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A married North Carolina teacher and junior varsity cheerleading coach was arrested Wednesday after allegedly having a sexual relationship with a male student.
On a serious note, in many circumstances, brand new teachers can be teaching kids that are only 4 or 5 years younger than themselves. I am all for taking responsibility for one's actions but I wonder if that isn't just a problem waiting to happen.
I think of some of the "kids" that will be graduating college this year with my daughter, and while they are adults chronologically, they are still children emotionally. Combine that with the level of sexuality of the average hs student and you have a recipe for disaster. I remember having this discussion with a friend that is a teacher (male). He said when he first started, it was a struggle every day. He was amazed at how willing, and able, young women were to turn on the charm...and other things, and how downright manipulative they can be. He basically said it wasn't a matter of finding them attractive or not, it's a matter of having enough self control to not act on it. He is a great guy, a great dad, and a great teacher...and even he found it hard. I'm sure the same is true for young female teachers and male students.
Would it makes sense to limit the age of the students that new teachers can teach until they are more mature in the profession and have a few years of experience under their belts?
I don't know the answers, I was just curious what your opinion is.
Our teacher shortage here is at crisis level and I just don’t think people understand how bad it really is. We need warm bodies in the classrooms. I like the idea of what you’re saying but beggars can’t be choosers sometimes. And some states, like Oklahoma, will make it easier for people to get in instead of making it an appealing job. Yea, I’m talking salary. Money talks.
There’s always gonna be some no matter where you are that can’t control themselves and I’m not sure there’s a solution for it. Like others said above, its been going on forever. Now you just hear about it. Hell, Fox even has a little section on their website devoted to teachers having sex with students. That gives the impression that it’s some new thing that’s happening out there.
I went to parochial school (many of which are perpetually broke) through elementary school, and public school for junior high and high school so I've seen both sides.
I'm of the opinion that there is already enough money in the system, it just needs to be allocated better. That and the fact that parents are willing to do less and less in the education process, and demanding that teachers do more and more. I know parents that screamed bloody murder when they had to buy a graphing calculator for 80 bucks, but thought nothing about spending 500 bucks for the latest iPhone, Xbox, or prom dress. Combine that with the fact that the only time some parents want to get involved at all is when they feel some teacher hurt their precious child's feelings.
But hey, that's probably a different discussion for a different day.
Why are schools scrambling to find people to put in classrooms?
"Nationwide, teacher education enrollments dropped 35% between 2009 and 2014, the most recent year for which data are available, according to the Learning Policy Institute."
There are many advantages to being a teacher. Without them, I could not do it. This is my 39th year in education and I feel blessed and privileged to teach.
BTW, I got a raise this year. It is the first time since 1979 that I got a raise without changing jobs.
I also purchased a used car in 1979. It was 10 years old, had 130,000 miles on it and the raise I got that year would pay for it in something like 26 years. The raise I got this year would buy that car in about five years. Added: to get this raise, I took four more university classes at almost $1,000 each to keep my certification.
A typical news anchor is on screen for maybe 30 minutes per day. They have a support staff and somebody else is in charge of their audience's behavior.
A typical teacher is on stage 6.5 hours per day. They have no support staff, and are in charge of the behavior of a sometimes hostile audience with no real tools to use if the behaviors are inappropriate. It is not a picnic.
What was once just local news, is now instantly National News.
If what I said was perceived as a generalization, I apologize. I have a lot of respect for teachers. Just not those who sleep with their students, lol.
Especially the home schooled ones.
Yeah, I know...... double standards.... guilty as charged. Highly charged actually.....
Honestly one female science teacher in high school (who I didn't hit on) married one of my female classmates (who was the science teachers aide) not long after graduation, after the classmate had a legal sex change. That was likely in 1975? Not too much new under the sun, but that was pretty different to say the least. Pretty small high school too. I don't know if she continued to teach there or if they packed up and moved on.
Strange things happen when you put enough highly charged rascals in a small cage.....
Let me first say that I have the utmost respect for quality teachers...period. I have the utmost respect for quality workers of all kinds, whether they are teachers, accountants, garbage collectors, lawn service workers, or physicians.
What I have a problem with is the notion that they are compensated any less than their equally educated counterparts. Granted, certain areas lag behind others, but that is the same for every vocation.
My daughter will graduate in the spring with a BS degree (with honors) in finance. If she chooses to stay in our local area, she will do so knowing that she will make a fraction of what she could make in other areas and even at that, her potential for advancement will be equally limited.
My wife has a Bachelors degree in accounting and she does not make what the attached chart indicates the average teacher makes for her years of experience. Nobody guarantees her raises every year, cost of living adjustments, or bonuses. If it's in the budget, they get them, and if it isn't, they don't. Add to that the fact that her benefits, both in terms of vacation, medical, retirement, pension, etc., are nowhere near what the average teacher has here in MI. Why does she work where she does when I'm sure she could get a better gig elsewhere? It's simple. She likes it. She likes the company, the people she works with, and we like the area in which we live.
At the end of the day, it's all about priorities.
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Sorry, couldn't help myself...
I got a raise 2 years ago, it was the first raise in 8 years. The state gave us a cost of living adjustment one time. Health insurance premiums went up almost exactly the same amount that year.. We did get a $750 bonus this year for Christmas, 30% of that disappeared in tax withholding. And I don't make nearly what your chart shows. My youngest daughter got a BS in business management a few years ago, stayed in Northwest Arkansas and started out making more than I do. I'm proud of her.
I took a pay cut 18 years ago to leave my job as a clerk in a hardware store and go back into teaching. From the money angle, sometimes I regret it. From the paperwork angle I definitely regret it, but when one of My Kids comes back gives me a hug and says thanks, it's all good.
I have a friend who got married young. Her and her husband both wanted to be teachers but they could not afford to both go to school at the same time. They decided she would get her degree and start teaching and then he would go to school to be a teacher. He got a job driving for UPS.
She went to school to be a teacher. She got a job in one of the highest paying districts in the state and took extra classes to move up in salary as fast as possible. She never caught up in salary with her UPS driver husband even though she ended up teaching at a university. He drove for UPS until he retired, saved tens of thousands in school costs, and has a better retirement than hers.
BTW, she didn't complain about her pay, just knew that she didn't make as much as he did. He also had a somewhat strenuous job that was far more physically demanding, but hers was far more stressful.
I wasn't suggesting you got all those things either, I was just saying that those things aren't a given in the private sector either.
During the financial crisis on 08, my wife and everyone else at her plant (salary and hourly) took a voluntary 5% cut in pay, in addition to a suspension of their 401k match just so no layoffs would be necessary. They have since got it all back and more, but the point was, they decided to all give up a little so no one would have to lose it all.
The point is, life is full of choices. We all make the ones that we feel are best for our ourselves, our families and our communities. For some those decisions revolve around dollars, for others is staying by family, for other's is job fulfillment, and for others it might be any one of a hundred different things.
My teacher friends who are passionate about stuff a guy can do in the Summer would need to be offered way more than they make teaching to give it up.
It comes with some major lacks: retirement, health care, and salary, he teaches full time, coaches soccer in fall, track in the spring and is doing 80% of the athletic director role. He doesn't get $30K in total. He's planning to move to public schools after this year, will probably get a $10K raise
Not a bad idea!
You would have to raise beginning salaries quite a bit to attract the right kind of people to leave a career at a time when they should be hitting their best salary years. It would also be great if you could find a way to filter out the losers who are getting out of what they are doing to teach because they aren't cutting the mustard in the real world.
I am glad that I had a few years of experience before I got into the classroom.
A former student is a teacher in this school and all of her students got shoes.
When I graduated college, it was the first year there had ever been a surplus of ag teachers in the state of Missouri. I ended up sitting out for about 15 years before reentering in the middle of the year (yeah, the school was desperate so what?). Even though I look back and think I could have retired by now and told them to chunk all the paperwork that interferes with educating the children, there is no doubt in my mind at all that the time in "the real world" made me a better teacher.