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HA/KS 21-Nov-17
Woods Walker 21-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 21-Nov-17
Mad dog 21-Nov-17
Hackbow 22-Nov-17
Bentstick81 22-Nov-17
Bowfreak 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
Hackbow 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
Hackbow 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
Hackbow 22-Nov-17
K Cummings 22-Nov-17
Joey Ward 22-Nov-17
Hackbow 22-Nov-17
jdee 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
K Cummings 22-Nov-17
Hackbow 22-Nov-17
Bowfreak 22-Nov-17
Brotsky 22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR 22-Nov-17
K Cummings 22-Nov-17
Hackbow 22-Nov-17
From: HA/KS
21-Nov-17

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"A 74-year-old basketball fan was booted from a community college booster club after he confronted an athlete who was shooting hoops during the national anthem."

"While the rest of the team was inside the locker room, a player - Rasool Samir - came onto the court and began shooting hoops during the national anthem."

From: Woods Walker
21-Nov-17
It's too bad that player didn't become the first basketball player to start a game with a basketball lodged in his lower GI tract.

From: BIG BEAR
21-Nov-17
That's it...... boycott all college basketball games...... good for him !!!

From: Mad dog
21-Nov-17
Great way to treat a man who supported the school for many years. I'd be right next to gramps. Mad Dog

From: Hackbow
22-Nov-17
BIG BEAR - it seems as if you believe that programed and encouraged disrespectful behavior toward our country's symbols and ideals are not a big enough deal to warrant a reaction of displeasure. How do you feel about people disrespecting LEO's?

Let's say I own a restaurant. You and several of your fellow officers come in to eat one day. I have an entire staff of, oh let's say 53 people. Before your meal you are being greeted by my hostess. She is rude and calls you all 'pigs'. BUT, she then goes on to seat you at your table. Everyone else is nice and even smiles at you. I witness this behavior and do nothing. In fact when you bring it up to me, I defend her by saying she has the RIGHT to say what she wants and she still did her job.

You expect anyone to believe that you and the other 'pigs' are going to sit there and eat, let alone EVER go back again?

Enjoy your sports.

From: Bentstick81
22-Nov-17
After the National Anthem was over, I wolud've left the game, with the 74 year old. I would have also offered to buy him supper. I can't believe how some of these athletes, ( CAN"T READ OR WRITE), have shown the disrespect, towards this Great Nation, and some a$$ wipes, think that there is nothing wrong with the athletes, doing so. I hope PRO baseball, NFL, and the NBA, all go broke, and go belly up. I like to watch college football, but if a player kneels during the National Anthem, i will never watch that team again. When i feel that too many teams, in college, that are kneeling, i will boycott college, also.

From: Bowfreak
22-Nov-17
If I was the coach I would give him the opportunity for a public apology or to lose his spot on the team. If I was the AD of that college I would give the coach the option to see this through or find another job.

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
The players don't have the right to express their political views on the job.... nor does your waitress....... It is the employers fault for allowing it to happen.... College kids would be doing the same thing if they were allowed to....... High school students would follow suit if they were allowed to...... So this happened in College basketball...... do you boycott that too Hackbow ??

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
In College football.... 5 New Mexico players took a knee during the anthem against Air Force....... So you guys all had better not be watching College football either....If you are going to be true to your boycott..... It is happening in high school football and I even saw a team of 8 year olds in Illinois that took a knee during the anthem before their football game..... So what do you do ?? Boycott everything ?? How about ignore it...... This too shall pass....

From: Hackbow
22-Nov-17
"... do you boycott that too Hackbow ??"

Not sure if I am boycotting anything. I am choosing not to spend my time watching paid performers do something outside of what they're paid to do. And I agree with your position on the owners responsibility to deal with it. Since the NFL owners have given these disrespectful behaviors their blessing, I'm choosing not to eat in their restaurant. If I see it being done at the collegiate, hs or pee wee level with the implicit endorsement of those in charge then I would respond the same.

Are you going to come back to my restaurant if I don't fire or at least reprimand my hostess?

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
Hackbow...... If your restaurant is a Cracker Barrel........ Should I boycott Cracker Barrel's all across the country ?? Should I hold them all accountable for the actions of your waitress and her employer (you)......???

From: Hackbow
22-Nov-17
If local Cracker Barrel franchise owner or GM didn't appropriately address the issue and I took my concerns to Cracker Barrel Corp HQ (NFL & Roger Goodell) and they supported the hostesses's 'right' to call you a pig, I personally would not patronize any of their locations again.

How about you?

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
I can see your point but what did it accomplish other than you don't get to eat Cracker Barrel any more.....

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
And now..... because everyone is making such a fuss over it.... a waitress from Applebee's,,, Ruby Tuesday and the Red Lobster has done the same thing..... so I boycott them too..... and guess what.... waitresses from Logans Steakhouse have done the same thing..... sheesh.... I can't go anywhere !!!

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
Or I could ignore when someone calls me a pig like I've done for 24 years....... tough choice... Maybe we can just get a different waitress.....

From: Hackbow
22-Nov-17
Voting with my dollars my friend.

And I value my personal time too much to willingly place it in the hands of those who piss all over the very ideals that give them the right to be idiots.

So, even if I really liked Cracker Barrel, I would never return if they didn't fire the hostess.

As an example, I really like Starbucks coffee, but I don't patronize them due to their liberal marketing campaigns and the political stances they have taken over the years. I don't protest them, I just choose not to patronize them.

From: K Cummings
22-Nov-17
Reports vary in regard to what happened but this is the way I personally see it.

Should the student have done what he did? No.

If the student broke any team/college rules, should he be reprimanded? Yes

Should the booster who confronted him have done what he did? No.

If, as some reports say, the booster attempted to get physical with the player in any way, should he be removed from the gym and the booster club? Yes

KPC

From: Joey Ward
22-Nov-17
I refuse to eat at the Cracker Barrel because of the racist reference. I hear they are considering changing the name to the Caucasian Barrel.

I just hope the food stays the same.

From: Hackbow
22-Nov-17
Joey, I will say that Uncle Herschel's Favorite happens to be mine as well. : )

From: jdee
22-Nov-17
Big Bear are you a cop ? In about 1988 my brother called a cop a pig as we were leaving a bar and that cop had him on his butt cuffed and stuffed in about 2 seconds and guess what that was the last time he ever called a cop a pig. My brother was charged with disorderly conduct over it. All you guys that side with that Muslim kid in Kansas are part of the problem we have today. Pretty soon the Nation Anthem will be banned from public just like the California NAACP is wanting it to be.

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
Yes.... I've been a Police Officer in a suburb that borders Detroit for 24 years. I was in the U.S. Navy for 7 years before that..... Things are a lot different than they were in 1988...... A Police Officer today would probably lose his job for arresting someone just for calling him a pig......

From: K Cummings
22-Nov-17
In my opinion, people are confusing the issues here.

In the example of the waitress calling a cop a pig, yes she has that right, and the employer has the right to fire her on the spot. If she is breaking any law, the cop has the right, and responsibility, to deal with that.

However, another patron does NOT have the right to walk up to the waitress, and attempt to get physical with her in any way shape or form.

KPC

From: Hackbow
22-Nov-17
I agree with you on that point KPC. The patron's only right is to express himself verbally or walk out. Which is why I don't understand the backlash against those who choose to express their displeasure with the disrespectful kneeling.

If I, and apparently millions of others, choose to not spend our time indulging the petulant grievances of athletically gifted idiots, why is that seen as an unreasonable response?

Due to NFL owners and mgmnt's support of anti-American behavior, the dishes being served at the Football Diner are no longer palatable for many.

From: Bowfreak
22-Nov-17
A college football player is not an employee. But either way....the person providing your education or your income can and does lay down ground rules as to what is appropriate behavior. My employer has plenty of rules like this as does everyone else who has ever had a job. If I want to work here, I follow their rules. End of story...period.

Actions have consequences in the real world still.

From: Brotsky
22-Nov-17
"A college football player is not an employee."

Only in the SEC. Ha!

From: BIG BEAR
22-Nov-17
Hackbow... I'm not giving you any backlash at all for not watching the NFL..... I totally understand and accept your point of view and your decision.....

From: K Cummings
22-Nov-17
"Actions have consequences in the real world still."

Exactly.

In this case, for both parties involved. Player or booster, there is acceptable behavior and there is unacceptable behavior. If the reports are accurate, both engaged in the latter. One of them might even have been unlawful.

KPC

From: Hackbow
22-Nov-17
Sorry BB, this thread has been taken multiple directions and I'm the worst offender. The question posed in my previous post wasn't directed at you either. It is mostly rhetorical and aimed at those who see giving up watching others play games as a loss.

I used to love the game as much as anyone. But given the players (at any level) believe they have the right to steal my time for their purposes, I've decided I would rather do something else. The downward trends in attendance and tv viewing suggest I have company.

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