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slade 07-Dec-17
Rocky 07-Dec-17
JTV 07-Dec-17
Bentstick81 07-Dec-17
freeglee 07-Dec-17
Bentstick81 07-Dec-17
JTV 07-Dec-17
Stalker 07-Dec-17
freeglee 07-Dec-17
sleepyhunter 07-Dec-17
bb 07-Dec-17
JTV 07-Dec-17
kentuckbowhnter 07-Dec-17
'Ike' (Phone) 08-Dec-17
Spike Bull 08-Dec-17
Owl 08-Dec-17
Trax 08-Dec-17
bad karma 08-Dec-17
Trax 08-Dec-17
Rocky 08-Dec-17
Bentstick81 08-Dec-17
Bentstick81 08-Dec-17
TD 08-Dec-17
elkmtngear 08-Dec-17
Trax 08-Dec-17
Bowfreak 08-Dec-17
Sixby 08-Dec-17
Trax 08-Dec-17
gadan 08-Dec-17
Spike Bull 08-Dec-17
Rocky 08-Dec-17
sleepyhunter 08-Dec-17
Trax 08-Dec-17
Rocky 08-Dec-17
K Cummings 09-Dec-17
Owl 09-Dec-17
Owl 09-Dec-17
Rocky 09-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 09-Dec-17
Mike in CT 09-Dec-17
Bowfreak 09-Dec-17
BIG BEAR 09-Dec-17
Rocky 09-Dec-17
Trax 09-Dec-17
Bentstick81 09-Dec-17
K Cummings 09-Dec-17
Owl 09-Dec-17
TGbow 09-Dec-17
BowSniper 09-Dec-17
Woods Walker 09-Dec-17
sportoutfitter 09-Dec-17
slade 21-Dec-17
Thumper 22-Dec-17
slade 24-Dec-17
TGbow 24-Dec-17
gflight 27-Dec-17
Sixby 27-Dec-17
JTV 27-Dec-17
TGbow 27-Dec-17
WV Mountaineer 27-Dec-17
From: slade
07-Dec-17

slade's Link
Well well well, the Nevertrumpers and Seven Montain Nationalists are eating crow, will Josuaha and the rightiouis better-than Cf'ers man up?

From: Rocky
07-Dec-17
slade, Donald Trump won and I believe many on the CF are now happy that he did. You must admit he did pull a rabbit out of a hat. No need to conjure up heated sentiments once again although Josh was mentally disturbed as are some newly crowned members like atheists and his ilk. I also wholeheartidly believe that josh is still here BTW. :-)

From: JTV
07-Dec-17
yea, he just posts under another name/handle...

From: Bentstick81
07-Dec-17
josh, atheist, and the other two are exactly alike. The FRAUDS and PHONY'S always run away, for a few days, then come back and try and spew stupid $hit. Dead give away, on being a PHONY, and FRAUD.

From: freeglee
07-Dec-17
Hay Bentsuck Speak for Yourselfs!!!!

You Phony Fraud!!!!!!!!

From: Bentstick81
07-Dec-17
Gotta love it when one of the dumba$$es come on here, and prove my point. 8^)))

From: JTV
07-Dec-17
Freefruity is always good for a laugh .... what a maroon ....

From: Stalker
07-Dec-17
Yup. Kids sure do say the darndest things!

From: freeglee
07-Dec-17
FU F all U F Your agenda F your People F your Plan!!!!

Maga My Assssss!!!!!

From: sleepyhunter
07-Dec-17
""FU F all U F Your agenda F your People F your Plan!!!! Maga My Assssss!!!!!""

LOL. Freegay is getting rough. Lookout guys run for cover.

From: bb
07-Dec-17
Congratulations on expanding your vocabulary

From: JTV
07-Dec-17
thats what happens when he/she/it drinks to many Sasparillas ..

07-Dec-17
pretty soon nobody will bake a cake for freegreed.

08-Dec-17
You’re always ‘free’ to leave...The country while you’re at it! :-)

08-Dec-17
Hahahahaaaa!

What a simple minded little dweeb you are, Freefloater!

From: Owl
08-Dec-17
What's done is done but josh was a contributor and sober conservative voice. His absence is nothing to mock.

From: Trax
08-Dec-17
I ask again, is freegay an 8 year old with a learning disability or is he/she adult and mentally retarded? We are still waiting for this moron to string together a complete and sensible sentence. I mean freegay gives blind dumb sheep liberals a bad name.

josh left because he could not admit he was wrong. Ego problem. josh supported Teddy Cruz as I did, and I'd bet Cruz would not have accomplished so much good in so little time. That's because Cruz would have been playing Party politics, which Trump has no time for. Just one more plus that President Trump has. Truly amazing how much good President Trump has done in less than one year. IMAGINE another 7 years!

From: bad karma
08-Dec-17
I agree with Owl. Joshua had some good things to say here. A lot of what he didn't like about Trump was true which distinguishes him from the Bowsite trolls like "atheist" and "freeglee," both of which are simply dishonestly throwing crap from the other side of the fence.

From: Trax
08-Dec-17
His absence may be nothing to mock. His denial of reality in terms of President Trump are. He would not win the nomination, could not win the general election, and would rule just as Hilda would. Dead wrong on every count. I had misgivings about Trump during the primary too, and it's obvious I was wrong and I've admitted so. Although I did support Trump fully once he won the nomination. josh just could not bring himself to do it.....a blind never Trumper whose own ego he finds more important than the country.

From: Rocky
08-Dec-17
We all have a opinion. His (josh) absence should be celebrated. His view of politics was a wandering one way street replete with pot holes and ditches of which his wheels had ingeniously to seem attract. His every move was to derail Trump at all costs to the ends of a Clinton victory. Are there CFers here who agree with that assessment today? If not forget the flowers and kisses and let him be IMO.

The Rock........ Outside of his political bent and bent it was, I can not and will not comment.

From: Bentstick81
08-Dec-17
Exactly Trax. Also, must include that josh bragged about how he was going to rip at people who voted, and backed Trump. People went back at him. His way was above everybody else's, until his way of predicting things didn't happen. His mouth over road his a$$. He came on here, just to get back at people who voted for Trump, he should've been smarter than that. He wasn't trying to debate anything, just wanted to push people. It's like going to a Chevy thread, and post about your Ford, and telling the Chevy owners how stupid they are to own one. That wouldn't have went well, so why do it? Live and learn.

From: Bentstick81
08-Dec-17
Exactly Trax. Also, must include that josh bragged about how he was going to rip at people who voted, and backed Trump. People went back at him. His way was above everybody else's, until his way of predicting things didn't happen. His mouth over road his a$$. He came on here, just to get back at people who voted for Trump, he should've been smarter than that. He wasn't trying to debate anything, just wanted to push people. It's like going to a Chevy thread, and post about your Ford, and telling the Chevy owners how stupid they are to own one. That wouldn't have went well, so why do it? Live and learn.

From: TD
08-Dec-17
What owl and bk said. Some cannot stand to have their positions and judgement questioned. Josh has been a contributor here for a good many years, far longer than most others. Some who basically use derogatory remarks and insults to bully people. Things they would never say to another's face.

He was wrong about many things. That actually puts him right in good company with most folks here on many things.

From: elkmtngear
08-Dec-17
I really feel that folks like Josh, were personally scarred by Trump's campaign. Everything they thought they knew, came crashing down around them. There are still those that re-appear here after every move Trump makes that can be considered "non Conservative"...like they are eagerly waiting for that "I told you so" moment, Day after Day. Crow will never be on the menu for them, it's really sort of sad.

From: Trax
08-Dec-17
josh was that very person for a while elk until he had to realize just how conservative and righteous President Trump was in terms of the direction he was leading. josh was poking Trump at every turn and then told us, to quote, "YOU. WERE. WARNED." As if he the all knowing josh was taking claim to President Trump's downfall for we conservatives. But then the exact opposite happened, President Trump continued to score hit after hit for we the people and for conservatism. THAT is when josh disappeared. He no longer could claim to be right, he and his cult were clearly wrong. His ego would never allow him to admit that fact.

From: Bowfreak
08-Dec-17
Did josh make a public exit or did he just disappear?

I always enjoyed josh and thought he was intelligent and had a lot to offer. I do believe that Trump drove him off the rail for some reason. So much so that his disdain for Trump made me question what his real beliefs were. I thought he was a conservative but I think he was actually an establishment conservative and even when Trump did some conservative things he just couldn't stomach it coming from an outsider.

From: Sixby
08-Dec-17
To anyone interested in a different and revealing perspective of the time we are in and huge revelation on Trump vs Clinton read a book by johnathan Kahn called the Paradigm. It will be one of the most interesting books you have ever read.

God bless, Steve

From: Trax
08-Dec-17
jsoh stood by his belief until he couldn't anymore, and that is when he left. He told us Trump could not win the nomination and he was wrong. He then told us Trump could not win the election and he was wrong. But then he continued to tell us Trump was just like Hilda, even as President Trump was scoring for America and conservatism time and time again. It came to a point that even josh couldn't deny he was 100% wrong. That's when he left. Couldn't face it. He so desperately wanted Trump to be a liberal so he could claim how he and his cult were right. They were dead wrong on every count. In his first 10 months the most conservative president in modern times according to the ACU. More so than Reagan, and not nearly the Party establishment guy Reagan was.

From: gadan
08-Dec-17
Great move, Mr. Trump! I personally miss Josh. He was a good man and still in, no doubt. Just because someone is wrong on an issue, doesn't make them any less a person.

08-Dec-17
For years Josh and I saw many things exactly the same way, however, I came to the table with a dislike of Trump and was won over, Josh never considered Trump to have any value whatsoever. As soon as he realized I was giving Trump a fair shot Josh despised me and treated me, and many others, very badly.

I believe gadan is right, Josh is a good man but was completely overwhelmed by his own TDS.

From: Rocky
08-Dec-17
gadan, Being wrong on a issue is excusable. Touting the destruction of America as we know it because that may be your belief is executionable. His hope and fevered rantings was for a single purpose: Trump to lose, and it matters not your emotions, paving the way for that whore bitch whose intention was to make America a wasteland impacting my children and grandchildren for a lifetime. That is not going to happen not while I am still breathing no matter who the culprit would be. The fire and arge I hold for such people who knew what they were proposing and what their hopeful outcome would fate America and bring forth, will never ember. Ever. The Rock

From: sleepyhunter
08-Dec-17
At first I wanted Cruz to be the man for the GOP. It didn't work out. Trump got the nomination and that was it. I never really engaged wth Josh that much. I'm sure he's a good person. He simply didn't accept Trump and wouldn't change his mind.

From: Trax
08-Dec-17
I won't give josh a pass that easy. It's not that he wouldn't accept Trump, it's that josh wouldn't accept the truth. He could not accept reality. Josh proved that he wasn't about honesty and truth, he was about ego. He would not admit he and his cult were wrong. Once President Trump was clearly doing great things for America and great things for conservatism josh just left. Ran away instead of just admitting he was wrong and embracing the truth.

From: Rocky
08-Dec-17
A good person? Someone explain how a person who was content to have Hillary Clinton become president is a good person. The values that they were willing to accept while soap boxing their own disguised values of conservatism when they had a choice.

Where would you be today if Hillary Clinton and josh had their way if she had won?

The Rock

From: K Cummings
09-Dec-17
"What's done is done but josh was a contributor and sober conservative voice. His absence is nothing to mock."

I agree Owl. Josh and I had a number of disagreements, some heated, mostly relating to Trump. Even so, I respected most of his opinions, even if I didn't agree, because they were well thought out, and intelligently expressed. In my opinion, some of those who mock him in his absence could not compete with him directly so this is their way of getting back.

At the end of the day, the "never Trumpers" and what I call the "all in-all the time" crowd are actually cut from the same cloth. They are married to a specific narrative and they will never deviate from it even if the facts show otherwise. Agree with him or not, Josh made others think, he made them support their positions, and he was very good at exposing those who couldn't or wouldn't do either.

I don't know where Josh went, but I hope he and his are all ok and that he returns.

KPC

From: Owl
09-Dec-17
Anyone who does not comprehend how candidate Trump could be reasonably evaluated a bad risk lacks rudimentary understanding. Anyone who will not now fairly evaluate Trump's decisions lacks a heart for correction. Both are a fool's folly. Either way, stop sowing seeds of discontent, enmity and strife. It serves no purpose except to destroy and is like acid on the character of the sower.

The fact that joshua is no longer active here is a failure on his part and on those whom engaged in rank provocation. And, believe me, it was a 2 way street. However, the absence of a good man is like darkness and darkness serves as both agent of and monument to evil. There is no couching or qualifying that. It just is.

From: Owl
09-Dec-17
KPC, we must have submitted simultaneously. I agree that there very similar traits in the opposing viewpoints.

From: Rocky
09-Dec-17
One should examine their own intelligence level if they were impressed with josh being their barometer. Then again those making those statement may very well have their own very thin baseline, viewed through decades old coke bottles. Opposing view points are initiated for a debate or argument and all can be forgiven. Handing the killer the bullets for the gun with intent attaches you party to the crime of which debate and viewpoints are out of the question. Time may heal all wounds but for all time never would have healed the wound if josh had his convoluted way. Kid yourselves for the sake of..ahem...argument

The Rock

From: NvaGvUp
09-Dec-17
jousuaf is not here and he is in no way a fraud.

Just because someone disagrees with you in no way makes them a fraud, nor a liar. It just means they disagree with you.

He dislikes Trump, obviously, but mainly because he doesn't believe Trump is a conservative, and he's right on that.

Trump has certainly done some conservative things, esp. with his court appointments. That said, I don't think Trump has a political philosophy. From my perspective, he's more of a pragmatist than anything.

From: Mike in CT
09-Dec-17
Stating that one respects a contrarian point of view in now way denotes any elevation to a position of import; not as a yardstick, barometer or whatever unit of measure one wishes to create the false dichotomy for.

Respecting another point of view is merely an act that those secure enough in their own convictions have no hesitancy in conveying when and where applicable; it's called honest engagement and it's an endangered species in some parts if some of the running commentary is an illustration of prevailing thought.

The continued need to devalue those who posit along those lines also underscores a fundamental inability to accept differing viewpoints unfiltered; it seems the need to attach a motive, often a lowest-common denominator type is a necessary vehicle to give legitimacy to less than honorable treatment of those who dissent from "the herd."

That type of comportment reflects poorly on the purveyors, not on the target du jour.

Josh remains a good man and a valued voice of reason. For those who feel some form of apology should be offered for being of that mind I would humbly state; "don't hold your breath."

From: Bowfreak
09-Dec-17
The thing is we can call Trump whatever we want but when rubber meets the road he has knocked it out of the park on many things. Yes...we all wish he didn't have rabbit ears and he has many other faults but it is hard to imagine anyone else spearheading a quicker turnaround from the Obama destruction than what Trump has done.

I didn't support Trump in the beginning but he has been nothing short of great since in office. He has balls and is not beholden to anyone. There is literally a handful of people who would have recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital. The rest of the hand wringers are worried about offending Muslims. Like that is hard to do....

From: BIG BEAR
09-Dec-17
Yeah... what Mike said...

From: Rocky
09-Dec-17
This is not about walking counter to the "herd", which the truth be told Donald Trump could have ever been construed as a member of the "herd" including the groundswell of mockery right there on this site. This site was the "herd" and most reveled in it mocking those who supported Donald Trump. Now miraculously people want it both ways to soften their own fall. He was a good man? He was a scumbag labeled for his singular position, the same position by those who would have doomed our fate. Where is the good? Then it would follow that Hillary Clinton is a good woman and Bill Clinton is also a good man. They undoubtedly possess some "good" qualities which would them make them "good"? In that case he is in "good" company.

Donald Trump has presented himself, regardless of this populists B.S as a conservative. He fights the left and mocks them as recently as last nights rally, calls out fake news and wants to dismantle all things liberal. Those who can not see that may very well be the root of our problems. What the fuq do want from the man? You should call CNN for a interview they will welcome you with open arms. Now we are back to Donald Trump as the only topic here questioning his position and supporting the position of one bent on destroying him but who was "a good a man".

What a fuqn joke.

The Rock

From: Trax
09-Dec-17
"but mainly because he doesn't believe Trump is a conservative, and he's right on that. "

No, if you judge President Trump by what he has done josh is dead wrong on that and so are you. Teddy Cruz would not have been any more conservative, and I believe would not have been able to accomplish as much in so little time. The ACU says Trump is the most conservative ruling president in modern times, much more so than Ronald Reagan. Trump does not bow to Party establishment, that doesn't mean he hasn't ruled as a conservative.

From: Bentstick81
09-Dec-17
Yep, poor josh. He bragged about something he was going to do, to certain people, and he failed. Life goes on. Hopefully he has learned a lesson.

From: K Cummings
09-Dec-17
"Respecting another point of view is merely an act that those secure enough in their own convictions have no hesitancy in conveying when and where applicable; it's called honest engagement and it's an endangered species in some parts if some of the running commentary is an illustration of prevailing thought."

Good post Mike. Spot-on in my opinion.

KPC

From: Owl
09-Dec-17
Yup, he nailed. A"'Mike' drop." :)

From: TGbow
09-Dec-17
I dont describe myself as a conservative anymore because I thought conservative meant conserving the Constitution. We've had very few presidents, imo, that were strong on the constitution. The more I study history the more I realize it's been a battle from the very beginning. It just took off at a rapid pace at the end of WW1. I believe Libertarian better describes what I believe. Though some mistake Anarchism with Libertarianism. Both political parties have done a good job at chipping away at our rights. Bush did a good job with the Patriot Act and we all know Obummer did enough harm to last us a life time. I voted for Trump, hoping he would be different than the Republicrats which are also for big government, disquised in a different package. Alexander Hamilton was the Big government guy ofbhis day, and Jefferson saw the damage that would come from Hamilton's dream. I hope Trump will stray from the political machine in DC. Abandon the likes of Mitch MCconnel and others. I'm totally against Liberal Socialist types but remember some of the most Liberal judges we've had were appointed by Republicans.

From: BowSniper
09-Dec-17
Before anyone comes to miss young Joshua, remember how many times he would endlessly pontificate over some political position or election result... and how horribly and demonstrably wrong he would be. But he would never admit it. Not even a little. He would dodge and wordsmith every nuance in a desperate phony attempt to claim he was not wrong. THAT is not admirable, and THAT is not "honest engagement".... not in the least.

Remember the arguments when he said he would not vote for Hillary or Trump, and we pointed out that such a vacuous position was in essence just taking your marbles and running home. Funny - cause we called that too!

From: Woods Walker
09-Dec-17
Josh is a good guy, he just let his TDS take over his life. I wish him well.

09-Dec-17
I surely didn't agree with his political views on the CF, but I've met Joshua in person. Stand up guy and he and his family couldn't have been nicer.

From: slade
21-Dec-17
This thread had nothing to do with conservatism, it was aimed at the bigoted Christian Nationalists / Seven Mountain Dominion's who truly believed their candidate was anointed by God. Those who cast their ugly sectarian judgement's upon the one candidate who has done more for Christian's then any President in recent memory. They of so little faith, still doubt the works of our Father, as though he would leave it up to them and their temple courts of pious indignation.

December 21, 2017 'He Said We Were Good': Why Trump's Message Resonates with Evangelicals By Anne-Christine Hoff

Despite Donald Trump’s sometimes boorish behavior, his approval ratings remain stubbornly high among evangelicals. According to an analysis of Pew Research surveys conducted in February and April 2017, Trump’s approval ratings are at 75% among evangelical Christians, almost twice as high as among the general populace. While some Democrats might express surprise at evangelicals’ support for a man whose extravagant lifestyle would seem to eliminate him as a conservative hero, a closer look reveals the alignment between Donald Trump’s rhetoric and the Biblical values of evangelicals.

Evangelicals are by and large a churchgoing group. According to Pew Research Center, among white evangelical Protestant registered voters interviewed in 2016, eight in ten said they attended church once a week, and 63% said they attended religious service at least once a week. While the values of evangelicals are anything but uniform, University of Stirling historian David W. Bebbington boiled the evangelical belief system down to four core ideas, what he called the “quadrilateral of priorities”:

The need to be born again; The supremacy of biblical authority; Salvation through the death and resurrection of the Son of God; Active sharing of the gospel through evangelism.

When looking at Trump’s rhetoric, for example, in his Poland speech on July 6 and his inaugural speech in January, certain patterns emerge that align closely with the Biblical worldview of Christian evangelicals.

1. You are good. You are loving. You are courageous.

In the Obama years, we commonly heard negative things said about America and Americans. We could do better on healthcare, for example. We needed to overcome our inherent racism. The lecture of Attorney General Eric Holder under the Obama administration and the attendance of representatives from the White House at the funeral of Michael Brown, for example, signaled to some the administration’s embrace of a narrative that America was guilty and in some ways, irredeemably so.

Trump’s Inaugural Address, on the other hand, asserted a very different view of Americans:

“So to all Americans, in every city near and far, small and large, from mountain to mountain, from ocean to ocean, hear these words:

You will never be ignored again.

Your voices, your hopes, and your dreams will define our American destiny. And your courage and goodness and love will forever guide us along the way.”

Trump’s simple allusion to the courage, goodness, and love of all Americans was to many evangelicals a gentle reassurance that the highest office in the land no longer viewed us as bad. Trump even went further than to simply exculpate us from guilt. He called us courageous and good and loving. Such a view is in close alignment with the evangelical view that while all humans are sinners, through Christ’s love we are redeemed and made clean no matter the color of our skin or our gender. Such a positive perception of our identity as Americans was not lost on evangelicals in no small part because they closely aligned with the Biblical view of our redeemed spirit as a result of our faith in Christ.

2. Everyone deserves redemption. (Except for Trump according to our Seven Mountain Nationalists)

In his inaugural speech, Trump continued to develop this theme that everyone deserves redemption regardless of his or her external identity. Once again, his reference to Detroit, a city nearly 85% black, and Nebraska, a state nearly 90% white, and his assertion that the children from both places are God’s children resonated powerfully with evangelicals.

“And whether a child is born in the urban sprawl of Detroit or the windswept plains of Nebraska, they look up at the same night sky; they fill their heart with the same dreams, and they are infused with the same breath of life by the same almighty Creator.”

Such a message was inclusive enough to even include Hillary Clinton’s “deplorables,” whom the once favored-to-win Democratic nominee reviled and slandered as racist, homophobic, and sexist for supporting Trump.

Some may recall that clever pundits and journalists were once skeptical that any Trump supporters actually existed. The Russian-American satirist Oleg Atbashian wrote a clever piece on this phenomenon back in March 2016 before the election called “Some of my best friends are Trump supporters.”

When the electoral map is fluid, when things are happening rapidly in real time, and when no reliable historical data exists, we rely on personal experience and anecdotal evidence. In the absence of such, the writers simply fill the gap in their knowledge with their own prejudices, similar to how medieval mapmakers marked unexplored areas with “here be dragons.”

In retrospect, it did seem that Clinton’s Democrats marked vast stretches of territory with the words “Here be dragons.” The idea that our current Commander-in-Chief thought highly of these “dragons” as worthy, righteous people garnered even more support for the president from evangelicals.

3. We are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values.

Under Obama we were often told that the United States was a secular multicultural nation where people of many different creeds and colors came together to make a rich American tapestry. Trump presented a very different image of our nation. According to him, we are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles and this foundation is at the core of our free society.

Trump asserted the historical foundations of our religiosity at a speech he gave at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia in May 2017:

“When the pilgrims landed at Plymouth, they prayed. When the Founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, they invoked our Creator four times, because in America, we don’t worship government, we worship God. That is why our elected officials put their hands on the Bible, and say, ‘so help me God’ as they take the oath of office.”

In Trump’s America, we the people have a soul and a spirit. We are good and loving people, and we have the right to defend our identity as at our core our identity is linked to our belief in a loving God.

4. America has a soul worth preserving.

Such a vision, of course, fits neatly into the worldview of evangelicals. A loving God created each one of us and gave us a soul. Trump’s Poland speech extended this theme as he projected his worldview that the West is engaged in a grand struggle between good and evil. Here Trump’s central and recurring idea of the everlasting soul of a nation rising against the Zeitgeist to assert its place and identity resurfaces.

As Mark Bauerlein wrote in his excellent analysis “We Want God,” religious Americans understood the message of Trump’s Poland speech clearly because even though some in the mainstream media presented it as being subliminally racist, “It wasn’t a dog whistle. It was an acclamation.”

Trump states, “Poland is the geographic heart of Europe, but more importantly, in the Polish people, we see the soul of Europe.”

Later, he goes on to say, “I’m here to hold Poland up as an example for those who wish to summon the courage and the will to defend our civilization.” According to Trump, our civilization is under threat and we are engaged in a battle that we don’t even realize is taking place.

“Our own fight of the West does not begin on the battlefield -- It begins with our minds, our wills, and our souls.”

In the same way that Bebbington boiled evangelical beliefs down to four core values, I would argue that the values espoused in Trump’s rhetoric can be boiled down to four main principles:

We are good people with a good history.

We are deserving of redemption;

We are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values;

We have a soul that is worth preserving.

My prediction is that as long as Trump’s message remains consistent, evangelical Americans will continue to overlook his personal and political failings and remain instead Trump’s most ardent supporters, for Trump was one of the few who said they were good when for so long they had been told they were bad.

From: Thumper
22-Dec-17
Heads are spinning from all their meds, LWL's are going nuts because of Trumps.

From: slade
24-Dec-17

From: TGbow
24-Dec-17
I can be opinionated but I don't want to walk a line that is set by any political party. Dems and Republicrats have both done a great deal of harm to our country. We all don't always agree. I think there are times I get carried away, just being honest, like when I call Obama Obummer. I have prayed for the man and his family...don't want to see any harm come to anyone but I have prayed that his policies would fail because I do think he is the worst president we've had...though I didn't care for the last 3 before Obama.

I think the leftist movement has done great harm to our nation but so has the so called conservatives...I am conservative as far as conserving the original intent of the constitution. But, the Neo conservatives have hurt our country in my opinion. I believe there is the Right Wing, Left Wing and then there is the truth. The truth dont always line up with the political parties in DC. We should be able to agree to disagree, though I can be very opinionated I hope I don' t disrespect others that post here.

From: gflight
27-Dec-17
I thought some of you were real whack jobs for supporting him. Only the ones that couldn't man up and had to censor folks did I hold any disgust for. Irritating when men become punkish because they can't debate effectively. The other stuff I consider lively debate and am often opened up to new perspectives. Shame Josh took it so personal, when he started the twitter rants like Trump does I knew he had lost it. I am pleased with what has happened post election and can stomach a little crow. As far as Trump the man I still don't like him....

From: Sixby
27-Dec-17
Are any righteous without Christ? I'm not. God uses un-righteous people to accomplish his plan and does so quite often. He sees the heart and ability. President Trump is new in Christ. But God definately put him where he is and we should aknowledge this and pray for him and for his decisions as the leader of this nation we live in and are part of. When anyone fails to aknowledge God and his perogative to use whosoever He will use then we do not have a problem with the supporters of the man God placed but with God. I have to admit that I had a great problem with aknowledging that God placed Obama ( whom I despised) as head over this nation. I could not pray for him as he is anti-Christ in every way. But i did finally understand that God was using him and that that use was to bring the world to its knees and call for repentence. Now we are on the upward swing and thank God for that. I see Josh as a man that in the flesh failed to see God/. Thats all. No judgment against Josh but seeing he was caught up and entangled in this instead of giving God his due and trust. Its a common trait and many of us have it.

God bless, Steve (Happy New Year)

From: JTV
27-Dec-17

JTV's Link
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/27/how-trump-is-rolling-back-obamas-legacy.html

From: TGbow
27-Dec-17
You're right Sixby, no leader is in office unless God allows them to be. Even Obama. Doesn't mean he approves of the leader just that he allows them to be there.

27-Dec-17
joshua is an intelligent guy. He was a person very involved in a politically driven life. The problem he possessed was just as owl said. He simply couldn't admit that as of now, most of his predictions were a 180 from what he so openly swore would be the real results of Trump.

I'm was no different than josh in the belief that Ted Cruz was the best pick for the nominee. I was no different than josh feeling apprehension when Trump won the nominee. I was no different than josh thinking the real Trump was going to be predicted by his past instead of his campaign promises. I was no different than josh when I thought the only candidate that couldn't beat Hillary was Trump. In all honesty, every single concern josh had about Trump, I did too. And, I truly believe if you are a conservative American and, you were being honest, you'd say that sums up the way most of you felt too. The only difference was, once given no other choice, Most chose to take the better of the choices we had. Most chose to be optimistic versus driven to be proven right. josh can't claim that. Which is a sign of true weakness to me.

That's the one thing that begin to truly bother me about josh. It was apparent he would have rather seen Trump be what he said so, he could be vindicated. Versus seeing him do as he has done and, be proven wrong. That's more ego than I care to accept or let slide. Because the cost would have been severe if we had gotten an established politician. Especially if it were Hillary. It's one thing to be wrong. Its entirely another to be self absorbed to the point your ego supersedes the best interests of America's future.

I hope he returns to right this worng. I doubt he will if Trump continues to do what he is doing. I can guarantee you though that he will return if Trump turns liberal. Its his personality. So, acknowledging his wit, his thought process, the fact he was right about a lot of Trump's past, the fact we had the same concerns, etc..... means little to me if he is incapable of admitting his own faults. I have enough of those people I interact with on a regular basis, that having one more to deal with is not really an attractive alternative for me. I simply feel no remorse due to his absence. Nor, do I care if he returns.

IF he ever comes back, I'm fine with that too. I just don't think that anyone who expressed himself the last three months he was here, could expect anything but the treatment he got. When he did as Spike said by turning on people that simply choose to be an optimist, I lost a lot of respect for him when he couldn't accept that. And, I lost even more when he refused to admit as things were, that he was wrong. His ego was simply too big to do so. And, I truly don't respect anyone who can't admit when they are wrong. It is the strength of human nature. Its supreme weakness. Miss him I don't as things left. His unwavering bias is just not that important to me. It was affecting everything those that miss him, claim he was. Honestly, he had become no different to me than some of the crap slingers that frequent here now.

God Bless men

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