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Spike Bull 17-Oct-17
Two Feathers 17-Oct-17
JTV 17-Oct-17
K Cummings 17-Oct-17
bad karma 17-Oct-17
Fulldraw1972 17-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 17-Oct-17
trublucolo 17-Oct-17
Glunt@work 17-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 17-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 17-Oct-17
Glunt@work 17-Oct-17
K Cummings 17-Oct-17
Glunt@work 17-Oct-17
slade 17-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 17-Oct-17
Tonybear61 17-Oct-17
slade 17-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 18-Oct-17
Glunt@work 18-Oct-17
Glunt@work 18-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 18-Oct-17
K Cummings 18-Oct-17
Hunting5555 18-Oct-17
sleepyhunter 18-Oct-17
Spike Bull 18-Oct-17
Spike Bull 18-Oct-17
K Cummings 18-Oct-17
Annony Mouse 18-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 18-Oct-17
bad karma 18-Oct-17
Grey Ghost 18-Oct-17
K Cummings 18-Oct-17
Mint 18-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 18-Oct-17
sleepyhunter 18-Oct-17
sleepyhunter 18-Oct-17
K Cummings 18-Oct-17
Sixby 18-Oct-17
Jim Moore 18-Oct-17
sleepyhunter 18-Oct-17
Spike Bull 18-Oct-17
HA/KS 18-Oct-17
Sixby 18-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 18-Oct-17
Fulldraw1972 18-Oct-17
sleepyhunter 18-Oct-17
sleepyhunter 19-Oct-17
Glunt@work 19-Oct-17
slade 19-Oct-17
Annony Mouse 19-Oct-17
Annony Mouse 25-Oct-17
JTV 25-Oct-17
Glunt@work 26-Oct-17
Amoebus 26-Oct-17
slade 02-Nov-17
Spike Bull 02-Nov-17
Hunting5555 02-Nov-17
K Cummings 02-Nov-17
17-Oct-17

Spike Bull 's Link
Many are suspicious of the official reports about Mandalay Bay attack. Some alternate reports are causing concern as apparently some people are dying or going missing.

From: Two Feathers
17-Oct-17
I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

From: JTV
17-Oct-17
Did he know the Clintons ??

From: K Cummings
17-Oct-17

K Cummings's Link
"I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Probably, but as long as you're at the link, you might want to take the test to determine your "Dating Market Value."

Or you can always brush up on "The Sixteen Commandments of Poon."

That is some quality journalism there folks.

KPC

From: bad karma
17-Oct-17
On a related note, stock prices for Reynolds Aluminum increased significantly today. :)

From: Fulldraw1972
17-Oct-17
KPC the sexbot revolution will find its way into some who actually took that test. Haha

From: BIG BEAR
17-Oct-17
A lot of people seem to think there's more to this story....... but I haven't heard anyone speculate on WHY they think some kind of conspiracy is occurring....... This wasn't some political assasination...... In my opinion..... if there is ANYTHING more to this story than just a single shooter.... the only reason for secrecy would be to maintain the integrity of the investigation towards prosecution........

From: trublucolo
17-Oct-17
".... the only reason for secrecy would be to maintain the integrity of the investigation towards prosecution........"

Prosecute who?

From: Glunt@work
17-Oct-17
There are many possible motivations if one wants to go down the conspiracy path:

Gun Control (obvious)

More government control in general

One of the victims was the target, the rest are a cover story (Jack Reacher plot)

Harming MGM stock value

Covering up some sort of FBI/CIA operation gone bad

Covering an Islamic terror related situation

From: BIG BEAR
17-Oct-17
Trublu...... I'm saying that if they are hiding the fact that anyone else was involved it would be to get their ducks in a row to make an arrest and prosecute anyone else involved....... Myself..... I think it was one insane man.

From: BIG BEAR
17-Oct-17
That's some pretty deep stuff Glunt.....The Islamic terrorist one doesn't make any sense at all... If anything pointed to ISIS.... what would be the motivation of any government entity to hide those facts ?? How about gun control ?? So are you saying that some liberal gun grabbers orchestrated this in order to enact tighter gun control laws.... Come on man.....

From: Glunt@work
17-Oct-17
I'm not saying any of that. I said "... if one wants to go down the conspiracy path."

I'm sure in your line of work you have seen people do horrific things to other humans for a lot less motivation than furthering political change in a super power country.

From: K Cummings
17-Oct-17

K Cummings's Link
Don't forget the Illuminati.

KPC

From: Glunt@work
17-Oct-17
As for the ISIS conspiracy, the one floating around is that it was an arms deal sting with Islamic terrorists gone bad. Paddock was part of the sting, ISIS found out, killed him, carried out the attack, staged the room and escaped 3 floors up to the Saudi owned 4 Seasons section of the hotel.

Again, I'm not suggesting that happened, just showing what conspiracy theories are around.

From: slade
17-Oct-17
Jesus Campos is not missing, just lyin low.

From: BIG BEAR
17-Oct-17
There's a lot of crazy people in the world that do horrific things....... And there's also a lot of crazy people in the world that never hurt anyone.... but come out of the woodwork with their crazy theories in times like these... The FBI had to sort through mountains and mountains of tips and theories in the Unibomber case.... and I'm sure there will be many many more theories on the Vegas shooting in the months ahead.....

From: Tonybear61
17-Oct-17
Jesus Campos is not missing, just lyin low.-did he get shot, return fire??? Getting mixed stories on this.

From: slade
17-Oct-17
No, staying out of harms way until the dust settles, the hotel and authorities know where he is at.

For the conspiracy theorists, I have read he is an illegal using someone else's SSN.

From: Gray Ghost
18-Oct-17
Reynolds Aluminum stock prices...LOL!!

I didn't even need to click on the thread to know who posted it.

Matt

From: Glunt@work
18-Oct-17
Theorizing that a hispanic working in a hotel in Las Vegas and trying to keep a low profile may not be legal isn't much of a conspiracy. The hospitality industry hiring illegals isn't anything new.

From: Glunt@work
18-Oct-17
Its being reported that Campos taped an interview with the "Ellen" show that should air today.

From: BIG BEAR
18-Oct-17
Then I'm sure most of you here will see it....... I'm sure you all watch Ellen......

From: K Cummings
18-Oct-17
"On a related note, stock prices for Reynolds Aluminum increased significantly today. :)"

It's interesting that you bring this up BK. I got it from a very reliable source that due to innovations in alternative consumer packaging products, sales of aluminum foil have been down sharply over the last few years, and Reynolds Group Holdings, a New Zealand company owned by Graeme Hart (a confirmed globalist billionaire) is actually directly behind the Vegas shooting, the recent hurricanes, and even what is going on with the NFL.

These are all nothing but elaborate diabolical plans to increase aluminum foil sales.

It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

KPC

From: Hunting5555
18-Oct-17
I can't imagine why there would be conspiracy theories out there....

The shooters last known official job anyone can find proof of was from 1985-1988 as an accountant / auditor for a division of Lockheed-Martin.

The guy had every gold card to every major casino in Vegas in his wallet. Basically, he could walk into any casino and say "Where's the high roller room?" and he would be taken to it, plus get the best rooms given to him. That fact alone says he was gambling a few million dollars a year.

He owned 2 airplanes. Anybody who has been around airplanes knows that owning one is not a cheap endeavor. One of the planes was leased to a company out east that is well known for its "government work"....

ISIS has never been wrong when they claim that an attack was done on their behalf. Even when authorities originally thought they were wrong, ultimately the evidence proved ISIS to be correct.

I don't know what the exact story is, but as Hannity and several others have said, this guy was a ghost for many years and something about this doesn't smell right.

And the stuff I stated was from guys I listen to that have 10 plus years connections inside the LVMPD and Sherriff's departments. That info was passed along from those inside sources.

Those same sources say that there is a video tape where he did explain his reasoning for the shooting. Those sources also said that the investigation is sooo huge and goes in so many different directions that it will take a long time to fully investigate every lead. And last week the FBI showed up and confiscated all evidence and completely took over the investigation.

So, you guys can believe what you want. I have no idea what the truth is, but those are pieces of information from guys who have been correct about many situations over the last few years.

From: sleepyhunter
18-Oct-17
I believe the shooter had some help. The truth will surface sooner or later.

18-Oct-17
I agree whole heartedly with you, Glunt and 5555.

Obviously, there is a lot of police work to be done, and there is a whole universe full of possibilities as to how and why this event happened. I have seen nothing proposed that could not possibly be true.

Of course, some idiots just cant help themselves, they have to skulk around from thread to thread to denigrate and deride certain people that they look down their noses at. They are nothing but internet stalkers and bullies who rarely if ever contribute anything positive to an existing thread or start a fresh thread of any interest.

I suspect they are either so untinteresting that nothing catches their (missing) imagination and so they bore themselves to death, or they are just so afraid of ridicule or lack of acceptance that the little chickens rarely step up and start a thread, an interesting one anyways, or so insecure that they must always berate someone else to make themselves feel good about themselves.

At any rate, I find this whole affair fascinating. We have a major event happen in public and the likelihood that WE the people will ever know the whole truth grows dimmer by the day. The precedent for that statement is showing up in the news everyday. Headlines like the recent discovery of evidence that Clinton took bribes from Russia while Obama smiled on make my point.

Keep clucking you little chickens! Every new news cycle has egg for your face as over and over again some of the "wildest" ideas ever turn out to be true!

18-Oct-17

Spike Bull 's Link
So Campos showed up on the set of "Ellen", she must have paid more, or maybe the PTB were afraid of the questions that Hannity would ask!

From: K Cummings
18-Oct-17
"I believe the shooter had some help."

Wittingly or unwittingly?

KPC

From: Annony Mouse
18-Oct-17
Well, one fact that is hard to deny is that the FBI seems to have demonstrated that they have a credibility problem which helps many of the rising conspiracy theories have some legs.

More fallout from the politization of the DOJ under Obama.

From: BIG BEAR
18-Oct-17
Now there's a great bench mark in your life..... How many interesting threads you start on the Bowsite Community Forums...... Sheesh

18-Oct-17
"but I haven't heard anyone speculate on WHY they think some kind of conspiracy is occurring"

mental illness and/or lack of critical thinking skills maybe?

From: bad karma
18-Oct-17
Well, Spike, when you're right about one in ten thousand tries, I guess it's time to get up and cheer. But you're a long ways from chalking up number two of ten thousand on this topic. Between the Clintons and the deaths of people silenced to keep from talking about the Mandalay Bay case, America's population should be about 300,000 in a couple of years.

From: Grey Ghost
18-Oct-17
Spike,

Let me know when one of your conspiracy threads actually turns out to be true. Until then, you'll continue to be the National Enquirer of the CF in my book.

I'm curious, how many hours a day do you spend scouring your right wingnut sites to find your material? When was the last time you hunted, or even stepped outdoors?

And what satisfaction do you derive from starting a thread that either gets debunked immediately, or gets nothing but the usual "rah rah" type responses? Wouldn't you prefer topics that generate honest discussion with opposing opinions from both sides?

I'll admit, I've been one of your biggest critics, but that's only because I think you're smarter than what some of your threads suggest. When you actually articulate your own thoughts, instead of copying and pasting those of others, I enjoy your perspective.

Anyway, my apologies for my brashness. I'll will try to improve on that.

Matt

From: K Cummings
18-Oct-17
"Now there's a great bench mark in your life..... How many interesting threads you start on the Bowsite Community Forums......"

Especially when 90% of them are found to be bogus.

Sadly, reality is just too boring for some. Clandestine conspiracies, paranoid suspicions, and organizational subterfuge is a lot more "interesting."

Maybe the people who point out such folly are actually part of the conspiracy. It could all be a form of gaslighting.

Hmmmmm??

KPC

From: Mint
18-Oct-17

Mint's Link
I think Ann Coulter sums it up best.

From: Gray Ghost
18-Oct-17
It's interesting that Ann ridicules the media for "begging us for conspiracy theories", then proceeds to offer up her own conspiracy theory. Can't anyone wait until the facts finally come to light? Or, has our society become so addicted to instant gratification, we can no longer wait for the truth to be sleuthed out?

For the record, I've maintained all along Paddock's gambling has something to do with this. I don't have any unique insight, it's just a hunch. The addicted gamblers I've known have always been less than reputable characters, and often on the the wrong side of the law. I never considered illegal firearms as the reason for his gambling, and I'm not sure how that relates to massacring innocent people, but I guess it's as good a theory as any.

Matt

From: sleepyhunter
18-Oct-17
That's an interesting article Mint thanks.

From: sleepyhunter
18-Oct-17
"" Can't anyone wait until the facts finally come to light?""

Yes, the truth will surface sooner or later. I hope he was acting on his own.

From: K Cummings
18-Oct-17
"I hope he was acting on his own."

Personally, I hope it eventually comes out that he was acting on behalf of a larger entity...or at least in his mind thought he was.

KPC

From: Sixby
18-Oct-17
Nothing like a massacre and lots of speculation to get the press and the people off the breaking political news., Such as Democrat collusion with Russia , Uranium One., The people in England that supplied the document on Trump and who paid them. The involvement of the FBI and Comey and Loretta Lynch with the Clinton coverup. Just add a massive murder of Americans by , supposedly a man with no motive, a ghost who is a multi millionaire., and poof., It all goes away. There < i added to the speculation.

God bless, Steve

From: Jim Moore
18-Oct-17
Sadly, I believe that there will be more and probably worse instances like the Mandalay Massacre. Society is devolving at a rapid rate. People are getting assed up and offended by just about everything. Social media and instantaneous news, whether true, contrived or just "not letting facts get in the way of a good story" fuel it. You really cannot escape it for long.

Personally, I think Paddock was an effing nut. I think he did this by himself. I hope I am wrong. I hope they do link him to some terrorist organization, or there was another. Some thing to justify our anger; to give some clarity to the abundance of conjecture and conspiracy. Then again lately, it seems like the waters never really clear up anymore.

From: sleepyhunter
18-Oct-17
""Personally, I hope it eventually comes out that he was acting on behalf of a larger entity...or at least in his mind thought he was.""

If ISIS is involved in this shooting there will be hell to pay for them. Worst case would be BLM or Antifa is involved. Not sure how it would be handled, it would be very dangerous.

18-Oct-17
Hahahhaaa!

We WILL see!

From: HA/KS
18-Oct-17
Grassy knoll .......

From: Sixby
18-Oct-17

From: BIG BEAR
18-Oct-17

From: Fulldraw1972
18-Oct-17
I need to sell some stock. I had a hunch I would need to buy it 5 years ago when a coworker made this hat.

From: sleepyhunter
18-Oct-17
I read the The Sixteen Commandments of Poon. I believe it's more of a fast track to divorce court if put into practice.

19-Oct-17
the fast track to divorce court might interest a few people that I know......

From: sleepyhunter
19-Oct-17
Yeah, that's probably true.

From: Glunt@work
19-Oct-17
I am sure there is a lot of pressure from huge money and power in Vegas to not have the shooting be in the headlines but as we get to the 20 day mark its oddly quiet.

Biggest mass shooting in recent history (not the biggest in America's history) no criminal case pending, suspect dead and we haven't gotten basic facts like Paddocks cause of death confirmed, number of rounds, number of people shot vs other injuries, what Campos was shot with, who leaked the room photos, what camera gear did he have and how was it set up, contents of his phones and recent texts, evidence list from the room, etc.

I'm sure it takes time to process all the bullet strikes, ballistics and CCTV footage of him around Vegas and in the hotel that week but I would have expected the room and his body to be done by now.

If there was an investigation involving other suspects I could see keeping a lid on things. Otherwise just dump info out. We can handle it and the lack of info just fuels speculation.

From: slade
19-Oct-17

From: Annony Mouse
19-Oct-17

Annony Mouse's Link

From: Annony Mouse
25-Oct-17
Add Another To The "List"....

**RING**

"Hello, Special Prosecutor Mueller's Office, This is Damien may I help you?"

"Uh huh,Yes... Oh Hi , how are you?"

"Of course you can testify against Madame Secretary Clinton."

"Oh, yes! We absolutely guarantee your safety." "This is America and we protect whistle-blowers for justice with every fiber of our being."

"Uh-huh. Yes."

"We will gladly meet you and take your official statement." "Do you have a pencil and paper? ... Great."

"Please gather all of the pertinent documents in your posession, hard drives, thumb drives, recordings, notes and photos and we will meet you at 3:45 AM at Fort Marcy Park on October 27." " Dangerous? *chuckles* Of course not. We'll be completely safe." "Be sure to bring everything as Mr. Mueller is very thorough."

"A lot of evidence??" "Well, We can send a truck." "Oh, it won't be a problem."

"Great!, see you then!"

"No problem and you're welcome Ms. Wasserman-Schultz." "Looking forward to meeting you very soon."

*click*

From: JTV
25-Oct-17
lol .....

From: Glunt@work
26-Oct-17
Finally some new developments:

Being reported that Jose Campos, the security guard who was shot in the leg, went to Mexico after the shooting & Paddocks laptop in his room was missing the hard drive.

Looks like all the puzzle pieces are on the table in in place. Took a while but this should end the conspiracy speculations :^)

From: Amoebus
26-Oct-17
5555 - It was widely reported almost immediately after the shooting that he had rental properties and was a high-stakes video and in-casino gambler.

From: slade
02-Nov-17

slade's Link
Why Has The Las Vegas Massacre Disappeared From The News Cycle?

02-Nov-17
Nothing to see here, move along, move along ladies.....

From: Hunting5555
02-Nov-17
Amoebus, yes I know it was, but the level of his gambling was under reported. He was gambling millions a year to have the cards he had in his wallet.

Interesting fact I didn't know..... Gambling is a very good way to launder money.....

New info is very scarce related to Vegas since the FBI took over everything. But comparisons that have been thrown around by insiders are: Fast and Furious and Mena, AR.

From: K Cummings
02-Nov-17
"Why Has The Las Vegas Massacre Disappeared From The News Cycle?"

This is only speculation but if I were a betting man I'd say the reason is because all the major news outlets are gathering outside Fox News as we speak. Rumor has it that the CCC is about to take out Sean Hannity because of what he intends to reveal on his show tonight. At least that's what I read here on the CF.

Who in the MSM would want to miss that?

KPC

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