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Trump helps Repubs lose VA & NJ
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Jimbo 08-Nov-17
Jimbo 08-Nov-17
Woods Walker 08-Nov-17
Bowfreak 08-Nov-17
Jimbo 08-Nov-17
Jimbo 08-Nov-17
Woods Walker 08-Nov-17
tonyo6302 08-Nov-17
Jimbo 08-Nov-17
Woods Walker 08-Nov-17
Tiger eye 08-Nov-17
Bowfreak 08-Nov-17
woodguy65 08-Nov-17
Atheist 08-Nov-17
Mint 08-Nov-17
Atheist 08-Nov-17
Solo 08-Nov-17
K Cummings 08-Nov-17
K Cummings 08-Nov-17
NvaGvUp 08-Nov-17
HDE 08-Nov-17
JTV 08-Nov-17
elkmtngear 08-Nov-17
Whitey 08-Nov-17
Bownarrow 08-Nov-17
bad karma 08-Nov-17
HDE 08-Nov-17
Dave G. 08-Nov-17
bad karma 08-Nov-17
Dave G. 08-Nov-17
bad karma 08-Nov-17
Dave G. 08-Nov-17
elkmtngear 08-Nov-17
bad karma 08-Nov-17
HDE 08-Nov-17
Trax 08-Nov-17
sleepyhunter 08-Nov-17
Dave G. 08-Nov-17
TD 08-Nov-17
JTV 08-Nov-17
slade 08-Nov-17
tonyo6302 08-Nov-17
Spike Bull 08-Nov-17
JTV 08-Nov-17
Owl 08-Nov-17
Jimbo 08-Nov-17
MNRazorhead 08-Nov-17
bad karma 08-Nov-17
JTV 08-Nov-17
Owl 08-Nov-17
Bentstick81 08-Nov-17
TGbow 08-Nov-17
Owl 08-Nov-17
TGbow 08-Nov-17
elkmtngear 08-Nov-17
JTV 09-Nov-17
Owl 09-Nov-17
Bowfreak 09-Nov-17
bad karma 09-Nov-17
elkmtngear 09-Nov-17
JTV 09-Nov-17
Sage Buffalo 09-Nov-17
Annony Mouse 11-Nov-17
HA/KS 11-Nov-17
Bowfreak 11-Nov-17
DL 11-Nov-17
Annony Mouse 13-Nov-17
HA/KS 13-Nov-17
From: Jimbo
08-Nov-17
"Voter analysis found that Trump was an important factor for more than one third (38 percent) of voters, and those folks broke for Northam by a 39-point margin."

From: Jimbo
08-Nov-17
"The president’s role in campaigns will clearly continue to be a critical issue as we approach the 2018 midterm elections."

From: Woods Walker
08-Nov-17
Oooo......a POLL! It must be true then! Just ask President Hillary!

From: Bowfreak
08-Nov-17
BS. Republicans in Congress are responsible for the Republican loss. Trump will win again.

Mark it down.

Regardless of what lefties think, he is what people want, not milquetoast Republicans.

From: Jimbo
08-Nov-17
Actually, WW... my first post was taken directly from a Fox News story. My second post was taken directly from a Fox News opinion.

From: Jimbo
08-Nov-17
I switched over to Fox News to watch Hannity when the results came in last night... there was nothing there... not even scrolling across the bottom. Guess it was a tough night for Sean. LOL

From: Woods Walker
08-Nov-17
Yes, and they're still POLLS, and OPINION. And they were/are WRONG. Even Fox. I put very little faith or credence in polls anymore. Most all of them are just clickbait.

From: tonyo6302
08-Nov-17
Virginia has been blue for years. Nothing new about Northam winning.

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We have suffered from Kaine as Gov. and Senator for a decade now.

Nothing new.

From: Jimbo
08-Nov-17
Ostrich Syndrome is strong in here.

Face it, guys... if Trump doesn't change his BEHAVIOR, he will become the Democrats biggest advantage in the mid-term elections.

General Kelly has his work cut out for him.

From: Woods Walker
08-Nov-17
This ostrich syndrome you speak of......if this the same affliction that was present on election day evening a year ago when the networks were still saying Hillary would win as late as 9 pm?

Or does this only apply to the party you oppose?

From: Tiger eye
08-Nov-17
If Trump changes his behavior he will become a Democrat

From: Bowfreak
08-Nov-17
Exactly Tiger Eye. Congress is the problem, not Trump. Trump has done his best to implement his agenda. The hacks in congress have done their best to stop it. So far, they have won nearly every time.

Trump will be POTUS 8 years.

From: woodguy65
08-Nov-17
Both States went for Hilliary whats your point??

From: Atheist
08-Nov-17
Meanwhile, had Gillespie won, everyone e here would crowing about Trumpism and maga! A wave is coming. It’s anti trump. It’s diverse and you’re going to hate it. Mark that down.

From: Mint
08-Nov-17
Jimbo, I hope you and the democrats continue to think that way since you will surely lose. The New Jersey voters are complete idiots since this fool wants to give more pension giveaways even though the state is effectively bankrupt due to pension debt. Going to be real amusing when it all hits the fan.

From: Atheist
08-Nov-17
The state of jersey is a mess because of Christie. He borrowed money from the state pension system, Never replaced it and yet he’s a fiscal conservative? Nice try though.

From: Solo
08-Nov-17

From: K Cummings
08-Nov-17
"Actually, WW... my first post was taken directly from a Fox News story. My second post was taken directly from a Fox News opinion."

Really Jimbo, a "Fox News opinion?"

That quote was actually taken from a piece written by Doug Schoen. Yes, he is a FN contributor, but definitely on the left side of the "fair and balanced" spectrum.

In the same article that you cherr picked your quote from, Schoen also said the following:

"To be clear, Murphy’s win will be an important pick up for the Democratic Party, but a win in what can be described as the Democrats’ backyard is not a major development in the national landscape."

"To be sure, this victory alone does not change the disorder that was made abundantly clear in Donna Brazile’s recent revelations about the relationship between the DNC and Hillary Clinton in 2016."

"Throughout the course of the Virginia campaign, Northam was never beholden to the Democratic party’s loudest, most liberal voices, as evidenced by his shift on sanctuary cities just last week. In fact, he defeated the progressive base’s preferred choice in the June primary"

"The role of the Trump administration with the Gillespie campaign was a tenuous one, despite Gillespie at times trying to distance himself from the president, even though many of the president’s policies and law-and-order rhetoric are in line with his own.

Nice try, but taken in context, this is hardly the celebratory dance you appear to want to make it, especially when the suggestion was that maybe Trump wasn't used enough.

It's a little like saying "Exercise Helped Obese Man Die Of Heart Attack"...lack of it, that is.

KPC

From: K Cummings
08-Nov-17

K Cummings's Link
Link to full article.

KPC

From: NvaGvUp
08-Nov-17
Woodsie,

It wasn't a poll. It was an election.

From: HDE
08-Nov-17
No doubt the dems will take both houses of Congress in 2018. Then everyone will see the fallacy of the dem platform and how clueless they really are.

Mark it down.

The current repubs in there have learned well how to be political hacks and clueless about most everything thanks to the last 8 years of stupidity.

From: JTV
08-Nov-17
Once again Jimbo is talking out his ass... any relation to 'theist/freeFruity ??.. so Dems won in two state that are bastions of Democrat stupidity and ignorance ? ... and you also want us to be surprised the sun comes up in the east ....

From: elkmtngear
08-Nov-17
No doubt, Christy hosed himself in NJ.

And, Dems have won the majority of elections in Virginia for decades. No news there.

But, it's Trump's fault, lol! Jimbo, you sound more like a libtard every day. Care to take a bet on the midterms Congressional elections?

From: Whitey
08-Nov-17
It’s not Trumps fault. The Libs were just more motivated after the ass kicking they took a year ago. Republicans are less motivated because they see thier candidates are really lib lite.

From: Bownarrow
08-Nov-17
You guys talk like it's Bama vs Auburn. What most of us want is fixes to healthcare, the tax system, and continued job creation. While not spiraling the debt, killing innovation or ruining the planet. I don't care if its Conservative (Mitt Romney, Kasich, Bushes-btw guys I identify with), Democrats (yep, don't care if Crooked Hillary fixed it, I'd still be happy) or Reality TV Republicans (Trump, some of you guys). It's about the issues for some of us. But that would take you looking at the individual's positions and learning about them in some amount of depth; and you'd have to determine the type of person they are based on past conduct (Bill Clinton, Trump). That's harder than screaming about how terrible the other side is, and makes the discussion a whole lot more complicated.

From: bad karma
08-Nov-17
Nice try, but the reality is unless the Democrats follow the Pelosi/Tom Perez, etc, hard left agenda, they become ostracized, and can't even get their phone calls returned.

The only hope to get out of this socialist spiral is to elect Republicans, which may be unfortunate, but it's what you have.

The story in Virginia is simple: Democrat wins state overwhelming populated by Democrats. No different than "Republican wins in Oklahoma."

From: HDE
08-Nov-17
And NM will be have a dem for its next gov'r as well - no surprise there as it is a gateway to DACA recipients...

From: Dave G.
08-Nov-17
"so Dems won in two state that are bastions of Democrat stupidity and ignorance ?"'

"And, Dems have won the majority of elections in Virginia for decades. No news there."

""The story in Virginia is simple: Democrat wins state overwhelming populated by Democrats. "

Really??????? You folks may want to do some checking.

Virginia Presidential Elections: 1968 to 2016 - 10 Republican, 3 Democrat

Virginia State Senate Elections: 1996 to 2016 - 5 Republican, 1 Democrat

Virginia State House Elections: 2000 to 2016 9 Republican, 0 Democrat

Virginia Gubernatorial Elections: 1994 to 2014 -3 Republican, 3 Democrat

From: bad karma
08-Nov-17
Nobody gives a damn about 1994 or 2000. It's what Virginia looks like now, and it's heavily democratic. This is like talking about how good the San Francisco 49ers were in 2010.

From: Dave G.
08-Nov-17
"Nobody gives a damn about 1994 or 2000." You hear that JTV and elkmtngear?

Heavily democratic my a$$. Virginia legislature is Republican-controlled. There's more to the dynamics of elections within Virginia than folks on the other side of the U.S. are aware of.

From: bad karma
08-Nov-17
Who was the prior governor? The despicable Terry McAuliffe. We're talking about statewide elections here, not some safe districts.

The heavily populated districts near DC overwhelm the rest of the state. It's similar to Colorado where the Front Range dictates what happens.

But you can go rely on the past. By gosh, even the Cleveland Browns were good once.

From: Dave G.
08-Nov-17
"The heavily populated districts near DC overwhelm the rest of the state. "

No sheet Sherlock. Those heavily populated districts near DC that you referred to just didn't become the controlling factor in elections, they've been that way for decades. Even when Republicans were being voted in. I guess there must have been a mass exodus of Republicans out of the state and an equally massive exodus of Democrats into Virginia. But according to you, this isn't about the past, nor is it about any negative impact from the current political attitude of the Virginia electorate, so what other irrational ideas ya got?

From: elkmtngear
08-Nov-17
"Nobody gives a damn about 1994 or 2000." You hear that JTV and elkmtngear?

To reinforce my point...go back to 1982, then count. 7 Dems, 3 Republicans.

Amazing how you can selectively cut and paste, to make a point, right?

From: bad karma
08-Nov-17
Dave, if all you have is claiming I'm irrational, you're not worth talking to.

From: HDE
08-Nov-17
"It's similar to Colorado where the Front Range dictates what happens"

Rio Grande corridor in the 'Land of Entrapment'...

From: Trax
08-Nov-17
The problem wasn’t Trump at all. It was with Gillespie himself. A moderate Republican party politic insider. Had the candidate been a true non-establishment conservative he would have won, even in this seemingly blue state. Trump campaigned for Luther Strange and he lost to a true outsider conservative. This is not about Trump, it’s about throwing out the establishment.

From: sleepyhunter
08-Nov-17

sleepyhunter's Link
I doubt if Trump helped with this.

From: Dave G.
08-Nov-17
"Dave, if all you have is claiming I'm irrational, you're not worth talking to."

If you want to duck the issue by twisting my words, that's fine, but there's a mighty big difference between calling someone's ideas irrational, and calling the individual irrational.

And elkmntgear, I suggest you talk to Bad Karma about past elections in Virginia...he's got some pretty strong feelings regarding those past statistics. According to him, those stats are as useless as stats regarding the Niners and the Browns.

From: TD
08-Nov-17
Obama won in VA twice. This last election Clinton won the state with a HIGHER total than Obama. Yep, there's a solid bastion of republicans there, you betcha.........

The real story likely is that Gillespie was even given an outside shot at winning, he wasn't much of a candidate honestly. But appears he really didn't. And THAT is what you want to do a happy dance over?

Gosh, this is going to be a long sucky 4 years for you folks....... try to pace yourselves so as to drag it out as long as possible so you can fully appreciate the Hillary/Comey trials......

From: JTV
08-Nov-17
Northern Virginia runs the state, it is lopsided with liberal progressive democrat dimwits that reside in that northern portion... no different that Chicago and northern counties that surround that hell hole, they run the state of Illinois and every one pays the price of the democrat/liberal stupidity ... .... Look at how many states, legislatures Republicans run, it is still overwhelming Republican/conservative... so biiiig whoopiedo two pos dems wont in states where the dems were expected to win....

From: slade
08-Nov-17
Gillespie was beltway bootlicking GOP swamp thing, no different the a democrat. The voters knew it and many on the right did not vote.

From: tonyo6302
08-Nov-17
Trax is spot on.

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Gillispie could not even beat "Clinton" McCauliffe 4 years ago. Why would anyone expect he could beat a decent Doctor, Veteran, and Man?

08-Nov-17
I agree, tonyo! Trax has it, simply correct.

From: JTV
08-Nov-17
two Blue States and Dems won ... so big deal ......

From: Owl
08-Nov-17
Anyone thinking a Dem executive victory is, somehow, news in VA is living a few decades in the past. They are also woefully ignorant of how the NOVA tail wags the Old Dominion dog.

The story in VA is the stunning loss of GOP seats in the House of Delegates. That's the phenomenon that needs scrutiny. November 7th started with a 20+ GOP seat advantage and the 8th dawned a tie. Flabbergasting

From: Jimbo
08-Nov-17
You guys are world class when it comes to rationalizing a loss. LOL

The "Trump Cult" stories are becoming more believable by the day.

From: MNRazorhead
08-Nov-17
Owl's numbers are actually low. The GOP went into the election with 2-1 majority, 66 to 34, a 32 seat majority. The GOP have held the majority for almost 20 years, too. As of now Democrats have won 49 seats to GOP 47 seats, with 4 still too close to call. Stunning is a polite way to describe it.

https://ballotpedia.org/Virginia_House_of_Delegates_elections,_2017

From: bad karma
08-Nov-17
Nice bit of bs analysis to fit your agenda, Jimbo. I'm not a Trump apologist nor a Trump cultist. Thank you for living down to my expectations.

From: JTV
08-Nov-17
Both Blue states, Dems were expected to win... whats to rationalize ..... Hell, Clinton even won Virginia....why would Repubs win with it tilted heavily blue, esp in that northern part with the DC scum in there .... ... Nothing to see... move along ...

From: Owl
08-Nov-17
Jimbo, if you've been around here more than 5 minutes- and you have- you know I am no fan of Trump.

MNRazorhead, thank you for correcting my numbers.

From: Bentstick81
08-Nov-17
So jimbo. Why come on here? Why waste your time? 8^))

From: TGbow
08-Nov-17
Bowfreak is right. The Republicrat leadership didn,t want Trump to win.

Neither party wants a candidiate that wont play their political machine game. I voted for Trump, as a Libertarian I hope for the best.

From: Owl
08-Nov-17
Our "do nothing" GOP majority is leaving Trump and republicans out to dry. Now, "conservatives" and the GOP are solely being defined by Trump's worst attributes which are ever-present and easily exploitable. He's just too easy a mark.

The story of VA is that the negatives on the GOP drove record numbers of dems to polls while republicans, wholly uninspired by Gillespie and the party, stayed home. A district in NOVA just unseated a 13 term delegate for a transgendered woman. What more proof is needed to know the media narrative is winning?

Jimbo is neither wrong nor right. Not completely.

From: TGbow
08-Nov-17
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

Quote from Thomas Jefferson.

Advice relevant today in the USA.

From: elkmtngear
08-Nov-17
Owl,

The Dems and DNC are also eating their own right now, as is Hollywood. Plenty of their own "worst attributes" are on display daily, in even the most Liberal media. Not going to do them any good in "Swing States" in Mid-Term elections.

Meanwhile, the Dollar is rising, more people are working. Jimbo was just waiting for any excuse to say "I told you so" (Trump will lead you to ruin)! Still butthurt that America didn't toss Trump in the dumpster and vote in the Witch.

My guess is he will still be waiting for that opportunity way past the Midterms.

From: JTV
09-Nov-17
Pundits are famous for going overboard in interpreting a couple of local elections and boldly predicting the future.

But that's not quite the case with the Democratic victory in Virginia. It really was, to a striking degree, about President Trump.

That’s certainly the message of the mainstream media, many of whose members seem to be in a very good mood this week.

Washington Post headline: "Democratic Wins are Stinging Repudiation of Trump One Year After His Election."

New York Times lead: "Voters delivered their first forceful rebuke of President Trump and his party on Tuesday night."

Even Drudge goes with "DEMS BORN AGAIN."

But I have to take a pause and say that Democrat Ralph Northam trouncing Republican Ed Gillespie for governor was not entirely about Trump. (The New Jersey governor's race was never competitive, since the Republican was Chris Christie's lieutenant governor and his poll ratings have been in the toilet.)

Virginia, and this is a generational shift, has basically become a blue state. Four of the last five governors, including outgoing incumbent Terry McAuliffe, have been Democrats. Both of the state’s senators are Democrats. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton carried Virginia in the last three elections.

Given the clout of Northern Virginia's increasingly liberal Washington suburbs, it’s possible that no Republican could have won the governor's mansion this year.

And Gillespie was caught in a no-man's land. He is a savvy establishment Republican who has been RNC chairman and President Bush’s counselor, as well as a corporate lobbyist.

But he distanced himself from Trump, never inviting him to campaign or raise money, while hitting certain Trumpian themes—illegal immigration and Confederate statues—designed to appeal to his voters.

In exit polls, half the state’s voters said Trump was a reason for their vote, and 34 percent said they were casting their ballots to oppose Trump, 17 percent to support him.

Northam, an extremely low-key lieutenant governor, may have benefitted from the fact that he is a relative moderate who twice voted for George W. Bush. He performed better than Clinton in a couple of D.C.'s exurban counties.

Interestingly, few commentators were willing to predict a Northam victory, especially with tightening polls in the final two weeks; he won by almost 9 points. In hindsight, of course, everyone's an expert.

But for all the chatter about how the Democrats are now poised to take over the House, Times analyst Nate Cohn offered these cautionary words:

"It is not obvious that Tuesday's performance represents a significant improvement over the Democrats' showings earlier in the year. In 2018, they won’t always get the luxury of competing in such favorable districts. To take the House next November, they might have to do even better than they did on Tuesday."

America, in short, is not Virginia or New Jersey. The Democrats would need to pick up 24 seats, some of them in red states. The Dems got a much-needed morale boost, but the midterms are still a year away and the Trump presidency could look very different by then.

Howard Kurtz is a Fox News analyst and the host of "MediaBuzz" (Sundays 11 a.m.). He is the author of five books and is based in Washington. Follow him at @HowardKurtz. Click here for more information on Howard Kurtz.

From: Owl
09-Nov-17
It will take substantive policy improvements to negate the media narrative. That's not on Trump right now. The economy is ticking up and if people feel that enough, any incumbent will be tough to beat but the GOP will have to outperform the constant lies and misinformation campaign by the 4th body of American politics.. Tough task but doable. Looking at you Congress.

From: Bowfreak
09-Nov-17

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Since the OP loves polls. Here is one from Politico....If voters had it to do over, Trump wins again and by a BIGGER margin!

#MAGA

From: bad karma
09-Nov-17
For the record: "The Virginia electorate has been changing year after year, and moving further to the left. Approximately 40% of Northern Virginia residents are foreign-born. The current governor and the governor-elect restored voting rights to convicted felons. That added at least 156,000 potential new voters to the rolls who overwhelmingly vote Democrat." —Gary Bauer

From: elkmtngear
09-Nov-17
"The current governor and the governor-elect restored voting rights to convicted felons".

Sounds like a California Clone. Jerry Brown is trying to do the same exact thing out here right now. Keeping those felons on the street means votes, so he's downgrading crimes to misdemeanors (to include deliberate transmission of HIV without notice), and On 28 September 2016, Brown signed Assembly Bill 2466, which allowed felons imprisoned in county jails to vote while still behind bars or under post-release monitoring.

From: JTV
09-Nov-17
BK, Rush talked about that earlier today... YUUUuuuge shift in demographics in VA..... but it was a dem/blue state to start with before the election.... like I said, no different than down stater's in Illinois trying to overcome the Chitcago influence ...

From: Sage Buffalo
09-Nov-17
Mark it down - Trump won't be our candidate in 2020. If he is, we suffer the biggest loss we have ever had.

The only thing that saves Trump is if we are at war but hoping that doesn't happen.

To those looking to last election - the odds of the DNC putting up such a poor candidate AND that candidate being tanked by a scathing FBI report the week before is almost 0%.

Trump could have been re-elected but his schtick is tiresome and his leadership is pathetic as almost no one wants to work for him. He imploded more than anything else. He's just a terrible leader.

2020 will be interesting.

From: Annony Mouse
11-Nov-17

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From: HA/KS
11-Nov-17
Mouse, again I say that all voting should be done in person, on paper, and on election day.

From: Bowfreak
11-Nov-17
You are as confused about the electorate as the establishment is Sage. Trump will be on the ballot and he will win again.

From: DL
11-Nov-17

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I wish his twitter account was deleted. Maybe the reason so many cabinet and administration people leave is because he demands way more from them than they are willing to do. Stock market value has increased by 2 Trillion dollars. How’s your 401ks doing?

From: Annony Mouse
13-Nov-17

From: HA/KS
13-Nov-17
Yes, the 4th estate is a 5th column.

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