
USMC/Scout-Sniper/0317 .... 1976-'82 .... You guys in the Navy gave us some great Taxi service ... Thanks !! ... Semper Fi !!! ....

From: BIG BEAR
24-Oct-17
Thank you for your service.... VP-49 Combat Air Crew 10.... P-3 Orion submarine hunters..... Land based Aircrewman... I wasn't on a ship....I flew.

From: BIG BEAR
24-Oct-17
The NFL will put an end to this soon because it's hurting their pockets.

From: Whitey
24-Oct-17
I don’t think they can the majority of thier employees are Black. They are truly stuck in the middle.

From: Woods Walker
24-Oct-17
The language of $$$$$ is universal, uni-lingual, and everyone except for people who've spent their entire lives in government understands it perfectly well. The NFL is getting the me$$age.........big time.

From: Jim Moore
24-Oct-17

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I do wish I could be a "slave" like this effin a$$hole. 15 million per year. Poor son of a bitch ought to sue for reparations.

Michael Bennett, who last graced the pages of Outkick when he was proven to be a lying, race baiting fraud when he claimed racist police officers in Las Vegas targeted him because he was black only to proven wrong by over 190 videos of the incident, is back in the news because he compared himself to 19th century slave Dred Scott yesterday.

Bennett, who will make $15.4 million per 2017 salary cap analysis, took issue with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones saying he wanted all his players to stand for the national anthem before games. Somehow, in the most unintelligible and stupid analogy in the history of athletes, Bennett analogized his own situation with a 19th century slave who challenged America’s existing slave laws in a famous 1857 case.

From: JTV
24-Oct-17
Bennett can quit if he dont like it... a slave back then could not... just another prissy primma donna ... smh ..

From: Woods Walker
24-Oct-17
And the real slaves back then could not go back to Africa. I'll bet Bennett could go back to Africa just on what we here on the CF would fund it for! That is as long as he didn't come back. It'd be well worth it.

Maybe we could convince him to bring a like minded friend or three back with him!

From: BIG BEAR
25-Oct-17
The NFL better sit up and take notice of the other sports.... Beautiful rendition of the anthem tonight at the World Series by Brad Paisley.... nothing but standing and saluting and a huge flag and RESPECT..... even though most of the players are not from the U.S.

From: Woods Walker
25-Oct-17
That's probably because MLB doesn't recruit as many thugs as the NFL does. The fact that many of MLB's players are NOT citizens is probably why, as they couldn't get in here if they have a criminal record.

From: slade
25-Oct-17
Kneeler League Update=> TV Execs Look to Cut Thursday Night NFL Games Amid Ratings Disaster

From: Woods Walker
25-Oct-17
How much more of a shellacking will they take before they bounce Goodell? This guy's a trainwreck.

From: JTV
25-Oct-17
10 games may be cut from the viewers on Thursdays ... and GG still says there isnt a problem ... ROFLMAO !! ... caw caw

From: JTV
25-Oct-17

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From: Mad dog
25-Oct-17
Nah..JTV...."..ITS JUST YOUR 'MAGINATION." All good in the neighborhood. GG says so! Some of us put COUNTRY FIRST. NFL will NEVER BE THE SAME....FAT, RICH , BLOATED, SMUG AND ARROGANT ....comeuppance is here and I'm enjoying every minute. Former Giants Fan. Mad Dog

From: Whitey
25-Oct-17
Let me answer in my best critical thinker voice. Um the NFL always wanted to cancel the Thursday games because the players don’t like them , duh! Everything will be back to normal by the super bowl fellas.

From: Jim Moore
26-Oct-17
The cut in the Thursday scheduling does make some sense. As referenced, the players do not like the Thurs. games because their game plan from Sunday is really just a carry-over from their Sunday game. To wit, they are just walking through some game plans to "get through" the Thurs game, because they are on a short week. They need the week to recover from injuries and what not, and to play 4 days later instead of 7 or 8 is quite a difference. To that end, I can see the NFL "rethinking" the amount of games played on a Thurs. Yet they are in the business of making money and are beholden to an 18 game season. It will be interesting to see how they juggle that.

With that said, I think that the NFL's postulate that the fans are being over-saturated by football (pro and college) being the reason for the ratings drop is a bit of an over-reach. Within the linked article, it stated that the ratings have dropped 21% since 2015. I can believe it. The NFL is blaming "too much football" or younger fans are more into the highlights of the game instead of sitting through the games. I look at that reasoning with a jaundiced eye. Ask yourselves this: In 2015, as alluded to in the article, the NFL was doing quite well. Kaepernick started his bullshit in 2016. 2017 is showing more of these millionaires taking a knee or doing their black power salute.

Fans of the game are tired of the protest. They are tired of the "game" being politicized. The NFL would have you believe otherwise; blaming the falling ratings on over saturation and the loss of young viewership. I would ask them this: So in two years, you've lost 21% of viewers because of too much football and millenials catching highlights on their smart phones? You cannot possibly give any creedence to the idea that maybe since 2016, fans of the games are sick of the blatantly racist black power salutes and the disrespect shown to the country and the game that has made even mediocre talent richer than most of us can imagine?

Perhaps the NFL should take pains to cure their grossly obvious Pollyanna Syndrome and address the real reason behind the loss of their fans.

From: JTV
26-Oct-17

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Could GG be wrong about his assertion that the NFL is doing fine and people like it now... well of course he is wrong ... as he usually is ... see link .... ^^^

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/26/fox-news-poll-positive-views-nfl-down-18-points-since-2013.html

From: TD
26-Oct-17
Huh..... here I was just going to check out tonight's game (free on Amazon Prime...)

LOL! that's just what I will do, but only until I need glasses......

I'm not boycotting an entire league because of a couple dipwads. If that were my criteria I'd have to boycott nearly everything...... including bowhunting. Those dipwads will reap what they sow, as Kaepernick has found out and others will as well.

There are some dicks for sure, as in anything (again, see: bowhunting) but there are a great many good folks as well. If you don't see them it's only because you refuse to look. I refuse to throw all that out over a few idiots.

BTW...... If you weren't a regular fan before how is not watching them now any kind of boycott? kinda like boycotting brussel sprouts...... no I never liked them before but now I'm REALLY not gonna eat any.....

BTW..... it's Baltimore 7-0 start of the second quarter. Tony Romo IMO is hands down the best guy in the booth of anyone. He knows his stuff inside out, sometimes calling the plays before the ball is snapped....

The downturn is more likely a combination of things, but I'm sure the politics have had an effect. People are getting turned off by the likes of ESPN, etc. Unless I was shown 2015 was the very peak, I'd have to go with "many factors".

oh...... 10-0 Baltimore.......

From: Glunt@work
26-Oct-17
I was never a NFL fan so my boycott makes no difference. My 5th grade son and his choir sang the anthem at the local high school game tonight. Really cold and light snow. No kneeling to be seen and great game. Had to bail at 1/2 time to get him home for homework but looked like the high school will remain undefeated.

From: BIG BEAR
26-Oct-17
TD.... yeah.... that kind of rubs me a little wrong.... guys that don't watch pro football anyways.... saying they're boycotting and thumbing their nose at guys that still watch... You do what is right for you.... I'm pretty sure the NFL is gonna find a way to put an end to this simply because it is costing them money..... Peace.

From: Woods Walker
26-Oct-17
"... I'm pretty sure the NFL is gonna find a way to put an end to this simply because it is costing them money...."

EXACTLY!......and WHY is it costing them money? PEOPLE STOP WATCHING! That's the ONLY thing they understand........$$$$$. You want this crap to end? Then hit the NFL where it hurt$.

And I admit I was never a die hard fan. Oh, I'd watch a game if I had nothing else better to do on a fall afternoon, and I would watch the Superbowl (the actual GAME and not the halftime carnival freak show), but I personally know of at least a half dozen people who WERE real "never miss a game" fans who have stopped watching. And I have a feeling there's a lot more people like them.

From: BIG BEAR
27-Oct-17
They had the live bald eagle flying around in the stadium during the Anthem at the World Series..... that's BAD ASS !!!! No kneeling there !!!

From: Shuteye
27-Oct-17
I read somewhere, Twitter?, that a Dallas Cowboy raised his fist during the National Anthem. Jones, fired him.

From: slade
01-Nov-17
No matter who dresses up as what at the NFL offices in New York, it’s not likely that their Halloween costume will scare Commissioner Roger Goodell more, than the ratings for Monday Night Football.

From: Tiger-Eye
01-Nov-17
I haven't watched football this year but heard about cowboys cutting Damontre Moore. Whether it was due to fist raising or play I wouldn't venture to guess. I will state that I am familiar with Moores play as he was once a NY Giant. The man while athletically gifted is a loose cannon. Undisciplined is the best word I could think of to describe him. Stupid penalties, not knowing the game, and mental mistakes are the reason NYG dumped him.

From: Woods Walker
01-Nov-17
They are basically just trained, paid performers. Athletically gifted and well paid, but performers nonetheless. Nobody gives a rat's ass what they "think" and that's NOT why they're out on that field. If they want to spout their beliefs then they can do it on their own time......but the problem with that is no one gives a sh*t, and for the most part we wouldn't be able to understand them anyway......numsayin?

From: BowSniper
01-Nov-17
The players should just STFU and chase their rubber ball around.

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From: Whitey
02-Nov-17
They are spinning it trying to make it look like over exposure is the reason the numbers are down. Until papa johns reports that pizza sales during games are way down and question NFL leadership. Now ESPN and Fox Sports have lost a million subscribers in Oct alone. ESPN is hemoraging fans so fast at this rate they won’t have enough audience to justify the next NFL tv contract. Fox Sports thought it would be a good idea to have Jesse Jackson insult its audience and they could hear the air going out of thier base audience instantly. Maybe CBS could put on Al Sharpton to sink the ship completely.

From: Franzen
03-Nov-17

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From: 70lbdraw
03-Nov-17

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This veteran gets it...and he did the right thing!!

From: BIGHORN
03-Nov-17
After 50 years of watching the NFL I have found other things to do instead of wasting my time watching these overpaid chumps.

From: keepemsharp
03-Nov-17
The baseball players and the LA police people stuck it to them yesterday.

From: slade
05-Nov-17
NFL Continues to Suffer Massive Numbers of Empty Seats on Gameday

From: JTV
05-Nov-17
even Papa Johns may pull sponsorship ..

From: Woods Walker
05-Nov-17
There was football on today???

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05-Nov-17

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Papa is pissed. Never piss off the Papa.......

From: slade
05-Nov-17
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From: tonyo6302
06-Nov-17

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"I have only one personal thought, really. And I am so disappointed. And I used to love, during the fall and winter, to watch the NFL on Sunday. And it's not that I'm some great patriot. I was in the Navy for a year -- didn't go anywhere, didn't do anything. But I have overwhelming respect and admiration for anyone who puts on a uniform and goes to war. So the only thing I can do in my little way is not to preach. I will never watch another NFL game."?

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- Vin Scully

From: Jimbo
06-Nov-17
I watched the game Thursday night, watched three games yesterday (Sunday), and will watch tonight's Monday night game. That said, I support your right to protest, just as I do for the "kneelers." I'm a Navy veteran and a proud American... anyone kneeling has zero to do with the pride I feel for my nation... just like people not watching the NFL has zero impact on me.

From: Woods Walker
06-Nov-17
So if you had a business and I worked for you and I showed up for work that day wearing a shirt that said "N*GGERS SUCK!" on it, that'd be OK with you as my employer, because I was expressing my right to protest?

From: Atheist
06-Nov-17
Give it a rest WW. I’m fairly certain you would love to wear that shirt. But equating African-Americans protesting police brutality and oppression is nothing like the shirt you would love to wear. But nice attempt.

From: Woods Walker
06-Nov-17
Speak for yourself assw*pe. It's a legitimate question and is NO DIFFERENT in offensiveness than what the NFL players who kneel are doing. They can do what they want on their time. If they do it at work then their employers must agree with them. And I will NOT give it a rest, just like you won't.

From: Bentstick81
06-Nov-17
atheist, another obama hero. I see it's your shift to come on here and try to stir the $hit, all the while, showing the moron you are. Save yourself the embarrassment, and run off.

From: Jimbo
06-Nov-17
WW, I'd fire you on the spot for that.

Now, I'll attempt attempt to stay on topic. It wouldn't bother me one bit if NFL owners fired the players who kneel or sit. That's their right as owners of the business. Protests can have consequences, and that would be one example. But, the employees still have the right to protest, even if it costs them their jobs. Just like how you and others have the right to protest by boycotting the NFL, even if it means you deny yourself the enjoyment of following a team and sport you enjoy.

You'll never see me kneel or sit during our national anthem. I love our nation... warts and all. And, the right of FREE SPEECH is among our most treasured rights. I fully support it. I hope you do, too.

Personally, I think the players who are protesting have chosen a very poor way to go about getting attention for their cause. But, they get to make their own decisions... not me. And, I think the NFL boycott counter-protest is silly. But, those who boycott also get to make their own decisions.

I respect the right of kneelers and the boycotters to protest in ways they see fit... as long as they're non-violent and not infringing on the rights of others.

From: tonyo6302
06-Nov-17
"I respect the right of kneelers and the boycotters to protest in ways they see fit... "

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I do not respect their manner of protesting. I do not agree that anyone has the right to disrespect the Flag.

This is my protest speech: Obey the law, treat Cops respectfully, and Cops probably won't shoot you.

From: Woods Walker
06-Nov-17
I never said they didn't have a right to protest......on their own time. I would also fire someone on the spot for that as when they're at work they represent ME. So the NFL should do the same, that is, unless they agree with them. I really don't blame the players, as they are doing this and getting away with it with no consequences. I blame the NFL for letting it go on during games. They own it, so they should pay for it.

From: Tiger-Eye
06-Nov-17
Interesting in that while I am on a personal boycott of all things NFL, I stopped at friends house yesterday and he was watching football . I sat with him for a few minutes to discuss some work we were going to do at our hunting cabin next week. During that time I noticed that the coaches were wearing OD with camo accents and that there were 2 commercials with players paying tribute to servicemen.

Now was this in observance of veterans day or in response to the anthem controversy or perhaps a bit of both? Damage control you might say.

From: SunnyInCO
06-Nov-17
Tiger-Eye: A bit of both. As you probably know, the NFL does have a history of celebrating our first responders and military however OUR military also has a history of paying the NFL for the celebrations.

From: MT in MO
06-Nov-17
"however OUR military also has a history of paying the NFL for the celebrations."

The first nail in the coffin for the NFL for me. Then they strung St. Louis along with keeping the Rams and the city spent millions of dollars doing what they asked and then they left for LA was the 2nd nail.

The kneeling and protesting was the last nail...

Haven't wasted a Sunday afternoon watching TV once this year and do not anticipate that changing...

From: TD
06-Nov-17
The right to free speech means ONLY one thing. You cannot be ARRESTED for the speech. That's as far as that Right goes. Period. You can be arrested for infringing on others as in blocking roads, trespass, etc. But not the speech itself.

It is NOT as so many leftist liars state....... a freedom of recrimination resulting from your speech. Leftists seem either easily confused or blatantly dishonest.....

From: NvaGvUp
06-Nov-17
Broadcasting legend Vin Scully has weighed in:

From ESPN:

"Vin Scully, the Dodgers' Hall of Fame broadcaster, said Saturday protests by NFL players during the national anthem will keep him from watching the games.

Scully made the remark during an appearance Saturday night at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium in California.

During a question and answer session after his speech, he was asked about the players' protests.

Said Scully: "During the fall and winter, I watch the NFL on Sunday, and it's not that I'm some great patriot. I was in the Navy for a year, didn't go anywhere, didn't do anything, but I have overwhelming respect and admiration for anyone who puts on a uniform and goes to war. So the only thing that I can do in my little way is to not to preach; I will never watch another NFL game."

His comment was greeted by lengthy applause and cheers."

From: NvaGvUp
06-Nov-17
There's only one racist here on the CF that I know of, and that's Atheist.

He's the ONLY one here who judges people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

From: Whitey
07-Nov-17
Now the wife of a player is saying that the o line of the raiders is letting the QB Derek Carr get hit and injured on purpose because he doesn’t support the protests. They will start eating each other as the tension builds.

From: Shuteye
07-Nov-17
I saw where the Penn State coach lost a game in the last seconds by a really long, great field goal. His team was going off the field and he came unglued. He rushed over to them and made them go back on the field and shake hands with the winners. He said we will win with class and we will lose with class.

From: Bownarrow
07-Nov-17
FYI, free speech is not unequivocally protected. You cannot go into a movie theatre and yell "fire!" and use the 1st Amendment as a defense. You can get arrested for it. Courts weigh your right to speech with the rights of others to not be harmed by your speech. The same would be true of the t-shirt mentioned. Along with the business owner being potentially responsible for allowing a hostile work environment if the person were not forced to change it immediately or fired.

From: Whitey
07-Nov-17

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Now it gets interesting. The NFL owners will fight the collusion charges by saying this woman claiming Kaepernick raped her stopped them from signing him.

From: slade
08-Nov-17
Weak 9: Monday Night Football Edition of Packers-Lions Among Lowest Rated Week 9 MNF Games Ever

From: Franzen
08-Nov-17
"There's only one racist here on the CF that I know of, and that's Atheist. "

Don't forget LeftHandCanyonArcher, unless he got poofed.

From: Woods Walker
08-Nov-17
Nope. The drug pusher is still here.

From: slade
10-Nov-17

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This is from NBC Sports......

NFL Ratings decline could soon become more pronounced.

From: Thumper
10-Nov-17
"I personally hope that they go belly up. I'd rather watch paint dry."

Some sports writers are projecting the NFL will never fully recover and remain damaged goods.

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12-Nov-17

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12-Nov-17

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Today at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Florida, the stands took quite a while to fill to about half full. I don't know what 'normal' is. I think a total of about 2 or 3 Buc's knelt for the anthem. Didn't see any Jets go down....till they got beat.

Still fun, despite the antics of a couple of rebellious players. If they only knew what we know, they might wake up and take their stand for America with the rest of us.

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12-Nov-17

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12-Nov-17

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12-Nov-17

From: Tiger eye
12-Nov-17
No NFL for me this year. Replaced that with Sunday fly fishing and chores around the house . A few salmon in the freezer and a few steelhead all the wiser about estaz eggs. Also the garage is alot cleaner than it has been, some fresh paint in the hallway and livingoom. Wifey is happy I'm happy.

From: Thumper
15-Nov-17
AP by Dominic Patten November 14, 2017 6:57am

Monday Night Football suffers another NFL ratings disaster, this one featuring the Miami Dolphins

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article184733378.html#storylink=cpy

From: slade
15-Nov-17
Miami-Carolina Registers 4th Worst Rating in the History of Monday Night Football

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19-Nov-17

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19-Nov-17

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19-Nov-17

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19-Nov-17

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19-Nov-17

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19-Nov-17
Actually brought a smile to my face. Thank you for the pictures Craig.

From: slade
23-Nov-17
NFL Ratings Slide Is Getting Worse, with No End in Sight The Associated Press by WARNER TODD HUSTON23 Nov 20174,651

Ratings for the National Football League have gotten worse as Week 11 passes in the rear-view, with the league losing one million viewers over the numbers from 2016 as protests during the national anthem continue.

Some analysts felt the ratings slump showed signs of slowing over week 9 and 10, but the downward trend picked back up for Week 11. With a loss of 6.3 percent compared to last week’s loss of 5.7 percent the loss of viewers deepened, the New York Post reported.

The 6.3 percent dip reflects a viewership of 14.9 million viewers, which is down a million from the 15.9 earned in Week 11 last year.

Two games for Week 11 did have audience gains.

NBC’s Sunday Night Football saw a 12 percent hike over last year’s numbers as the Philadelphia Eagles topped the Dallas Cowboys 37 to 9.

Fox’s matchup between the Washington Redskins and the New Orleans Saints, also saw some growth with a ten percent hike.

With TV ratings off nearly 20 percent for the season over all, the networks have reportedly lost up to $500 million in ad revenue. The ratings slide is reflected in the sparse attendance at the stadiums, too, with Week 11 photos showing that there are still empty seats galore.

Indeed, stadium attendance has been so bad that there is some evidence that ticket prices on the secondary markets such as StubHub have fallen to new lows. Tickets to the Thanksgiving game between the Washington Redskins and the New York Giants were selling at $10 a piece at one point. That reflects poorly on tickets that, in some cases, would normally sell for over $100.

From: slade
24-Nov-17

slade's Link
NFL Thanksgiving Primetime Ratings Crash by 10 Percent

Black Friday will have different meanings to different people this year, for 99.9 percent of American businesses it will be a day when profits soar and businesses finish the year strong. For the NFL, it will be the day they received yet another reminder that they’re doing the opposite of those things.

In what has become a consistent pattern for the league this year, the NFL put a bad product on the field, insulted the country with another protest by a privileged millionaire, and got a bad television rating. Thanksgiving’s primetime clash between the Redskins and the Giants registered a 9.7 in metered markets, down 10 percent from last year.

From: BIG BEAR
24-Nov-17
For someone who is boycotting the NFL..... you sure seem to be paying a whole lot of attention to their ratings and spending a lot of time to report here on it. It was one asshat player in 3 games.... screw him.

From: Tiger eye
24-Nov-17
NYG vs WASH was the only game I watched all year. And ony about 1/2 hour of that.

From: slade
25-Nov-17
Boycotting? Nice try....

I am just sharing what the pontificating closet democrat claimed would not happen along with those who are too self absorbed with their own entertainment.

From: Thumper
25-Nov-17
Well I have to admit, if I had known the Cowboys were going down in such a defeat I would have watched the game. Cowboys lost me as a fan for they way the new owner so disrespectfully fired Tom Landry. A combat veteran who flew 30 B-17 missions during World War II.

From: Bowfreak
25-Nov-17
Thumper,

I appreciate Landry's service but it has nothing to down with whether he was able to win football games. That is all that matters for coaching in the NFL.

From: Thumper
25-Nov-17
There are other ways to replace a head coach. Jerry wanted a head coach that won games. Jimmy Johnson won only one game all season.

From: slade
25-Nov-17

From: TD
25-Nov-17
Let me see..... sensing a pattern.... ratings down when two crappy teams play..... ratings up when two contenders (or sometimes just "name" teams) are playing....

WRT Giants and Redskins, even more clear cut.... a mediocre and bad team playing..... in the THIRD game of the day.... and ratings are down.... shocked, just shocked...

And I believe Big Bear is correct, the figure I heard was a grand total of one player did not stand for the anthem in thursdays 3 games.

From: Sixby
25-Nov-17
I did not miss a single game. I didn't watch one either.

God bless, Steve

From: Bou'bound
25-Nov-17
Just root for the patriots and it will all be fine

From: BIG BEAR
25-Nov-17
Tom Brady is as close as I'm going to get to a Michigan guy winning the Super Bowl..... University of Michigan that is....

From: Bowfreak
25-Nov-17
Jimmy Johnson set the cowboys up for a decade. There are not special credits for coaches. Either you get it done or not.

From: trublucolo
25-Nov-17
Landry was a good coach in his era, the game passed him up.

From: tonyo6302
26-Nov-17
"the game passed him up"

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I wonder, did the game really pass him up, or does todays Prima Donnas not have the mental toughness to learn and absorb Landry's discipline.

Given the crying and the bended knees, I think it is the latter.

From: Pig Doc
26-Nov-17
A lot of guys throwing their arms out patting themselves on the back for being such great patriots by not watching the NFL. When some of you start doing something positive for veterans and police officers I might be impressed. What a joke.

From: trublucolo
26-Nov-17
tonyo, the team discipline is definitely not there I agree. I was referring more to speed of the game with todays athletes, offenses becoming more diverse, defenses getting faster, etc. As far as the athletes kneeling........ It's offensive to me personally but I never had that high of an opinion of most of the tatted up, gang fringe element in the game to start with.

Denver lost a DB a few years ago to a gang related retaliation shooting- if you're going to embrace the thug life you're susceptible to paying the price.

From: slade
26-Nov-17
Americans who think America is great get it, Americans who think they are great, not so much....

Empty Seats Trend Moves into Week 12 in Stadiums Across Country as Anthem Protests Continue !

From: Pig Doc
26-Nov-17
It's pretty easy to get pics of empty seats. Just take the pic before the game or right after half time when people are still in the concourses. I watched parts of the game in Philadelphia and the one in Atlanta and both stadiums were packed. Only a mental midget would believe these pictures have any significance. Oh, look who posted them...

From: BIG BEAR
26-Nov-17
That Philadelphia game looks pretty packed at kick off... 15 minutes later there probably wasn't an empty seat.....

From: slade
26-Nov-17

From: BIG BEAR
26-Nov-17
Wow a fight in football.... that's so shocking.... there were quite a few fights in baseball this year.... what's your point Slade ?? You want to see some really violent fights ?? Tune in to soccer.......

From: slade
27-Nov-17

slade's Link
Weak 12: Empty Seats Greatly Outnumber Fans As NFL Treats Shrinking Number of Spectators to Protests, Fights, and Bad Football

More than a dozen NFL players went back to protesting against the country in the first NFL action since the Thanksgiving holiday. Not surprisingly, while the protests continued, fans continued to leave thousands of empty seats in stadiums across the league. With players from at least ten teams once again speaking out against the U.S.A. in a variety of ways during the national anthem, photos of empty seats filled the Internet once again.

With the San Francisco 49ers playing at home and players once again mounting a protest during the anthem, fans stayed away in droves for the 49ers loss to the Seattle Seahawks:

From: BIG BEAR
27-Nov-17
You know you can trust a news source that can't even spell week..........

From: Pig Doc
27-Nov-17
Simple rule I abide by - if slade posts it it's likely bullshit.

From: Mad dog
27-Nov-17
I agree with Tony. He was stern and had class. The overpaid thugs became legion on The Cowboys and The NFL. I rooted against the comboys, but to call him a "good coach in his era" is not Correct. He was one of the greats. Mad Dog

27-Nov-17
No matter what happens, I will respect those that stick with their convictions versus caving in to their own desires. I never will understand fans who go to the game but, leave when they see the protests. For Pete's sake, do they think these spoiled babies aren't going to do it based on their attendance?

I will never understand a patriotic American choosing to support the NFL after these players have been allowed to do this. I'm not judging anyone or, suggesting I'm more patriotic. I simply cannot reason how any American that loves their country, would chose to support these clowns over their own country. Call me simple I suppose. God Bless men

From: BIG BEAR
27-Nov-17
WV.... so what are your thoughts of the hundreds of active duty U.S. Navy personnel who appeared on Fox's pregame show on Veterans Day weekend from Norfolk Naval base ??

From: Pig Doc
27-Nov-17
WV, and what are your thoughts about several hundred NFL players starting and contributing to foundations that support veterans, police officers, sick children and others in need. Does that not fit in your "simple" black and white world?

From: slade
30-Nov-17

slade's Link
This is getting better then Hee-Haw.....

""NFL to Contribute $100 Million to Social Justice Causes as Part of Anthem Protest Surrender''

From: Annony Mouse
30-Nov-17
Move Over Sharpton- There Are New Shakedown Artists In Town

The NFL has agreed to pay 89 million dollars to “black causes” in exchange for… nuthin.

While the NFL pays the extortion, players can continue kneeling, protesting, or do whatever else it is they want to do. Forbes reports that the “plan also includes player-directed donations to other community-oriented groups.”

Fans are expected to shell out cash to watch millionaire players whine that blacks get a raw deal in America while they get side money to donate to other racist organizations that are for the advancement of blacks only.

From: BIG BEAR
30-Nov-17
How is it extortion if the NFL gets "nuthin" in return ? What is the definition of extortion ? C'mon Jack.... you're smarter than that.....

From: BIG BEAR
30-Nov-17
Thanks to the NHL's Hockey in Harlem program.... and it's Hockey is For Everyone initiative..... minority kids in the inner city are being given a chance to hit the ice and play hockey..... I could cite the same types of programs for Major League Baseball..... so what's your point.... its their money.... no one is offering them anything in return.... so they can spend their money however they feel fit....

From: Thumper
30-Nov-17
Rating and viewers are still in the tank. Monday night football worst ratings ever. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

From: slade
01-Dec-17

From: Thumper
01-Dec-17
Damage is already done. Last Monday's NFL game had the worst ratings ever posted by the NFL.

The NFL paying 100 million in blackmail money to social justice organizations while charging the US Defense Department a 100 million to honor our soldiers is not going to help their ratings, its going to hurt the rating even more. The NFL has just put themselves on the same level as the World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. its a down hill slide from which the NFL will never recover. Stick a fork in them, they're done.

From: Whitey
01-Dec-17
The players are protesting equality. I agree it’s unfair that people are born 6’5” and 275 and can run a 4.6 40. They are privledged. Half of the money should be spent to equalize the NFL by allowing 5’6” 50 year old white guys play in the NFL. In the name of equality of course.

From: Woods Walker
01-Dec-17
What's an NFL???/

From: Anony Mouse
01-Dec-17
Going to be hard paying multi-million dollar contracts when tickets will have to be heavily discounted to lure their customer base back...and cut the cost of concessions. Self- destruction not good for business.

Many viewers got tired of constant commercial breaks... that will also have to be addressed. Stupid that a 60 minute game stretches over 3 hours. That is why I stopped watching several years ago...too many things to do than sit in front of the TV all afternoon.

After ignoring for a few games, the NFL just wasn't important any more and I found I got more time outdoors and hobbies.

Probably the next game I take the time to watch will be the Lion's in a Superbowl; i.e. never. ;0)

From: BIG BEAR
01-Dec-17
Yeah it's a crying shame.... NFL quarterbacks will only make 10 million a year now.... no more 20 million a year contracts.... How is a guy to live off 10 million a year ???

From: sleepyhunter
01-Dec-17
I drive by AT&T stadium everyday. Not near as many fans walking to the stadium yesterday for the game last night. Parking lots were not even close to full. I passed by at 5:45 yesterday afternoon.

From: BIGHORN
02-Dec-17
I still haven't watched a game and I don't plan on watching the playoffs. The NFL can suck eggs and I won't care. However, I will watch the college games.

From: Pig Doc
03-Dec-17
I'm enjoying the NFL this afternoon. Freezer full of elk, deer and fish, fire in the fireplace, and football on the tube. Vikings are winning. Wifey is bringing wings from BW's. Beer is cold. Doesn't get much better.

From: Pig Doc
03-Dec-17
Vikings win! Skol baby!

From: slade
03-Dec-17
Weak 13: Empty Seats Greatly Outnumber Spectators As NFL Attendance Crisis Continues

From: Yendor
04-Dec-17
Sunday night football in Seattle. Sellout, loud and another fantastic game by MVP Russell Wilson.

From: slade
04-Dec-17

slade's Link
Ravens, NFL scramble as fans stay home

It seems paradoxical: The Ravens, who have sold out every home game since they arrived in Baltimore in 1996, are advertising tickets for Sunday’s contest at M&T Bank Stadium.

But this is where the Ravens find themselves in 2017: Contemplating the prospect of empty seats, and appealing to fans to “Win Together. Purchase your tickets today!” even as the team is contending for what would be its first playoff berth since 2014.

Thousands of fans are trying to resell their tickets to the sold-out game Sunday against the Detroit Lions at 71,000-seat M&T Bank Stadium via Ticketmaster, the team’s official resale outlet, or StubHub. Seats were available this week in almost every section; an $80 ticket for an upper end zone seat could be had for as little as $29.

Every week, some ticket holders must miss the game. But the NFL is laboring across the board this season to maintain its fan base and minimize no-shows. It’s not just the Ravens. Television ratings are down league-wide and empty seats can be seen at many games.

From: BIG BEAR
04-Dec-17
The Super Bowl has been cancelled...... I saw it on line. It's true and if anyone questions it you are just being a critical thinker jerk.....

From: Glunt@work
04-Dec-17
I spent Sunday at my kids hockey game. Back and forth game ending in a tie 5-5 with the lead changing right up to the last few seconds.

From: trublucolo
04-Dec-17

trublucolo's Link
Even the AP admits attendance is lagging, ........ if you can get through the article. Poor, pitiful Kaepernik.

From: Whitey
04-Dec-17
We snow shoed up the mountains a cut down a Christmas tree. We don’t have big beer guts and chicken legs like most NFL fans.

From: sleepyhunter
04-Dec-17
""The Super Bowl has been cancelled"""

Not in our lifetime. The NFL will never pass on a opportunity to make the USA look bad in front of the entire World.

From: BIG BEAR
04-Dec-17
Haven't you heard Sleepy.... the NFL is going belly up.....

From: Whitey
04-Dec-17
They are not going bankrupt yet they will have to wait for the CTE lawsuit party to start for that to happen. But a critical thinker would see that they have offered a $100 million settlement to stop the kneelers. I suppose they just did that out of the kindness of thier hearts? Pretty significant white flag for any business.

From: BIG BEAR
04-Dec-17
Tells me they have a lot of money to throw around....And I don't think there is any agreement from the players to stop kneeling in exchange for the 100 million donation

From: trublucolo
04-Dec-17
100M, who's salary they going to cut?? Nah, pass it on to the ticket holder.

From: slade
04-Dec-17

slade's Link
Weak 13: Empty Seats Greatly Outnumber Spectators As NFL Attendance Crisis Continues

From: BIG BEAR
04-Dec-17
Yawn

06-Dec-17

Spike Bull 's Link
"NFL throws up white flag: $89 million deal will benefit Soros-backed leftist groups

"December 6, 2017 | Scott Morefield |

When faced with a choice between its most vocal ‘take-a-knee’ protesters and the majority of the fans whose viewership and spending actually make those multi-million dollar salaries possible, the NFL has officially made a hard-Left.

And by hard-Left, I mean an unholy alliance with the Lucifer of Leftism, George Soros himself.

That’s right, that $89 million the NFL recently pledged to so-called “social justice causes” over the next seven years will actually go to several organizations connected to the billionaire liberal activist, including the Center for American Progress, Campaign for Fair Sentencing, and Dream Corps, among others.

The Washington Times calls Dreams Corps “…a leftist advocacy group led by former Obama adviser Van Jones and linked to Mr. Soros, which has called for saving the Clean Power Plan, cutting the prison population by half and providing ‘sanctuary for all.'”

According to the Times: “The $89 million, seven-year deal also carves out millions of dollars for the Players Coalition, according to ESPN, which has been advised by Soros-funded groups such as the Campaign for Fair Sentencing of Youth and the Center for American Progress, a leader of the anti-Trump ‘resistance.'”

NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart is trying to downplay initial reports by stressing that the decisions are not final, saying in an email, “No decisions have been made on where the money will go yet, much less all the money over the next 7 years. Those decisions will be made by the working group that has not been formed yet.”

However, considering that the NFL player’s union has already publicly partnered with the Soros-linked group Center for Community Change Action, a leftist group that finances anti-Trump protests, the prognosis seems pretty grim.

According to the Washington Times:

…the ACLU, Campaign for Fair Sentencing of Youth and the Center for American Progress — have received funding from Mr. Soros’ Open Society Foundations.

Mr. Soros’ fingerprints can also be found on the Dream Corps, which merged in 2014 with Green for All, an environmental group founded by Mr. Jones in 2007 whose funders included Open Society as well as former Vice President Al Gore’s Alliance for Climate Protection, according to Discover the Networks.

Mr. Jones resigned as President Obama’s “green jobs czar” in 2009 amid reports of his earlier Marxist activism, including his oft-quoted declaration that he became a communist after the 1992 acquittal of Los Angeles police officers who beat up Rodney King.

Additionally, the agreement reportedly doesn’t even include a provision that the attendance-killing ‘take-a-knee’ protests come to a merciful end. Instead, the money will simply be taken from existing NFL sponsored causes such as Salute to Service and breast cancer awareness."

From: slade
10-Dec-17

slade's Link
NFL HELL: Multiple Stadiums Plagued By Empty Seats Woes In Week 14 (PHOTOS) by Joshua Caplan 9 Comments

NFL stadium attendance continues to suffer as the backlash from players protesting the National Anthem extends into week 14. Fans from across the league are sharing photos of empty seats at kickoff and well into the first quarter this Sunday.

Prompted by poor attendance, the teams like the Buffalo Bills are selling tickets at rock bottom prices.

A beer costs more than a ticket to the Indianapolis Colts vs. Buffalo Bills game this Sunday

From: BIG BEAR
10-Dec-17
The ratings are so bad that all the games were cancelled from TV...... and the Super Bowl has been cancelled......

From: Tiger eye
10-Dec-17
NFL = No Fans Left.

From: Bentstick81
10-Dec-17
Super Bowl has been cancelled??? Good!

From: Woods Walker
10-Dec-17
Who cares?

From: Glunt@work
11-Dec-17
If it ever did go away (it wont in my lifetime), here us a list of how it would impact me:

From: Bowfreak
11-Dec-17

Bowfreak's Link
Everything is still peachy in the NFL.....

From: Anony Mouse
11-Dec-17
$3 tickets will lead to teams hiring shills to pay passerbys to accept free tickets ;0)

From: Owl
11-Dec-17
Goodell just signed a $40m contract extension, right?

From: Anony Mouse
11-Dec-17

From: Mad dog
11-Dec-17
Dumb (Goodell)...and dumber (The owners & board who keep him at the helm). Man I miss Pete Roselle! Mad Dog

From: BIG BEAR
12-Dec-17
The cheapest ticket I see on Stub Hub for Saturday's Lions/ Bears game is $75 for standing room only....... For 2 teams that are out of the playoffs as of right now..... Lower bowl...300-400 a seat

From: BIG BEAR
14-Dec-17
It looks like a packed house in Indianapolis tonight for 2 crappy teams....

From: tonyo6302
21-Dec-17

From: tonyo6302
21-Dec-17
Yep, it is that simple, and Merle sang it better than I can verbalize it.

From: Pig Doc
21-Dec-17
I don't see you doing any fighting - just pissing and moaning. When you actually do something come back and tell us about it.

From: tonyo6302
22-Dec-17
. . . and you piss and moan about others expressing their opinions.

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Pot, meet kettle.

From: Pig Doc
23-Dec-17
Vikings 16 Green Bay 0. Lambeau was packed including a lot of Vikings fans. Good old fashioned smash mouth football.

From: slade
24-Dec-17

From: BIG BEAR
24-Dec-17
Give it up Slade,,,,, The NFL isn't going away....... if you watched the Packers game you would have seen the seats were full for a team that is out of the playoffs......

From: Pig Doc
24-Dec-17
Full of guys in camo and blaze orange, fur hats, snowmobile suits and cheese head hats. Not a kneeler in sight. Any dope with a computer can find photos of half empty stadiums right after half time or at the end of a blowout. Doesn't mean the NFL is going away. Sorry to disappoint the haters.

From: Mad dog
24-Dec-17
Ok, Big Bear & Pig Doc. NFL is humming along and hasn't been deeply hurt financially and Image-wise by this, yes? Please splain. Mad Dog

From: Pig Doc
24-Dec-17
How bout you "splain" how it has been deeply hurt with something other than fake pictures of empty stadiums.

From: BIG BEAR
24-Dec-17
Has it been hurt financially ?? Sure it has.... They might only be able to afford to pay quarterbacks 10 million a year now..... But hoping and wishing the NFL goes away ain't gonna make it happen....

From: Pig Doc
24-Dec-17

Pig Doc's Link
Attendance down 1%. I wouldn't call that "deeply hurt".

From: Mad dog
24-Dec-17
I'll confess. Have A TON of trouble putting Links up here. I'm on a smart phone and I am not very computer Saavy. That being said, when I type in my Link, it says "wrong format." WTF? Irrespective, I've have many links to buttress the fact the attendance & viewership is down 30 %. Then, there are the intangibles: when a regular deplorable like me, a 3rd gen. Giant Fan and family that lived & breathed the game, played Pop Warner, H.S. semi pro and brother and cousins, & friends who played MAJOR college football are DONE AND NO LONGER WATCHING NFL GAMES, there IS A PROBLEM. Stick your head in the sand as long as you wish, but the NFL is circling the drain. They will NEVER attain the same legendary status & respect they had...even 5 yrs ago..its over. Will they still be rich spolied bitches...yes...but the party is OVER.. MAD Dog

From: slade
24-Dec-17
Attendance Down 1% according to Goodell, talk about fake news....:)

From: Pig Doc
24-Dec-17

Pig Doc's Link
Hate to burst your bubble mad dog but you are wrong. Yes, there are some empty seats at stadiums with losing teams, there are every year, but attendance is not down 30%. I've been to 3 Vikings games this year and the stadium was packed for every game. Lambeau was packed last night. There is a 30 year waiting list for season tickets for the Packers. The kneeling was bad for the NFL but the hype is already gone. In a year no one will even talk about it. Advertising revenue is up to $513 million per game, $9 million higher than last year. Advertisers are not bailing on the league. Ad costs for the upcoming SB are projected to be higher than last year. I think concussions and player safety are much bigger issues for the league than the kneeling issue. You have every right to be upset about the behavior of the players but you are wrong to assume that the majority of people share your sentiments.

From: bigeasygator
24-Dec-17
Superdome was absolutely rocking today! Who Dat!!

Pretty sure there are quite a few empty seats for the team’s that are 4-10 right now. Every game that mattered was jam packed!

From: BIG BEAR
24-Dec-17
Stupid Lions. Dumb ass loser Lions. Merry freaking Christmas Lions fans...... You SUCK LIONS !!!!!!

Go VIKINGS !!!

From: Pig Doc
24-Dec-17
How could it be rockin' when everyone is boycotting the games and the NFL is circling the drains? ;)

From: slade
24-Dec-17

From: slade
24-Dec-17

From: slade
24-Dec-17
Well into the second quarter and thousands of red and yellow colored seats are still available.

From: bigeasygator
24-Dec-17
Lol. You posted pics of the 5-9 Bengals, halftime of the Carolina game, and what looks like pregame of the Chiefs game. What is this supposed to prove exactly?

From: Pig Doc
24-Dec-17
As I said earlier, any dope can go on a computer and find pictures of empty seats. slade proves it every week. News flash, people leave their seats at halftime. A buddy of mine has a suite at Arrowhead and was at the game today - said is was packed.

From: SB
24-Dec-17
Watched my first game in years yesterday. Nothing better than a good Minnesota ass whooping! And a shutout at that!

From: slade
25-Dec-17
Any dope can get his panties twisted time after time, estimates 18,000 empty seats.

From: slade
25-Dec-17
Anyone other than a back slapping pontificating blowhard can clearly this is not halftime.

Merry Christmas

From: slade
25-Dec-17

slade's Link
Weak 16: Christmas Did Not Come for the NFL’s Empty Stadiums

From: Amoebus
25-Dec-17
Big Bear - "Stupid Lions. Dumb ass loser Lions. Merry freaking Christmas Lions fans...... You SUCK LIONS !!!!!! Go VIKINGS !!!"

Hehe - I have said that (sometimes with less cursing and reversing the teams) every year since I can remember my first Vikings season - maybe 1970...

From: NvaGvUp
25-Dec-17
I've been watching the 49'ers games all year (which was painful until Garapollo took over at QB and is now awesome).

I noticed a few weeks ago that USAA ads were no longer running on the telecasts. Since then it appears the Navy Federal Credit Union has also pulled their ads.

My guess is the kneeling will end before the 2018 season kicks off.

From: Pig Doc
25-Dec-17
Keep posting pictures moron. Let's see, Christmas weekend, losing team, empty seats. Huge surprise. I could post pictures of full stadiums all over the league as well and it proves nothing.

From: sleepyhunter
25-Dec-17
As bad as the Cowboys played yesterday, the whole stadium should have gone home.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Dec-17
Pig Doc,

If you owned a move theater or a retail store and consumer traffic in your store dropped significantly, would you say that was irrelevant as well?

From: bigeasygator
25-Dec-17
Another shocker from Slade! A bunch of empty seats during a winter weather game between the 0-14 Browns at the 4-10 Bears. I don’t think some of you understand how this attendance thing works.

From: Pig Doc
25-Dec-17

Pig Doc's Link
Duh.

Fact is though, attendance is not down significantly. And the real point I'm making here is slade's twitter pictures are total bullshit. Photos of empty seats taken at halftime, photos from the start of games when fans are not in their seats, photos from stadiums of losing teams, etc. prove nothing. Only a gullible fool would take those photos as evidence of anything. The attached link shows attendance numbers by team by week for the season. Attendance dipped mid-season due mainly to bye weeks and possibly the kneeling issue. Now they are back at over 1 million fans per week. Chargers attendance has sucked all season due to the move from San Diego to LA. Losers like Cleveland, NY Giants, Denver and Oakland (moving to Las Vegas is also an issue) are having poor attendance. Looks like there are some empty seats at the Texans/Steelers game today but the Texans are 4-10 and who wants to go to a game on Christmas day to see a team that's out of the playoffs? Most of the league is still selling out games with packed stadiums. The guys here who think the league is going to fold because of a few kneelers are delusional.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Dec-17
Sorry, Pic Doc, but I've watched a lot of games in many stadiums this year and the cameras, esp. the field level cameras, frequently let you see the crowd, or in this case, the lack thereof, in the background.

What I've been seeing this year is that over and over and over again, DURING PLAY, are somewhat good crowds in the lower deck, but pathetic crowds in the 2nd and 3rd decks.

Remember, most seats at NFL games are sold out long in advance, mainly by season ticket holders who have to submit payment months in advance of the start of the season. So comparing tickets sold (which is what the NFL counts) vs. actual butts in the seats, ie., reality, is in no way a fair comparison to what's happening this year.

Sure, there are a FEW stadiums like Lambeau Field, for example, that will be jammed packed. But everywhere else, not even close.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Dec-17
From Forbes:

"How Sports Attendance Figures Speak Lies

Maury Brown , Contributor

If you go to a sporting event, somewhere between the time when you get situated and when start heading back for home, you look around at the crowd and take it in. Is the crowd electrified for the home team? Has the town turned out in support? How's the attendance?

For clubs across the major sports leagues in North America, attendance is one of – if not the – key revenue streams.

But, it’s more.

Have a bunch of sellouts, and it drives sponsorships. Come up short in the NFL, and you have television blackouts. The number reported in Major League Baseball determines factors as it pertains to revenue-sharing.

In other words, attendance is a big deal.

But, here’s the thing: since attendance has become such a key component for sports leagues, the actual idea that it shows how many people are actually at a game is a fantasy. Here’s some ins and outs of the attendance game based on research by the BizofBaseball.com for Forbes SportsMoney.

Paid Attendance is not “attendance”

If you followed the business of sports, you’ll know that about 20 years ago, the move to count tickets sold, as opposed to turnstile clicks, became what is reported in the boxscores. The reason – wholly done for accounting purposes for the clubs – showed what matters to owners most: money.

In the age of legitimate ticket resale, more emphasis on corporate sales, blocks of premium seating, etc. how many people actually come to the game is not nearly as important as whether there are tickets sold. Sure it matters who goes, but ticket sales, especially in advance, gives cost certainty.

This issue, one might contend, creates revisionist history. Ask yourself: in 20 years when a budding student is taking sports business classes and is asked to say whether the sport was popular or not, don’t you think pointing to published attendance figures will be used to talk of its popularity? In that sense, we can only say how willing consumers, which includes large and small businesses, were willing to purchase tickets, not how many actually attended the live sporting event.

Fudging the numbers

The NFL’s blackout policy has helped drive artificial attendance across the league. Faced with a “sell it out, or it’s blacked out” mandate, those clubs that are near the edge of not being sold out have seen actions that artificially reach sellout numbers."

From: Tiger eye
25-Dec-17
I think overall attendance is down as people found other things to do in fall ie hunt, fish, house chores, and other outdoor activities. As winter sets in and outdoor interests wane the onset of playoff football will most likely provide an uptick in attendance and tv viewership. On whole though, the year was down, and will in turn effect owners profits. Especially losing teams. A few more years of stagnant attendance, and the NFL will be akin to Roller Derby.

From: trublucolo
25-Dec-17
Rescheduled the remaining Sunday night games or were they never scheduled?

From: Grey Ghost
25-Dec-17
The Denver Broncos are one team that actually announces "butt-in-seats" attendance, not just ticket sales. The no-shows are roundly booed when the figure is announced at home games.

After an 8 game losing streak, the Broncos only had 5186 no-shows in a stadium that holds 76K, in a meaningless game against the Jets a few weeks ago. I guess 70K folks had forgotten about the kneeling nonsense.

I think the NFL is going to be fine, despite the hopes of the whining boycotters.

Matt

From: Bowfreak
25-Dec-17
Matt,

Using the Broncos, Patriots, Steelers or Packers as an example is not going to reflect the rest of the league. Their attendance is always great. On the contrary....showing Paul Brown Stadium empty means nothing either. The truth is, attendence is down but I am not sure it is at alarm level for the NFL. Also...don't think that the owners are not concerned because the trend is not good over the past few years.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Dec-17
The NFL is not 'going away.'

But they are paying a steep price for allowing some of their employees to $h!t on a large percentage of their fans and will continue to do so until they put a stop to this crappola, and rightly so.

"Payback is a bitch!"

From: Grey Ghost
25-Dec-17
Mark,

From a financial perspective, the NFL plateaued at a very high bar a few years ago, and has remained mostly flat since. Despite that, most companies only dream of the profits NFL teams make, even now. I don't see any NFL team owners anxiously trying to sell their interests. In fact, I can't think of one off the top.

NFL football remains a widely popular entertainment, and profitable business. It's not going anywhere quickly.

Matt

From: NvaGvUp
25-Dec-17
Matt,

I guess you've never heard of Jerry Richardson.

From: bigeasygator
25-Dec-17
He’s cashing out in the face of sexual misconduct allegations, not because his franchise is hurting financially.

25-Dec-17
GiveItUp is never wrong. His mind is actually incapable of holding a belief that isn’t true. Any facts that contradict his true beliefs are rendered false as soon as he believes they are false. He’s sort off like the Chuck Norris of the CF.

Broncos still selling out and still booing the now shows. I love being a Broncos fan. I love football and I love this time of year!!!

Merry Christmas everybody!!!

From: NvaGvUp
25-Dec-17
LHCA,

Make all of the false and uninformed claims you like.

But they are false and uninformed.

You smoke a LOT of joints, don't you.

From: trublucolo
25-Dec-17
"I guess you've never heard of Jerry Richardson"

Isn't he the guy that might get plus or minus 2 billion for a "failing" NFL Franchise?

From: Pig Doc
25-Dec-17
"Sure, there are a FEW stadiums like Lambeau Field, for example, that will be jammed packed. But everywhere else, not even close."

Bullcrap Kyle. I've personally been to 3 Vikings games this year and the place was packed to the rafters. A close friend goes to every game at Arrowhead and they've all been packed. There are still a lot of good teams that have full stadiums every game - Minnesota, Green Bay, Philly, KC, New England, Dallas, New Orleans, Seattle, Washington and Pittsburgh to name a few.

"But they are paying a steep price for allowing some of their employees to $h!t on a large percentage of their fans and will continue to do so until they put a stop to this crappola, and rightly so."

More bullcrap. What price have they paid? You stated yourself that the tickets were already sold. Ad revenue is higher than it has ever been. All this hype about kneelers is already over and it has cost the NFL virtually nothing. A financial genius like you should know that.

From: Pig Doc
25-Dec-17
"I guess you've never heard of Jerry Richardson."

You mean the guy that bought the Panthers for $203 million in 1993 and is about to sell them for $2.8 billion? I suppose he would have done better following your investment advice. ROTFLMAO!

From: Thumper
26-Dec-17
NFL ratings are down, Goodell can blow all the smoke he wants and it will not change this fact.

NFL now has a creditable image lower than that of the WWE. LWL gang-bangers and protesters gaining even more control of the NFL. Any gains in ticket sales will have to come from their new demographics, one that's not accustom to paying. Saying the NFL has not lost a good part of their conservative fan base is out right denial.

From: Solo
26-Dec-17

Solo's Link
For the few among us who have internet access, NFL attendance data no longer needs to remain a hidden mystery... ;^)

Here are some links covering the past few years.....

2015 NFL Attendance

2016 NFL Attendance

2017 NFL Attendance (during week 16)

At a quick glance, I'm not able to identify any significant downward attendance trends. But maybe someone else is able to see more than I can right off....

From: Solo
26-Dec-17
PD, I just noticed you had already linked to this website. My bad....

Anyway, as time ticks by I have to figure that more & more of these guys are going to wake up from their adolescent dreams to begin acting like the mature professionals they are hired to be.

From: Bowfreak
26-Dec-17
Truth be told it only matters who is watching. Viewership dropping is the only concern. Given there are so many ways to watch games now it's difficult to determine viewership. We will know in the future if less people are watching or not based on sponsorship.

From: bigeasygator
26-Dec-17
Bowfreak is right. Ticket sales (and attendance does not equal ticket sales from a financial perspective) comprise about 15-20% of the NFL revenue stream. Even if ticket sales were down 10% (they aren’t), you’re looking at a 1-2% impact on the NFL’s top line. Long story short, these “empty” stadium pics are nothing but fake news.

From: MT in MO
26-Dec-17
I haven't watched an entire game all season. Caught a few plays here and there when sitting in a bar or restaurant and the game was on. Haven't missed it at all. Still put a $100 down on the Super Bowl. I will still drink beer and eat wings and go to a Super Bowl Party on Super Bowl Sunday.

I have been enjoying my personal little boycott and don't understand why anyone would be obsessed with the NFL failing or not failing....unless of course you have some kind financial interest in them...

Personally, I think the thing that will kill football will be the brain injuries. Regardless of how prevalent they are, the 'don't want to do anything that might injure someone' crowd will either shut the game down completely or will modify it so much it won't resemble the game of today...JMO

From: Bowfreak
26-Dec-17
"Personally, I think the thing that will kill football will be the brain injuries."

This. Liberalism is already creeping into football and has been for a while. It is nothing like the game we watched 10 years ago. I never thought I would see the day where a penalty was assessed due to a guy hitting someone too hard.

From: Mad dog
26-Dec-17
Apple's to oranges, Pig Doc. Viking & Packer fans are the most hardcore & loyal and live & die by the game. They are an anomaly in all this. Mad Dog

From: NvaGvUp
26-Dec-17
From HotAir this morning:

"NFL plots a cure for sagging ratings, empty seats

Jazz ShawPosted, December 26, 2017

We’re quickly approaching New Years, which is traditionally a time for reflection on the events of the past year and plans for how to do better over the next twelve months.

That’s particularly true for the NFL, which has seen both its television ratings and live attendance in many stadiums plunge precipitously in 2017. As the Washington Times reports this week, the leadership in the league is busy analyzing precisely what caused all of this and how they might address it in 2018.

Your first guess might logically be that the National Anthem protests were a big driving factor. That was definitely part of it, but media analysts and league insiders are also seeing a number of other disturbing trends affecting their bottom line, many of which were entirely of their own making.

The NFL is approaching the playoffs looking for a ratings turnaround after a year of record-low television numbers.

Outcry over players protesting by taking a knee during the national anthem isn’t helping, but it’s only one of several reasons fans are turning away from professional football, media analysts say.

Injuries to marquee players such as Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, teams with losing records in the nation’s largest media markets such as New York and Chicago, a glut of prime-time games, and viewers with other options have also taken a toll.

“I’d be stunned if any single factor contributed more than 2 percent to the ratings decline,” said Andrew Billings, director of the University of Alabama’s Sports Communication program.

So how bad were the numbers overall? In week 15, average television viewership was down 9 percent from the same point in 2016. Week 14 was similarly off. That translates into an average loss of 1.6 million viewers for each televised game overall. And it’s been an ongoing problem rather than a case of a single week here or there when the nation was otherwise distracted.

Some of the drivers of this were, to be fair, beyond the control of the league. Two of their biggest markets are New York and Dallas, and if you’ve been following the fortunes of the Giants, the Jets and the Cowboys you can see how people might be less excited to tune in. Ratings for the Cowboys and Giants games are down by 7% while viewership for New York Jets games is off by, er… 37%. Doesn’t that seem a bit unfair? True, my Jets are stinking up the joint at 5-10 going into the final week, but the Giants have only won two games! C’mon, man.

The league couldn’t predict or correct for the implosion of those popular teams in large media markets, but other factors were definitely under their control. The obvious target of criticism is the anthem protests which the league could have shut down as soon as Kaepernick started all of this. They didn’t do that and they’ve paid the price. If a combination of new rules from the top and a tougher line from the owners can eliminate that problem over the offseason they may begin to recover next fall.

But the other big driver seems to have been market saturation. The NFL Network has simply gotten too greedy, trying to have football on for half the days of the week. (That’s in addition to locking off certain games so they are only available on their own cable network, which not everyone has or wants.) We’re up to four different game slots on Sundays when there’s a game in London (another colossally bad idea), with prime time games on both Monday and Thursday, in addition to Sunday night. No matter how big of a fan you may be, there’s such a thing as too much football. Fans primarily want to watch their own team, and if they’re not playing they’ll watch one or two other games. But now the market is drowning in games and fewer people are making the time to watch.

On the bright side, all of these things sound fixable… except for the Jets fielding a winning team, apparently. Now that Roger Goodell has somehow landed himself another plush, five-year contract, will he make the needed course corrections and turn this around? Money is what makes the league go ’round, so I’m holding out hope that he will".

From: gflight
26-Dec-17
Trump talked that smack about the kneeling and cutting the massive tax breaks but we are subsidizing stadiums in the new tax bill.....

"Preserving the ability to use tax-exempt bonds for sports stadiums was "a priority for Mr. Trump," according to a GOP aide who spoke to The Wall Street Journal."

Looks like the Boycotts over ;^)

From: slade
26-Dec-17
The Oakland Raiders and Philadelphia Eagles met on the gridiron last night, but turned in the lowest Week 16 ratings for Monday Night Football since 2012.

From: slade
26-Dec-17
-- Raiders-Eagles lowest Week 16 MNF overnight since 2012

-- Cowboys post lowest overnight on FOX "Game of the Week" at least a decade

-- SNF ties 6-year low (huge caveat: Saturday night

From: slade
27-Dec-17
Boycott Update: The NFL Has Lost 2.5 Million Viewers Already

From: slade
27-Dec-17
Washington Examiner reports:

From the end of August to the end of September, the favorable ratings for the NFL have dropped from 57 percent to 44 percent, and it has the highest unfavorable rating – 40 percent – of any big sport, according to the Winston Group survey provided exclusively to Secrets.

The Winston Poll from the Washington-based Winston Group found that the attitude of those fans went from an August rating of 73 percent favorable and 19 percent unfavorable to 42 percent favorable and 47 percent unfavorable, a remarkable turn against the sport.

According to the poll analysis, “more critically for the NFL, the fall off in favorables occurred among important audiences. Among males, NFL favorables fell 23 percent, going from 68 percent to 45 percent. In looking at a more specific audience, males 34-54, NFL favorables fell 31 percent, going from 73 percent to 42 percent. Among this group the NFL has a surprising negative image, as it went from +54 percent in August to -5 percent in September.”

From: Mad dog
27-Dec-17
Nah....don't confuse them with the facts. NFL IS STRONGER THAN EVER! Mad Dog

From: bigeasygator
27-Dec-17

bigeasygator's Link
I thought nobody believed in polls here?

The NFL is struggling. I mean for the week of December 11-17, NFL related programming only made up the top 8 rated shows on cable, the top 3 spots for prime time broadcast television shows.

From: Shuteye
27-Dec-17
They canceled the Sunday night game due to lack of interest. It is reported they have lost $500 million so far.

From: Annony Mouse
28-Dec-17
With the PR problems of this season, the NFL decides to go-grinch.

War on Christmas: NFL Fines Saints RB for Wearing Christmas-Themed Cleats

Having already thoroughly alienated veterans, the military, the flag, the police, the legal system, and the president of the United States; the NFL is quickly running out of sacred institutions to throw under the bus.

However, it appears they’re not done. The NFL has now decided to take on Christmas.

Saints running back Alvin Kamara donned a pair of Christmas-themed cleats during the Saints game against the Falcons on Christmas Eve.

continued at link

From: slade
28-Dec-17
2017 Brought ESPN the Lowest Number of ‘Monday Night Football’ Viewers in Recorded History

From: Mad dog
28-Dec-17
"...its JUST your 'magination....oooh." (smokey). The guys still STEADFASTEDLY drinking The NFL Kool-Aid can try to ease their guilt all they want. Do you feel right supporting these Bitter thugs...week after week? Mad Dog

From: Grey Ghost
29-Dec-17

Grey Ghost's Link
I have no problem supporting these "bitter thugs".

Matt

From: gflight
29-Dec-17
NBA is kick'n it...

The National Basketball Association’s annual Christmas games delivered some of their most successful overnight ratings in recent history. The league’s five games Monday, spread across ESPN, ABC and TNT, averaged a 3.35 overnight rating, up about 20 percent from last year’s Christmas games.

From: gflight
29-Dec-17

gflight's Link
"Self Inflicted Degradation of Performance Syndrome (SIDOPS)

Now, during the NFL’s week nine all three teams who had at least one player kneel during the anthem, the Seahawks, the Giants and the 49’ers – all lost and lost well outside of their predictive “Vegas” odds.

Week 10 in the NFL repeated Week 9’s “sweep” in demonstrating the power of Self Inflicted Degradation of Performance Syndrome or SIDOPS in that all “anthem-kneeling” protest teams lost to their non-kneeling opponents. While Week 9 featured a perfect 3 out of 3 results where at least two of the kneeling teams embarrassingly under performed in record fashion — see results in SIDOPS Part III — this week’s results featured only one example yet yielded similarly stark underperformance results."

What week is it now?

From: Thumper
29-Dec-17
Week 17, regular season is over this weekend.

Ratings are still in the tank, I'm guessing their relying on the black panther and BLM groups to keep the ratings from total collapse.

From: gflight
29-Dec-17

gflight's Link
"Biggest Unforced Error Award: Kneeling during the national anthem to make a political point. This became a popular thing among many NFL players, but did nothing for their cause and mostly just annoyed fans."

"That’s A Switch Award: Democrats embrace states’ rights. Across the nation, they fought to make sure their states wouldn’t have to help federal immigration officials enforce the law."

From: slade
29-Dec-17
NBC will not look back on 2017 with a sense of fondness, instead, they’ll remember it as the year in which they hit their lowest NFL ratings mark in a decade. According to SportsBusiness Journal’s Austin Karp, Sunday Night Football averaged 18.2 million viewers, the lowest number of fans since 2008.

From: Woods Walker
29-Dec-17
Maybe they'll start running old episodes of Home Improvement to increase their ratings. The sad part is that it'd probably work!

From: BIG BEAR
29-Dec-17
I'm boycotting the Lions game on Sunday..... because they lost to the pathetic Bengals and are now out of the playoffs.....

From: Mad dog
30-Dec-17
Not surprised G[R]AY GHOST. mad dog

From: slade
06-Jan-18
No Kneelers Made the Playoffs... hehehehehe

From: BIG BEAR
07-Jan-18
There sure aren't any empty seats in Jacksonville right now.....

From: Pig Doc
07-Jan-18
"NBC will not look back on 2017 with a sense of fondness, instead, they’ll remember it as the year in which they hit their lowest NFL ratings mark in a decade. According to SportsBusiness Journal’s Austin Karp, Sunday Night Football averaged 18.2 million viewers, the lowest number of fans since 2008." I guess you left that out as it does not fit your flawed narrative.

Sunday night football was still the number one Sunday night program - by far - according to Nielson ratings.

All of the playoff games are sold out to capacity and secondary ticket market is booming. Sorry haters but the NFL is doing fine without you.

From: Grey Ghost
07-Jan-18
That Chiefs vs Titans game yesterday was sure entertaining for me. Not so much for my Kansas buddies. (snicker).

;-)

Matt

From: Jimbo
07-Jan-18
Pretty good Bills v. Jaguars game, too. Looking forward to the Titans coming up to Foxboro.

From: bigeasygator
07-Jan-18
Who Dat!! Ain’t an empty seat in the Dome, that’s for sure!

From: Pig Doc
07-Jan-18
Enjoy it BEG. If the Saints win they are coming to the frozen north. It will be payback for 2009!

From: Mad dog
08-Jan-18
Daniel Roberts Of Yahoo finance cited a poll that 33% Purposely stopped watching NFL. Can some put it up. Can't do from my phone. Mad Dog

From: Pig Doc
08-Jan-18
Save your energy. We know how accurate polls are right MD? Almost as meaningful as all of slade's fake pictures of empty stadiums. Must be killing you haters that the NFL is raking in the dough with all the sold out playoff games. Super Bowl ad prices are record high. Get ready for your boycotts - Anheuser Busch InBev, Coke, Doritos, Hyundai, Avocados from Mexico, Groupon, Kia, M&M Mars, Kellogg and WeatherTec.

From: BIG BEAR
08-Jan-18
Since my Lions sucked the big egg again this year I feel it is my duty as a midwesterner to route for the Vikings......

If they made it to the Super Bowl in their own stadium,,, The ratings will be off the chart ......

From: tonyo6302
08-Jan-18
The Vichy French live after all.

From: slade
08-Jan-18

slade's Link
Keep bloviating pigs-breath

All Four NFL Playoff Games See Double-Digit Ratings Decrease

From: JTV
08-Jan-18
the NFL ?? ... pffft !! .... who the hell cares about these anti american pukes who kneel or support them when they do ... may they all rot ..

From: slade
09-Jan-18
Ratings Down for All Four NFL Playoff Games, Chiefs-Titans Least Watched in 5 Years

From: Jimbo
09-Jan-18
Love watching the NFL... a couple of good games this past weekend... should be some good ones this coming weekend. Go Patriots!

From: Pig Doc
09-Jan-18
Vikings/Saints should be a good one. Rematch from the 2009 NFC Championship game when the Saints put a bounty on Brett Favre. I will be ice fishing so won't be at the game but US Bank stadium will be full to the rafters and rocking!

Some of us will be enjoying the games while dopes like slade will be wasting time on the internet looking for bogus photos of empty stadiums.

From: Mad dog
09-Jan-18
A woman on Rush's show just made a point that if it weren't for fantasy football (Which I think is pretty gay!), The NFL would be hurting even worse. Rush did not disagree. PAT TILLMAN, Ditka, Butkus, Lambert, Mike Curtis, Reggie White, Nitschke, Singletary would have smacked the shit outta The kneelers! F the "NEW" NFL. Long live the old NFL! Mad Dog

From: Mad dog
09-Jan-18
Got more energy than you Pig Doc. You and Jimbo and you guys who put football ahead of Country enjoy yourselves. Enjoy your Vichy French Champagne too! America first, sports last. Mad Dog

From: Mad dog
09-Jan-18
Pig Doc. You remind me of the German citizens who lived right outside the gates of the concentration camps, but feigned ignorance. To his credit, Ike ordered them in to all in the camps to bury bodies, clean up and stick their noses in it. Like them, you're playing along and drinking the kool-aid. Where's General De Gaulle When u need him? You're not alone, I know guys, including some family that STILL watch. You ALL make me sick. Enjoy the "super"bowl. Mad Dog

From: Bentstick81
09-Jan-18
You are right Mad dog. These wusses, in the joke nfl, wouldn't make it through one sunday, with the likes of Butkus, Lambert, White, Singletary, etc... Today's clowns are over - rated movie stars. I would rather watch paint dry. Let them sink. The sooner the better.

From: Grey Ghost
09-Jan-18

Grey Ghost's Link
Despite the haters, 20 of the 30 highest rated shows on television last year were NFL football games. Sunday Night Football rated 1st for prime time television for the 7th consecutive year, with an average of 18.2 million veiwers. Thursday Night Football was 2nd best for prime time.

Yes, the overall numbers for 2017 were down 9.7% according Nielsen, but they still don't suck. An average of 14.9 million people watched each game.

Sorry haters.

Matt

From: Mad dog
09-Jan-18
PAT TILLMAN Would kick all their asses too. I saw an interview with I think it was Chuck Bednarik, he was laughing because some jerk off sportscaster like Bob Costas-type (loser who never even played pop warner) asked him if he thought his team's could "survive" in todays, NFL ?(keep in mind this was like 20 yrs ago. My how it's gotten even worse) He said, "WHAT???? we all played both ways, in ALL kind of weather, had off season jobs, didnt have weight lifting programs and personal nutritionists NOR STEROIDS!!!!! THEY COULDNT MAKE IT ON OUR TEAMS!!@#$# Mad Dog

From: Mad dog
09-Jan-18
Sorry Gay boy ghost. You're still a feminine Tom Hanks kinda guy to me. Don't hate you. I pity you. Mad Dog

From: Bentstick81
09-Jan-18
"Sorry Haters". You can pick out a democrat, a mile off.

From: Jimbo
09-Jan-18
Pig Doc, it won't surprise me to see the Vikings go to the Super Bowl. They've been great all season... and have a stellar defense. This weekend will be a good test against a prolific offense. I'm looking forward to watching that game.

From: Mad dog
09-Jan-18
You're a whore, Jimbo. Listen, if I send you a Pat Tillman Photo and Bob Kalsu, Rocky BLEIR will you put them on top of the TV set so can look in to their eyes while you sell your American Soul? Mad Dog

From: BIG BEAR
09-Jan-18
Alejandro Villanueva....... Army Captain. Ranger. 3 tours in Afghanistan...... Bronze Star......

Pittsburgh Steeler. I guess he's selling his American soul.

From: Grey Ghost
09-Jan-18
Jimbo,

I'm with you. I think Vikings vs NE would make a great Super Bowl. And I'd be rooting for the Vikes. Brady and Belichick have had their day.

Didn't Tillman, Kalsu, and Bleier all make a good living playing in the NFL before they decided to enlist? They must be thugs....

Matt

From: Jimbo
09-Jan-18
Guys, guys guys... don't sweat those who proclaim their patriotism as being superior to yours because they hate kneelers. Everyone gets to be who they are... kneelers... kneeler-haters... normal people.

I'm sorry the kneelers have impacted some people's patriotism to the point where they feel the need to wear it on their sleeves. Now, go back to your boycott and carry on.

Go Patriots! (Love the NFL)

From: Mad dog
10-Jan-18
Go on you tube and watch, "HITTING IN THE OLD NFL VS THE NEW NFL" by Liam Mitchell. Ray Lewis is dead on. Another reason the NFL has been ruined by politically correct assholes Who MAYBE played some F(L)AG football or touch. The game is not the same. Why watch BULLSHIT! Mad Dog

From: Mad dog
10-Jan-18
You mean the same Villanueva that was the ONLY one to go out whilst Big Ben and the rest hung in the Tunnel? You can look what I had to say about Villanueva right after that game. Big Ben said he couldn't sleep that night knowing he did the WRONG thing. That's Villanuevas job and he don't have to Splain to no one. He earned that right. But the rest of the players, coaches, owners and those who have rolled over and you guys that can't help yourselves, that's whom I'm directing the vitriol at. Mad Dog

From: BIG BEAR
10-Jan-18
Jim McMahon and 4,000 former NFL players sued the NFL because the NFL knew the dangers of concussions and didn't do anything about it. They settled for $745 million dollars. The concussion suit changed the way the game is played.....

From: BIG BEAR
10-Jan-18
Villanueva stands for the anthem. He doesn't boycott the NFL. I stand for the anthem....

From: Pig Doc
10-Jan-18
"Pig Doc. You remind me of the German citizens who lived right outside the gates of the concentration camps, but feigned ignorance."

Get a grip MD. It's a sport, entertainment, not life and death. For every kneeler in the NFL there are 20 players that are good guys doing good works for foundations and charities, helping children and the less fortunate. You are blinded by hate. Childish hate at that.

Would be interested to know if any of you haters do anything positive about these issues you claim to be so passionate about. I know slade doesn't because he apparently spends 18 hours a day at the key board cutting and pasting BS and name calling. Personally, I donate substantial time and dollars to the Wounded Warrior Project and other veteran's charities. Seems more impactful than whining and complaining.

From: Mad dog
11-Jan-18
Listen bitch Doc. If you actually knew anything and got your head out of your ass, you would know WW was a GREAT cause rly on that got hijacked by two non-vet PR Whores that severely hurt their mission with outlandish spending on parties and first class plane trips. They were only recently ousted last year WW is the "Cool" Charity that Hollywood and sheeple like you donate to for your guilt assauging. You didn't impress me with that. Gary Sinise Foundation, Pat Tillman Foundation, and Homes for Heroes do a whole lot more and the bulk of the money actually GOES to WOUNDED vets! Do some research instead of the feel good, safe I-wanna-sound-cool "charities" Big Bear, you're preaching to the choir. I think Villanueva is a great guy in a tough position. I said, I DON'T BLAME HIM. He served big-time and this is his job now. He was only one to steep up and then got pressured by that asshole Mike Tomlin And losers on his team. He was the only standup American that day. I love him for that. I believe you stand, I know you served, and know there are patriotic Guys in NFL, but I don't think they have stepped up like they should have. I have family members that STILL watch like you, and I think it's wrong. As far as concussions: we all knew what we were signing up for, No? Our parents and we KNEW football was violent and dangerous THAT'S WHY WE PLAYED! soccer, baseball, basketball, bowling, swimming, badminton, volleyball are all swell and fun and I have played all, but SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL is what we chose! Theyve ruined the game. Sorry, that closeted homosexual Fresh Prince will Smith's academy award winning performance doesn't mean shit. Not the biggest fan of Ray Lewis' off field antics, but the man was one of the best ever and captures the true, old school warrior ethos of the gridiron. The pacifist, PC Hollywood left has infected All formerly great institutions, including the NFL. I do a lot of informal surveying and this is what I've found to be true:

The people that buy in to the dumbing-down and effiminization of the NFL,

-Are armchair stat experts They can tell you not only who won 1982 NFC Championship, but what score was in each quarter - try to tell you, today's Players are SOOO far superior to the "old NFL" Very, very few actually played EVEN POP WARNER! - "yeah I played in the street, after school, flag football!

They have weaseled there way in to these armchair GEEK-PSUEDO-FOOTBALL experts They never did nut crackers, Oklahoma drills, double sessions in August heat where your blinded by the salty sweat in your eyes. They don't know what the bull in the ring means. They never got F'd up on a kickoff. THEY NEVER GOT THEIR BELL RUNG! Never been under a slow to get up pile of a dozen men and there gonna tell US what the game should be about???? NO F'in way! Mad Dog

From: bigeasygator
11-Jan-18
Should be a good game, Pig Doc! Who Dat!! Geaux Saints!!

From: Mad dog
11-Jan-18
Drew Brees is a cry baby when he gets hit too hard. Wah wah. Mad Dog

From: Pig Doc
11-Jan-18
I love watching MD blow a gasket. Definition of apoplectic.

Skol Vikings!

From: bigeasygator
11-Jan-18
For someone who doesn’t care about the NFL...he seems to really care about the NFL!

From: slade
11-Jan-18
Thanks for the free rent Pig, love the irony of you calling Mad Dog and others haters and then calling them and me out for doing the same. You might want to have your shoulder looked at, all the back slapping and grand standing you do daily has to be causing some where and tear.

From: Mad dog
11-Jan-18
You guys are jerk off whore mongers..and I'm enjoying Exposing you. Having a ball, gaskets are tight bitches Mad Dog

From: BIG BEAR
13-Jan-18
Well the Eagles squeaked out a win....... Atlanta had a chance to win it.......

There goes Minnesota's chance at home field all the way through the playoffs...... if they beat New Orleans then they'll have to go to Philadelphia......

From: Mad dog
13-Jan-18
Sell outs

From: Jimbo
13-Jan-18
Patriots are handling the Titans. Looks like a big crowd on hand, too. :o)

From: bigeasygator
13-Jan-18
That’s a big “if” BB!! Who Dat!!

From: Thumper
14-Jan-18

Thumper's Link
NFL ratings still in the tank for the playoffs.

"Life is getting harder for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

After a nightmare season that saw TV viewership fall a record 9.7 percent, an even larger wave of fans passed on watching the first round of the NFL playoffs last weekend.

Overnight ratings for the four Wild Card games fell by an average of 13 percent — with one game, the Saints-Panthers matchup, off a whopping 21 percent, according to Nielsen...."

From: Mad dog
14-Jan-18
Hey guys. What anti-white, anti-American loser entertainer is doing your halftime show at YOUR super bowl this year? Will Beyonce be doing the blackpower salute again? Will CRACK dealer Jayzee be accompanying her this year? Please let us know, will ya? Mad Dog

From: Owl
14-Jan-18
Looks like the NFL is reduced to a runner's up contest to the Pats, anyway. That could be more detrimental than the kneelers. BTW, is anyone still kneeling?

From: gflight
14-Jan-18
“The college football playoff ratings surged despite airing only on cable and featuring only Southern teams while the NFL tanked despite games being available for free on ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox,” Outkick’s Clay Travis wrote. “The NFL’s 13% collapse in ratings follows a 2017 football season that saw NFL ratings decline 9.7% and this year’s fall comes on the heels of another 8% ratings decline from the 2016 football season.”

It was those racist southerners after all it looks like.....

From: Jimbo
14-Jan-18
Owl, I don't think anyone is still kneeling.

From: Panther Bone
14-Jan-18
I've never been a fan of domesticated sports. I do watch UT football on occasion, being from TN.

I can tell you this, if I noticed NFL was on my tv, the channel was immediately changed. Sometimes a tv gets left on or I got to bed and bedroom tv was on per usual, with an NFL game going. I immediately shut it off or turned the channel.

I'll never allow it on my televisions again. Our men and women have died for our country. The flag represents that hope and determination (see the old glory history).

From: Michael
14-Jan-18
There is no denying the Vikings from playing a super bowl in there own stadium!

Vikings all the way!

Pig doc, I have such confidence in the Vikings I scheduled my Lake of the Woods trip for the weekend of the pro bowl. :)

Big Bear, I think the weekend after the Vikings winning the super bowl will be a good weekend to visit Devils Lake. :)

From: BIG BEAR
14-Jan-18
Ha !! I wish I could but I have to save every penny right now for our Alaskan Cruise in May.....

Between quarters of the Steelers game they honored Mark Nutsch..... Special Forces Afghanistan Veteran..... On the field.... I guess he's a sell out...

From: Grey Ghost
14-Jan-18
Skiing in the mornings and watching NFL Playoffs in the afternoon...it's a good life.

Go VIKES!!

Matt

From: BIG BEAR
14-Jan-18

BIG BEAR's embedded Photo
BIG BEAR's embedded Photo
My buddy got these today on Lake St. Clair.. I gotta get my back healed and get out.....

From: BIG BEAR
14-Jan-18
Down go the Steelers......

From: Michael
14-Jan-18
That’s a nice batch of fish Big Bear.

From: BIG BEAR
14-Jan-18
Yeah that guy is a fishaholic... He was a tournament walleye fisherman before he became a cop.... he took me out on the St. Clair River last year and we got a 3 man limit of walleye and I caught my first ever sturgeon...

From: Owl
14-Jan-18
Thanks Jimbo

From: Annony Mouse
14-Jan-18
Haven't watched a NFL game in over 3 years. First stopped watching because of the numbers of commercials and with all those interruptions, the actual game became quite boring.

When the kneeling became the story of the game, I realized that the SJW had found its latest venue and had politicized what was intended as entertainment.

At this point, I could care less who does and does not watch...this is still a free country and those that want to spend 3+ hours to watch a 60 minute program must not have much to do other than sit.

As far as the politicization...what did it really accomplish but reduce its viewing audience--nothing more.

The pathetic results of the NFL kneeling spree

By Monica Showalter

What, exactly, did the NFL "take-a-knee" protests by wealthy black football players protesting racial injustice accomplish?

Based on what most people could see, pretty much nothing, other than lost ticket sales. People go to football games to be entertained, not to be lectured by their supposed betters in another dreary virtue-signaling game.

This is why longtime cultural observer and critic Shelby Steele thinks black protests have lost their power in his must-read op-ed in today's Wall Street Journal.

The recent protests by black players in the National Football League were rather sad for their fruitlessness. They may point to the end of an era for black America, and for the country generally – an era in which protest has been the primary means of black advancement in American life.

The reason, he concludes, is that it's hard to protest The Man's power when you yourself are now the man. As Steele puts it, freedom has arrived, and with freedom, accountability. Black protesters must now be judged on the actual merit of their protests, instead of just the identity reality the protesters' black race, which up until now, has pretty much sent whites scurrying. They aren't scurrying anymore in deference to the protests; they just aren't buying tickets.

This demonstrates how hollow these protests from pampered, millionaire athletes, honored on the field for their talents – with no affirmative action to ensure white representation, which is how it would go if affirmative action were enforced in football – really fail to resonate among the captive audiences of live football games. In the past, Steele notes, protests really did take courage. Black protesters were fired, beaten, fined, jailed, and killed. Today, anyone who goes out there as a black protester enjoys the pleasures of virtue-signaling and laps up the attention from the cultural elites.

Black protests in the past also brought change, Steele notes. They were black Americans' means of achieving the American Dream, just as immigration was the way other Americans achieved it. He writes:

It is not surprising, then, that these black football players would don the mantle of protest. The surprise was that it didn't work. They had misread the historic moment. They were not speaking truth to power. Rather, they were figures of pathos, mindlessly loyal to a black identity that had run its course.

What they missed is a simple truth that is both obvious and unutterable: [t]he oppression of black people is over with. This is politically incorrect news, but it is true nonetheless. We blacks are, today, a free people. It is as if freedom sneaked up and caught us by surprise.

Freedom means accountability, which is where black protests of today fail to produce any results. Steele cites the horrific murder rate of Chicago, which is largely black-on-black crime. He writes:

For any formerly oppressed group, there will be an expectation that the past will somehow be an excuse for difficulties in the present. This is the expectation behind the NFL protests and the many protests of groups like Black Lives Matter. The near-hysteria around the deaths of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Freddie Gray[,] and others is also a hunger for the excuse of racial victimization, a determination to keep it alive. To a degree, black America's self-esteem is invested in the illusion that we live under a cloud of continuing injustice.

Steele points out that when people feel lost and don't know where to go, they retreat back into the tried and true, which is what these ineffective protests are about.

What he might have added is that the protests show that the black community of today is profoundly lacking in leadership. That might be attributed to black leaders buying into the entire Democratic Party package in large numbers, leaving the black community with failed, corrupt one-party cities such as Detroit; lousy schools due to teachers unions' grip on power; abortion targeting and hitting black communities hardest, weakening the family structure; and the absence of a significant black business community due to the massive regulations imposed from Democratic rule. There are bright lights, such as the Rev. Alveda King, the niece of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., who will be honored this weekend. She has identified these problems in the community for years and has absolutely refused to go along with the Democratic leadership package.

If I had to guess, the time is coming that she may well be rising in prominence in a black community, which, as the football protests show, desperately needs such leadership.

From: Grey Ghost
14-Jan-18
I just witnessed one of the best football games I've ever watched.

It was the perfect pass time for a relaxing early evening after a morning on the ski slopes.

Sorry the self-righteous boycotters missed it. Hope their day was equally entertaining.

Matt

From: Mad dog
14-Jan-18
Great article. Anthony-mouse. Hey Big Bear. I like most of your posts and will always back you as a cop & veteran, BUT....DO you do find it OK that the NFL CHARGES the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines for their appearances????? Do not our brothers and sisters deserve better treatment from Goodell & Company? Please 'SPLAIN lucy. MaD Dog

From: slade
15-Jan-18
So sorry for the Closet Democrat and the other Patriotic hate supporters.

The NFL had high hopes that their all-important postseason games, would reverse the terrible ratings trend which has plagued the league all year long. Those hopes were dashed after the Wild Card round, saw a 13 percent decrease in ratings from the previous year. Which, put an added sense of importance on the Divisional playoff games this past weekend.

Well, the ratings have been tabulated from this past weekend and, unfortunately for the NFL, the numbers do not look good.

According to SportsBusiness Daily, the ratings for all four games fell to the lowest level in nearly a decade.

According to Pro Football Talk, “The good news, if there is any, comes from the fact that the 21.8 rating generated by the Saints-Vikings in the late afternoon/early evening slot was only 0.1 lower than the 21.9 for Steelers-Chiefs last January, even though that game was played in prime time. The bad news is that the apples-to-apples comparison — the late-afternoon Sunday game between the Packers and Cowboys — churned a 28.2.

“The Jaguars-Steelers game played at 1:05 p.m. ET posted a 20.4, the lowest overnight rating in that window in 15 years.

“For the Saturday games, the 17.4 rating coming from Falcons-Eagles was down from last year’s 18.3 from the Seahawks-Falcons contest; that’s the lowest since Ravens-Titans in that same spot drew a 17.0 in early 2009. The 16.6 overnight for the Titans-Patriots game on Saturday night was the lowest since Cardinals-Panthers in early 2009.”

The shame of all this, obviously, is that with the exception of the Patriots-Titans game all of the Divisional round games were excellent. The Falcons-Eagles game may have been low scoring, however it was a hard fought game that went down to the wire.

By all rights, given the quality of games this weekend the ratings should have been great. But of course, the NFL protested their loyal audience away long ago.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Jan-18
I sure hope there weren't any Vikings fans that didn't watch that game because they were boycotting the NFL.....

From: Mad dog
17-Jan-18
So????? Whose the DISGUSTING, anti-American halftime show this year? I remember when the best Pop Warner football kids in America used to showcase their talents, do you guys? PUNT, PASS, & KICK! This is where shit went south. Mad Dog

From: BIG BEAR
18-Jan-18
The halftime show is Tennessee native Justin Timberlake.... 10 time Grammy Award winner, 4 time Emmy Award winner... husband and father of one....

How un-American........

I'm pretty sure they never had punt pass and kick as the half time show at the Super Bowl.....

From: Glunt@work
18-Jan-18
Timberlake is probably a big ratings boost. Some will tune in to see if he causes another "wardrobe malfunction".

From: Jimbo
18-Jan-18
This whole issue of boycotting because of kneelers is about as silly as the actions of the kneelers, themselves. But, both groups (boycotters & kneelers) have every right to do what they're doing.

I love watching NFL games. Go Patriots!

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jan-18

Annony Mouse's Link
Via IOTWReport:

Wheelchair- Bound Bob Dole Stands For The Presentation Of The Colors At The White House

GWP: 94 year-old war hero and former Senator Bob Dole was honored today at the White House. Dole was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal for his World War II service and decades of work in the House and Senate.

The former senator, who today is confined to a wheelchair, stood for the National Anthem putting the NFL and Democrat Party to shame.

From: Mad dog
20-Jan-18
I remember watching it in the 1970s and we even had a family friend who made it all the way. He later played at Purdue. Justin Timberlake? You mean the Classy guy who ripped Janet Jacksons blouse open on live tv? Ehh. I still skip it Mad Dog

From: bigswivle
20-Jan-18
Read the story about the Jets WR that just got arrested in Florida. Fine young man, great role model

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