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House Cat or Young Cougar?
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NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
Norseman 25-Oct-17
BIG BEAR 25-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 25-Oct-17
gflight 25-Oct-17
Brotsky 25-Oct-17
elkmtngear 25-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 25-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 25-Oct-17
elkmtngear 25-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 25-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
Sixby 25-Oct-17
Whitey 25-Oct-17
Gray Ghost 25-Oct-17
WV Mountaineer 25-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
elkmtngear 25-Oct-17
HA/KS 25-Oct-17
bad karma 25-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 25-Oct-17
Whitey 25-Oct-17
HA/KS 25-Oct-17
Shuteye 26-Oct-17
Pete In Fairbanks 26-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 26-Oct-17
Fulldraw1972 26-Oct-17
Solo 26-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 26-Oct-17
Annony Mouse 26-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 26-Oct-17
sportoutfitter 26-Oct-17
AZOnecam 26-Oct-17
NvaGvUp 26-Oct-17
Rhody 26-Oct-17
AZOnecam 27-Oct-17
IdyllwildArcher 27-Oct-17
Whitey 27-Oct-17
MT in MO 27-Oct-17
From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17
Got this last night on the same trail camera I got the three-legged bear on Monday night.

It's too big to be a house cat, IMO, but to me, the key is the tail is way too long for a house cat. My guess it's a yearling cougar.

What do you guys think?

From: Norseman
25-Oct-17
Yup

From: BIG BEAR
25-Oct-17
No doubt

From: Gray Ghost
25-Oct-17
Looks like a young Puma to me, Kyle.

The animals sure seem to like those lighted steps. ;-)

Matt

From: gflight
25-Oct-17
You got a lot of critters loving them crabapples....

From: Brotsky
25-Oct-17
A stairstep rise is a little less than 8", which would make this thing about 10" tall at the shoulder. Housecat for sure.

From: elkmtngear
25-Oct-17
I agree with Brotsky, House cat, no doubt. A cougar that size would be heavily spotted, with obvious black ears and muzzle.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17
The cougar just walked by the crabapple tree and kept going. So that's the only video I got. We've got two more cameras up in the direction he was headed, but no evidence of him on either one.

Now that I've figured out post videos, here are the two bucks we got on video in mid-August.

Nighttime Buck

Same Buck the Next Day

Second Buck

From: Gray Ghost
25-Oct-17
Brotsky makes a good point. That thing is too small for a mountain lion of any age.

There are house cat breeds that have long skinny tails.

I'm changing my answer to house cat.

Matt

From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17
Gotta' be a young cougar.

No domestic cat that I know of has a tail anywhere near that long.

From: Gray Ghost
25-Oct-17

Gray Ghost's embedded Photo
Gray Ghost's embedded Photo
Abyssinian house cat. (aka: Aby cat)

Matt

From: elkmtngear
25-Oct-17
A cougar that size would have a huge head compared to the body, plus all the spots and markings I mentioned. The spots remain well into the juvenile stage.

25-Oct-17
here kitty, kitty, kitty.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17
If it's a house cat, he's not for long. The 'yotes will have him for a late night snack.

Several years ago new neighbors moved in across the street. They had three cats. In a month or so, they had no cats.

We had a black cat show up on this same camera several times per week until a few weeks ago. We've not seen him since.

From: Gray Ghost
25-Oct-17
His likelihood of surviving depends on whether he's domesticated or wild. We have wild barn cats that survive in coyote country for years. The neighbors house cat, Fluffy, not so much.

Matt

From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17
When I was up in WA elk hunting last month, I arrowed a coyote.

When I went to pick him up, I was astonished at how small he was. He had to had been a young-of-the-year.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17

NvaGvUp's embedded Photo
NvaGvUp's embedded Photo
I sent the cougar/cat video to NDOW's biologist for the Reno area.

He thinks it's a cougar and later asked me how high those solar lights are. I told him 10" above the rocks and he still thinks it's a baby cougar following it's mother and she missed being filmed.

From: Sixby
25-Oct-17
Body proportionment of a housecat and couger is exactly the same./ Feet are way larger on couger and that is really the only way to tell with studying the animal up close. That could be a couger or a very large housecat.

God bless, Steve

From: Whitey
25-Oct-17
I have the largest breed of Housecat a Mainecoon and his tail is not that long. Mainecoons can weigh 30lbs . The only short haired cat I know of that gets big is the Savanah cat but they have shorter tails . If the lights are that tall that would be one big pussycat.

From: Gray Ghost
25-Oct-17
Just look at the first frame of the video. The lights are 10", and the cat is no taller than the lights. That's a fairly average sized house cat. I'm sticking with kitty cat.

Matt

25-Oct-17
House cat. No doubt about it

25-Oct-17
I have a Maine coon. It's a great cat. very dog like. He only weighs about 20 lbs though.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17
My first reaction when I saw that video was, "Too big to be a housecat and too small to be a cougar."

The more I look at the length of the tail, the more inclined I am to believe it's a little cougar.

There are plenty of cougars in the area. It seems one was spotted a few blocks down the street just a few days ago. Heck, a few years ago I opened the back door to let my old dog out at 6:30 AM in February. When I turned on the lights to the backyard, there was an mature cougar standing broadside and looking at me less than 15 yards away.

From: elkmtngear
25-Oct-17
Freeze frame at 10 seconds. Note the little paws. Kitty cat.

From: HA/KS
25-Oct-17
Seems awful late in the year for a cat that young if it is a cougar.

From: bad karma
25-Oct-17
I saw one about that size near Wheatland, Wyoming a couple of years ago, trying to get a prairie dog. And that one was clearly a mountain lion. I'm saying cougar as well.

From: NvaGvUp
25-Oct-17
Henry,

Back in the late nineties, while on a deer hunt in UT in late August, I saw a fawn that surely was born the night before. I saw her again the next day and she was far more mobile and agile.

From: Whitey
25-Oct-17
I looked at it on freeze frame on a 60” 4K tv , Pete Puma.

From: HA/KS
25-Oct-17

HA/KS's Link
"Cougars in Washington are capable of breeding at any time of year, although birth pulses have been observed in January and August."

From: Shuteye
26-Oct-17
Looks like a cougar to me. I have never seen one but take care of a friend's 20+ cats when he goes on vacation. NvaGvUp's video isn't like any puddy tat I have seen and I have seen plenty. BTW, I live on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. Every expert will tell you there are no cougars near here. My neighbor killed a cougar back in the 50's and the news paper took pictures and put it on the front page. It was absolutely positively a cougar that was killing his calves.

26-Oct-17
Another indication that it is a young lion is the distinct black coloration at the very end of the tail.

Pete

From: NvaGvUp
26-Oct-17
Pete,

You beat me to it. ;^)

Guys,

Note that measuring the height of the cougar/kitty by comparing the critter to the solar lights is a bit problematic due to the angle of the camera to the cougar/kitty and those lights.

From: Fulldraw1972
26-Oct-17
It sure looks like a young cougar to me. It’s easy to see the black on the tip of the tail with IR.

A few years ago I came across a couple of bobcat kittens at the beginning of Nov. I remember thinking how small they appeared for the time of year.

From: Solo
26-Oct-17
Okay.... Yes, that is the closest thing to a cougar tail as they get. The young coug's I've encountered were a bit more pudgy than what this one 'appears' to be. I'm pretty sure I see some spots on his front legs, like cubs have. I don't know for sure. I really wanna say it's a cougar, but.... Tough call.

Bottom line though.... What a great place you have, Kyle!!! Y'all must be having a blast with this backyard wildlife adventure...

From: NvaGvUp
26-Oct-17
Jeff,

The trail camera thing started when my wife gave me one for Christmas. We hung in a place we thought would work well, yet got nothing. So in August, my wife moved it and focused it on that crab apple tree. Then we bought two more and I put up a post so they could cover the rest of the backyard.

In August, we got the Muley Buck videos, but then nothing until earlier this month when the big bruin showed up.

The last three days, however, have been amazing; a three-legged bear, the little cougar, then the bear hugging the camera last night.

I'm off to IL on a hunt early tomorrow AM with Mike in CT, so won't be able to post any more videos of whatever else shows up until I return

From: Annony Mouse
26-Oct-17
The really big question is why Kyle did not post this pic from his camera?

What you putting in your feeders...?

From: NvaGvUp
26-Oct-17
LOL!

You crack me up, my friend!

26-Oct-17
You growin cat nip trees, Kyle? :)

From: AZOnecam
26-Oct-17
+1 for house cat, based on its proportions.

From: NvaGvUp
26-Oct-17
+10 more for cougar, given the length of the tail, the black tip of the tail, and the fact the local NDOW biologist's thinking it's a baby cougar.

From: Rhody
26-Oct-17
Black tip and rings on the tail, ears dark, tips of paws white. I'm learning toward little cougar.

From: AZOnecam
27-Oct-17
Oh crap, having gone back and watched it a couple more times, I have to eat crow. I think my initial assessment was wrong - just based on the tail coloration and that distinctive "curl" it does, I'd have to agree it looks more like a cougar.

27-Oct-17
House cat. Look at the feet on animal in the video and then look at the feet on the baby puma in the picture. It has the small feet of a house cat.

Kyle, how far out of town are you and how much property do you and your neighbors have?

From: Whitey
27-Oct-17
If you blow it up and stop it at 2 secs you will see the outline of yuge feet.

From: MT in MO
27-Oct-17
I'm going with lion...

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