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North Korea launches ICBM
It's being reported that the missile North Korea launched towards Japan was indeed an ICBM. I see only one of three responses we could possibly have. In no order.
1. A well orchestrated tactical cruise missile strike killing the fat gargoyle himself and taking out his command and control. May have to be designed with China. Contacts would have to be in place to settle control. I see this as the least likely to succeed but it's on the table. 2. A tactical nuclear strike 3. A needle to the back of the gargoyle's neck and control immediately assumed by those in place. This absolutely would have to be done with the aid of China. Doubtful we're as deep in there as they are.
I see no other alternatives. That idiot can not be allowed to become a nuclear power. It doesn't serve anyone, and threatens everyone if we do nothing. Other alternatives I may be overlooking?
Kim jerk off will not stop this behavior. He has to be stopped.
We could Fedx a package over night
Rodman could visit with a suicide vest and go out a hero!
Those would be some scary dudes chasing your ass.
I don’t see Donald kicking the can down the road...
Trax, as soon a NK realizes it’s been attacked it would launch nukes to South K killing hundreds of thousands and possibly millions. All so trump could do an end zone dance? Or don’t you care because they aren’t American anyway. There is no military solution that exists without killing thousands of innocent people.
atheist. Your new fan club doesn't impress me, at all. You are a FRAUD.
We lost 33,652 plus lives the Last time we were at war in Korea . I don't want to lose any more but he needs to be taken out with some type of strike from someone.
'theist just what IS your answer to NK and the nukes ?? ... come on now, do you want to coddle him, let him build up a arsenal and do nothing ?.... what is YOUR answer >>>
Who says the USA will stop him. You may soon be surprised Atheist. There's plenty of countries that could handle NK. If NK bombs Wake island Trump will act.
The politically correct answer is to wait until nk nukes japan. Then nukes sk. Then our senators and representatives will get together after the holiday, consider their election ramifications and vote for or against a controlled strike run by UN officials using our planes and weapons.
Unless pres trump is still in office.
There are no solutions to NK, only options. And choosing the correct option is the name of the game. it is insane to think North Korea will ever completely and irreversibly denuclearize. But we can get Kim to back off quite a bit and ratchet down the threat in the next few years before he can actually reach the U.S. mainland with an effective missile.
The United States has over 60 years of evidence that deterrence works, but instead of deterrence and containment that actually worked for Soviet Russia, and China under Mao Tse-Tung, we’ve somehow abandoned logic and reason for old fashioned sabre-rattling…except this time with nukes and twitter.
China has long been North Korea’s chief supplier, supplying the country with oil and other resources they so badly need. Put pressure on China to shut down any and all trade w NK. The incentive? we will reduce trade w China until they agree. China needs our commerce. Is Trump prepared to exert this much pressure on China? Would he sacrifice some of the US relationship with China in order to deliver real results in North Korea? We'll see, I guess
Launch a cyber war. Infect their primitive computer systems with viruses that will essentially disable their tech infrastructure. We may very well already be doing this with the evidence being their last few failed missile launches that were duds.
Launch a CIA/covert operation to take out Kim and his family. It must be one felled swoop and it must include neutralizing his military leaders so they don't launch an all out attack as a knee jerk reaction to the coup. Sounds very Jason Bourne like, but those are the options as I see them.
NK sent up the missile one hour after the Chinese Envoy left after negotiations. Something is amiss and if China is playing above board there will be news coming forth shortly. The next would be a complete blockade of NK with or without China's blessing which would force chubby to make a decision and show China the talking days are over. the again China could publicly denounce the blockade, being behind in closed doors.
The last move would be sunglasses.....
Do like a democrat and atheist, would do. Draw another line in the sand, and threaten him not to cross, if there is any room to draw a line, since we had eight years of moron obama drawing lines.
What Huntcell said X 20!
That would be the ultimate two-fer!
" But we can get Kim to back off quite a bit and ratchet down the threat in the next few years before he can actually reach the U.S. mainland with an effective missile."
They already have a missile that will reach any place in the USA. They also have 20 nuclear bombs. Their main problem right now is designing a heat shield for the missile that will allow reentry without destroying the missile. According to experts they will have that solved in less than a year.
Atheist - NOKO already has thousands of missiles pointed at SOKO. Don't need us to trigger that crazy fat kid to push the button...
"Trax, as soon a NK realizes it’s been attacked it would launch nukes to South K killing hundreds of thousands and possibly millions."
Hitler marched troops into the Rhineland in March of '36. October of '38 he annexed the Sudetenland. The appeaser and bootlickers had the same mind set you do. By 1945 approximately 50-55 million lay dead, because no one stood up an said enough.
Nuke the little bastard as well as Mecca. May as well clean the whole house and not just one room. Make it like the Baptism scene in Godfather 1.
Athiest, That is the reason we can not attack North Korea conventionally. South Korea would pay too high a cost. With the capability of our own tactical nuclear strike , he and his command and control, and his own missiles (whatever he truly has) would be incinerated. We have the capability to strike him leaving them without a response.
The other two scenarios kill him before he knows anything. Agents of the USA and China are in place to take it from there to a peaceful transition. We of course would need China's aid with at least one of the two remaining responses. Why would they help us? Because the fat and dumb turd is no longer controllable. With our approvable they replace him with the new regime. The whole area becomes stable over night.
Hard to believe he's still alive. You gotta think a random gunshot from two miles away is coming
athiests plan is to let NOKO give a warhead to a terror group so it will end up detonated in the US.
...and then of course blame it on Trump.
I have thought it very possible that NK has already planted bombs in the USA or its ports with people there to set them off if something goes down. It would explain why we have not already taken him out. I would imagine by his actions that exalted leader is either crazy or crazy like a fox and already has his bases covered. You do not spit in the eye of the tiger without having already persuaded the tiger that he is going to die if he fights back. It looks to me like we might already be in the hostage position. I know that millions of people in S K are hostages and about 200,000 of them Americans. But still a couple of cities in the continental USA would seal the deal. Truth is, none of us truly know what we are facing here. But, I know who has the answers and I know who holds my hand/ God bless, Steve
I think an intermediate step would be to start shooting down each missile, and immediately bombing each launch pad after it leaves. Or even better, we probably know when its just about to launch so if we blew it up in place before it ever left the ground it would REALLY send a message.
That said, if we drop a bomb or shoot a missile it will look to the world as if we are the ones striking first militarily and opening up the door for Li'Kim to launch a major attack against SK or Japan. Which may be the reason neither side takes that next BIG BIG step. Both Lil'Kim and Trump are daring each other to make the first true military move to unleash in good conscience the massive counter attack both sides has planned.
I've said it before - if we don't have the ability to sabotage their launch, hack their guidance or otherwise stop them with technology, I want a refund on my defense spending taxes.
Like has been said Bow, any attack on NK will insure that the fat stinking gargoyle is dead before he ever is aware of anything amiss. I detailed how. At the same time their communications and command will be anhialated or mitigated in its use. We also between ourselves and China already have agents in place to usher in transition. If we can not kill him immediately we don't strike. I like the needle to the back of the neck approach best. But a tactical nuclear strike is on the table. Their technology is Stone Age compared to ours.
This may be a naive question but: Is the only way we know if the Missiles he launches are armed is if they go "splat" instead of "boom", when they land?
Seems like this whole thing is going to get pretty interesting with the Winter Olympics just a few months away in Pyeongchang.
Little Rocket Man says his next launch will be to explode a nuclear bomb over the ocean.
He must be taken out. One way or another.
"Little Rocket Man says his next launch will be to explode a nuclear bomb over the ocean."
That would be a gross violation of everything global. It would be open season at that point...
Short of Kim doing something actually damaging (other than testing and verbal threats) I don't think we can really assassinate a president or nuke his country. Not without a UN mandate for cover. Or without becoming the global bully and pariah we are often painted to be.
And I think Kim knows it. That is why he balked at launching missiles near Guam. He know we are looking for a legit reason, and he is walking a fine line thus far.
The next step has to be global 100% boycott, or shooting down a missile outside of his territory. Force Kim to lash out with enough force as to allow a truly crushing regime ending response.
We certainly do not need the UN's permission for anything, we have a Constitution that says so. If the gargoyle was threatening imminent disaster and this country felt truly threatened it would be the presidents sworn duty to act. The world would applaud. Likely we join with China if we act.
This would have been my way of doing it....
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Our Constitution doesn't give us the right to execute world leaders and nuke other countries. Iran screams death to America every day, too. Nuke them? Russia is doing dangerous fly bys of our planes. Nuke em? C'mon now. Get a grip.
And China would join with us??? What makes you so sure? China is only in it for China. And since China could end this any time they want, and haven't, I think we may be getting played. China just built a man-made island chain to steal half of the South China Sea. Why help us if we are going to take that away from THEM too? Trump is getting more from China than anyone before, but I don't buy their genuine support yet.
I know this... if we start nuking people without good reason and vast support, the little guys are going to unite one day and take down the bully. I would rather be the world hero in this one. It's a matter of timing and measured level of force... like the Syria strike or the MOAB in Afghanistan. Enough solves the problem. Too much too fast and WE become the problem.
Your tripping over your own words Bow. "without good reason"
Threatening us with a nuclear attack and our intelligence showing he fully intends to do it when able is all the reason we need. Our Constitution certainly does direct our president to protect the citizens of this country. This isn't 1800, this country can be threatened from oceans away. I'm not saying we should nuke them, I'm saying it is on the table and should be. We have highly advanced tactical nuclear weapons. We can strike with extreme precision and limit fallout. 1. Cruise missile strike taking out the fat and dumb gargoyle, communications, and command and control. Agents already in place to orchestrate the transition. 2. Tactical nuclear strike killing the gargoyle and wiping out what high tech military he has. 3. Needle to the back of gargoyle's neck and a team of agents that are already in place to aid in transition.
China has much to gain by the removal of that putz. The whole world does. He will not see another year of life. He possibly does not have another month.
Once a missle leaves the airspace and surrounding border waters of NOKO, it is no longer their property. Start shooting them down...
We can shoot them down, but not with 100% assurance. It may only take 1 that gets away that matters, and they will continue to improve their missiles. North Korea also has a growing submarine fleet. Most of them are outdated junk, but not all. Rumors that they are not only developing but both purchasing and building more advanced subs. They can park right off the coast of California.
The answer is not to involve ourselves with a conventional war with them land or sea. He himself must be taken out and a new regime installed. A controllable one.
Shoot down the test missiles with prejudice...
Shoot down the test missiles, not that we can get all of them. They are reportedly close to testing a nuclear missile over the ocean. The government might, but you and I don't know how many warheads they may have. We can not let it get to that point. He himself must be taken out. One way, or another.
One of our military people said we have six minutes to take out a missile with 100% probability. When the second stage kicks in it gets harder to hit. They could easily be taken out on the launch pad but that would cause all kinds of legal problems.
It has been said if we or another nation shoot down NK's "test" missiles, that in itself would be an act of war, plus it would also let the dog eater know what capabilities we and others have
Shooting down one of their practice missiles is the last thing we want to be doing. China and Russia would use this situation to analyze our technology in doing so and take that information to make changes in their missile programs so that we would not be able to shoot down one of theirs. This has been openly discussed by many retired military leaders. Truth be told their is no sensible military option.
exactly correct there is no sensible military option. And the psycho has said that if we shoot down a missile, the next one would be shot at S Korea or Japan. we can only shoot down so many before one falls. One loaded missile falls on Japan or SK and its hundreds of thousands, if not millions dead. How would that look on the world stage? The curtain will have been pulled back on our military capability, our military decision making and on the commander in chief. Nothing good comes from a military option.
You say nothing good comes from a military option? Then you are surrendering and bowing...Let me guess, you one of OBOZO the America hating race pimps blind and dumb sheep? To say that you are giving North Korea the legitimacy they need, and the option to continue their nuclear program. Which they WILL use.
A military option should only be used if necessary. It may be necessary. The removal of the gargoyle is a great outcome. A military option can be a GREAT option. You can bet they have multiple plans on the table and ready to implement. Slick Willy started North Korea off with their nuclear program. Way past time we end it.
Oh, it's going to end. I have little doubt about it. There is no better duo than Trump and Mattis to ensure that it does! I don't see them kicking the can down the road like the last 3 Presidents....
The only question is who strikes first. Because no matter which, the subsequent counter strikes are going to be devastating. From what I have read, all of our war gaming scenarios have shown minimum 250k dead at best. Likely a million.
The only wildcard is China. The only non-war I see is if they REALLY get the mesage we are going in totally, including nuclear if necessary, they might be persuaded to take Kim down themselves to avoid nuclear fallout drifting into their territory or the wave of refugees pouring across their border. Because it seems China will only get involved (really involved) as a last resort to protect their OWN interests. They don't give two shiiits about Kim or ours.
We can not attack him if there are going to be counter strikes. That is why we can not do it conventionally except maybe by cruise missile, but then only if we know we will kill him and take out his communications and command and control. That would likely have to be done by EMP and multiple and very precise cruise hits. We may need additional intelligence from China in terms of being 100% sure we kill him. Agents already in place would then seize control to aid the transition. Of my 3 scenarios I see this one the most likely to fail. China is at the point where they have much to gain from the removal of this uncontrollable tyrant. They would likely need to aid us with scenario 3. We need no help from anyone with scenario 2.
Plausible Deniability, Let him launch Shoot at his rocket with a nuc rocket and miss hitting Pyongyang. Only a fool will allow Rocket Boy shoot at us with a nuc first. We better pray that Democrats do not somehow force Trump to stand down. This thing is past being a national security issue and is too dangerous to accept anything less that complete disarmament of NK or complete destruction. NOW!!!!!!!!! ( Unless we know that he already has planted weapons in the US or allies.) If so , Obama has already made us hostages./ God bless, Steve