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I have not watched an NFL game all season and probably never will again !! I hear yesterday a Raiders player sat for our national anthem but stood for Mexico's, they were playing in Mexico. I guess he doesn't realize there are black people in the military defending the flag and he is making millions of dollars living and playing in America. IMHO they should Lynch him.
I'm with you Pig Doc. Life is too short to worry about the politics of a few over-paid and under-educated entertainers.
It is amusing how the "boycotters" can't stop talking about it, though.
Matt
I'm not boycotting. I quit watching when the Bengals gave away the playoff game to the Steelers a few years ago. I have watched them religiously since I was a kid and I realized that day that they will never beat anyone if they can lose that game. The kneelers have however just solidified my decision.
NFL Owners probably should study the "Dixie Chicks" business model, then make the appropriate decisions.
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Slippery slope of what we Americans will tolerate, since removal of prayer from schools.
I personally will not be tolerant of the NFL and the bended knee.
Whaling used to provide a lot of jobs too! CTE will get them first
If I got free tickets to go see a NFL game I probably would go. Putting out my own money. Not a chance. It's far easier to watch on TV most of the time I don't watch at all. Never been into team sports.
Pig Doc,
During the NFL lockout several years ago, I recall one study that showed approximately 3700 jobs (both direct and indirect) per team, or 115,000 jobs league-wide, would be lost during the lockout. They estimated that each of the 32 NFL cities could lose up to $160 million in revenues.
I'm sure those numbers would be more staggering, today.
Matt
To me it’s not about disrespect. To me it’s about them playing a football game. A game I love. I would have gave away my left ___ to play in the nfl. Everywhere you look it’s politics. Why can’t a football game be about a football game instead of adding politics to it?
Yesterday was the first Sunday since September 1st I wasn’t hunting. I decided I needed a day away from hunting. I payed around and watched movies all day. Never once did I think of turning the tv on to watch a game. Never once did I think about kneeling players. It was a very relaxing day.
If an otherwise great restaurant has cockroaches in the salad and after months doesn't correct the problem, it's not the customer's fault if business drops off.
To me it’s not about disrespect. To me it’s about them playing a football game. A game I love. I would have gave away my left ___ to play in the nfl. Everywhere you look it’s politics. Why can’t a football game be about a football game instead of adding politics to it?
Yesterday was the first Sunday since September 1st I wasn’t hunting. I decided I needed a day away from hunting. I payed around and watched movies all day. Never once did I think of turning the tv on to watch a game. Never once did I think about kneeling players. It was a very relaxing day.
Pig Doc and Grey Ghost,
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Since you claim ( and it is believable ) many jobs associated with the NFL Games, then would not you also claim that the players kneeling had hurt those very same people, since the stadium attendance is down?
I would guess that the "Dixie Chicks" business model is definitely hurting those that work at the stadiums part time.
Tonyo,
The lowest stadium attendance in the league is Cincinnati, and they're still averaging over 54K per game. Dallas is 1st with over 92K per game. The Denver Broncos have sold out their home games for a record 390 games straight.
I think the concession workers are probably doing fine.
Matt
Yes, and it was very entertaining to hear Dallas got pummeled last night, 92K fans went home last night thinking about all the money they wasted going to that game. Hopefully some Eagle fans were there, probably not many.
Each to his own. I constantly hear "principles" being bandied about here on this site. I imagine entertainment reigns supreme and above in that regard, buttressed by and validating the argument to attend by way of the economic benefit that it may provide to others.
"It is amusing how the "boycotters" can't stop talking about it, though. Life is too short to worry about the politics of a few over-paid and under-educated entertainers". Amusing more so is that you happily contribute ludicrous sums to these over-paid and UNDER-EDUCATED entertainers who, well, as you yourself admit, entertain you.
The Rock
You Raider and Bengal fans have picked a good year to boycott them.
I can't imagine there a lot of empty seats at the Viking's game yesterday?
The Rock,
The only "ludicrous sum" I've paid to be entertained by football is my TV bill. I haven't attended a game in over a decade.
I keep hoping a bunch more of you "principled" folks would stop attending the games. Perhaps the prices would be more affordable, then, and I'd go more often. The reality is, this year's stadium attendance is nearly identical to last year, and it's above that of 2015. Where are all these unprincipled bastards coming from?
The Matt
Ugh, Grey Ghost, tickets may have been sold, but people are not showing up to buy beer and hot dogs. ( tickets were sold probably before the kneeling began this season )
You cannot claim that the "ban the NFL'ers" hurt concession workers, but those who kneel do not. People are staying away in droves. Your point just does not make sense.
You know that’s not true or anywhere near true. It’s based on distributed tickets not actual attendance. The league does not report actual turnstile attendance. If you look at the 49ers game they report 70k attendance but the stadium is actually less than half full. That’s because almost all tickets are sold before the season. The effect of the boycott will not be known until next season when season ticket sales and single games ticket sales are reported. A hint at what real season attendance comes from resellers who show ticket resale tickets are down 20% for the year.
"You cannot claim that the "ban the NFL'ers" hurt concession workers, but those who kneel do not."
Nor did I claim that. What I did claim is the boycotters haven't affected stadium attendance, and I provided evidence to support that claim. Hell, my Broncos are an awful team this year, yet they still fill their stadium. Their last Monday Night Football game had a total of 1400 no-shows in a stadium that holds nearly 80K.
What evidence do you have to support "people are staying away in droves?" Some facebook pic of an empty stadium, that was taken 2 hrs before kickoff?
Matt
Principled people? If I remember correctly Donald Trump brought forth "principles" to the forefront or should I say the lack of, during his campaign and nomination by those who recoiled here against him as if their houses did not have closets. BTW...I never alluded to in my post that principles was the driving force behind my position as far as the NFL is concerned. The NFL wore me down long ago when on field celebration's that would rival the Mardi Gras when making a simple tackle or simple play became the norm. These recreational, less than desirable performers of sensation (as you admitted) that tickle your sensibilities and your pocket are your choice, and no one can challenge that personal decision. On the other hand others may have a different view and the bar they set, as you have for yourself, should enjoy the same luxury to express.
"If I remember correctly Donald Trump brought forth "principles" to the forefront or should I say the lack of...."
Yes, I agree Trump has showed a lack of principles most of his life, but I thought we were talking about NFL football.
The Matt
As mentioned the majority of the tickets were sold before the season and the player BS started ,resale is very weak. Given the cost of the tickets I doubt most people will flush them. An example is season tickets for the Seahawks have a face value of $500. Each so holders are going to the games. In the weaker markets they are more likely to stay home. Where you are seeing the decline is on TV and streaming. The owners and the advertisers are very concerned. If you think this isn’t a real problem you are not paying attention. Budweiser isn’t doing a national survey without publicizing it for no reason. They are one of the most advanced marketing companies in the world.
NFL has had their image tarnished and this has effected their attendance and viewer ratings. So much so they're having to give away free tickets, drinks, and food so people will post on the bowsite saying their attendance and ratings are doing just fine.
"Sold out' in no way means all the seats were filled.
Lots of season ticket holders can mean 'sold out,' but if thousands of them stay home, those parking lot folks, the concession folks, et. al., pay the price.
Thumper, Dead Bang right there. ;-) Let me see here..OK....GG, You could only hope and dream to have lived the "unprincipled " life of that of a Donald Trump. Envy burns deep from the bottom up. Now Matt would have to weigh in on that one all on his own. ;-)
The Rock
Got that right!! I am generally against the highly paid athletes crying like babies especially when they ask the general public to finance thier stadiums.
Is it possible, is it probable that the Queens will have a least 1 playoff game at home field even a (gulp) chance a the Super Bowl in their own stadium. It would be just like the Vikes to make it, then get blasted with one more loss in the quest for the ring. Just like the time they broke all of our MN hearts in the old days. Saw Tarkenton on a news cast in MN last week, he is looking old. Probably from all those years of big defensive backs chasing him around...
I don't like the politics of athletes.... musicians and movie stars.... they should all leave out the politics and just do what people are paying them to do..... entertain....... That being said I have struggled with my decision to watch or not watch the NFL over the actions of a few dumb asses....... and I have to admit that I sat in a bar in a mall yesterday and had a few beers and watched the Lions while my wife and daughter shopped.... If your Vikings win on Thursday Pig Doc they will most likely take the division with a 3 game lead.... And I guarantee there won't be any empty seats in Ford Field......
Was never a big football fan , but as of last year I will never watch a game or permit a game to be Viewed in any Household of mine . National felon league
I refuse to wear any of my 22 Tom Brady jerseys ever again!
(kidding- i'm not a jersey kind of guy)
Its funny how the NFL is trying to counteract the actions by the players lately with all of the military oriented stuff.
Pigdoc, what difference does it make who's teat your suckling...:)
"The NFL has been doing a military theme for the past several years around the time of Veteran's Day."...........And paid for by the military, the NFL charges for that "military theme."
I've always thought it to be a fool's errand to quit something based on something else such as not using a product that sponsored a wrong doer. Only hurts you more in the end.
Of course, free market, my choice, blah blah blah...
Long drive for a football game wasn't it Pig doc? As I recall you are up on my fishing lake! Who won? Don't have TV or a newspaper.
Pig Doc and any other fellow Minnesotans here are some pics of one of our cranes in the stadium. It was a blast going down there in March to put it together. Then back in September to take it apart. I actually drove my truck in there when we took it apart. Can not find them pics for some reason.
It took us 4.5 days to get it out together and boom in the air. I love that crane but it’s a lot of work.
City officials were complaining we had to many trucks outside the stadium clogging up traffic.
With max counterweight, 280’ of main boom and 160’ of luffer it’s 45 truck loads if I remember right.
The stands look packed in Seattle tonight...... All the coaches on the sidelines have been wearing military colors all season long.... I'm guessing the NFL is trying to align itself with the military as best it can... to do damage control for the jackwagons taking a knee.... They should follow the lead of college ball and tell the players to stand or get suspended.....
There was so many booms in the air they had to schedule air space for them. Most of the cranes there were below the tower cranes so it wasn’t much of an issue. However ours and 2 others stuck up above them.
The last pick is Sarens Demag CC 6800. It’s the crane they used to lift all the main trusts up.
Michael..... so you worked on the new stadium but you don't want to watch the Vikings ?? Don't look now but they have a 2 game lead in the division....
Don’t tell my dad Chris but I have never been a Vikings fan. Lol
Honestly I have had an extremely filled fall with all the hunting I have done. I probably will watch the games on Thursday with my dad but then it’s back to hunting on Friday.
Please please don't tell me you grew up as a Packers fan..... ha !!! They suck without Aaron Rogers..... My Lions only chance is to beat the Vikings on Thursday.....
Don’t hate on me too bad but I have always been a Dallas fan. Ever since I was 11 years old. I get enough hate from my dad on that. Haha
I can live with that...... I cringe when I'm in the west end of Michigan's U.P. and see the bars decorated in Packer swag..... even though I know they are closer to Green Bay than they are to Detroit........
Reminds me of big blue.
Love the pictures, thanks...
I always found it funny how fans in the NFC north hate on the Packers but not the other teams in the division. My dad and uncles are the same way. The Lions etc don’t get hated on like the Packers do.
Gflight have you seen the video of when Big Blue went over? I cringe every time I see that video thinking of the guys in the manbasket getting wiped out hanging from that 4100.
When I went to crane school that was the first video they showed us.
Pretty much memorized it, Army crane operators saw it from 1999 until at least 2005 if not longer...
GreyGhost, you changed the subject, but I will oblige you; here is your link to sinking attendance; http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/11/19/weak-11-fans-finding-things-empty-seats-fill-stadiums-everywhere/
Back to the conversation, it was stated that "Boycotters" are hurting the rank and file part time service industry at the stadiums. I say so does the NFL Players who kneel.
You cannot claim that the boycotters hurt employees, but not the players who kneel. Again, your and Pig Docs argument just does not make sense.
You would say it was the fire that burned down the house. I would say that it was the kid playing with matches that burned down the house.
In case this went over your head, the NFL Players taking a knee, are the kids playing with matches.
It really is that simple.
A lot of the fuss about this whole thing is that people feel that when those overpaid crybabies take a knee during the anthem.... they are disrespecting the military........... But if you look at every NFL game..... There is always a military presence.... be it in the form of military personnel singing the anthem.... hanging out on the sidelines..... flyovers during the anthem.... heck they did the pregame from Norfolk Naval Base during Veterans Day Weekend..... and had hundreds and hundreds of active duty Navy personnel involved in the show....... So I ask...... Why isn't the military boycotting the NFL ?? I mean.... aren't they the ones you are boycotting to defend their honor ??
Michael..... The Packers get hated on because they always win..... The Lions have never come close to winning a Super Bowl....... Green Bay has had the luxury of Brett Favre and Aaron Rogers for a long long time..... They look like a mere mortal team without Rogers....
The NFL knows neither pride nor honor because is predicated upon dollars and all else be damned. Ask any Marine about the former when they will kneel only over their fallen.
The Rock
Hey, I grew up playing football and still love the game but there is no way in hell can I sit and watch the thugs in the NFL play it and I never will again. It's not football people hate, it's todays players and how they act !! How long before the Black Panthers partner with them ? Or have they ?
"The NFL knows neither pride nor honor because is predicated upon dollars and all else be damned."
Really? What do you call the $430 million they've contributed to charities and youth programs since 1973?
And that doesn't include the dozens of charities that individual players have established. See my link for a partial list, if you care for a honest discussion.
Matt
The players who have been taking a knee aren't doing it to insult the military.... Their cause is aimed at Police Officers and the relations between the Police and the black community..... Being a Police Officer.... I could really give a crap about the misguided political opinion of some overpaid whiney athelete..... But I don't have to like all the opinions of all the players to like the game..... If I choose to turn the channel during an NFL game then fine.... or if I choose to ignore the antics of a few and watch the game that's fine too... Believe me.... after 24 years on the job... you either learn to ignore the negativity towards the Police or you change careers....
Great game last night between the Falcons and Seahawks. Falcons took it 34-31. Some games I'm in awe at how well the pro guys can play. Last night was one of those games.
I guarantee you that there won't be any empty seats in Ford Field on Thursday........
"I guarantee you that there won't be any empty seats in Ford Field on Thursday........"
Yep. Interesting how winning football tends to erase "principles" for some, eh?
Matt
My luck is if I don't watch, the Lions will win the Super Bowl..... Ha !!!!
You have to have principles to begin with . . . .
I had a principle once who whacked me with a paddle for throwing a snowball....... or was that a principal........ hmmm
After the Lions game on Thursday..... Ford Field hosts the State Championship games for Michigan High School Football.... 8 games in 2 days Friday and Saturday.... It's only $10 bucks to get in and you can sit anywhere you want... In 2015 I saw Donnie Corley catch a 50 yard Hail Mary bomb in the last seconds of the game to win the State Championship for his school.... last year he was a freshman phenom at Michigan State.... this year he and 2 other MSU stars were kicked off the team and kicked out of school after they were charged with rape at a campus frat house party...... Those dumb ass kids had multi million dollar careers only a few years ahead of them..... As football stars at a major university they could have probably dated any number of girls...... And they decided to RAPE a young lady..... unreal.
Pig Doc... lol...the guys name who took the knee was Lynch. A little play on words but it sailed right over your head. lol
Yea, Ford Field will be packed alright, packed with a bunch of candy azz liberals !!
Will those candy ass liberals include the military personnel that will be there jdee ??
If you protest ,disrespect and for all intents and purposes dishonor the American Flag and what it stands for, how can you expect to enjoy the freedoms, without consequences, that it provides? How can anyone defend or be party to by association, no matter how trivial or connected, and contribute no less to those who would embark upon such a disparagement to the Flag to which our forefathers and relatives have died protecting? .....that our Flag was still there? B.S. to some but not to me.
The Rock
Rock.... Answer this.... How can the Military still maintain a working relationship with the NFL and continue to have active duty and reserve personnel attending the games in uniform ???
So, what does kneeling for the anthem have to do with the interaction of law enforcement? I guess I'm too dumb to see the connection...
Apparently, the message was not communicated as intended.
Wall Street's NFL worries mount as viewership slides with tough weeks ahead.
The National Football League's weak viewership has Wall Street on edge, and the numbers don't look any better for Week 10.
Viewership fell 18 percent year over year in Week 10, which ended Monday, with lower ratings in all six game-time windows. JPMorgan analyst Alexia Quandrani noted that the slip in Week 10 puts the NFL's season-to-date audience decline at roughly 7 percent.
While that compares well with the NFL's 12 percent audience decline at this point in 2016, much of last year's showing was written off as a one-time effect from the presidential election. That may translate into some tough year over year comparisons for the NFL in the weeks ahead.
"Ratings are down in 8 of 10 weeks this season," wrote Quandrani. "We note that ratings picked up in 2016 starting in Week 10, which was the first post-Election Day slate of games. Total audiences were down only 3 percent post-election versus -12 percent through Week 9."
There is more at the article from CNBC if one cares to read it. there are similar articles among some of the MSM sites and that was just a search for the past week in the news.
I know I don't care to watch the games much anymore. Some here have postulated that if you aren't watching, you were really never a fan. I disagree with that. I quit watching because it has morphed from a stupid protest about police brutality from a marginal player who thinks cops are pigs and Castro was the second coming of Christ, to quite simply flipping the bird at America. If I am playing in a country as magnificent as this one is, making millions doing what I love, I can stand for an anthem. You get these phvk sticks like Lynch who dont even have the courtesy to kneel, but sit for our anthem, and then stand for the countries flag who has a helluva lot more to answer for inre civil rights than we do? You think that POS is going to move to Mexico and make that a better place, or stay here and reap the fruits of a nation that pays a stupid amounts of money?
It isn't about Police Brutality anymore. It's not about the 1st. It's about a power play by a culture that is holding a "game" hostage so fans of it can be entertained. Thats it.
This isn't JUST a protest against police brutality, and by using that logic why have these candy ass thugs taken A knee when the American Flag is faced and honored? The Flag is first & FOREMOST associated with Veterans, not police. If they turned their backs on a police honor guard, you'd have a point. They are against the flag, Men & Women who have fought and died to protect it, AND COPS, and any of us who give a shit about the country. Pig Doc . Your VV friend has earned his right to speak his mind for sure, and I too have met a few vets of different wars that think like that. However, the vast majority that I know are disgusted by this. In fact, the guest speaker, two tours in The 'Nam, at our Local Veterans Day ceremony addressed The NFL losers. The applause was overwhelming. So, just because you can find a few vets that it doesn't matter to doesn't make it ok with the vast majority of those who serve and have served. As I've said before, I'm a third generation Giants Fan And if The Maras, Rooney's, and Krafts laid down the law, I would not hold it against the entire NFL, just asswipe goodell, the kneelers, and other gutless coaches and owners. When those supposedly Old Gaurd, classy owners shit their pants, I was done. I played 10 years of football, including 2 Semi-Pro. You're not going to find a man who loves football as much as I, but I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND OUR FLAG MORE. Mad Dog
I see no one responded to my link that showed all the good that the NFL and it's players do for charities and local youth programs. That's telling.
Last week there was a TOTAL of 6 players who protested by kneeling, or not showing up for the anthem. Meanwhile, the charitable community programs that far more players sponsor and contribute to still exist.
Matt
Mad Dog..... I'm a Veteran and a cop..... I can be disgusted by the actions of the ass hats who are kneeling without holding those that are not kneeling accountable for it....
Pig,
Its about this country and if ANYTHING is worth being "holier than thou" for it is this country who sacrificed blood of their young. Everybody has as a story about someone to back up their defense whichever side your on, and there it is right there. There should be ONE and only ONE side concerning which burns in your heart, not your pockets. I am blessed a thousand times over in every regard and will complain about this government as well as the next person. That blood drenched flag is sacred property and those who disrespect it in any way, ANY WAY, including the mighty "heroes"|of the gridiron who make chills of happiness and excitement run up the spines of many, as the flag itself should, should indeed pay the steep price of disassociation in the least. That is my take and my belief and if it be holy that is my business. You can worship whoever you may choose. I don't take prisoners when God and Country are at issue.
The Rock
The Rock,
Care to respond to my last post? If not, I understand.
The Matt
Pig the 1st Amedmen is very important but the players are employees at work and I dont think anyone here can do or say what the want because of the rules of their employers . They want to do that crap do it on their own time not when they are on the clock .
Exactly... Tell them to stand for the anthem or suspend them if they don't......
Let them kneel. Their protest doesn't change anything. Never has never will.
The first amendment goes both ways. Players have the right to take a knee and the fans have the right to stay home or turn the channel.
This is a protest because the police do not give street gangs their proper respect. UFB
Thanks thumper. A good smack in the face for those here that think it JUST AN Isolated ANNOYANCE to their Sunday and they'll keep watching the bums. The whole kneeling crap is an attack on our Country , military, police and culture. When I see guys like Drew Brees & Big Ben, The Maras, Rooneys, caving and you guys that keep watching, I see an apathy, an acceptance of an insurgency in our midst. Frogs ever so slowly boiled. Mad Dog
Matt, I applaud anyone and applaud loudly for those who contribute to society. I applaud that much louder and with much more respect when those who contribute give when there is little to give. Everything is relative and taking diamonds and giving back gold is minor in comparison. Charity does not wash clean. Criminals throughout history have been known to be some of the most charitable people on earth. Their just fate awaited them in a pool of blood. You see six people kneeling, inconsequential in numbers, but it is what you can't see from those NOW erect through pressure and their burning hatred for America that is the serious problem. This NFL issue is a microcosm mirrored by every American urban city where the ghetto is a way of life by political design. The numbers are staggering if the truth be told of those who would celebrate America's demise and agony. Farm fields and rural roots do not have a clue of social rumblings in the urban cities of America. How can they? These protest are borne from a seething anger against our country and our flag of times long past. The blind who get caught sleeping will be caught sleeping forever if this rage continues to fester unabated. Who pays mind, has the foresight or heeds warnings with a loaf under each arm? The famished who have nothing, patriotism low on the list obviously in conjunction with their wealthy athletic brothers, who have everything and nothing to lose at the same time. There is a problem in this country and excessive non stop recreation and entertainment are at the top of the list displacing family first concerns that brought us here. Traitors, deserters and spy's are now accepted in this country. You are correct. Why worry about just another few who disgrace the flag without repercussions?
The Rock
""Which 'protest' you taking about, sleepy? Not like there's just 'one'......""
."" Why worry about just another few who disgrace the flag without repercussions? ""
It's a bitter pill to accept. The players will continue their BS. In the end, it will change nothing. I will still support the American way of life, I will respect the Flag and Anthem, I will continue to support the Police.
I am not trying to change the NFL. They can do whatever they want. I don't get that much enjoyment of watching the game as I did when I was younger. Part of that is because the NFL dealt my area a shitty hand while lying to fans here, another part is that they get paid to act patriotic and the third part is that I don't need or want politics to be included in what is supposed to be entertainment. The NFL doesn't care about me and I return the sentiment...
Big Bear are you watching the game?
Yes.... packed house.... everyone appeared to me to be standing for the anthem.....
Yes I agree. So far a great traditional thanksgiving day game between division rivals and a very important game on top of it.
I might have to be a Vikings fan today. Haha
The Vikings are looking like they want to put a 3 game lead stronghold on the division with 5 games left.....
A good game is one people enjoy. If the protest kneeling, and the NFL's handling of it, keeps them from enjoying the game, they aren't missing anything they would enjoy.
Yeah they are Pig Doc! What a great game. Chris the Vikings have looked good. Stanford is a good quarterback. He has the capabilities to lead his team. Always has.
I'm not giving up hope..... Stafford has a way of coming from behind....... go Lions !!
That one had to hurt Chris. You have to admit that was executed perfectly.
The stadium is only about 10 miles from my house... but I have a good seat in my living room in front of my 60"...... My wife is at work and daughter is at grandmas...... now I can yell at the TV all I want..... :-)
Haha Chris I think I can hear you all the way over here in west central Mn!
Oh my God the Lions think it's a flag football game..... they can't tackle anyone..... That opening drive in the second half looked like the Vikings are playing a high school team....
Everyone to their own but I will not honor or give my patronage or money to anyone that dishonors this flag, this country or our constitution. I am not boycotting but I have every right as a free citizen of the greatest nation on earth and as a citizen of Heaven to exercise personally to not watch or help in any way those that disrespect what our patriots and heros have sacrificed for this country and for the people of the world. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it. Until the NFL and NBA take a stand against it I am totally done with them. God bless, Steve
I'm not boycotting and still missing it...
I new this game was going to turn into a nail biter. Wow what a great game.
Win or lose that's what Stafford does..... come back wins..... he's got heart...... the Lions need a big defensive play.....
Ugh.... well at least it looks like someone other than Green Bay will win the division........ good game !!
Great game. Too bad Chris you, Pig Doc and myself were not sitting in a fish house on a lake watching the game and catching fish.
Nice Pig Doc. I was wondering how much ice was up there. My dad said the lake him and my mom live on froze over two nights ago. Long lake just north of Fergus Falls.
I am a Mn boy and haven’t fished either one of them lakes. Such a shame considering how good they are. Lol
Have you guys ever gone over to Devils Lake for big perch ??? It's on my bucket list.... I love big perch ..... but the biggest I've ever gotten in Michigan are 12-13".......
I have never fished Devils Lake either. I don’t hear much about the perch in Devils Lake any more. It’s a very good walleye lake though.
We used to catch a lot of perch out of Ottertail lake in Mn. The biggest I ever caught was a 15”. Back in 97 I fished Ottertail on Thanksgiving. Walked out on 4” of ice. Took home a limit of walleyes and a limit of perch. Back then it was 100 for perch. I hated every minute of cleaning all them perch as well. Haha
I keep getting the urge to book a few days with the Perch Patrol guide service..... someday....
