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I got written up at work
I got dragged into HR office last week for the first time in my 29 year working career because I went off on a lazy, lying, redundant piece of shit coworker. That I've tolerated for twenty years at this business. I've always prided myself in my work ethics, and attitude etc.. But I had a enough, and yes my manager got an ear full along with my supervisor. Everyone knew about this guy but nothing was ever done stringently to fix his b/s existence. You know what though? I feel better because he and another sub-par employee are actually working NOW.. Why the FK did I have to go to this extreme to get results?!! We/I have reviews and open door policy, other employee's and I have discussed these turd's and nothing was ever done. Besides that why the hell do I have to deal with this when the powers that be, know and hear about it all the time! I don't give a shit now, I've got ten years left there then I'm retiring gonna be just a clock puncher... I'm not a forgiving person with ass-clowns like this either... Sorry just venting I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...I need a beer..
Always stand up and speak out for that in which you believe.
Been there, done that. AND have lost a couple jobs for doing the same thing. Have a beer you'll feel better.
Next time catch the dude in private. Then it's your word against his. Be patient stay under the radar for a few months and more than likely HR will take the warning out of your file. You'll be fine, you said your piece and everyone knows where you stand. The dude is not worth giving up 29 yrs of service.
Also "been there done that". Screw 'em......I retired early!
Funny I had a situation at work today with one of the union brethren. Though I did not get written up as my mgr knows this person and he knows me.
Union guy complaining safety this safety that. Calling OSHA blah blah blah. I told him politely and professionally that inconvenience is not a safety issue. He refused to do the work. I told him that was the work I had for him today and if he didn't want to do it he can punch out and go home as there was nothing else I had for him to do, or, the alternative was we have an uncomfortable conversation with HR discussing his insubordination.
Though I get your frustration with lazy asses you need take the advice that a mentor I had once told me. When dealing with those folks, remember they are playing checkers while you play chess. Give them the little victories, As mgmt you only need to win once.
In this case he was checkmated.
This is why I work for myself. It's stressful, uncertain and all consuming, but when it goes right there's NOTHING else like it. It's called FREEDOM.
Good for you. Years back we had an employer change. Contract was awarded to different contractor but employees in the entire state remained in place. One mouthy guy at another shop kept shooting his mouth off that he was going to be the field supervisor. I had done that job in a different area for a number of years and didn't want to go back to management. I went down to interview for that job just to shut this guy up. I went in and knew everyone there. They were excited that I was interviewing for the position and then I told them I wasn't interested. I said I came in to warn you not to put him in any management position. I also told them that if I was supervisor I would eventually fire him and another guy at a different shop. They laughed and then we talked fishing.
At times I had about 200 people reporting to me. Every time I thought I had seen it all someone else would do something else. I terminated a black guy and had to go to court. The company got me a high price lawyer from New York City. I went to court and the judge heard the guy's complaint. Then he asked if anyone else wanted to testify. Some black guys in the back stood up and said they would like to comment. They said they had worked for me for years and I was not racist and treated everyone fairly. The judge said, "Case dismissed." That was the first case the company ever won when a black was involved and I didn't need the lawyer. Those guys, when in the plant, often referred to the N word and we would all laugh.
Hang in there man.... I've had my ass chewed out a few times...... it sucks to bite your lip but it's for your family..... you take care of yourself and your family...... Tuck your tail and do your time.... I won't let a few ass chewings deter me from finishing my 3 years and getting the pension I worked so hard for. I'll never see those guys that chewed my ass again after 3 years. Nvagvup..... That's my problem.... I speak my mind too much..... Things I do don't get me in trouble.... usually it's my mouth...... Sometimes I should just shut up......... ha !!!!
If management knows about [the guy] it and does nothing, then the wrong management is in place. Too many managers are there because they were in the right place at the right time...
I had ex-employees in California who were terminated for just cause with multiple documentations, oral and written etc.. I won the unemployment hearing, they went on to file wrongful termination with the state, they never showed up for hearings that were rescheduled multiple times and the hearing officers had the gall to try and question me and claim if we were in the right the employee would not have filed a claim.
I agree with WW. This kinda crap is why I've owned my own businesses for almost my entire career. My smart mouth is only suited for being the boss.
You bet....EXCEPT for when we talk to our wives!
I guess I am conditioned by 20 years of USMC service.
I would/will always disagree with my Superiors, "in private" - never in front of others, for two occasions on the matter. If I could not persuade them to come around to my way of thinking, then I just took my marching orders and followed them.
Rules of the Boss;
1. The Boss is always the Boss.
2. In case the Boss is wrong, refer to rule #1.
It's actually kinda funny to me to hear a grown man say, "I got written up at work". I immediately wonder if they pinned a note to his shirt and sent him home.
Sorry, Arrownocker, but your situation is so far removed from what I'm used to, I have a hard time relating. I lasted exactly 2 years in the only "corporate" job I ever had, and I couldn't wait to leave. The PC crap, a$$-kissing, and disingenuous behavior was more than I could take.
"God give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, .. ..
courage to change the thing which should be changed
and the wisdom to distinguish one from the other.
Living one day at a time, enjoying one moment at a time,
accepting hardship as a pathway to peace, taking, as Jesus did, this sinful world as it is,
not as I would have it, trusting that You will make things right, if I surrender to Your will,
so that I may be reasonably happy in this life, and supremely happy with You forever in the next.
- Reinhold Niebuhr
."" My smart mouth is only suited for being the boss. ""
So you're saying you like to abuse your employee's just for fun? I've seen over the years that type attitude didn't work to well for a couple of Bosses I've worked with in the past.
Arrownocker, I believe the law says that you are allowed to cover anything in your file with your own statement and that you can get a copy of your file by a simple request. I would wait a while and let everything cool off, especially yourself!, and ask for a copy of your file. You will know what to do then.
"So you're saying you like to abuse your employee's just for fun?
Interesting interpretation, Sleepy. Who said anything about abusing employees for fun?
I've always spoke my mind, if I felt it needed to be spoken, regardless of the ramifications. And I've encouraged my employees to do the same. Arrownocker's story epitomizes exactly the type situation I try to avoid. Why would I want a disgruntled clock-puncher who is just riding out his time to retirement? I prefer productive employees who enjoy their jobs, and get along with their coworkers.
""Who said anything about abusing employees for fun?""
You did. Anybody who makes fun of another person's frustration from his job and thinks he gets a written warning pinned to his shirt and sent home is a poor excuse for a Boss.
""I've always spoke my mind, if I felt it needed to be spoken, regardless of the ramifications""
I doubt it, you haven't convinced me you're that aggressive. Just a smart ass from a distance. Go hide under the bed Nancy.
Comprehension isn't your strong suit. I was making fun of the whole concept of "getting written up" and a "employee file". If anything, I'm mocking Arrownocker's employer, not him.
Look, I Just don't have any sympathy for someone who hates his job. He was free to take the job, and he's free to leave it. There's no honor in being a disgruntled "clock puncher". And complaining about your job to faceless strangers on a public forum seems senseless to me. If I knew Arrownocker personally, I'd tell him to run from his job, not walk. Life is too short.
I interviewed many people during my time in the chemical industry. I would probably be sued now. I would set up interviews to have several arrive and I had some of my hourly workers, foremen and supervisors interview them as well. I would then take my crew out to a great restaurant and we would discuss who I should hire. The group all knew that if an applicant didn't shake hands right I wouldn't hire them. I even held women to that same requirement. The troops all got a big laugh out of that. One time we were just finishing dinner and we were evacuated. The fire department was coming in the front door and we were going out the back door. I drove in the next day and paid the bill. They were happy and cut some off the bill due to the disturbance.
""Comprehension isn't your strong suit.""
Wrong. I read you just fine GG.
"" And complaining about your job to faceless strangers on a public forum seems senseless to me.""
Then why did you comment negatively then? Check reading your own reading comprehension. You have no self discipline you couldn't resist being critical because you enjoyed it.
"Then why did you comment negatively then?"
Because, I often speak negatively about senseless behavior. You, on the other hand, seem to only enjoy speaking negatively about those who do. Interesting that.
I enjoy pointing out poor behavior, which is why you and I are having this conversation. Not that much fun being on the receiving end is it?
"Not that much fun being on the receiving end is it?"
Actually, I've enjoyed our exchange, Sleepy. Sorry you don't feel the same way.
"1. The Boss is always the Boss."
And unless they own the business, they can be written up and/or dismissed too, especially in the corporate world.
In reality, businesses are lucky to have good or loyal employees, not the other way around.
I have found that it's not what you say....it's how you say it. saying things when you are angry is always a problem when delivering an unpleasant truth. You need to use my 24 hour rule and tell the useless people about their uselessness tomorrow when you are not pissed about it.
Hey Matt, have you ever noticed that sleepy seems to have issues comprehending what a whole host of people post...and it's always their
Can you say "common denominator."
I'm not going to pile on Sleepy. After all, he needs his rest, apparently. ;-)
It does fascinate me how anyone who expresses a different opinion than the status quo, here, often gets labeled as a lefty, closet democrat, nancy, commie, socialist, Obama-lover, America hater, just to list a few. I rarely encounter such closed-mindedness anywhere but here. Maybe that's the reason for the twisted curiosity that keeps me coming back.
As always, I appreciate your civil and sane contribution to these discussions, Kevin.
"It does fascinate me how anyone who expresses a different opinion than the status quo, here, often gets labeled as a lefty, closet democrat, nancy, commie, socialist, Obama-lover, America hater, just to list a few."
Don't forget "Maxine."
I was just wondering if I was the only one that noticed certain patterns and tendencies.
Name calling is easier than thinking so its a go to strategy for the challenged ones.
"I was just wondering if I was the only one that noticed certain patterns and tendencies."
Oh no, you're not the only one. There are several of us. Some of us are just more vocal about it.
Speaking of patterns and tendencies, the one I always cringe at is using the Obama/Clinton yardstick when someone expresses a negative opinion about Trump or his administration. To me, that's like comparing a tenderloin to a pile of dog sh*t. So, the worst tenderloin you've ever eaten is still better than dog sh*t, eh? What is that really saying, that you're fine with a horrible tenderloin?
Oh, then there's the constant racial overtones that dominate so many threads. I've never seen a group that was so conscious of race, or choose to make race the main focus of conversation, often regardless of the topic. I'll often go weeks, even months, without race being a subject of conversation in the circles I hang with. When is does come up, it's usually poking fun at people who are constantly preoccupied with it, like some are here.
Anyway, I suppose we've derailed this thread enough. And I've got to get my RV ready for next weeks trip. Have a great weekend, my friend.
"Anyway, I suppose we've derailed this thread enough."
You're probably right.
Just remember though, sometimes the only difference between the worst tenderloin you ever had and the best tenderloin you ever had is knowing how to cut against the grain.
Have a great trip.
You know, for a couple fo really smart, educated, sophisticated guys you two are very petty and pretty silly.
We see patterns also, as usual, you dont come on here to offer advice or solace or anything constructive to the OP. You just attack him, and then sleepy, and then sling mud and innuendos all over most people here.
Then, when nobody joins in because they have too much class, you decide you have done enough damage, lift your legs one more time, sniff each others butts, and wag your tails away, totally content with how you have both shined like stars here!
That is the MO for both of you oh-so-God-like-smarty-pansies.
Have a nice day!
I worked in Procurement for 14 years. Of the 14 years I lead all buyers with total orders placed and dollars spent. At one time we had close to 100 people in our department. I had a Lead that would assign many more contracts to me than the other buyers. When it came to pay raise time I would get the same percentage of increase that the guys going home on time would get. I brought this up with the Lead and his comment was, you keep your work up to date and they don't so I have to pile more onto you. I took him to the Manager and told him the situation. I told him that I didn't mind doing more work but that I required higher increases than the others who were not contributing as much as I was. So, instead of getting the standard 7 percent, I started to get 11 percent increases. Of course, the others got less than their 7 percent and were all upset. It wasn't very long after that I became the Lead and I made sure that the ones who were busting their butts got higher increases than the loafers. Seems so long ago, 18 years, since I retired.
""Actually, I've enjoyed our exchange, Sleepy. Sorry you don't feel the same way.""
LOL, I'm not buying that. You're not very good at lying GG. Your booty buddy Maxine will help you with that. For a couple of guys who try extremely hard to show us how smart they are, you two really get your feelings hurt when you called out for being morons and wrong. I suggest you guys should get used to it. I don't see any let up in the disrespect aimed your way. It's fun and you two clowns make it so easy.
Complaining about your job to faceless strangers on the internet makes perfect sense to me.... It's called venting....
"I was just wondering if I was the only one that noticed certain patterns and tendencies."
Nope, not the only one. There aren't many, though!
"LOL, I'm not buying that. You're not very good at lying GG. Your booty buddy Maxine will help you with that. For a couple of guys who try extremely hard to show us how smart they are, you two really get your feelings hurt when you called out for being morons and wrong. I suggest you guys should get used to it. I don't see any let up in the disrespect aimed your way. It's fun and you two clowns make it so easy."
"Name calling is easier than thinking so its a go to strategy for the challenged ones."
Gee, Sleepy, you're slipping. You typed 7 sentences and only managed to call me a liar, homosexual, moron, and clown.
Perhaps you should get some rest.
Gray Ghost; I'm sure it's easy to sit there as a business owner and tell someone who's not happy at work to run away from his job as fast as he can if he's not happy.... But most guys are content with being an employee with a regular paycheck and not rolling the dice to be their own boss. Most small businesses fail. That's a fact. So if you choose to be an employee.....Sometimes you are gonna get chewed out or the short end of the stick... it's bound to happen in 20-30 years of work. Life is too short for sure....... but your employment is a means to take care of your family...... it's not your life...... Though some guys make it their everything.....
Also.... I predict that Arrownocker will vent a little bit..... take a week or so to get over the incident.... have a few beers after work and then go back to doing his job the best he can.....
I understand your point, but you seem to have missed mine. I didn't advocate being a business owner, nor did I discourage being a employee. Without both, no one would make a living.
Life is all about choices, and there are always choices. I think the goal to whatever employment path you choose should be your own happiness, first. Other factors are secondary, IMO. Sure, sometimes you gotta do what's necessary, not what makes you happiest, but you should never lose sight of that goal.
Do you really think Arrownocker will be happy being a "clock puncher" until he retires? I hope he has more self-respect than that. I believe an employee should end his career content with what he's accomplished, grateful for the opportunity, and sorely missed by his employer and coworkers. Not disgruntled and with a grudge.
That's fair. On the other hand.... I think the goal of your career path should focus on providing a good life for your family.... while still doing a respectable honest job at work. Never lose sight of the goal.... To take my wife on an Alaska cruise and pay for one more moose hunt in my lifetime.....
I think we're saying the exact same thing. "Providing a good life your family" is as much about your own happiness as is it about your family's. How can a family be happy without its provider being happy? I'd say that's a dichotomy.
Also, earlier you stated this is the perfect place to vent about your job. So, what happens if one of Arrownocker's coworkers, or bosses, reads this thread? Do you think his pledge to become a "clock puncher" will earn him browny points with his employer, and respect from his coworkers?
Alternatively, If Arrownocker's intent was to give his employer cause for his termination, then this is certainly a way to do it.
I think venting about something that happened at your job to strangers is better than doing it at work.... but you still have to watch what you say.... most especially on the internet.... even more so on sites like Facebook where half your workforce might see it. I've seen a few guys get into trouble over dumb stuff they put on Facebook.... fortunately for me... most of my venting about work is at home talking with my wife..... we work together so we are in sync with each other in regards to what goes on at work..
You got it. Vent *privately* to your wife, family, trusted friends, priest, pets....anywhere but the internet or at work.
. . . . am I the only one who is glad my Wife has girlfriends she can "vent" to ?
I know quite a few people who have been fired for what they posted on facebook.
^^^ because what they posted was or could harm the company.
""Gee, Sleepy, you're slipping. You typed 7 sentences and only managed to call me a liar, homosexual, moron, and clown.""
Lol, got to give you this Nancy, at least you dont blubber up and get all teary eyed like Maxine does. At least not yet anyway.
S->>A, that is one reason why I never did Facebook while working.
Having worked in the military for a long time, I've been to alot of L & M training. Some was USDA HR training. I learned alot in that class that I applied to the rest of my career.
We were always taught to document everything with sub-par workers (and supervisors). If it's not documented, it doesn't exist in the eyes of those who make command decisions. If someone is not doing what they're told, they should be pulled aside and counseled to determine what is wrong and correct the deficiency. When it comes time for evals and reviews, employees should not be surprised in what they get for evals. If they are surprised, then you the supervisor dropped the ball during the last eval period. Likewise, employees would be wise to reach out to supervisors during the eval period for feedback on how to improve.