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slade 13-Dec-17
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HDE 14-Dec-17
Mint 14-Dec-17
slade 14-Dec-17
Woods Walker 14-Dec-17
Atheist 14-Dec-17
Atheist 14-Dec-17
Bentstick81 14-Dec-17
Mike in CT 14-Dec-17
TD 14-Dec-17
foxbo 14-Dec-17
Grey Ghost 14-Dec-17
Atheist 14-Dec-17
Atheist 14-Dec-17
Bentstick81 14-Dec-17
TGbow 14-Dec-17
elkmtngear 14-Dec-17
Atheist 14-Dec-17
Bentstick81 14-Dec-17
TGbow 14-Dec-17
TD 14-Dec-17
TGbow 14-Dec-17
Atheist 15-Dec-17
BIG BEAR 15-Dec-17
TGbow 15-Dec-17
TGbow 15-Dec-17
Bentstick81 15-Dec-17
TGbow 15-Dec-17
slade 15-Dec-17
TGbow 15-Dec-17
TD 15-Dec-17
gflight 16-Dec-17
TGbow 16-Dec-17
From: slade
13-Dec-17

slade's Link
Look out bowlibs it's coming.....

Fed Says Tax Cuts Will Strengthen Economy and Fed Won’t Stand in the Way of a Trump Boom

From: slade
13-Dec-17

slade's Link
Bernie Marcus (the co-founder of Job Creators Network and the retired co-founder of The Home Depot): Average Family with Children Will Save $2-3K from GOP Tax Cut Bill

From: Coyote 65
14-Dec-17
And if Hillary had been elected she would have been working on a tax increase to "pay" for her promises.

Terry

From: Atheist
14-Dec-17
Yes! And this tax plan makes perfect sense because the wealthy business owners that will pocket more income will instinctively give it back to the workforce out of their well known corporate generosity.

How is it that the economy is great and breaking records as Trump always says, yet also suffering and failing and desperate for the relief of this tax bill? Which is it?

From: Bentstick81
14-Dec-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD.

From: Woods Walker
14-Dec-17
The taxes that are imposed on business are paid for BY THE END CONSUMER because they are a cost of producing the good/service. The more you tax a business the more YOU pay for their product. It's essentially taxing YOURSELF. But I guess this basic logic would escape someone(s) who still think they are saving an average of $2400 a year on healthcare and could keep their doctor/healthplan.

Your Obama was either a liar or an idiot, and most likely both.

From: HDE
14-Dec-17
Both.

From: Mint
14-Dec-17
I'm curious to see how they will handle the pass through entities income and how much salary an owner will have to take.

From: slade
14-Dec-17
FED Increases Rates Once Again on Trump – FED and Obama’s Massive Debt Only Things Preventing a Trump Balanced Budget

From: Woods Walker
14-Dec-17
I know. But in my spare time I teach rocks how to think, and attempting to reason with a leftist is great practice.

From: Atheist
14-Dec-17

From: Atheist
14-Dec-17
WW, what you’re claiming can’t be true. Corp tax rates have been dropping since Eisenhower. Have prices dropped? Has hiring increased? No and no. Our economy is running well, this tax plan is an effort to reward the mega rich and corporations. Call it what it is.

From: Bentstick81
14-Dec-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD.

From: Mike in CT
14-Dec-17
Jeff,

When anyone; ANYONE, argues against lowering corporate tax rates (or tax rates for that matter) and points to the Eisenhower years as "proof" that this is unnecessary they are one of two things; either the most pathetic economic illiterate every put on this world or a troll (in this case you could probably argue both apply equally).

We live in a GLOBAL (that's all of the world for the slow) economy today, this wasn't the case in the Eisenhower years.

If someone gets any dumber there should be a sign hung around their neck that reads "full sun, water daily".......

From: TD
14-Dec-17
It's the GLOBAL part they (intentionally) don't get Mike. It's having the highest corporate rate on the planet that makes US companies move to other more tax friendly countries. Many have already stated they are looking into returning if the tax rates are more competitive. That is the basis of this whole story. Intentionally ignored, does not fit the narrative.

Pull their string and all you will hear is "higher taxes!" Actually requiring jobs and more work and production of people who don't feel like it is the antithesis of their goals of income redistribution.

From: foxbo
14-Dec-17
"atheist. You are a FRAUD."

Nope. He just doesn't know his donkey from a hole in the ground.

From: Grey Ghost
14-Dec-17
The lowered corporate tax rate will be largely moot if they don't get rid of the AMT. In fact, some corporations will face a tax hike, as the current Senate bill is written.

Let's hope they it right and eliminate the AMT in the final bill.

Matt

From: Atheist
14-Dec-17
In the history of lowering Corp taxes, never. And I repeat never has it resulted in mass hiring. By contrast, it’s resulted in higher bonuses, buying back stock and off shore accounts and vacation homes. Trickle down economics is a dead horse. The only thing that spurs hiring is demand for products. Any business will tell you that. Ford has a demand for F150’s , they need to make more. Boom Hire away. Ford gets a tax break, big deal! That’s all bonus money!

From: Atheist
14-Dec-17
Corporations have $1.9 trillion sitting in bank accounts & investments. Just sitting there. The largest amount of cash on hand in history.

But if we just give them $1 trillion more in tax cuts, ONLY THEN will they'll start investing in plants & jobs. right? Ridiculous.

From: Bentstick81
14-Dec-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD. A better question would be, "Can atheist tell the truth, ever?"

From: TGbow
14-Dec-17
Common sense...if people have more money, whether rich or middle class...the economy will prosper.

There's never been a society that taxed there way to prosperity....never will happen. I'm all for paying less extortion money to the government..lol

From: elkmtngear
14-Dec-17
Obama's "Stimulus Package" Quadrupled our deficit in his first Year in Office. Let's see if this works better...

From: Atheist
14-Dec-17
The deficit exploded based on unfunded and unfounded wars in the quagmire of the Middle East. Wasted money that will strap our future for generations. And now we’re about to add to that sum. Shameful how the GOP went from “the deficit is too high!” To “sure, Mr. Trump, whatever you want mr trump, selling out our future? Ok, sir!”

From: Bentstick81
14-Dec-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD. Bull$hit ALERT!

From: TGbow
14-Dec-17
The middleeast is a quagmire. We dont need to be policing the world.

From: TD
14-Dec-17
" Trickle down economics is a dead horse." There is ONLY trickle down WRT economics. "Trickle up" is a liberal fantasy.... a unicorn fart.... or in most cases such as PaulZ, a bald faced knowing lie. A jobless welfare recipient is drag on the economy, an anchor.... not an economic driver to strengthen and improve an economy in any way shape or form. But do require money be extorted at gunpoint to sustain them.

Every form of government that has tried such a system has failed.... miserably so. But liberal leftists always insist "but we're smarter now.... THIS time it will work....." LOL! A couple actually believe their own BS. But most like PaulZ know it's all BS. Just like "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" and " this plan will save the average family $2500 a year...."

From: TGbow
14-Dec-17
TD, you would think people would realize that. The gov generates Zero dollars, so the only way to keep a Marxist type gov afloat is higher taxation....where does that money come from? Us, those that actually work and pay taxes.

From: Atheist
15-Dec-17
The gov generated zero dollars huh? Tell that to the govt contractors making all those weapons being sold to Saudis and Egypt etc. foolish statement.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Dec-17
Bentstick ?

From: TGbow
15-Dec-17
Atheist. where does the gov get the money to buy anything? From the money generated from tax payers. I think your statement is the foolish statement.

From: TGbow
15-Dec-17
BTW, how has the Socialist, Marxist, and Communist forms of gov worked out for countries that have adopted those forms of gov?

We have over a 100 years of history to reflect on to refer to...they haven't done very well have they?

Oh, I forgot, we just haven't had the right people in control yet. After 100 years of failed attempts you would think it would be obvious those systems don't work...like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

From: Bentstick81
15-Dec-17
atheist. You are a FRAUD. How's that BB. You two dems are exactly the same. 8^))

From: TGbow
15-Dec-17
Lol..I rest my case.

From: slade
15-Dec-17
The Obama administration spent $41.8 million to train the 54 Syrian fighters.

From: TGbow
15-Dec-17
Whats that old saying..."the problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money".

From: TD
15-Dec-17
Greece, Spain, Italy.... France is a half step behind..... all are spinning down the hole as we speak. They haven't even been socialists for all that long. but then it doesn't take long to give away money with ever lower rates of per capita production year after year.....

Socialism always works great..... right up until it runs out of other peoples money.......

From: gflight
16-Dec-17
Riots in the streets over labor reforms this past year in France comes to mind. Socialism becomes dictatorships.

From: TGbow
16-Dec-17
You could set a white dog in front of some people and they would deny that it's a white dog.

Some people are decieved in thinking Marxism, Socialism, ect will work. On the Right side of the isle you have more of a Statist mindset...gov control but in different ways. If we had a real Republic like most of the founders intended the economy wouldn't be a concern.

Even the founding fathers had the battle. Jeffersonians against the Alexander Hamiltons.

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