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MF 19-Dec-17
Jimbo 19-Dec-17
HA/KS 19-Dec-17
jjs 19-Dec-17
Woods Walker 19-Dec-17
Glunt@work 19-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
slade 20-Dec-17
MF 20-Dec-17
Grey Ghost 20-Dec-17
HDE 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
70lbdraw 20-Dec-17
Woods Walker 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
itshot 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 20-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
MF 21-Dec-17
HDE 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
bad karma 21-Dec-17
elkmtngear 21-Dec-17
Mike B 21-Dec-17
elkmtngear 21-Dec-17
HDE 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
elkmtngear 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
elkmtngear 21-Dec-17
Mike B 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
elkmtngear 21-Dec-17
Mike in CT 21-Dec-17
Bentstick81 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
itshot 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
NvaGvUp 21-Dec-17
Woods Walker 21-Dec-17
Bentstick81 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
bigeasygator 21-Dec-17
From: MF
19-Dec-17
Looking for recommendations a book for my 25 year old son. He is doing quite well in sales and has lots of ideas. Thanks and Merry Christmas!

From: Jimbo
19-Dec-17
Matt, I see you're in Pennsylvania. If your son is interested in starting his own business, I suggest having him contact the nearest Small Business Development Center. There are 18 in your state, and all are affiliated with a university. They also have a direct relationship with the U.S. Small Business Administration and the PA Department of Economic Development. They have excellent tools and people who can help him prepare a solid business plan. They do not charge for their management and technical services. If he wanted to attend a seminar or event they are hosting, he would have to pay for that... but it's usually not much.

From: HA/KS
19-Dec-17
Listen to Hackbow

From: jjs
19-Dec-17
SBA can be a very good resource for info, been self employed for almost 27 yrs and most start up business go under in the first 2 yrs. It is not for everyone and can be very rewarding plus challenging. At times I wish I was employed by a company where I can call in sick, vacations and weekends off, but that is the sacrifice, would rather be working myself having a bad day than be under some Jack that is having a bad day. Do your research and put a solid business plan together, that is your blue print to follow and be flexible, your creditability is number one with customer service, there is no excuse but a bad excuse, it is all your back to make it or break it..

From: Woods Walker
19-Dec-17
Asking the government how to run a business is like asking a Muslim what kind of bacon he'd recommend, or watching a chicken if you want to learn how to swim.

From: Glunt@work
19-Dec-17
Getting More

Stuart Diamond

Not about greed, its about the negotiating that we do everyday in many aspects of our life and how to increase success for everyone on either side of the table.

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17
MF, the SBDC’s are great resources for startups and entrepreneurs. As always, the CF usuals unnecessarily need to badmouth anything government related. The SBDC’s are staffed by consultants with significant start-up and entrepreneurial experience - in other words people who have started up successful companies, not 9-5 government employees - and they can help with everything from financing, certifications, marketing, to operations. It’s often times a lot better to talk to a person, particularly one that has walked the walk before, than it is to read a book. As Jimbo pointed out, they're services are free, so it’ll cost less to go this route than it would to buy any of those books anybody has recommended. If it doesn’t work out, your son will be out all of nothing.

The link above is to the New Orleans office, which I am familiar with. You can click on the team members and read about the type of people whose knowledge and experience you can leverage. The SBDC offices have established relationships with strategic partners like local and national banks that are willing to provide capital and other resources for start ups and entrepreneurs. I know this because my wife’s company is a locally owned moving company that has leveraged these kinds services and this kind of network. It has brought them partnerships with banks and has also connected them to new clients.

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17

bigeasygator's Link
Forgot to attach the link to the SBDC New Orleans page, just for reference.

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17

bigeasygator's Link
Lastly, MF, here’s an article from the local paper that my wife’s company put on their webpage describing what they got out of these services and what it did for their company.

From: slade
20-Dec-17
Read Tom Peters " Excellence" series. Druker, Jack Welch etc..

From: MF
20-Dec-17
Thanks all. He is not looking to start a business just yet. He is pretty happy with his present job but as a I said he is full of ideas so I thought I'd pick up a few books for Christmas.

From: Grey Ghost
20-Dec-17
My advice is to never ask for business/financial advice on a bowhunting forum.

Matt

From: HDE
20-Dec-17
A SBDC itself really has nothing to do with a successful business. A successful business, first, has everything to do with it addressing what is called an "industry pain", or selling a product/service that is needed-that and hard work and dedication.

There are a lot of good ideas out there, not all of them are a good business. To start a business you need to have some savings tucked away to live on for a few months and be willing to take that leap of faith we often call risk.

The first place to start is to write a good and comprehensive business plan. That is the keystone to govern the success of starting, running, and growing a business. An investor will tell you that.

An SBDC is just a tool and food for thought, like the many listed books to read.

Edit: and an SBDC is just that, a forum...

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17
You’re right, HDE. Nobody is suggesting that interfacing with an SBDC or similar resource is a replacement for a solid idea. As you said, you will need to come in prepared when engaging a council like that. That said, they can help you with the appropriate planning necessary once you do have a solid idea.

When the OPs son is ready (and based on the follow up, he’s not ready) they can be a great resource. Books are great. I’ve read lots of them. They can provide great steer, provide great frameworks, and layout a successful blueprint to get a company going. That said, books don’t have connections at banks, or to the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Business program. Books can tell you what needs to go into a business plan, but they won’t necessarily point you to sources for the data that needs to go into that plan. You get the idea.

They’re all just tools in the toolkit.

From: 70lbdraw
20-Dec-17
DON'T GO INTO A PARTNERSHIP!! He'll be much happier being his own "owner".

From: Woods Walker
20-Dec-17
But if you do, go into partnership with family!......................NOT!!!!!

Or go into one with a friend, but just make sure you have other friends because you won't have that one for long.

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17
Lol. Take off the blinders bud. Not everyone that works for the government is stupid and not every government program is bad. The only thing that is hilarious is your ignorance and your know it all attitude when speaking from a position of zero experience as it relates to these programs.

The SBDC consultants are typically individuals who ARE retired or consult on a part time basis while continuing to run their own companies. This is not their full time job. Believe it or not, there are people in the world who are successful and do like giving back and are happy to contribute to these government funded efforts to grow small businesses.

Again, my wife’s company has grown from 9 to 40 people and has increased their revenues by 500% by leveraging the expertise and network these programs provide. Are they responsible for all of it? No. But I know for a fact they wouldn’t be near the company they are without the support of these programs.

These are all good things - that is unless you are against jobs and economic growth.

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17
Who said anyone isn’t thankful or appreciative of these services??? I know they are. And again, it’s not a matter of whether they need it or not. It’s just a smart business decision to leverage a free resource that clearly has made a positive impact on her company and the community.

On the flip side many of us tax payers just take comfort in knowing we made a positive impact on someone’s life, but I guess there’s those of us in the world that need a little more recognition. PM me your address and I’ll make sure you get a personalized thank you card for the fraction of the .01% of your taxes that went to the SBA and found their way to New Orleans to help my wife’s company out!

From: itshot
20-Dec-17
a book, the gentleman asked for a book...not an update or tune-up on what the govt can do for you

stow it

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17
Hackbow, I don’t know who stole your candy when you were a kid but it’s time to move on and let it go. You might want to find another poster child than my family when it comes to Wellfare abuse and work ethic, which you seem not to miss an opportunity to weigh in on. I can promise you the three months of food stamps my family used as a stop gap (while also working) has been more than paid off, both in the 10 years of military service my dad went on to complete and in the millions of tax dollars my parents and I have paid back into the pot. And if you’re concerned about my parents work ethic because they took a handout from the government for a few months while trying to stay on their feet, you don’t have to worry. I’m sure we could all learn a few things from my parents when it comes to hard work as my dad worked two night jobs and completed college during those ten years of service to our country, leaving my mom to largely look after me and my brother pretty much solo while also finishing up her college degree. Hardly the easy route. So, if you’re trying to make a point as to what a drain on society safety nets are, you’ll want to find another example cause you’re failing miserably.

But look, you seem really butthurt so I’ll make you the same deal. I’ll be more than happy to pay back the money my parents “stole” from you (even though they actually received it from the government legally, but I’ll ignore that technicality cause you seem real sensitive to this particular situation). Just let me know where to send the penny (see, I even added interest and rounded up for you) and we can call it even. Cool? If anyone else wants their penny back as well, let me know. Just PM me your address!

From: bigeasygator
20-Dec-17
Sorry MF, I know this thread has been taken waaay off the rails, but there have been some great recommendations in the posts that came in before it did.

No, Hack, you didn’t reference them on this thread, but you did yesterday, and in the past, with a similar mischaracterization of my political viewpoints. With respect to welfare I’ve never said their use of it was laudable. I said it got them through a difficult point. I know talking to them they wanted nothing more in life than to get off it, which they worked hard and fast to do. What was laudable was that they pulled themselves up.

At the end of the day, I don’t get to personally say how big or small the government footprint is, and, as a taxpayer (and someone who pays a lot of them) I damn sure am not going to feel guilty leveraging it for all that I can. Is the government going to utilize and allocate resources more efficiently than the free market would? Hell no. But that ideological reality won’t stop me from collecting Social Security one day because it was a less efficient use of my money. From an economic standpoint, not using something you paid for is pretty dumb. There’s no intellectual dishonesty there. There’s a vision of how I’d like things to be and a realization of how things are. I’m not going to let the fictitious, fairytale world of a smaller government footprint that I’d like to see shape how I act in the world that actually exists. I’m also not so ignorant to think that these government programs don’t provide any value just because they’re government programs. They are often very valuable to the people that use them. Again, I’m not going to fault anyone for using something the government is making available to them.

Lastly, the world I’d prefer is one with a market free from the many mangled rules and regulations that pollute the American economy to the detriment of innovators and start-ups and to the corporations that serve as the lifeblood of the economy. This is not to say that all regulations are bad, only that most of them are and we could (and should) have a less invasive state when it comes to economic freedom.

To this free economy I have no problem coupling a welfare state and a smart redistributive apparatus so that nobody falls through the cracks. As I’ve experienced and as I’ve seen, these safety nets can bolster innovation and risk-taking in entrepreneurs and other workers and creative people by freeing them from dependence on their employer and the risk of economic catastrophe should tragedy or unexpected hardship befall them.

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
If you’re telling me you don’t leverage and benefit from the government at all I’m telling you you’re full of sh*t. I’m telling you if you’re not doing it to the greatest degree you can then you’re just not very clever (you’re also not very rational as a rational actor looks to maximize their utility - something every free market proponent should understand and support). It has nothing to do with the hard work being done by the collective and has everything to do with maximizing what is an involuntary investment. The collective is not looking for credit (though clearly some on here are). Lastly, we’re all reliant on or indebted to somebody whether we like to admit it (or realize it) or not.

From: MF
21-Dec-17
Actually, this has been rather enlightening. I was thinking along the same lines as Pigdoc, why would a successful entrepreneur work for a gov. agency, but I guess they could consult.

From: HDE
21-Dec-17
I took a course for my second degree titled "Entrepreneurship - Starting A Business" and took a lot of valuable info away from it.

Why? Because it was taught by a guy who had started several successful businesses with case studies of those who had also started successful multi-million dollar businesses. Half the final grade was writing a full and comprehensive business plan (mine was an expansion of an already successful business I am part of).

Bottom line - if you want to start and run a successful business, seek the knowledge of those who have already trudged that path, as mentioned, find a mentor.

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
Lol. I’m probably one of the only people here that is a registered Libertarian, which is by far the party of freedom. Doesn’t mean I agree with every plank in the platform but I agree with it far more than the Dems and the Pubs. So when it comes to actually reducing government footprint and voting for freedom and liberty, unless you’re voting Libertarian then the reality is I’m doing far more than you to live up to the ideals of this country’s founders. Again, until a truer Libertarian government comes to be, I’m going to look to maximize my personal well-being however I can and I can care less whether that utility is provided by the public or the private sector. I have zero issue with other people doing the same.

MF, here are some other books that are business/entrepreneurship related that I recommend:

“Analysis for Financial Management” by Robert C Higgins

“Brokerage and Closure - An Introduction to Social Capital” by Ron Burt

“Seven Habits of Highly Effective People” by Stephen Covey

“How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
Give up the notion of "doing it on your own" Pig Doc. Nobody has done anything on their own.

But really, I love the logic from some many on here. Taking advantage of every tax break you can and lowering your own personal tax bill is smart, whereas getting every bit of utility out of the tax dollars you pay is dumb. This is basic rational choice theory and it shouldn't surprise anyone -- that individuals tend to pursue what is in their own best interests. It's a cornerstone of capitalism and free markets (they both need people to act rationally to work efficiently). But good for you on your ideological integrity (which I say with a big eye roll as, unlike many of you, I don't dodge the fact that the government has provided benefits to me whether I wish they were there or not).

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
Congrats on being in the top .1% of the country then, Pig Doc. I took a look back the other day and this year I will have paid my millionth dollar in Federal tax since I started work out of college 15 years ago. I'm paying six figures worth of federal tax a year and will, hopefully, be working and paying even more tax for another 20 years. So if you paid more tax last year than I have or ever will in my lifetime, well, congrats!

But whatever you did to realize that level of success did not come on your own. Someone invested in you. You have benefited from programs that have preferentially favored you over others. You have leveraged tools, goods, services, and infrastructure that was paid for by others (including the government). Stop pretending like you haven't.

From: bad karma
21-Dec-17
Remember, Pig Doc, he's just arguing to make you think because he thinks you're too stupid to think for yourself without his help.

From: elkmtngear
21-Dec-17

From: Mike B
21-Dec-17
Pig Doc: "Yeah BK. Maybe the government should have a hot line I can call so I know when to take a crap. After all, isn't that what every Libertarian wants?

Careful Pig Doc...don't be giving them any ideas. I believe the crap that you crap is the only crap that is yet to be taxed.

Soon they'll be coming out with a Federally required add-on for your toilet. It'll weigh and measure your crap, and then maintain a running tab of your crap to be paid at tax time. If you don't pay it, they'll come and take away your other crap.

From: elkmtngear
21-Dec-17
"Crazy Bernie" was a self-professed "Democratic Socialist"...maybe there's a "Libertarian Socialist" among us...

From: HDE
21-Dec-17
I think everyone realizes that a successful business requires investors of some kind - yourself, others, and customers. However, gov't assistance is not a requirement. It may benefit some and some may not need it.

Being in the right place at the right time is a big help and being able to identify those times and capitalize on it is the key to success. Be pretty dumb to start a business right now selling "HRC - Madam President 2016" bumper stickers...

In the end the only question that matters is, are you willing to take the risk? That alone keeps a great many entrepreneur on the sidelines and being a company-man stooge.

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17

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MH,

"Looking for recommendations a book for my 25 year old son. He is doing quite well in sales and has lots of ideas. Thanks and Merry Christmas"

Give him 'Cowboy Ethics,' because operating at the highest level ethically is ALWAYS rewarded. People who are not ethical may benefit in the short run, but they ALWAYS get caught in the long run.

It's an easy read, but the message and the way it's all framed is phenomenal.

#9 is my favorite and the example the author gives is perfect.

Remember these two beliefs of mine:

1. If you have to ask yourself if something is ethical, you probably already know the answer and are simply trying to figure out how rationalize doing it anyway.

2. Rationlizing an unethical action does not make that action ethical.

From: elkmtngear
21-Dec-17
"Give me Just ONE example of where You achieved anything with oit Some assistance from Our Government"?

I worked my way through College, no loans, no grants, no money from parents. Worked full time graveyards, and took full-time classes in the daytime. 4 years of this.

So, there's that...

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17
Ditto what elkmngear said.

I have done a very long list of things I'm proud of DESPITE the government, not BECAUSE of government.

From: elkmtngear
21-Dec-17
I could care less what they used, and that's irrelevant...I paid them without "Government aid"...with money I made from my own sweat. That's MY achievement.

From: Mike B
21-Dec-17
Freeglee: Somewhere in your city is a very dark, long alleyway. In the middle of it is a table holding a huge box of candy and a stuffed rabbit, and it's got your name on it.

Now...go on boy...go fetch your candy.

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
elkmnt, did you got to a state school? If you went to a public university, then it sounds like you had no problem taking advantage of an education subsidized at the expense of other taxpayers. That’s the problem I have...most of you don’t even realize when you are getting a government handout. That’s not to diminish your accomplishment and hard work, as that should be commended. Just recognize that other people likely made the path easier than you realized.

From: elkmtngear
21-Dec-17
Actually BEG, if you want to get down to it, I paid in to that "arrangement" as well.

The Government subsidies do not just "fall from the sky"...they come out of the pockets of hardworking Americans.

And, a large chunk of that money goes to fund students that never lift a finger to fund their own education.

From: Mike in CT
21-Dec-17
Here's the crux of the problem as I see it with the "you didn't build that argument"; it's predicated upon an assumption (in my opinion) that it is the availability of things such as education, infrastructure, etc that dictate the outcome, i.e. ability is secondary at best to advantages in place (the already existing structure/infrastructure for example).

A poor student and a dedicated student have equal access but are destined to have unequal outcomes; one will have wasted an opportunity (and possibly taxpayer funds) while the other will likely be on a path towards success. Both had the same built-in advantages so the outcomes are predicated upon their respective abilities not equal access to the same advantages.

A poor business acumen, business model and/or inferior products, goods and services may have access to preferred infrastructure and perhaps a favorable tax situation but all the "advantages" will be moot given the realities outlined.

Someone with a solid business acumen, sound business model and high quality products, goods and services on the other hand is likely to succeed and in the process create jobs, wealth and add to the tax base.

Again, equality of access to the built-in advantages resulting in unequal outcomes is reflective of the reality that it is the acumen/skill of the individual and not the built-in advantages that determine success (or failure).

To me it's a classic "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" conundrum; ultimately it is the individual or the collection of individuals that determine success or failure; the "system" may facilitate to a degree a success but absent the "heart" (the entrepreneur(s) acumen and skill in product development) the systems contribution won't amount to anything.

From: Bentstick81
21-Dec-17
FREEloader. Are you done sucking America dry? Pig Doc hit the nail on the head. It's not the keyboard, moron. 8^)

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17
"Godam useless keyboeard"

Could there ever be a better example of liberals blaming anyone and everything besides themselves for their failures?

When I make a typo, I blame myself. When liberals do the same, they blame inanimate objects!

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
This has never been a conversation about how much anyone has paid into the “arrangement.” It’s as simple as this when answering the question of whether you had help from the government: if you went to a state school your education was subsidized. You benefitted from a government program and other taxpayers dollars, whether you care to realize it or not.

It’s really not that bad though. Look, I went to a state school on a state scholarship and paid for living expenses with a subsidized federal loan. So don’t worry, you’ll never be as bad as me!

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17
BEG,

"if you went to a state school your education was subsidized."

BZZTT!

WRONG!

If it was subsidized, it subsidized by parents, who did so by paying property taxes, sales taxes, and state income taxes, much of which went to education.

So try again, only this time, with FACTS!

From: itshot
21-Dec-17
the givernment provides nothing but hurdles to jump over, hoops to jump through and a never ending pile of poop that must be complied with (or else!) in order to claim "i built that!"

they, then, provide consultants (haha) and "navigators" to help the plebes wade through the swamp and grab some free $#!T......perfecto!

lizzie, if you have paid $1M in taxes in 15 yrs as an employee, i'm guessin your position was mandated by the giv't, thus the praise for all things anti-anti-communist

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17
"One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small. And the one that mother gives you don't do anything at all. Just ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall." ........ Grace Slick, Jefferson Airplane, 1967, Surrealistic Pillow album.

So, LHCA, which pill are you on at the moment?

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17
LHCA,

You have no clue.

None!

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
Kyle, Subsidized by parents??? What the hell are you even talking about?? I’ve paid taxes including property taxes for well over a dozen years. I may choose to never have kids. So no, government services are not just paid for by parents. They are paid for by taxpayers. Nobody is arguing that.

Where I will argue is that there are people in here who seem to suggest they haven’t benefited from government programs. I’m sorry, when your education is subsidized by the taxpayers, you’ve benefited. A state university is a state university because it is subsidized by the taxpayers - it’s the very definition of a state school. So BZZZZTTT, wrong. Try again.

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17
Speaking of azzholes, Mr. Dope Peddler, have you ever looked in the mirror?

From: NvaGvUp
21-Dec-17
LHCA,

I've done very well in my life, thank you. But I've done light years more for my fellow man than you cold ever dream of, unless, of course, you believe being a dope pusher qualifies as doing good for others.

From: Woods Walker
21-Dec-17
But it's LEGAL! Must be alright then.

From: Bentstick81
21-Dec-17
Gotta love it when our dems get pissed and rip out the a$$ of their britches. Their voice is much clearer, and louder, since the a$$, is where the voice is coming from. 8^)

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
“lizzie, if you have paid $1M in taxes in 15 yrs as an employee, i'm guessin your position was mandated by the giv't, thus the praise for all things anti-anti-communist.”

Mandated by the government? I’m an engineer and an MBA working for a publicly traded oil company (Shell, if you’ve ever heard of them). I pay a lot in taxes because I’ve done quite well personally and my company treats us very well. Nothing gov’t mandated about it. Sorry to rain on your parade.

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
“Reality is the government (and free loaders like BEG and his family) have had help from me. I won't hold my breath waiting for a thank you note.“

You’re reading comprehension is about as sound as your logic, Pig Dic. I know where government dollars come from and where at all did I say I wasn’t appreciative of taxpayers (unlike some people...aka you). Like I said, if you feel you need a personalized thank you just PM me your home address and I’ll send you one. Seriously.

Also, seeing as I know I’ve personally paid millions of dollars in taxes and it’s probably a safe bet my parents have too, I don’t know how that makes us freeloaders. But apparently you’ve got some sensitivities to this too, so if it helps you sleep at night you can call me whatever you want.

Lastly, if you personally paid $3 mln in taxes like you claimed to have done last year, then it’s probably a safe bet you’ve taken advantage of government policy or two that has given you back far more than the $300 in welfare my parents collected 38 years ago. I can tell you I have the luxury of itemizing on my taxes and am able to write off far more than most people ever would think of collecting in welfare each year.

But maybe you don’t do that though. Maybe in every single scenario you are given the government shortstick with no preferential treatment and are given no benefit. If so, you’d be the only man in the world that ever did anything without a taxpayer dollar providing you a benefit. You should write a book and tell your story. I’ll look for it in the fiction section.

From: bigeasygator
21-Dec-17
LHCA, he obviously doesn’t drive on tax payer funded roads and he must not hunt state managed wildlife because he hasn’t benefitted from a taxpayer dollar. I don’t really know how he’s posting on the internet as we likely wouldn’t be here without the government funded ARPANET, but I don’t know, he’s somehow got that figured out too. Remember, he does everything entirely on his own without any help — especially any taxpayer help!

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