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If you noticed the Flynn thing was all the lame stream media talked about yesterday. Actually the crime that was committed was unmasking Flynn's name. That is under investigation and is a felony. He lied but that is small potatoes compared to the unmasking of his name. Probably the reason all this hit the fan was because it looked like the Senate was going to pass the tax bill, which they did. The newspapers and media didn't want to show Trump had a victory so they jumped all over the Flynn story.
Right. Or maybe, just maybe, the Flynn thing is kind of a big deal and the Senate hadn’t passed anything yet. The headline on EVERY MSM website this morning is the tax bill passing overnight, not the Flynn story.
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Right. Or maybe, just maybe, the news turned back to the tax bill when much of the the Flynn/Trump/collusion hysteria and celebration was proven to be false, and had to be retracted.
"ABC News Corrects Bombshell Flynn Report"
"The initial report, based on one anonymous source, prompted a dramatic reaction in the financial markets, and the Dow fell more than 350 points.
Stocks largely recovered later in the day."
Maybe, just maybe...
So far, the left getting their hopes up that their might be a crime with Trump and Russia is looking sillier than the right does when they get hopeful that the Clintons get nailed for actual crimes.
So far, neither looks like a good bet.
Flynn was fired for lying to the VP. Now he is being charged for lying to the FBI. Why would anyone believe anything he says?
Really a sad story seeing as how he served in the Army for 20+ years and was considered a stellar soldier.
I'm so tired of hearing about the Russia collusion thing. It's become a false hope for the Dems to the point of ridiculous. Trump is not going anywhere CF libs, learn to accept it.
Nah......let them not. I like seeing exploding heads all over the place.
Mueller has the libs holding their breaths and that sound you hear is them dropping to the floor, face flushed in blue one by one gasping for air. Saying the name "Trump" aloud for no reason what so ever to these incredibly demented people drives Valium stock to the roof.
Just wondering, did you all get your rose colored glasses on sale or did you have to pay full price for them?
LMAO! The Democrats have a monopoly on rose colored glasses! Just keep wearing 'em.........
Flynn is a lifelong democrat. So of course he has to overcome being a liar. He still has a lot of work ahead of him......
Mueller can't use Flynn as a witness since since he had lied to the FBI, who would believe him. Actually what he did was perfectly legal. He was allowed, by law, to talk to anyone he wanted but fibbing about it is what got him in trouble.
I know this. The man sitting in that Supreme Court is the direct result of Donald Trump becoming POTUS. We would have been surrounded by the EPA and California if that lying, conniving, felon in waiting thief had won. Roses blooming plentiful enough for me.
"Just wondering, did you all get your rose colored glasses on sale or did you have to pay full price for them?"
Curious what RCG you are referring to? The libs tried their best to run with the Flynn story and would still be flogging that horse for days...had they not had to walk it back.
I like what Alan Dershowitz (not quite a Trump fan) said about Flynn's credibility right now.
" “He’s trying to save his son. He’s trying to save himself. He’ll say anything. He’ll not only sing, he'll compose and create evidence if he has to do that in order to get a deal."
I kinda enjoy watching 'theist and LHM piss all over themselves like a overly excited pooch .... there is STILL no there there....
At first it was there’s no contact, no anything with the Russians. Now we have uncovered literally dozens of conversations with the Trump team. We have multiple indictments. We have a guilty plea. So I guess my definition of “there there” is a little different. And we’re just getting started. I spent most of the day yesterday flipping between the various news outlets, including Fox News. There wasn’t a single legal expert that I heard that characterized this as anything but bad for Trump. The only silver lining was that Flynn’s guilty plea wasn’t directly related to Trump or to collusion. But that’s not what this is about anymore. The coverup is worse than the crime in many of these cases. And the question still remains unanswered as to why so many people have lied or mischaracterized their interactions with Russians.
oh BULL CRAP.... what I have read, what has been posted here is STILL, "there is no there there" .... and remember COLLUSION ISNT A CRIME ... or have you forgotten already ... there is no there there ... PERIOD !!
Someone here (beg) should go read jack's last link on the Mueller time thread.
JTV, try to rub those two brain cells together as you read this pal Colluding to change an election is indeed a crime. Colluding to obstruct Justice. Yep a crime. If your head hurts, it’s just a thing called thinking. It’ll pass like it always does.
The only collusion shown so far was by Clinton's team and that is obvious. Mueller probably won't touch it but it is being investigated. Now won't that be something when some of the democrats get indicted. There are obvious federal crimes committed by leaks from Mueller's team, now ain't that just great. He had to fire two of the top FBI investigators when they found their e mail trashing Trump and promoting Hillary. Bet you didn't see that on MSNBC or CNN.
BREAKING: top FBI investigator for Mueller--PETER STRZOK--busted sending political text messages bashing Trump & praising Hillary during the 2016 campaign. STRZOK actually LED the Hillary email probe & recommended clearing her; then was tapped to SUPERVISE the Trump Russia probe!
But atheist keeps leaving the part out that there is NO EVIDENCE of colluding with Russia to change an election, and NO EVIDENCE of colluding with Russia to obstruct justice. Even if that type of colluding were a crime or not..... colluding didn't happen. Trump foreign policy people talked to Russian foreign policy people, as any President elect transition-team would. Its their job. If Flynn can't remember details and gets caught in entrapment based on FISA wire taps, that's on him. I just still wanna know if the fake dossier (aka democratic oppo research) was actually used to get that FISA warrant, meaning the Dems were colluding with the sitting administration and deep state to 'change an election'.
Also, there was no effect on the election from anything the Russians may or may not have done regardless of who they talked to.
'theist, the only collusion is with Clinton and the DNC and all her henchmen and Russia... your so damn dense you cant see it and refuse to acknowledge it ... what a dweeb ...
JTV, we know all all of that and thanks to social media the world should know. Why can't Devin Nunes get any help from the FBI or Justice Department? Mueller could be a hero if he turned the investigation to Lock her up on Clinton.
Why, 'cause Sessions is part of the swamp... Ive said he needs to go, he was a mistake in the first place... I realize that now ...
Mueller cant and wont go after Clinton, he is involved in the scam/scandal, as is Comey and Obama (Uranium One) .. there is a YUUUge problem in public trust of the FBI, the DOJ and the justice system in general ... esp. after the San Fran. debacle(separate issue I know..but) ... I dont trust Sessions to do the right thing against Clinton ...
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Russia Russia Russia/Nothing Nothing Nothing.........as usual
Per your article:
"If so, why plead guilty to lying? Defendants often accept plea bargains in which they admit to doing something they did not actually do, in order to avoid prosecution for something much worse that they may have done or which will be much more difficult to disprove.
Flynn may have been in trouble for a variety of things, including his possible role in an alleged plot to kidnap Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen.
The truth may only become clear over time — if ever."
I think that sums it up. He either lied, and the question becomes why he lied. Or, he's copping to lying to avoid worse charges. Either way, it's one less creature in the swamp.
The term for pleading to something you didn't do for a sentencing concession is an Alford plea. A common one is possession of cocaine, but plead down to the misdemeanor possession of a small amount of marijuana before pot was legal here.
If I'm the prosecutor, no way would I have him plead down to lying to the FBI if I wanted to use him, and if I'm defending the guy, I'd want something else on his record. Most likely reason he pled to lying to the FBI is because that's all they had.
"because thats all they had" ... EXACTLY !!
Fair enough, then why did he lie to the FBI?
Hopefully Mueller will find out.
Bk, that’s not all they had. Another charge was not registering as a foreign agent. They didn’t charge him with that as a result of his plea and for cooperating. That’s all a matter on record.
Question BK, would you ever tweet something on behalf of a client as claim to be that client. Asking because trump tweeted about knowing the extent of Flynn’s lies. After getting backlash about the troubling possibilities within that tweet, he ten said his attorney Dowd made the tweet without trump knowing. Isn’t that an offense for whichan atty can get censored or disbarred?
dont go away mad... just go away ... smh ....
Regardless of whether Trump did something wrong, the left appears to have blinders on when it comes to how to go after him. Trump has been winning consistently since the election and the left (and much of the establishment right) still hasn't paused and taken a moment to re-evaluate their approach.
I fully admit to my blinders. They are the same as yours.
Does anyone honestly think they know where this is going?
Mueller is the only one that knows. Everyone else is going to have a very clear picture by about May just before Manafort's trial is my best guess.
BK, if mueller only had Flynn for lying to the FBI, Flynn would have ridden it out. He was looking at six months per the sentencing guideline for lying to the Feebs. It was the lying plus the Turks plus whatever else we don't know about that got him to flip.
Two indictments and two convictions and Mueller has been on the job for less than a year. This is going to be entertaining as hell.
If Mueller indicts Pence, things get really weird. Do the Republicans impeach Trump and install Ryan? Is Ryan still Speaker next session if reconciliation on the tax bill doesn't happen? If Pence is indicted, the Democrats win the house, and Trump is impeached, we could end up with President Pelosi. It's gonna get weird.
Your Trump burger is going to be served on TOAST!!! The man is done stick a Fork in him!!!! We need Leadeship Again no matter what it costs!!! He will go down in Flames in History book as Felony Don!!!! Perfect!!!!
WW. That is a perfect picture of our trio mentality. FREEloader is yelling again. And lefty,,,, well who knows about that one. 8^)
The trio is crying, and whining their a$$es off. PRICELESS! 8^)
with these 3 stooges, it is fun to watch them disintegrate ...